Fixing Star Wars Will Require These 10 Things
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- The TJCS crew discuss the 10 things John thinks Star Wars needs to do to fix its current struggles.
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John, I hear what you are saying and I 100% agree with all your points.
But I don't think those "p*ssies" or "man childs" that dislike the new female protagonists hate them because they're women. They hate them because they're characters that are neither interesting nor relatable.
We can relate to someone like Leia, Ripley, or Sarah Connor because they all overcame struggle, personal weakness, and became stronger through the art of natural storytelling. They were also allowed to show their more softer, nurturing side that a lot of women can relate to.
When you have characters like Rey, Helena Shaw (Indy 5), She-Hulk, Captain Marvel, Reva, or Sabine on screen, they come off as wish-fulfillment. Like to showcase that women can do everything better than men and go through little-to-no struggle to get what they want. Which isn't the best way to get your male-dominated fan base to like your characters.
You may disagree, but this is just my view point.
I would've liked these female characters a lot more if they had more characteristics outside of always being brave, stoic, or physically capable.
Great points, and well said!
Sarah Connor and Ripley are played out examples. Try Maarva or Dedra.
The whole "incels hate women" argumentation quickly falls apart when you look at other shows or films that have female protagonists like House of the Dragon etc. Did the women hating men suddenly decided to collectively take a break on that one or what?
The problem isnt that they made a lead a woman or gay or a minority, but that this seems to be the sole goal instead of making compeling plots and characters.
to think their motives are anything but financial is naive & absurd. representation isn't the problem, it's just a scapegoat used by those who don't have the capacity for intelligent critique.
@@davidletarte214 listen to the cast and director interviews of the shows. representation is all they talk about.
Star Wars has no leading gay characters. Andor has two gay secondary characters and Acolyte has two gay tertiary characters. But as for characters being women or minority, I don't understand why people think that's the sole goal? How does that work? The race or gender of a character does not affect the creation of a plot or story. So therefore they can't hurt the plot and characterization. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that they're just throwing in minority/women characters in for the sake of being there.
In Acolyte, all the characters seem to have necessary roles in the story. Mae is the sibling turned to the darkside. Osha is the former Jedi who has left the order. Sol is the noble older Jedi. Yord is the younger and more rules based Jedi. They all have roles in the story that are far beyond just their characters race or gender. I think it's fair to say any of these characters didn't click with you - I don't know if I like them myself. But I see no evidence that the point of any of these characters is just to be a minority.
@davidletarte214 it's fine to have financial goals as a motivation for diversity, but diversity alone doesn't make a great show. So many of these dud Star Wars shows just have such poor quality control when it comes to logic and story that it seems the writers and producers take a vacation as soon as casting is done.
"The race or gender of a character does not affect the creation of a plot or character" False. With many of these newer Star Wars shows, you can predict with 100% certainty if a villain is actually a villain or a misunderstood anti-hero based on race or gender. I already knew, for example, that Mae would start fighting for the good side and would not stay a villain. Same with Reva ultimately going after Vader. These story decisions are predictable which is bad writing.
What i find annoying is when there is lazy writing that immediately tells us “this is a strong female character” and they jist keep repeating that over and over. Edge of tomorrow is a great example of having a strong female character well written.;
How though? What about Mae makes her strong? She's a character who is being manipulated the entire time and hasn't managed to actually win a fight fair and square. I don't think Mae is a very complex or interesting character but I wouldn't label her as a "strong" character and I don't see how her gender is relevant to her character either.
@@datguy3581 what are you talking about. Im saying the characters are poorly written like mae. I said rita from edge of tomorrow is s good example of a good character. I only brought up gender because the showrunner keeps talking about how strong the women are in this show. It is trash. Did you even read my comment?
