Top 10 Good & Bad: 2023 GWM Tank 300
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- Top 10 Good & Bad things about the 2023 GWM Tank 300. For more info you can check out our full review here: drivingenthusiast.com.au/2024...
00:00 - Introduction (Good things)
00:14 - 10. Warranty
00:55 - 9. ANCAP safety rating
01:20 - 8. Standard features
02:15 - 7. Cabin refinement
04:19 - 6. Engine sound
05:01 - 5. On-road comfort
06:23 - 4. Off-road measurements
07:24 - 3. Off-road features
08:00 - 2. Off-road performance, 'Tank Turn'
14:47 - 1. Price
15:13 - 10. Low presence/brand reputation (Bad things)
16:22 - 9. Resale value
17:02 - 8. Boot space
19:18 - 7. Tyres
20:05 - 6. Safety technology
22:48 - 5. Handling
24:18 - 4. Fuel economy/consumption
25:14 - 3. Towing capacity
25:48 - 2. No 7 seats
26:59 - 1. Design copies Jeep?/Braking performance
2023 GWM Tank 300 Ultra specifications:
162kW (220PS) / 380Nm, 2.0-litre turbo-petrol 4-cylinder
8-speed auto transmission with RWD/4WD
Claimed 0-100km/h: N/A
Official average fuel consumption: 9.5L/100km
Boot space: N/A
Price: AU$50,990 (drive-away, at time of upload)
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Love my Tank 300, been on the Fawcett offroad trail in Perth . Just drop tyre pressures for off-road use and there is no bottoming out or anything odd. Its a great vehicle and wherever I go, it attracts a lot of positive attention. Difflocks are superb. Seats are perfect. Everything works as it should.
There is an ESP software update now, I did it last week, and the lane keeping system works very good so far.
That's great to hear.
How do you update it ?
@@143ambition done at dealer’s service centre
Is the ESP software for Haval Jolion ? Or just for Tank 300. Tx?
John Cadogan sent me to your channel. Great to see another honest motoring journalist!
Thanks!
Me too
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia Made sure to rush back from Dingo Piss Creek to watch this one.
He sent me here as well!!! to Thumbs down it!
Me as well 😊
When I was looking to buy a TANK 300 I reviewed a number of You Tube Channels of which your was one. At the end of the day I placed an order and picked up the Orange Tank last Thursday. For around $50k (for the Ultra) it's fantastic value. I had the dealer replace the standard Michelins with Pirelli A/T Scorpion+ Tyres still on the 18inc Rims as part of the deal. I'd recommend everyone does this. The All Terrains I mean, Brand is up to you.
Initial impressions, Lane assist is indeed useless and is turned off. Steering in Sport mode make feel more than adequate. Size is perfect and storage options great for 3 - 4 people. Rides very well. Handling is what you would expect and is at least on par with my traded vehicle (2019 Cherokee Trailhawk). Styling, love it. Drivetrain very smooth with more than enough power and smooth ZF 8 speed auto. Fuel consumption is high but engine takes regular 91 unleaded. It's not a tow vehicle other than perhaps a 6x4 trailer. Braking performance, fine but your comments noted. Your review is well balanced unlike the AE review IT'S RUBBISH (I Quote). John seems to have a knack for the headline grab to garner in the unsuspecting punter and his review would be more relevant if he had actually driven the car! The AE channel though is unusually entertaining so there's that! The state of Schroder's Cat is indeed an enigma wrapped in a riddle. In conclusion does the TANK meet it's design brief, for me yep it's an 8/10. (10/10 value) It's no sports car but then my 2014 Boxster S meets the brief on that score.
Thanks for your comment.
The A/T tyres make sense - it must be awesome off-road.
Need to run it in for 1 - 2k before taking off road but this thing just shouts off road ability, straight out of the box (within its design brief). I really don't see where it fails if you consider it's targeted market?
