Top 10 Stupidest Moments in Warhammer 40k Lore
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
- With dozens of years of lore and dozens of writers creating that lore it's not surprising that Warhammer 40k is full of little gems. And by gems I mean bits of lore that make 0 sense and should genuinely be purged.
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Im likeing the new mic but it sounds like u dont have the proper speaking distance marked down yet. Could also just be my shitty phone speaker though.
Also heard that mega collab you did yesterday with Baldermort and every other lore youtuber, that was some amazing shit my dude, it rivals the black library for sure! Keep it up love the banter you and baldy have!
Mic sounds great Major; we all come for that buttery, smooth, outback accent anyhow.
"Wolf-brother, did you pack the wolf-cookies for the wolf-lunch in the wolf-backpack so we can have wolf-snacks on our wolf-march?"
Wolfcourse i did wolf brother
xD!
I actually hate the space wolves
@@supervillainJ same
the same thing can be aplued to the imperial cult
The more I read about the Horus Heresy, the more I am convinced that the Emperor is the dumbest smart person in all of fiction.
He kinda was. "Religion is dumb" also wears solid gold armor and fire sword with insane magic power.
Also consider the fact that his whole plan COMPLETELY relied upon him surviving against four reality bending deities and 20 sons that TOTALLY are 100% loyal to him...Yeah he dumb. Had no back up plan if he ends up dying. If he hated the Chaos Gods so much, he really should have embraced being a deity, get all the worship, overpower them, and there ya go. Also the way he handled some of his sons (Like Magnus and Lorgar) are perfect examples of his stupidity.
I think the dumbest thing he did was fucking up everything with Angron I mean the guy has nails in his brain was a slave for all his life and just got free and met his god dad but then the guy kidnaps him ,stops him from dying with his friends and let’s all of them get massacred by his slavers and allows them to join his imperium. I mean he should have wanted to kill those dicks just on principle for enslaving his son
The Emperor was born around M-10. Not M10, M-10. He was already ten thousand years old when Christ was born, so he was more than a little detached by M28, or whenever the whole Primarch project started.
He literally just had to pull horus aside and tell him "hey son there's this thing called chaos which comes from another dimension and seeks to corrupt everything. If you ever encounter it just remember that everything it tells you is a lie and that it will only try to corrupt and destroy you. Also erebus is a fucking weirdo and we should have a heart to heart with lorgar about that religious stuff soon".
So that's where all the "Sister I need your blood!" memes come from...
Okay but the Lucius and Landmine one is hilarious. Imagine you are just minding your business in a factory and suddenly one of your buddies mutates into this huge-ass Chaos Space Marine who gives out a cackle and starts wrecking the factory.
That's hilarious
@@Batkenpre I got into 40k bc of things like that
@@Pop013 same lol it's beautiful
@@Batkenpre haha yea
@@Pop013 hell yeah brother purge all hertics
Majorkill-“Avatar of Khaine dies to everyone and their cat.”
Cat-o-“Yes, I, Cat-o Sicarius, Defeated the God Shard of the Xenos. For I, Cat-o Sicarius, Is the greatest Hero of the Ultramarines.”
And the rightful successor of to become chapter master of the ultramarines
Am* the greatest hero of the Ultramarines
i fucking laughed to death XD
"What a coincidence...You and the Avatar of Khaine have much in common you do..."
SHUT YOUR FACE SHITOSICARIUS
My personal head cannon for all the dumb lore in 40k is that all lore goes through the administratum.
That makes sense.
Administratum, propaganda and urban legends being taken seriously.
This is actually the official lore. Everything is canon, not everything is true.
It has to go through the Administratum, the Ministorum, thousands of scribes, the Astra Telepathica, and the High Lords of Terra. That's after being doctored in the field and before the Inquisition redacts most of it and the rest getting filled in with whatever makes propaganda fitting for the times.
@@Thatonedude227 if that's true, that shows perfectly how idiotic the Administratum is, one would think that a good war propaganda is inflating your numbers and decreasing the enemy's, not decreasing both.
When a bunch of Eldar Harlequins are somehow able to kill a dozen custodies in the most unexpectedly simplest of ways.
That some actually Heresy right there
Somehow the writer mistook the Custodes who are GIANT 9-10 FOOT TALL DEMIGODS for the Lucifer Balcks who are just some regular joes.
other than the fact the author admited he meant to write Lucifer blacks instead of Custodies, i always assumed a lot of the War of the Beast was imperial propaganda
My headcanon is that the harlequins slaughtered the Lucifer blacks and were stopped when they encountered the custodes
@@karvenmanThat’s exactly how it went down. The Blacks guard the outer palace, and are pretty standard. The Custodes guard the inner palace, though, and though are the epitome of “Get off my lawn you fucking kids”
Who would win? 1,000 Ultramarines, or 100,000,000,000,000 Chaos Cultists? OBVIOUSLY THE ULTRAMARINES CUZ THEY ARE THE BESTEST SPACE MARINE OF ALL TIME!!!
'Cuz blue iz da luckiest colour
@OHGAS exterminatus/Nuke from space
The Codex Astartes approves this message.
Of course they win they had insane luck
Nah the cultists just forgot to pack krak grenades.
A Grey Knight giving a pink rose to a Battle Sister.
I smell HERESY...
*Slaanesh grins in the background*
It's a lure. Like an Anglerfish dangling a glowy bit to attract prey? A grey knight jiggles a rose so he can get a Sister into killing distance
Jhul Vincent Calabia “SISTER I AM NOT A HERETIC BUT I THINK YOU ARE PRETTY”
@@Ultra_Sauce "you want my blood, dont you"
just think, they could walk right into a Black Templar or a member of the Inquisition.