The issue with the whole "stop putting gay women in leads" crap isn't so much the fact that there is diversity amongst the characters, it's that the writers are prioritizing messaging above story. People wouldn't care about gender or race in lead roles if the stories were good (i.e. Myles Morales in the Spiderverse, Furiosa in Fury Road, Jin Erso in Rogue One, etc.) Pay attention to the tales you tell first - casting is secondary.
Uh, they very much did complain about those characters
Pretty sure the midichlorians are not the force, but rather conduit for the force to communicate with us
The only people I've seen complain about midichlorians are people who don't understand this.
And yet they making Rey movie.
Horrible idea but will see how it’s received
Well she's the obvious choice for a main character in Ep. 10 if they wish to have a story about rebuilding the Jedi Order as she's pretty much the only known Jedi that is still alive at this point. I can't think of anyone else that's still alive post ep. 9
Replacing Kennedy is the important one, because without that, no changes will be possible.
Let me know when that happens.
Agreed. I think a lot of the residual issues that EVERYONE has with Disney SW, starts and ends with Kennedy. Start at the top.
Which has been 10 years and still nothing. She still president of Lucasfilm. Nothing change.
Exactly, you can’t take what is essentially a boys brand, in the main and make it solely for girls, not even the girls want that. By all means put more female leads in there but not to the exclusion of male leads. But more importantly write likeable characters with relatable human flaws.
"Why are we doing this Boba Fett show?"
Because Boba Fett riding rancor, obviously.
I swear two 14 yr olds in a weed session in 1997 came up with that. "What's the most awesome thing that could ever happen?" "Boba Fett riding a rancor!" "Yeah, they should make a show about that."
I love the Knights of the Old Republic game. That’s the level of quality we need
Same, but let's get a decent few shows or movies in a row to build momentum
Star Wars has been on a rocky road. But it’s never too late for Star Wars to rebuild itself.
I don't think fans appreciate when the modern protagonist, or the modern show, takes a dump all over the original heroes. They should fix that, and yeah, get away from the same places, people and era.
I can't wait for the next trilogy where Sary Mue defeats the 3rd order and their giant circular lazer weapon.
Get rid of Kathleen Kennedy, Get rid of Kathleen Kennedy, Get rid of Kathleen Kennedy, Get rid of Kathleen Kennedy, Get rid of Kathleen Kennedy, Get rid of Kathleen Kennedy, Get rid of Kathleen Kennedy, Get rid of Kathleen Kennedy, Get rid of Kathleen Kennedy, Get rid of Kathleen Kennedy. My top 10
Nah, they should have gotten rid of Lucas after ROTJ and put Kennedy in charge then and there in the 80s
The midichlorians were force sensitive microbs that gravitated to force users, the little tracker device that the jedi used was able to identify them and sort of figure out who was force sensitive. Nobody said they were the force.
The OT crowd wants EU (heir to the empire/ thrawn/luke skywalker/mara jade).The prequel crowd wants filoni verse ( anakin skywalker/ashoka/ezra/clone wars). But somehow Disyney managed to mash some elements of it and create something 2 generations don't like. What the hell is rey palpatine/skywalker?. They lost 2 generations,. let's see if they can get the current one. The power of one....the power of two......the power of mannnnyyyy!!!!!!!
At this point, I don’t want them to touch the EU or Old Republic … I have no faith in their ability to make good projects
The real question is, how much star wars do we really need? Like there is no forward looking narrative. The main events have happened.
All this is just sandwiched in between
dude these are all good points but you are essentially just saying that they should make it good next time haha
Well, generally speaking they haven’t been doing a really good job.
Perhaps it’s time for a fresh start, lessons learned and all that jazz.
Fans have absolutely brought their own political and moral views into Star Wars at times, but to imply that Disney and the show runners don't is just crazy to me! If he is going to call out fans, he should call them out as well!