You may have just smashed a big arse nail on the head there, Michelin tyres are original equipment, I wonder what the heavy breaking test would be like with average chinese tyres on it? Could this have been a sneaky ay to get a better ANCAP rating with sticky froggy boots on the car.
What would average "Chinese Tyres" be like on a Thailand Built Dmax. Please informed comments yeah?
You can be proud of this review (actual meaningful information that you didn't shy away from _ that's what we want)
Thanks a lot. More like this to come.
Reminds me of a 70's Lada. They made a similar looking box. It would drive up the side of a mountain. But on a road terrible. You know the guy down the pub that does dodgy roadworthies. His brother must do the ANCAP ratings.
😅
the most important of any vehicle are it's contact with the road and it's braking ability. If you hit the brakes in this thing you are heading for a potential disaster, One of the reasons that it take so long to stop is because the rear tyres have lost contact with the road. Enough said. And people commenting here think that is a minor thing, I can;t believe that is acceptable at any level.
Thank John for sharing your channel. Thanks for the honest review too.
Thanks 👍
very useful info thank you so much
Great review, and it's far more enlightening than some of the other light touch reviews i have watched. How is such poor suspension tuning and braking performance not picked up in basic vehicle testing by the company or by ANCAP during safety testing.
.."".such poor suspension tuning & braking ??? Hardly ; test drove the Hybrid for 2 days on all types of roads - it was quite ok in those departments - certainly not a bad as some of these reviews make out ; at least to a 80 k plus jeep wranglers std
Awesome stuff mate, keep up the good work. I was sent here by JC!
Thanks!
Thanks for the thorough and honest review.
Thanks. Glad it was helpful.
I would rather drive an 18 year old Prado than this POS.
Here because John Cadogan told me to be. Excellent reporting.
Subbed
Excellent 👌
Best review ever.
Thanks for watching
تقرير رائع عن تانك300. شكرا
Good job. Cheers, Simon J.
well thought out video, thank you.
"putting it in 4 haaaayytch" lol - love it.
John Cadogan just promoted this video on his channel, well done Bret.
As the Tank 300, like all China designed vehicles the suspension is complete dog shit, they have yet to understand terrain out of China, anyone buying this would need to fit new springs and dampers and lasobly ball joints to AU spec.
Great review thanks, well balanced. Can you please consider the new Ineos Grenadier?
Thanks. Yep, will try and book one in for review 👍
Bringing the ❤️
Great review 👍. I was looking for a 4d suv after i sold my jimny jb74. The price of Jeep JLU sport is too pricey and beyond my budget here in dubai. Saw couple of t300s on the road and it was like love at first sight 😊. A perfect blend of Jimny & wrangler. Watched couple of reviews online, test drove n booked right away.
I’ve ordered a tank after having a 2018 navara Ute. The wheels leaving the ground are a bit concerning but at my budget I could only choose between this and an ldv d90. Thanks for the review
It’s a great package otherwise. They might provide a fix for it 👍
Given hitting the front bump stops a lot in light tacks as well, replacing the front shocks may help solve the braking with it not dipping so far down as well when braking hard. Relative cheap fix for some better safety.
i don't think the problem in the suspension system, i think they need to move the braking force to the back wheels a bit
That's what I thought.
They brought the hybrid version to México, I just saw it yesterday. I couldn't test-drive it because the official launch is two weeks away.
It looks awesome!
Credit for GWM limiting the towing capacity to 2500kg, the Prado, Pajero and similar trucks should not tow more that that, even though they are rated higher. BUT....only 400kg payload !! Forget towing your 2.5t van unless you plan to have virtually nothing inside the car apart from the driver and passenger.
The enlightened JC sent me here and I am NOW subscribed! Great review... good pick up on the emergency braking stability and yes, thirsty to be expected with that engine configuration and weight. Not sure any of us are ready for a Chinese car, but I am sure my father said the same in the 70's for a Toyota!
u r smart.As a Chinese tank owner, I can tell you that this is a car worthy of recognition. In China, the Tank 300 sells about 10,000 units every month. It has passed the test of many real car owners.