@@Ultra_Sauce "damn I hear that Grey Knight's magnetic voice, it is in my head!
Every single time the Emperor made decisions that actively drove each traitor Primarch against him would fill this list up from the start.
Yo, is that heresy what I'm seeing?
You know like kicking Angron in the dick and leaving ... just WHY... Hey there son you seem to have some weird device in your head that makes you really angry and not think straight .... Let me leave you with that and be surprised when you go batshit insane and corrupted by the chaos God of anger.
Alexander Gro'Hamilton
Not really, there was Angron and that’s pretty much it. The rest he may have shunned but it was mostly due to genuine human errors everyone makes in relationships
The guy was building an intergalactic empire with Demi god highly emotional general sons all vying for his attention, of course he made mistakes
Andrej Mišún
We still know nothing about the Emperor’s reasoning for doing what he did with Angron.
But there was literally nothing he could do to remove the nails and he still needed a galaxy conquering. He probably assumed if Angron ever became completely out of control he could just purge him. He even tried to get Russ to rein him in at one point.
@@schopenhauerassplower4223 the godlike man who scares actual chaos gods couldn't remove a fucking nail from his own creation's skull. Yea...that makes so much sense...
Emperor: _"I will destroy every religion on Earth because the forces of Chaos feed on their belief. Atheism is and WILL be the new thing"._
Normal folks, watching a giant Conan Joestar capable of shitting planets and changing His appearance: _"okay fam"._
I know people really hate Lorgar, but c'mon, the guy was right. Big-E is, and I don't care how much he, that old creep Malcador or Roboute want to spin it, is A GOD!
@Mean Bob That, or he is reborn... not clear enough...
In one of the books a regular human basically states that the Emperor is so powerful no matter what he says he fits the definition of a God and can never stop people from worshiping him as such.
If he was not a twat about this fact ... there would be no Heresy and he would replace the chaos gods with himself ... a much better plan if you ask me.
@@MrFallenone yeah. And Lorgar would've never fallen for Chaos in that scenario.
@Mean Bob:)
"the gray knights were un-coruptable from Korne's urge to slaughter indiscriminately"
ok
"this is why they slaughtered the sisters of battle indiscriminately in order to not be corrupted by Korne"
. . .
*wat?*
Mmmmm I think humie just du Wat weird chaos boyz god wa'nt
For Korne!
Korne just pulled a pro gamer move on them
That was Matt Ward for you. Massive hard-on for the Grey Knights + equally massive hard-on for SoB torture porn... yeeeaaahh...
To be fair, the logic works in a skewed way. Khorne couldn't corrupt the Grey Knights to slaughter the same way you can't break an already Shattered mirror...
I don't care how strong or angry you are. Punching through power armor with bare hands is just silly.
Especially the best non primarch armour in the history of the imperium
The only excuse I could accept for that is warp nonsense being involved. Possessed, warp enhanced, that kind of thing could allow such a thing to happen. That being said, still stupid.
It's just as stupid as someone STABBING a tank to death, oh wait... that happens in 8e now...
@@GeneralSturnn Lelith Hesperax does EXACTLY that. Rips open tank armor like paper.
@@valtersplume3726 8th edition right?
Blood for the God-Emperor; skulls for the Golden Throne!
Man*-Emperor
@@indrickboreale7381 that is heresy!
@@quest6898 NOH! Do you not see the error of your ways?! The Emperor is no god, and to lump him into that obscene category is what is HERESY around here. Compare our Emperor, radiant, beautiful, magnificent, to the ones considered gods in this galaxy!
* Nurgle; a supernatural garbage bag.
* Khorne; a paraplegic sociopath.
* Tzeentch; an indecisive mollusk.
* Slaanesh; never went to rehab.
* Gork and Mork; literal mushrooms.
* Khaine; Big Daddy Calgar's personal pleasure object.
* Isha; supernatural garbage can.
* Cegotach; a fcking CLOWN!
* The Nightbringer; has no friends.
* And the Deceiver; who just straight-up an idiot!
(Malal doesn't exist)
That you ever DARE to compare our Emperor to these filthy creatures is DISGRACEFUL! It is a title fallaciously forced upon him, to associate him with beings of lesser worth! NOH! Our great father is no god - he is a MAN!
GLORY TO THE MAN-EMPEROR OF MANKIND!
@@indrickboreale7381 I have never heard of these false idols you worship, heretic. You're right about one thing they aren't comparable!
@@indrickboreale7381
No one here seems to get this reference sadly
If Russ ever returns I want him to go on a linguistics crusade and have his language be used as it is rather than the catch all term of "Wolf". Tis like the word smurf, it can be applied to literals anything. Except the ultra-smurfs
So when I write my Ork homebrew; I need to add a foot-note where my warboss kills an avatar a Khane with Psychic Vomit?
as a space wolves player i agree 100% they made them less like vikings and more like something you would find on e621
The horus heresy books portray them 10× better in my opinion. Burning of Prospero is some real shit
That's a shame to hear, because the looks only are badass, and they're being wasted...
The fact that you know what e621 makes me believe you know what you're talking about. Also don't google it unless you're a Furry, you have been warned.
I just read Blood of Asaheim and Stormcaller. They still look and feel like vikings.
@@Watcher-in-the-Dark Furry image board. There you go. The forbidden knowledge.
When I used to play 40k, we used to call them "vanilla marines."