I have never understood the backlash for midichlorians, in the original trilogy it made sense for it to be this mystical thing because the Jedi were gone and pretty much seen as a myth or just never existed as according to characters like Han Solo. But in the prequel era, Jedi were everywhere and were a major part of the republic and the society of this universe, so of course they'd try to understand what their main source of power is with the resources they had. Also the midichlorians aren't the Force itself but simply help connect us to the greater Cosmic Force and help guide life, which is an excellent idea, shows nothing in this universe is at random as many in our own world like to think
Because no one is allowed to be special anymore. Everything is equal. There are no more birth rights, important family names, or inherently special qualities in this Universe.
@@JR-nq7mc Good. Everybody being connected to the Force and being guided by it is cool
@@studior2962 If you says so.
You can't possibly think entire civilisations would forget basic scientific principles like midichlorians in 50 years. That's pretty much the time between return of the Jedi and revenge of the sith
@@remyd8767 No only 20 years past between the ending of the prequels and the starting of Original Trilogy.
Kennedy's decisions and path honestly make me believe that she didn't even like the movies she was producing. Why else would your immediate goal be let's change, upend, and toss out the formula that created this unprecedented global phenomenon? She's an executive who likes to believe she is a creative, who also gets to explain away any blame or criticism of her widely despised direction by blaming the fans for not liking it. It's the toxic men (who bought you your second house) that are the problem, we don't need the legions of fans that put me in this undeserved position anymore. She actively dislikes the franchise and its fans, I believe she was put in her position out of a sense of obligation and not qualification and that she diminished a beloved franchise knowing she couldn't be fired. She knew that she could do whatever she wanted with zero pushback from the studio because who's gonna fire Kathleen Kennedy?
KOTOR got back to the glory of the original trilogy. And I would dare to say the cinematic trailers for Knights Of The Fallen Empire were prototypes for Star Wars COULD be.
SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE should be turned into a movie.
I love Shadows of the empire
I don't want THIS bunch to even touch Shadows of the Empire
John, if The Acolyte doesn’t improve in its remaining episodes could it be possible Disney give it a similar treatment to the Willow series, such as removing it from the platform?
No Star Wars much MUCH bigger and more profitable than Willow can ever dream of being.
I don't think it will do that poorly. Acolyte still could be a breakout hit in terms of viewership while not being very good in terms of writing. The average Joe doesn't really critically watch a show for quality writing and storytelling.
South Park was right
I like the Acolyte so far. I'm giving it a fair chance before I start dragging it. Overall I think they need to just make these projects with more care. I've found everything Disney has done very entertaining for the most part so I'm looking forward to seeing what they do next.
Jon Favreau to replace Kathleen Kennedy
Why do you want to demote him. LOL🤣
You may also need to remove Filoni since he is the chief creative officer.. while I’m with you on KK.. I would think there are others that are equally culpable
So pretty much all of these fall into the "get better writers" section
What needs to happen is the following:
1. WRITE A COHESIVE SCRIPT, man I keep saying this. Between the sequels, the embarrassment that was Book of Boba Fett and the first 3 episodes of the Acolyte...a movie or show, no matter the genre stands or falls by the strength of the writing.
2. Get more talented directors, if you can afford to throw 100 mil or more onto a show, you can hire a competent showrunner/director, let alone the multi hundreds of millions paid for the sequels.
3. Adapt the good stuff that the community actually wants to see and have asked about for years and years. Mostly more mature and thought-provoking stuff, examples of this would be Knights of the Old Republic parts 1 and espescially 2, the Darth Bane trilogy and the story of Darth Plagueis.
4. Less preachiness about social commentary. Having social commentary in the film medium is perfectly fine, but you want to show it, not monologue/preach it to your audience. For examples on how to do it: The entire filmography by Stanley Kubrick.
Having said that John, we also need a good series/movie from the Sith perspective. Not only will that deepen the universe, but it will even make the contrast between the Sith and Jedi even more apparent. Of course, would be interesting if there was any material to adapt on that front, now wouldn't it....