Great to see a face to the voice! Been watching your content for years. I bought a tank recently and I heard it takes time for the car to calibrate the avg fuel consumption...saying that people are reporting a avg if 10- 11L /100
Fair enough. That's more reasonable.
Thanks for finding me!
If you don't go off-road,that's ture.Or Otherwise the fuel consumption will reach 15L。@@drivingenthusiastaustralia
My fuel consumption driving carefully around town is 10/100km. Intra suburb trios can be as low as 8.6/100km
Leather dash? That won't last in Aus. Better get a windscreen shade.
Keen on the PHEV model of this. Thanks for the video. Excellent review. Subscribed.
Seems like lane-keep assist is good for the freeway sections of your trips, but not the single lane stuff.
The braking issue the only one of the negatives you raised for me. Wonder if the low weight of the PHEV will keep that from happening...
Well done nice test the tank is maybe just a sewage tank
JEEP Wrangler killer
The Michelin tires are great choice since most people just buy this for daily driving, rarely go offroad.
What about the horribly low GVM?
Will the hybrid version have solid state batteries?
I'd say the lane keep is freeway only. If it worked well on the freeway, that's something. If not, it is worthless till fixed
Thanks for a very good video. You’ll get world wide recognition for it, I am sure.
For multiple reasons I wouldn’t buy the Tank 300. The braking, or lack there of I should say, is just one but very important reason. Because, what safety item is more important than good brakes?
A brain and good eyes
I'll wait for the hybrid to come. With 254kws and 615nms...more torque than the thumping 5.6-V8 from the Nissan Patrol..
Wait for the 500.
A VERY GOOD REVIEW. GWM TAKE NOTE!
With everything being equal, you could not safely put your family in this, why does it get a 5 start ancap, when it lifts rear wheels, could you imagine doing this, trying to avoid an obstacle??
Seven year warranty, I wonder how many will be honoured in five years especially if tensions escalate.
I've seen a lot of faux Chinese leather disintegrating after five years, so I doubt this lot will last.
Next I would have loved to see if the Tank would fully MTB endo if the hard brake test was carried out down a steep hill.
faux Chinese leather disintegrating.. Mazda maztex fake leather made in china but thats ok? It's amazing how people blame china and not the person importing the stuff. My dealings with a Chinese manufacturer was me telling them what I wanted and they asked me how much I wanted to pay, gave me options on quantities and they made the best product at the price I specified, sent me the sample and I accepted it. Works pretty much the same way here in 'straya, you get what you pay for.
The rear wheels lifting under hard breaking is much worse than most people think. Super dangerous and should be recalled. And its not like this is a problem they didnt know about.
Lets take it for a rip around the NT to see if it survives or melts in the heat and UV, let alone survive the roads or lack of.
if everyone in the outback is driving old tanks in 20 years, we will know they're worthwhile. In the outback at the moment it's toyotas or nothing.
It's a great car.
I am planning to buy here in Dubai but after seeing the reviews of braking, I'm super skeptical. Do you think this issues will be addressed by GWM in the near future?
We’ve tried to get an answer from GWM but no comment so far…
I think it will, there are too many comments around the internet for them to ignore it....
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia Well, I bought a Geely Tugella instead. :)
The Key Is a tank :o I did not realize.... no reviewer has even mentioned it?
My honest opinion the whole safety part is mostly the driver who is in charge of how they drive on the road just saying
First! I think using the wrong car to compare the stats, Toyota Prado is a bigger 4wd to Tank 300. Jeep is more appropriate to Tank 300 size. Jeep is horrible in fuel consumption and handling. You can't use Jeep to compare the stats with Prado as well. Two different spec and size. Thats my opinion 😊
Fair enough. I’m simply comparing to the most popular rival according to VFACTS classification. But I agree, proper off-roaders like the Wrangler are probably a more direct rival. Thanks 👍
waiting for Tank 500, u can expect everything u needed and cost around $70,000 with PHEV
It seems like a remarkably good car...