Shut it! Casual .... ;)
Who?
The Ultramarines, or as I like to call them, “blueberries”
@@Aredel the Ultrasmurfs
The Space Wolf naming thing basically highlights the difference between Dan Abnett and Willian King as writers. Abnett has added so much to the lore it incredible.
Dont worry. You didn't ruin space wolves for me. They did that themselves when they burned Prospero
Against the direct orders from the Emperor... because Horus changed them ... and Russ ... listens to only the Emperor and no other ... unless the plot demands it.
FUCK YOU LEMAN RUSS!!!!
Magnus: FUCKING FURRIESSSSSSSSSSS!
Yes!! Those damned space furries!!!
@@MrFallenone To be fair - the Prospero incident is *precisely why* Russ no longer listens to anyone but the Emperor. Others (Malc, Dorn, Girlyman) can at best offer advice, and Russ will not necessarily go against their prlans - but they can't offer actual iron-clad orders. And before you call it retarded, Corax and IIRC Khan expressed the same sentiments in their "time in the spotlight" novels.
Luscious could be stopped by a tesseract vault/Labyrinth the only reason he hasn't is because Trazyn doesn’t collect Trash.
oh snap!
I could totally see Trollzyn telling this to Lucious's face just to fuck with him.
@@MachineMan-mj4gj
“You collect precious artifacts, important individuals, yes?”
_”Indeed”_
“Then why am I still here? Why I have not been put on display as the ultimate addition to your collection”
_”I collect treasures. Items and individuals whose glory in the waking world has earned them renown and respect across the Galaxy. I do not collect garbage, for it has a place all of its own”_
@@TheCorrodedMan I read it with robotic voice and gayish, no pun intended, voice for Lucius
OH SHIT I HAVE NOT SEEN SUCH BURN IN MILLENNIA
Let me get this straight
Custodes > Thunder Warriors, Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Primaris Marines
Custodes < Some dancing twat with a knife
BUt tHe Harqelisn ARE reaally OLD?
seems legit
A Solitaire could do it alone, I think, and likely never even get detected. Regular Harlequins are very deadly, but there's no way they'd get far through Custodes, definitely not when at a severe numbers disadvantage.
As for a "dancing twat with a knife"...Lelith Hesperax?
@@iDEATH Is possibly the most overpowered character in 40k and that says a lot when you have characters like Draigo ...
@@iDEATH Are you kidding ? They wouldn't need to be in a severe numerical disadvantige. The Custodes would cut them down before they made any progess. Especialy in a direct approach like that ? they couldn't hope to 1o1 anyone. The writer even stated he done goofed there. But even in that story, the Halequinns used ambush tactics and picked them off one by one.
I always love the time when Vance Stubbs just casually lost 100 Baneblades in Dawn of War Soulstorm.
No, a quarter of those 100 baneblades each were merged with 4 guardsmen
*group of grey Knights after bathing is Sister of Battle blood* "Okay, remember, if anyone asks, we did this to remain pure and uncorrupted, not because of that really bad PCP Dave got for us"
"Aw, man, I said I was sorry! I just ..."
"SHUT UP, DAVE!"
here's a stupid thing that happened: once when the kroot defended one of their worlds from a necron dynasty, one of the shapers thought it would be a good idea to *EAT* the leftovers of the necrons and ended up giving a bunch of his people a life ending disease
Why the fuck would they eat metal in the first place
Well atleast the end result was realistic.
i mean just imagine if their plan actually worked and they ended up developing mechanical bodies or some weird exoskeleton.
because of that one shaper, he's entirely at fault
Princess Squidess to be fair Kroot eat everything
I mean kroot are kinda primitive. I think they do something that dumb. I don't even know how they could eat necron metal though. Necrons are really tough.
First Company Salamanders firedrake terminators: 3/5 of them die along with an entire army of sororitas to take down a demonic engine which they beat by luck and deus ex machina.
Random Ultramarines Sergeant and tactical marine: both beat a demonic engine each in a duel, engines that were both supported by an entire army of berserkers and possessed chaos marines, yet both the ultras and the rest of their squad are fine in the end without a single casualty.
GW: ah yes, that's some proper lore.
(am not making this up, they are examples from two books I own)
I literally just reader the salamander one (fireborn) What were the odds?
Also, they mention a sororitias with a "crusader shield" yet I cannot find a single model of them with a shield, specially none of that type.
I like to compare the battle for macragge with the devastation of ball.
Macragge: 1000 ultramarines win without problems against a hive fleet
Ball: around 20000 sons of sanguinius barely hold the line against a hive fleet and need the help of the ultramarines to win
Which book was the Ultramarines example from?
@@PoorManatee6197 To be completely fair to the Ultramarines, the Battle for Macragge was one of the first times the Imperium had advance notice that the Tyranids were coming and had some time to prepare. Also, as you might suspect, most of the combat was waged by the Imperial Navy, not to mention a metric assload of Guardsmen, with the Ultramarines themselves dropping in wherever they could to triage the situation. And even then, the Ultramarines lost most of the Macragge system, and only managed to hold Macragge itself with the wholesale loss of their entire First Company. I'll grant you that there should've been more long-term consequences to the loss of the First Company, but I blame that on the scrubbing of the Tyrannic War Veterans (the original answer to that inquiry) from the canon when they stopped being a playable unit.
I'll also grant you that Devastation of Baal was stupid from front to back, no qualifiers there. The only remotely positive legacy of that entire debacle was that competitive Tyranids started coming back when it became possible to field five Flyrants in the same army. Yep, that's where that came from.