On a final note, please can we stop putting quip humor into everything? Star Wars is not the MCU and please don't try to turn it into the MCU.
100% agree. its needs to respect the fans and lore and must have no agenda driven storytelling
i agree with limiting the scope of how nig the universe can get . we dont want things to become convoluted and hard to follow(we need things to make sense)
why do the episodes of these shows cost so much ?? where does the money go??? like the visual effects and production look cheap.
“Why are you doing this show?”
“Because it has recognizable characters and we can sell a ton of toys”
“But what about the story?”
“What story?”
“Exactly…”
Right. I prefer Nerdrotic's plan to fix SW.
They intentionally destroyed the franchise and hired people who dont know or care about it, they just thought the the fans will eat whatever slop they put in the bucket.
I don't disagree with your points. I would say having a creator's room is an absolute necessity. They did it when putting the High Republic books together, I can't understand why they can't do that for shows and movies. I also agree with prioritizing movies over shows. Star Wars is best on the big screen. I also agree with new eras, but I would say it doesn't JUST have to be in the 50-500 years in the future, (though I would like that), because there's a 25,000 year history that is up for grabs. That's a huge sandbox that people can play in, and you don't need to connect those eras to the Skywalker Saga. You don't to show the 10x great grandfather of Admiral Piett. While I agree that the movies need to be epic and should have 3 main characters that drive the story, I don't necessarily agree that their presence must be felt in every subsequent story. They could be felt in movies/series where the stories line up. The galaxy is big enough that not everything needs to be tied together, and you have made that point once before. Maybe, they should set up some length of time where the movies and the shows they make are in that same era so that people don't need to keep track of what era they're in.
Real fans don't say they don't want women leads. We just want good stories.
I said that disney's problem isn't "wokeness", but some bad writing. And someone called me brainwashed lol
@@metallicnole4514 imo mostly everything has an underlying message in it. If you can tell right away thats bad writing.
The problem is that SW has been repurposed as a vehicle for pandering and virtue-signaling. KK wants projects that she can use to position herself as some kind of equality warrior in the industry, and the audience can smell it. They’ve fundamentally lost the trust of their main audience.
Lucas hired Leigh Brackett to write Empire, a pulp-fantasy author from the 40s, he didn’t hire the newest, trendiest writer in Hollywood. He wanted someone that understood this type of heroic, mythical storytelling…. We’re not getting that now, we’re giving the keys to the kingdom to people that should be writing American Horror Story or some high-school drama.
We need someone like a Del Toro - who understands mythology, and a project needs the time and detail put into it that Peter Jackson had with LOTR, or even George with the prequels. Thats the level of world building and creativity that SW requires.
It all feels poorly thought out and clumsily knocked together.
So you're mad that the Forced White Male Supremacy is over?
The fans don't care anymore. It's over.
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John is annoying as fuck, and obtuse at time, but THIS.... this is spot on
The first thing we need to do to even think on fixing it is removing Kathleen Kennedy out of the equation. She might be a good producer, but clearly she doesn’t fit with Star Wars.
Yeah Kathleen Kennedy not fitting with Star Wars is clearly why Rogue One & Andor were such disasters 😅
Star Wars is beyond repairing
Sith in the Acolyte John says no there is not. I just had to laugh when the "BIG BAD" says you can call me Sith. Hey John you where told.
Does anybody else but me think that not having John Williams is a problem ?
no. He is old and not immortal
@@bryansteele832 I mean his music. It was my only problem with rouge one and everything since! No crawl no epic music to put you back in the galaxy far far away.
@@korovamilkbar8527So when he dies you’ll just continually recycle all of his old music instead of using anything new ?
@@nathanthomas5133 I would use the themes and build around them in new compositions…. People still play Beethovens music and use it in films all the time.
Filoni and Favreau are part of the creative room. Filoni was already appointed as the creative head. He’s learnt his trade from George Lucas during the Clone Wars series.