But yeah the braking system, being the difference between life and death... Ahh.
I want a capable off-road Hybrid. That isn't fkd
I think it all boils down to price. You only compare vehicles with roughly the same price.
This SUV much better with highest value for money than Jimny
Be honest, tank 300 is just entry, the main course is tank 500 and 400 plugin hybrid, they way better and also with 3 differentials
Then that suggest they will be heavier, possibly reducing towing capacity. Wonder if it would effect fuel efficiency also.
You didn't even touch on the super low payload capacity.
① I saw the braking performance tested by the Chinese automotive media. It is almost the same as yours. When braking suddenly, the rear end almost leaves the ground. I think this will affect the friction between the rear wheel and the ground, which also leads to poor braking performance. One of the reasons is that there will also be relatively large safety risks. But considering its suspension structure, I can actually accept this problem because I personally rarely drive so extreme.
② In addition, everyone thinks that the fuel consumption of this car is indeed high, but now there are HEVs to choose from, with stronger power and better fuel consumption results.
③The media is very concerned about the towing performance of this car, but in fact 95% of people can’t tow any vehicle. This is very funny.
④ The assisted driving will turn the steering wheel greatly. This is because it is not set correctly and cannot be considered a problem. The rest is my positive review of it
①The price/performance ratio is very high. The highest configuration of this car is priced at less than US$30,000 in China. I won't spend a single dollar more for the expensive brand premiums of off-road vehicle brands from Japan, the United States, etc.
② It is safe enough. I have seen a lot of tank 300 car accident videos on China’s Tik Tok, and the performance is very good. In fact, with today's technological level, all car manufacturers use similar materials for body structures. I have no superstition about brands.
③Excellent passability and off-road capabilities, its performance on the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau at high altitudes and harsh road conditions is ten times better than the Prado 2.7 garbage truck.
④The appearance and interior are beautiful, even if its design is very controversial. But beautiful, some very good functions with practicality are indeed worth "copying".
We need more people like you in today's world.
@@Smite-MeisterEdamen
Viewed from someone in the real world, not a so called know it all.
You are spot on, this is a great vehicle, the perfect compromise between a truly capable off roader to a mums mall run in town.
I have my own theories re the brakes that him and negative John are on about to.
Christ I'd love to see the car negative John designed. It'll be so ultimately perfect, haha, NOT.
A lot of tank 300 crashes on tic tic with good performance? Have you considered if it had decent braking performance, many of these crashes may not have happened?
@@v8snail I know what you mean, but the specific "car accident" I'm talking about does not involve using the Tank 300's braking system, such as climbing a steep hillside and rolling down; being rear-ended by a car behind you while waiting at a red light; being hit from the side by a vehicle that ran a red light. etc. These scenarios do not produce what you said is caused by the poor braking performance of the Tank 300.
I definitely would buy one of these because it's Chinese built China can not build a decent vehicle l remember the first GWM vehicles from a couple of years ago they were cheap and really nasty and there aren't many of them driving around they have disappeared and l did see the SUV for sale and they were asking $1000 for it and that lifting of the rear wheels when braking dangerous
7 month or 7 year warranty doesn't mean jack shit. will they honour the warranty is what matters.
Turn coat cadogan linked you❤😂🎉😢😮😅😊
Did you say council worker's where going to do something you take that back boy, because we are going to take it anymore people running around saying we work. I like the way you show cased this vehicle with the good and the bad points. The brakes I think it will make a good little bull buggy so who needs brakes let the bull pull you up❤😂🎉😢😅😅😊
Haha. Apologies.
Hell of alot of car starting at 47k
Yep. Awesome value 👍
Seems like the superficial items are the pros and the items that really matter are cons and below par, no thanks to this thing.