Battle of Macragge: Also, the emergence of Kraken, Leviathan and other fleets make it seem that Behemoth was "just" a scouting fleet, and this would explain the relatively low casualties of the Ultramarines. The original fluff also made clear mentions that the Titan and PDF legions that assisted the UM took heavy casualties, and the thing that finally turned the battle to the Imperium's favour was the sacrifice of the Imperial Navy flagship... So even with the loss of the 1st and damage to other companies, the UM got of lightly because of the sacrifices of others.
Compared to this, the data provided for the Devastation of Baal seems... About as believeable. I haven't read the novel or anything beyond the 8thEd Tyranid Codex, but reading the description on the Fandom wiki seems plausible even though the summary says "Hive Ships" when it is clear they should say "bio-ships". Facing the amount of actual Hive Ships as the summary claims absolutely wouldn't be possible with the ships mentioned, even with the Chaos intervention... Though I don't think Guilliman's crusade fleet's ships are included with the numbers of barges and strike cruisers, and I would assume that fleet to be about the biggest in history? Still, with the actual text specifically referring to just "bio-ships", this seems to be an error in the summary and thus beatable with the forces and deus ex machinas mentioned.
As I've been out of touch, why is DoB considered stupid? Are the issues with fluff, rules or events, or a combination of aspects?
see the thing is, the custodies are the EMPEROR'S space marines, they're slightly lower powered than primarches but they're better than any space marine because they're basically the perfect space marines
The Space Wolves do not like being called 'Space Wolves'. The name they use and which they prefer is Vlka Fenryka [Wolves of Fenris]. You can read this in the HH Novel Wolfsbane.
Only when formal. Amongst themselves, they are "the Rout" meeting in a clan-home (Aett, not some stupid 'Fang'), lead by jarls (not "wolf-lords"), etc, etc.
Fuckin Space Corgis and their Corgimancers
Yeah and fat girl's like being called plus size but them ladies is fat.
Space Corgies is the best naming.
16:00 Kinda like how inuit have 20 different words for snow depending on the context, but all are translated to english as "snow"?
I dig it.
Sort of, but i think the words wouldn’t even mean anything like wolf at all. For example in a book over the fang getting besieged, it is described that the space wolf have their own imperial guard regiment called kjarls, like the the old viking term hus kjarl (i probably misspelled that) wich stud for a clans standing warriors. So i guess they likely have all sorts of old norscian names for their units and stuff.
And come on, it would be so easy and cool to name more like that. Name the wolf guard after the warriors who went to Walhalla for example.
@@ragnerschwarzmane3412 I always reffered to wolf guards as Thanes, and wolf lords as Jarls
“She’ll be ‘right” Warcry of all disgruntled Australians
It's when they go from "she'll be 'right" to "you what, Cunt?" That you know shit got real.
@@MajesticDemonLord When the Australian says "yeah nah you know a what CUNT" you start running.
"The Last Church" is a great story. Definitely looking forward to seeing it visualized!
The stupidest moment was when the Emperor thought that he could turn all of humanity into atheists.
Paraphrasing a 4chan greentext.
"How the F did you expect not to be worshiped as a god? You glow for f's sake!!"
God Emperor:...so does fire.
"WE USED TO WORSHIP FIRE!! HELL, THERE ARE PLANETS WERE WE STILL DO!!"
Can we mention that the recent box with Ghazghull DOESN’T HAVE HIM FIGHT YARRICK?
Godforoth Channel or the fact that there is more space marines then orks. The orks are a horde army yet there is less of them. Plus these primal do not feel or look space wolves.
Godforoth Channel and GW killed of the Ragnar Blackmane two wolves in a sing paragraph.
@@tylerghersinich576 hug?
Ghazkull ate him just before he fought Ragnar ......
Richard Knight yes please 😢
As a Tyranid player I just assume that zoanthrope exploded from it's own gluttony. Of course it should have died long before it ate more than a tenth of those souls.
Remember when it took two Necron Overlords an entire Necron army and several of Trayzns spare armies to kill a deceiver C’tan shard?
Honestly, how the World Eaters haven't been wiped out by suicidally front rushing a heavily fortified Guardsmen position equipped with emplaced heavy bolters, melta cannons, and plasma guns is a mystery
The mirror cracked where Fulgrim went from tragedy to stereotypical badguy who somehow outsmarts a daemon without no knowledge on daemons
YES! Exactly!
shadowsun taking a hive city in a day...and shadowsun beating a chapter master in melee.
@Anzu Wyliei The tau dont do melee.
@Anzu Wyliei a hive city.
in a day.
cmon.
@Anzu Wyliei i dont know what youre referring too,but Im not saying its not dumb. im just saying this part shadowsuns fluff is dumb.
@Anzu Wyliei smarter then most humans does not equal smarter then all humans and usually space marines are NOT your average human I feel like some writers forget the astartes aren't just boosted physically they also process information many levels higher
@Anzu Wyliei dude. second edition.
Granted my favorite faction has been and will always be the SoB, I agree the Penitent Engines are a ridiculous idea and just a waste of resources from literally all points. BUT to keep them and make them less stupid, GWS should put the heretics on the BACK of a Penitent Engine (still exposed) and not as mindless.
-They turn to flee in battle, get shot in the back easily by the enemy.
-They turn their guns and saws on sisters or other allies, remote switch or mental switch that floods them with a cascade of drugs that will make them wish they were dead.
It's not a perfect change or solution, but it keeps the sisters with a lore friendly dreadnought style unit and isn't as stupid as hell.