Filoni signed off on this project’s storytelling … maybe he isn’t the savior we all hoped he would be …
I'm black/African American and I am all for diversity in Star Wars (and Marvel and for all TV series and films). That all being said, I and most (NOT ALL) Star Wars fans who are complaining about the push for diversity in SW by Disney ARE NOT complaining about the diversity itself, but are instead complaining about (a) the execution of the diversity (b) how those diverse characters are written (c) the hand fisted/forced shoehorn real world social political message into SW and (d) Disney trying to make SW more appealing to girls by increasing the number of female characters and focusing more on the existing female characters (as well as retelling past events to show the female characters being more prominent and seeing more combat then what they were originally shown doing). While I wouldn't go so far as to say that Disney trying to turn SW solely into a girl brand like some on CZcams have said/theorize, I will say that they are trying to make SW equally both a girl and boy brand. The problem with that is that SW has (and most likely always will be) a boy brand that appeals MAINLY (NOT SOLELY) to boys. And while there are definitely girls and women out there who love SW, MOST (AGAIN, NOT ALL) girls women DO NOT like or care about SW. Just like MOST (NOT ALL) boys/men don't care about Barbie (which is a girl brand). Imagine trying to take Barbie and trying to make it more appealing to boys. It wouldn't work and it would (rightfully so) piss off the female Barbie fans and might drive them away from consuming all Barbie products. Just like trying to make SW more appealing to girls has pissed off and driven away many male SW fans. The honest truth of the matter is that for the most part, boys and girls like different things and genres. Like Kendrick Lamar said to Drake in his recent diss track, they're not like us (and vis versa).
You nailed it about starting from a dramatic point and then layering other aspects. The original trilogy was based on universal myths. The core of the story was a drama about one group of people.
I really like your point "Why are you doing this show?" It's like asking Sony why they made Madam Webb. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the answer was, "We have the rights to the IP so we need to do something with it every now and then to remind everyone it exists." They definitely need a new passionate and creative team with a leader that has a strong long term road map for the future that makes sense to save Star Wars.
They should create a sub-universe like DC did with the Batman, joker, penguin. A universe with a vibe like Rogue one and Andor. An adult and more serious spinoff universe
I think, as of late, even though Disney actually magnifies this theory, but the "toxic fan base" feels at least 90% more united on demanding quality of show than whether or not there is diversity. Not a blip on the diversity of Rogue One, and that's because it was great.
Choose someone who likes and respects "Star Wars" and George's vision. And who adds to it instead of undoing all the good of the original characters just so Rey can have a story. Stealing from and demeaning Anakin, Luke, Han, Leia, and Chewie was KK's first mistake, and she's learned nothing.
Isn’t it just time to admit that actually the way to save/preserve Star Wars is to just give it a rest.
Right now, you have the kids who loved the OG making the new shows and essentially doing million dollar fan films that become so narrow minded that they only ever appeal to the smallest group of fans.
Star Wars success since Jedi has always been in its brand, its iconography and marketing it. It’s not about telling brand new stories with brand new characters because what new character will be able to sell as much if not more toys and merchandise than Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker?
There is just one thing that someone needs to do to help Star Wars, and that is to let it rest until people forget about it enough to want to revisit that universe.
The Acolyte is a nickelodeon show, thats what it feels like
Good list. I would add one more thing:
Make your marketing properly reflect the mood, tone and concept of your series/movies.
I feel like LucasArts often sells their shows/movies on an idea that is never accurately conveyed in the final product. For example: Boba Fett trailers were all built around selling us on a "crime boss" storyline, Acolyte was marketed as a show about the dark side of the force and Obi Wan was sold as a dark, emotional story about one man's internal struggles. In the end, what we got was never reflected in the material.
Yeah. I think that building up false expectations for projects really hurt a lot of these. I think some of them would be better received if they had properly set expectations.