Question : If you disable a "Safety Function," such as Lane Assist. do you give the Insurance company an excuse to not pay out should you have a, totally unrelated, accident? Worth looking into and would make an interesting video - dare you find out the truth?
I also came here because ot Auto expert channel
HAVE YOU DONE A PANIC STOP TEST from 100KPH. I believe it takes over 48 metres to stop from 100kph IT NEEDS A TEN YEAR WARRANTY IF IT'S MADE IN CHINA
Theres a great deal being made of this vehicles braking.
Even Car Expert condemns it.
Right, so in Car Experts stopping distance testing it pulls up as good or better than rivals (even with rear wheels lifted).
Now this tells me;
1. Someone has finally fitted brakes that actually grasp a rotor, good god, it's got so much grip its lifting the rear up.
2. These brakes will clearly stop a ladden vehicle, that's very apparent. That translates to relief for owners, nothing more, so stop condemning it.
As a owner of a very ladden 4WD a primary concern of mine was the braking component. I have addressed this with better rotors & pads, so I'm comfortable with my choice.
This vehicle will not require such action, its ready for its payload to be met without worry.
Now whats being so overlooked here is this Tank had been developed as a hybrid, yes a vehicle that has heavy battery mass, so I strongly suspect the brakes have been designed to stop the hybrid version, the additional battery weight will contribute to stability in hazard stopping as displayed here.
What will also assist stability of the non hybrid version tested here is payload.
Now to sum up.
No one hazard brakes as displayed here in every day driving.
Should you have to hazard brake as displayed here, the least if your worries will be if your tyres are on the ground, it will be about what am I about to impact with, will it hurt?
Let's take it further. Hazard braking as displayed here will most commonly occur in Roo country. The very least of your worries should be about striking said Roo, just hit the thing, don't create a hazard by attempting avasive action and ending up being the statistic whilst said Roo hopps away due to your curtousity to avoid it.
To some that is inscesative, well it's how it is if you wish to have minimal impact on your life and your passengers.
I'd buy a Tank 300 with total confidence myself.
Thanks for your comment. This all sounds like you're are trying to justify a fundamental issue. With most competitors, these specific issues are not there to justify.
Wheels coming off the ground is unacceptable vehicle behaviour during braking. That's the reality of it. There is no scenario where this is favourable.
To me it suggests the vehicle is not engineered to a reasonable standard. And not to the standard of every other key rival that I've tested in the exact-same way, on the same piece of tarmac.
I can't speak for CarExpert's tests; they use a different piece of tarmac and different testing equipment. I use a Racelogic Vbox Sport running at 20Hz. Our measurements are all conducted on the same piece of tarmac and thus you can compare our results between vehicles that we've tested. Full results database here, and you can sort and search to compare: drivingenthusiast.com.au/performance-data/
(keep in mind some rivals wear all-terrain tyres, which impact stopping distances. This Tank 300 features good Michelin road tyres)
Regarding emergency stops, @AutoExpertJC paints a better picture than me in terms of why emergency braking is important. To be brief, emergencies are usually emergencies; there is no planning time or location that you can predetermine, and you don't get many second chances. That's why this is such an important issue. You can check out his video here: czcams.com/video/5QkUcRSREtI/video.html
Thanks again for your comment and concern.
Another chinglish AI generated answer. Are you billing GWM direct for this shyte or via a third party?
With 100 dealerships and more than 15 years here and think the servicing comments are harsh. Also used prices are holding up. In fact my used haval has put on ten grand. Yep. You're no financial advisor.
Ok, now compare your price with an equivalent Toyota or Isuzu of the same age. You’ll find they have held value a bit better. I’m not saying it’s potentially the worst thing about ownership, it’s simply something to consider.
Regarding dealerships, Toyota has around 300 in Australia, Mitsubishi has around 200 and even Isuzu has around 150. In other words, a lot more. Again, just something to consider.