Honestly I kumd of like it. It's like "dumbass heretic. Were going to put in this ridiculous exposed contraption that will make you feel immense amounts of pain and let you die taking the enemy with you."
That's actually not a bad idea.
Yes, like actually yes it would be a good choice comrade.
Penitant engines aren't that bad an idea if you assume they're intended to be repaired. The penitent gets to purify themselves through combat and then thier death, then they hose the engine off, wire a new penitent in, and repeat.
6:34 brought tears to my eyes lol
And 40k lore definitely needs an injection of some Game of Thrones mortality. When all these characters are invincible it just makes them boring.
MajorKill: "I'm just gonna say things until your brain hurts."
Me, having just initiated brainfreeze: *Noooooooo*
*Through the power of Lord Adorable, I have fortified my neuron system.*
i choked drinking my coffee in laughter when majorkill mentioned the custodes killing the primaris, so funny how it triggered so many people.
Maybe it's because the custodes killed the gray shields for making a valid point.
Ryan Joncas and there was the Custode walking through the battlefield with bitter rounds bouncing off of him while the sister of battle gawked at his radiance
@@ryanjoncas5146 Their fault for not disarming and trying to talk to them then
@@randomguy3849 It's the Custodes fault for shooting someone for making a valid point
"Wolf-brother, make haste and release the wolf-wolves onto the wolfplains so that they may leave their wolf-shits upon the wolfenground."
The thing is that Marneus Calgar can never be defeated. He knows the ultimate combat technique that even allowed him to one shot an Eldar Titan.
I.
CAST.
*FIST!*
When the Eldar decided it would be a good idea to pay the Emperor a visit, and the Custodes didn't completely slaughter the invading xenos inside the palace.
Space wolves actually hate being called that, to them, they are the Vlka Fenryka or the Rout. It marks anyone who calls them space wolves an outsider so it's pretty spiffy there is no word for the general public in the setting for what they use. That was a very cool tidbit, thanks for the fun warhammer 40k content!
14:50
Emps: All I got out of that was wolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolfwolf and wolf.
Rogal Dorn: The Space Wolves are incredibly uninspired...
I regret looking up Daemonculaba
I like the concept of it. It's 100% in theme for chaos and the Iron Warriors. Unlike anything the Dark eldar do, the Daemonculaba has a reason to exist.
The work it's featured in it's just dumb...
We all learn some day pal
One inquisitor to the front please
It's even worse than the Dark Eldar.
That is some next level BDSM shit right there
R.I.P graphics card you will be remembered
Haha Alfabusa’s Lucius is utterly priceless. Prob my favorite character in TTS
"Nor does imperial fists actually FIST anyone" hahaha, I cant stop laughing when I heard that line
What about big E rushing back to earth to build the web way rather than finishing off the crusade and dispanding the legions before they have a chance to turn traitor on a legion level. Then he would have all the time in the world to deal with his on projects, there was no rush he's basically immortal.
OR just fucking telling at least some of his sons ... the ones that were not Curze and Angron what are his plans ... since then the Word bearers could not deceive the astartes that they were abandoned by the Emperor who now fucking enjoys the good life while they have to do the dirty work...
Cause you wouldnt have the story duuhh. Thats always the problem with fiction
@@dalebrown7842 Still There has to be a better way. Withholding information for some BS reason to drive the conflict is always nonsensical. And the answer then often is "To protect you!" What?!
Star Wars Original Trilogy with Vader, Star Wars Sequels with feggin' Holdo not telling anyone that there at least IS a plan, even upon being asked jsut that.
Harry Potter when not being told who Sirius Black is. That never protects anyone, it just makes them take stupid risks and be stupid. So the immeasurably wise and intelligent Big E thought "Naaaaahhhh..It's going to be fine. Magnus and Lorgar won't mess anything up, they're good boys!"
Actually, these had explanations fellas. But it probably wouldn't help much with your current stances from a year ago
for the first one (This is speculation) The Big E knows that the chaos gods are... Let's just say not very compliant when it comes to time because, why would they? And it'd only take his sons and the rest of humanity to know of their existence. Which was something the Big E did not want considering feint ignorance was probably the best way to combat them in terms of the bigger picture (Which, is kind of a double edge sword looking at it now) but also the fact that he had made some sort of deal with them and kind of violated his part of the deal to make the primarchs and just like a scammer you'd probably only have so much time before the authorities (or in this case the four chaos gods) to caught up with you. Meaning he had to dip half way, stupid on his part but he had a habit of wanting things done quickly.
Second
(again, probably speculation. I've only heard this from majorkill himself) The Big E didn't tell shit to his sons because of... You know, tzeench learning the webway project by the primarchs as a final solution to the warp. Which, seems smart in hindsight and again, plays onto the fact that the Big E loves using feint ignorance against the warp as a weapon
@@MrFallenone Just one problem about the Word Bearers:Erebus
Ya know. With that Tyranid eating up so many souls of Eldar, it could have been somewhat interesting for it to somewhat evolve to become an individual cut off, but still able to connect with the Hive Mind, but selectively.
The Tyranids could have potentially had their own Horus Heresy.
Prolly stupid, but I think it could have been cool.
As far as I know, those Sister of Battle punishment machines have brain of pilot extracted from head and hidden behind armor, yet connected to nervous system of body so they could feel the pain their exposed body takes, but not die
The Penitent Engine is literally a tool to redeem themselves through pain or death. That is why they are exposed. And if they survive, they are drugged up and sent out again, and again til death. It is a literal death sentence.