John doesn't get it. Disney already fixed Star Wars. It's exactly how they want it to be as it is now. It was broken before Lucas sold it. (In their minds) I wait for the day John gives up on Disney Star Wars and overcomes his cognitive dissidence as to Star Wars. He will feel better when he just doesn't care anymore.
"You know, hope is a mistake. If you can't fix what's broken, you'll go insane." - Max Rockatansky
This is how you give criticism of a movie. Giving legit readons why, without all the rage bait and anti everything
💯 agree with #3…I’m so tired of going backwards when we should be moving FORWARD
I feel like moving into a new era is less important than doing something new. Acolyte is in a new era. It's 100 years away from any Star Wars movie. But it doesn't feel different. Andor is in a time period in Star Wars that already has other shows covering it and it feels very different. I think that doing something different and moving to a new era are two very different things.
whatever their direction they are committed to this Rey character and the problem with rey is she's a human cheat code and her lack of humanity makes her a difficult watch.
I continue to say this… but Star Wars, of any fictional universe, has some of the best potential for amazing, creative storytelling, based on what has come and where it could go.
Prequel Era: Jedi rule, galaxy spanning adventures
Original Era: Empire rule, backs against the wall adventures
What I WISH they’d have committed to in the Sequel Era… Rian Johnson’s idea of Ben and Rey leaving behind the Jedi and Sith altogether. With force sensitive people out there still. This would have led to…
Sequel Era: No Jedi, no Sith, only crazy fun rogue adventure stories where you don’t know the stance of force sensitive users and what they can do or are capable of, adventures.
Imagine if they did each film series that centered around different worlds building up to one big baddy, where we know at some point we will have the worlds come together to beat the big baddy.. erm, sounds like it worked well for the marvel universe. I think that would be amazing.
I certainly agree with some, if not the majority of your ideas John. Speaking only for myself, I grew up watching the original trilogy on VHS, dozens and dozens of times until the tapes wore out and had to get more! This is before the movies were re released in theatres in ‘97. With Star Wars, Luke Skywalker was my absolute favourite character! I waited over 30 years to see my hero back on screen BEING the hopeful Luke, The Jedi Master, REBUILDING the JEDI. Instead we got what we got in The Last Jedi. Imagine waiting to see your hero come back after decades of nothing, and we get a disgruntled old man betraying everything he stood for? I get there are fans of The Last Jedi, but you cannot dismiss the fact that that movie fractured the fan base. NOT the fans themselves. And when we finally got that Luke that myself, and other fans wanted, it was the season finale to Mandalorian Season 2! So ya… I want to see more of that Luke. I wish I had my hero back and still a part of the future era of Star Wars. I am mainly speaking for myself, like I said.
What do you think they did with the High Republic John? They did this , they got a bunch of creatives in room to start a new era and look how that has turned out.
I would argue it isnt the fans projecting politics on the franchise but rather the franchise projecting its politics on the fans at the expense of quality production, storytelling, and acting / directing.
😅😅😅😅watch the whole video
Well put. I didn't like Mando season 3 or Boba Fett, I won't deny, partly because the heroes were sidelined for female side characters which is tedious but even with that aside, they were poor seasons of TV. Obi Wan is a good example of a show about Obi Wan but then you push another character to lead who is badly written because they want the person to be evil, but equally reedeemable but also you should think she's a bad ass... and so on.
Rey is badly written because she can't flawed and yet we're meant to see her in the same light as Luke in ANH.
That’s bullshit, and you should know that. Watch the video again.
@@AidanFoley-gh8gu In what way? He made a point and I disagreed with that point which does not mean I disagree with his other points otherwise I would have commented on those as well …
For a Bonus : #11 A BANNING ANY EMPLOYEES OF ENGAGING ON ANY POLITICAL BACK AND FORTH ON ANY SIDE
The Last Jedi..."WAH, WAH, WAH!" You forgot that one JC.