Hope you can understand I’m simply trying to provide some advice for buyers 👍
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia sure. I broadly agree. But I commend GWM for getting to 100 centres so fast. And mostly where Holden was . I am west of Bris and there are four within 100 KS. And my eight year old haval has dispelled any quality worries.
@@MikeJones-mz5ig That’s great to hear. And yes, these new brands are growing very fast 😀
@@drivingenthusiastaustralia although MG here since 2006. GWM 2008. Not so new.
@@MikeJones-mz5ig Toyota has been here since 1959. Nissan/Datsun 1934. Subaru 1973. Mercedes-Benz 1958. MG, GWM and Chery are among the newest vehicle brands in Australia.
Boot space 400 ltrs
Thanks 👍
Petrol engine is a deal breaker.
Sorry, but a rut under 12" is not deep!
india ke top gaddi thar bolte hai , ha ha haaa …. gwm tank toh thar ko puraa kacha chabaa degaa,,, dekho india waalo…….😮😮😮😮😮
If you need 7 seats buy a bloody mini bus, I don't know why we need 7 seats in SUV's, it's just a waste of space and money!!!!!
If you're an Aussie patriot and can't bring yourself to support the Chinese MIC, who think we're just 'a barking dog'
support their competition and buy a Mahindra Scorpio
Wow. This comment is so ridiculous that I can't tell for a moment whether you are Indian or Chinese, but one thing is for sure, you are definitely not Australian
@@zhangguai
I can tell you're offended, Comrade (insert Chinese characters)
I'm a little too close to the target, aren't I, Cob ?
GWM copying Mercedes homework with that interior lol
A lot of cars are copying each other purely for consumers needs. In order to sell, car designers won't design a car that everyone hates. It is hard to design a car to suit everyone or 100% perfect. It depends on what your priority is.
VW amarok copied 99% from Ford Ranger. But who cares ?
Totally wrong with resale value, with lower priced brands they have less drop in resale compared to the higher priced older brands. You only have to look at sales figures for used haval h6 and jolion in last 2 years and most are selling for same as new or slightly less. I sold my jolion after 20000 kms and only list $600 after 2 years
Also the brake tests you did were way off compared to others that tested this
Thanks for your comments.
Like with 0-100 tests, it’s never a good idea to compare different tester results. Because the surface, altitude and weather all impact the figures. It’s like comparing different drag strip results; they are going to be different. The main thing we focus on is testing consistency so you can compare our results with other vehicles we have tested (including going back to the PDriveTV years). We’ve tested around 1000 vehicles on this same piece of tarmac, and 44m does not stack up well against others that we’ve tested in the exact same way with the same Vbox, same tarmac and driver. You can check our full Vbox results data page linked in the description.
At the end of the day, rear wheels coming off the ground is not good, pure and simple. EBD can’t operate properly if two wheels are not in touch with the ground. And, as mentioned, these Michelin tyres are actually quite good. There is no excuse for that long measurement.
As for resale, you say you only lost $600. Many rivals are actually increasing in value compared with their MLP. Also, the small loss you’re experiencing is likely the result of a strong used car market in general, regardless of the brand.
Hope that helps.
Have a look at the LDV D90 resale values after 2 years.. Over 40% loss
@@dlpereira I’m not talking about crap like ldv or mg I’m talking about GWM
@@wcrash9361 There all in the same basket when it comes to resale. Another CZcamsr with a H6 is losing 25% after 1 year of ownership...
@@dlpereira that’s rubbish, I’ve sold 3 havals and lost $600 after 18 mths and the other sold for $800 less than I paid 20000kms ago
Chinese, you say..? Give it time, it'll completely "S the bed." It's just what the Chinese do-
I don't know why you called that braking problem "not ideal". It's appalling. It's not safe and not suitable for sale. It's Chinese garbage, like nearly everything built in China.
Loosing money on buying cheap purchases... I would not buy cheap car from china.
Learn to spell
Got to hate all the over the top so called safety features. Just hate them.