Just like he said in the video, some nerd's wet jerk off fantasy. Anybody with half a brain would figure out you don't make your heavy frontline units to be taken out by a fart in the wrong direction.
Your points on scale and the level of forces involved is spot on, it's always bothered me.
The Space Wolves were one of the things that originally drew me to the universe, because they were basically Vikings in Space. Now they're weird, sorta fantasy, power armored furry wolfy wolves with actual wolves prancing around and their Lord rides around in an unbelievably stupid Santa's sleigh pulled by...wolves.
Now I despise the Space Wolves.
"There are no wolves on Fenris."
they aren't wolves, they are failed aspirants
Hey, lucius the eternal gets his ass kicked so often slaanesh keeps him around for fun, he's, like, a joke that he has no idea he is part of
Also probably because Rylanor and Saul remained loyalist and Lucius is the best she has.
My head canon is that those harlequin that one shot those custodians were actually Solitaires hence why they managed to body three of them since Solitaires are pretty much equal to custodies like a single Solitaire can kill an entire hive fleeting by it’s self in lore
Why do they always have to nerf or buff shit to fit the narrative ? Me angery me can kill custodes now lmao
Majorkill is the highlight of CZcams. Period.
True but baldermort is coming up with a game changer, if u havent yet go check out his new video majorkill is in it
Thanks for the Last Church shout out, Major. Definitely one of my fav fluff bits right there.
Thanks for linking the video project. Looks like they hit the goal so I can't wait to see what happens.
You know what is really, really dumb: the time scale.
Ok, the ENTIRE story of 40k takes place in ten THOUSAND years. To put it in prospective is twice the time of the entire HISTORY OF MANKIND to THIS TIME.
Stagnancy? Ok, I can get it.
The plot advancing at the speed of government? OK, ok.
But writing MILLENNIA or CENTURIES sounding like decades is outright dumb, sometimes.
The latter makes me think the galaxy is actually way more peaceful than portrayed in the lore.
Dont look at Ravnica lore. 10k years of nothing happening! Such time skip drive me up a wall!
Only reason I'm more accepting of 40k time skips is due to everything about the lore being beyond stupid. Once the Sisters of Battles drop ship became a full sized literal church, I began to not care about time jumps. I do agree though. It's bad writing.
In my opinion the time skips are justified as even with warp travel things are slow and major threats only happen every so often but there is stated to be constant minor skirmishes everywhere they just don't write every little conflict instead they dedicate books to big threats like especially large waaghs or ones that take over critical locations or the appearance of a tyrranid hive fleet etc
@@user-unos111 it makes perfect sense! How could such massive battles and wars be maintained on such a large scale for so long without longer periods of peace and larger areas of security and production for all parties to recuperate, reinforce, and rearm?
Truth is, no truly grim dark scenario (everything bad 100, 90, 70, 60, or even 50 percent of the time) can be maintained for very long, and it never could because all wars require resources to fight. It takes a long time to build something up but only a few seconds to destroy: be it cities, weapons, armor, or human lives.
No matter how bad this guy's day gets he still has this neutral happy atmosphere in his voice
I just want to say that I'm glad you show your self in "real time" while talking over your more recent videos. It makes it a lot more personal and you have a nice face :)
Keep up the great work MK.
15:55 The Space Wolves not having a word for Wolf is talked about in Prospero Burns. This is sort of a plot point throughout the book where the PoV character wakes up with a new body suddenly understanding Fenrisian, but every once in a while he slips into another language, or the plot point that is giving him this understanding is cut off from him, and he suddenly doesn't understand the Fenrisian. This goes along with the "running gag?" That there are no wolves on Fenris
He did not pray to his machines once again... may the Omnissiah have mercy on him
The existence of the Tau
you
Hey Emperor hows your Empire going
It'll get a lot better once I get off this throne
the Empire actually likes the tau if he manage to mind control all the eternals
Someone go check the Throne Room, Kitten is using Emperor's account again.
I think the Space Wolves were inspired by LOTR:
Eomer, take your eored, down the eoflank and prepare the eocharge. Eodeath! Eodeath! Eodeath!
Forth Eorlingas!
I think that's based on Anglo-Saxon names you know Ælfrēd , Æthelbald ,Æthelberht, Æthelred , Æthelwulf etc etc etc
@@LtKharn the Anglo-Saxons liked mashing two words together to make a name. (Sometimes those words even made sense when combined).
E.g. Aelf = elf; Aethel = Noble; red = wisdom/counsel, wulf = wolf.
Also, Eomer is an actual Anglo-Saxon name, although I don't know what it means.
I can trall through my feed for 20 min of meh until i see one of your interesting videos, good work my dude.
11th: Magnus the Red horntits.
Oh, gods, yes.
Tzeentch made that happen, so we're screwed. xD
I HAVE NIPPLES ON MY HEAD!
Succ
There are just to many dumb moments in the 40k lore to count. Would love to see you do more of these videos :)
poor Worf, he never got a chance to live up to his honor
I know I'm late to the party, but thanks so much for the shoutout Majorkill! The team and I really appreciate it.
In defense of the penitent engines: The Ecclesiarchy is as we all know an amplified version of multiple facettes of the history of christianity. In the middle ages one major motivation behind most of the punishments like building walls around nuns and burning people (if it did really happen for religious and not for political reasons) was to save their souls, not to be cruel just to be cruel. Same goes for things like penitent engines. From a military point they are just weird and not very practical but from the point of a religious fanatic who thinks your soul can maybe redeem itself and be kinda saved by putting you into the engine it makes sense. The pilot is exposed to serve as a warning to everyone near him and the few rags they´ve thrown over him as "clothes" may have the same function as the rags they´ve worn back in the times and that muslims should wear today when they´re in Mekka. It´s a symbolic way to express that no matter who you are, who you were, how wealthy or poor you are: We sinners all the same in the face of God or the God Emperor.
But I would agree that an over-sexualised version like it´s so often to be found in fanart and maybe the model (although I think the model isn´t that much over the top) just serves to please the basement-dwellers fantasy.
If I remember right there is a penitent model were the poor sod is inside a iron maiden.
@@dovahkiin_brasil You´re talking about the Anchorites.
Issue is that both the iron Maiden and in General burning people are terrible examples since both of those are essentially enlightenment era propaganda (which were literally everything but enlightened) to decry older rival organisations and didn't even nearly happen as much as Pop culture would make you belief.
Best example for that is the spanish Inquisition which is almost completely seen as a church thing nowadays despite it being of spanish, not papal origin and listening to the authority of the spanish crown not the Pope. (hence the Name spanish Inquisition. There was a papal Inquisition, but that one was like a hundred times less brutal and belongs to some of the fairer judicial organisations of the time (which isn't saying much. It were Still the middle ages))
@@matthiasbindl7085 Right. But I don´t think GW invested in a good historian when they created their Ecclesiarchy, Inquisition and their foot soldiers. They just followed the rule of cool and the rule of cruel. The burning stuff was still popular centuries after the middle ages and not only in the catholic parts of Europe but also in the protestant colonies in Americe. The only well known burning that comes to my mind right now was the one of Giordano Bruno 1600 a.d. and therefore after the middle ages. Other ones like even Jan Hus in Konstanz were executed by political powers like the HRE. But you know how pop cultre works. Take the most extreme stuff you can find and proclaim some mysterious organisation as the bad guy. But don´t tell people that the higher authorities and the major part of the church rejected stuff like the Hexenhammer. Because then it wouldn´t be that mysterious anymore xD
Yeah I think the pilot isn't protected because the pilot is meant to die in battle for the Emperor, redeeming their soul.
Current day corpse emperor Stephen hawking, he was on the golden throne all along.
so happy you mention the number scaling issue
As an Ultramarines player, I totally agree with the fact that Calgar shounldn't have survived the encounter against Abaddon. But I feel like they missed an opportunity to put his dead ass into a Drreadnought and basically create an amazing named Dreadnought for the Ultramarines...
With the wolf one I was like "Yeah yeah I know" and then you started saying the titles and I had a moment where I realized all over again, like an estranged couple falling back in love with one another, how cringe the Space Wolf titles are.
That Eldar-Custodes bs is just Eldar propaganda.
I thought of a neat idea when you mentioned the problem with the Swarmlord.
You can beat the Swarmlord. Once. Then the best you can do is hope to outrun his respawn timer.
Alternatively they could pull the whole sandbagging rout later down the line. Come to think of it, the Swarmlord is either the only or one of the only named entities in the setting that has no reason to fear death, so that could actually be a feasible strategy. The greatest warrior of the supposed new galactic threat allows itself to be defeated again and again, abusing the fact it can’t permanently die to study the galaxy’s greatest combatants and learn their tricks.
In fact, to make it even more interesting, make it subtle (and like that I’ve removed any hope) have a pattern start forming that goes something like “The villain of the week killed the Swarmlord. Then we defeated him. We went to hunt down his followers only to find out they’d already been eaten by Tyranids. Funny, they were doing so well against them before.”
Man, the last church was so very good. Made me tear up a bit at the end.
How much does a 'the sabbat worlds crusade' 2005 limited edition book sell for???
About £100 on Ebay, although I've met someone prepared to pay twice that at one of my local gaming stores before all the coronavirus lockdown crap.
@@inquisitorpedro3727 inquisitor! My brother is coughing, may I grant him the emperors mercy?
@@mastercharlesdiltardino8058 it depends, is he a loyal subject of the imperium or a vile and dirty heretic? He may yet still provide some service to the emperor in the form of a servitor, in which case take him to your nearest chirugeon for a lobotomy.... otherwise suffer not the heretic to live!!!
You trying to sell or buy?
@@magicmanscott40k sell
I have a feeling that the Space Wolves were created back when WH40K was more satirical and meant to be tongue in cheek than the grim dark seriousness it is now. So I could see someone back then thinking it'd be funny to name everything they had with wolf as a running joke and the newer writers never understood that it was supposed to be so kept with the theme.
Oh and one more thing about the Harlequins' massacre of the custodes is that it wasnt even the entire group, it was only two.
The one digit added thing is something I’ve thought about a lot before, it’s nice to see I’m not alone
I finished an Avatar of Khaine with an Imperial Guard mortar!
Best heavy weapon ever!
Primaris marines, Amar Astartes, some random chick who is the mom of the Primarchs ?
Always wanted to know who the mother of Primarchs is. Is there actually a story of her? Always imagined her being taken out when the thunder warriors were taken out.
@@benjihero86 It was in the new HH books, she is some perpetual and was the one to scatter all the primarchs cause the emperor was going to use them for the crusade. She is the sole reason why the galaxy is fucked and I will not consider the bs black library wrote as canon.
@@sinister9111 I am pretty sure the primarchs were scattered because certain Wordbearer space marine transported back in time by some chaos fuckery poked the shield that was keeping them hidden from the eyes of the chaos gods ... Unless it was a flashback or some shit ... but I like my theory much more because it makes the wordbearers even bigger assholes than they already are.
@@MrFallenone You're right, it was in the HH book "The First Heretic" pretty cool book if you ask me and makes for my headcanon as to how the Primarchs were scattered
Anyone know where this stuff about their mother being the reason they were scattered comes from?
Wot? I always thought the primarchs were genetic experiments born in tubes.
The time when draigo carved his master's name into demon mortarions heart. When even robout had troubles with him.
Have you ever eaten…a tangerine??
That Craftworld eater was a named character for a bit but GWs big-brained contract with the guy who wrote the lore for it means that GW didn't actually own the rights to the Floating Raid Boss so when the authers contract ran out they just took the Special Character out of the next Tyranid book
I mean a World Eater somehow managed to do the same to a Thunder warrior so it baffles me how stronk they are
You put my feelings about the GRIM DARKNESS OF THE FUTURE in words, I love my demons, flesh abominations, represive government, human sacrifices and I also collect Word Bearers ,who are probably one of the more messed up factions in the lore however sometimes there are things that feel a bit tryhard and edgy like some of the artwork you showed.
The Fifth Edition Tyranid codex gets an overpowered model profile in the Doom, and it’s epic to think about a Zoanthrope pulping the Eldar of a whole craftworld, but admittedly rather silly, yes.
"Marneus Calgar is a patient tactical genius who considers the danger of an incoming projectile before taking cover."
Someone actually wrote that, thinking it was a good display of Strategy skill.
Let's just pretend the first one was a Custodes ripping out an unarmored World Eaters' spine. It makes a lot more sense that way...
There's another thing that pisses me off about the whole scaling problem:
Inconsistent, illogical logistics, artificial supply shortages and supposed equipment rarity.
The Imperium has UNCOUNTABLE worlds which all produce one thing or another.
Like ENTIRE WORLDS that produce nothing but food or Imperial Guard gear and yet I'm supposed to believe that there's always a damn shortage on pretty much everything everywhere and that most people just barely survive on recycled scraps and wield piles of rust with a bit of weapon in them that were falling apart when their grandfather used them?
Like, does ANYONE at GW have a basic understanding of large scale production capacities and logistics, or the sheer amounts of goods our SINGLE world produces per day or could produce per day if all our resources were, for example, delegated towards providing regiments of IG and their wargear?
Fucking hell, WE could've taken Vraks in a WEEK by sheer material superiority and versatility alone.
Its more the issue of the warp rather than anything else
The short answer is no. GW was founded by game designers and artists, and is still mainly run by them. That's why their designs for armour, both personal and vehicular, rank right up there for "stupidest designs ever".
The longer answer is that, for one example, we produce enough food to feed well over ten billion humans right now. Despite that, there are places that are experiencing food shortages. For that matter, the current pandemic led to a shortage of various products, if only in the short term. Supply chain disruptions happen.
Now multiply by freighter carrying millions of tons of stuff that take years to get from A to B.
The shortages actually make sense. Production capacity does not automatically remove shortages, and it's actually a pretty common realworld mistake to focus on production to try to solve shortages.
A nice example is Germany in Russia during WW2. Despite having a couple of thousand Pz IIIs and IVs in depots in Germany and I can't remember the exact figure but hundreds of thousands of tons of fuel reserves and ammo reserves, while they went in to Russia entire armies were going without fuel or ammo and without replacement men or vehicles some times for months, despite there being the production capacity, due to a huge variety of problems (ie improper bureaucracy, a shortage of trucks, theft if you can beleive it (entire trains stolen)) etc.
And that's just shipping things a thousand miles largely by train. Never mind planet to planet via the warp.
@@jimmydesouza4375
Yeah I might agree if the production scale wasn't so absolutely ridicilous and if immense amounts of the goods produced weren't either durable AF (Lasguns) or easy to mass produce (flak armor).
Even with all the shortfalls of Imperial logistics and politics, the sheer scale of production would just drown it out.
Entire forge worlds, hive worlds, frigging planet-crossing manufactorums all over the place on MOST Imperial worlds... Uh yeah even if they were operating at 50% efficiency (which the Imperium would never tolerate btw) and assuming they lost 50% of goods into the warp (as in lost for good, not delayed), the shortages STILL do not make any damn sense.
The sheer cargo capacity of the Imperial ships is absolutely bonkers too, and that's not even accounting the Mass Conveyors that can load over a million people each in addition to being able to fit *MANHATTAN ISLAND* with it's buildings and all into the cargo bay. *TWICE OVER.*
@@RuSosan Like I said earlier, production does not mean supply. It's a common mistake to make. Higher production without the means to distribute that production actually leads to less supply reaching the destination (as staging areas for the supply have to expand some of thier time and resources dealing with being overloaded).
So even if all the worlds in the imperium are dedicated to war production unless you have the right amount of resources for every step in the supply chain then the supply chain stops working. And this is in the real world where you don't have to deal with the astra telepathica not communicating directly but through easily misconstrued imagery. Or with the way that warp travel doesn't work reliably, not just losses but time and destination errors.
Additionally because it's "grimdark and corruption everywhere" even if the supply system would be functional in ideal circumstances, every step of the way theres a corrupt X or a chaos Y or a genestealer Z aiming to disrupt it.
Timmy's spleen: **exists**
Majorkill: **[revs chainsword with malicious intent]**
Poor Marneus has survived so many things, him and Dante might as well end up becoming buddies who get into the stupidest shit just to try and get killed already.