Hunt for red October criminally underrated movie. One ping one ping only.
You are correct sir
@@lordrayden3045 if it's on have to watch it
Great list. I really agree with leaving mystery for things like the Force. Some things just are in a fantasy. The fun is talking about it with everyone having their own theory. Explaining in detail something like The Force takes away that fun and probably 90% of people think their theory is better than the new explanation.
I've been complaining about the short episodes/seasons for years now as have others. It's clearly holding these shows back, on top of everything else. D+ is the only streaming service committed to short-changing their customers with half-assed movies they've cut into 6 parts and just called it a "show." No other service is doing that which honestly puts D+ on the lower end of the spectrum in terms of quality.
Yeah but good lord, if a 30 minute show is costing them $22 million, they're gonna double the budget if they make them the proper amount of runtime.
With that being said, these people are flat out stealing money. No way they actually spent $180 Million on this amateur hour trash. Bad sets, sketchy cgi, bad cosplay costumes. These eps look like they cost about Tree Fiddy and we didn't even get no damn Loch Ness Monster
@@stephensanders8572 I think those numbers are bogus and there's something else going on because there's no way they're spending that much money on a 25-30 minute episode. No fucking way. Some fishy accounting going on. They might be doing that as an excuse to NOT make the shows longer, but that would just be dumb. Like why would they kneecap themselves like that? So idk.
@@dariusdbbowser6329 like I said, these people are flat out stealing money
They have a creative board, which is basically the same as your creative room. They are just bad at their job.
I think your point about hiring writers with dramatic experience could easily apply to the MCU as well. No disrespect to this guy, but I have no idea why you pick Jeff Loveness, a guy whose main claim to fame is several episodes of Rick and Morty, to write Quantumania, allegedly a key film in your universe's narrative arc.
John I know you hate the prequels but it has made some of the best content for all of Star Wars
Good luck trying to convince lol
Grievous and Maul's character designs alone make the trilogy worth it imo. Prequel memes are also pretty cool.
The prequels are not perfect (the dialogue is pretty bad at times) but the story is awesome and those movies introduced amazing characters.
The Clone Wars was pretty good as well.
Kennedy is the greatest producer but she can't choose the right directer / writer. Hah?
We always hear "Speilberg says KK is the greatest producer of all time" but why does he say that? Well first you have to ask yourself what a director would want out of a producer and what a dire tor really wants is for the producer to sign the checks and stay out of the way of his/her directorial vision.
What you get with KK it seems that she picks the film maker and then gives them free reign as long as they adhere to her vision. Problem with that is what happens when you give a crap director free reign? You get $180 million dollars worth of crap (at least allegedly, no way they spent that much on Acolyte).
#1 Agree. #2 Disagree. I made a separate post on why. #3 Agree!!!! #4 Agree! #5 Agree!! I think they tried this with The Acolyte, but didn't have the writers to do it justice. #6 Agree! Please, no LOTR Fellowship of the Ring walking "adventures" #7 Agree!!!! I think the division of a series into short episodes to drag out the show is a part of the problem with The Acolyte. The why for Disney Star Wars is and has been money over everything. Disney Marvel seems to be there also after Endgame. #8 Agree! I could see a Sith evolution to a new faction. #9 Agree. #10 Disagree. The Force itself should be the center. Not Jedi, not Sith, the Force. This prevents the unrealistic binary alignment of only lawful good and only choatic evil.
Just seeing that poster with the purple lightsaber. Cool that they took something unique and gave it to the director lady’s wife who totally got that part on acting skill alone. Another SW win.
The number of fans who think everything is going alright and that they are still relevant is like the "This is fine" meme taken to the next level.
For the first time in my life I feel indifferent about Star Wars. I have loved Andor and I am looking forward to that. But other than that I’m checked out. I say this as a die hard Original trilogy and prequel trilogy fan. What happened to the magic? 😢
its needs alot more then 10
Lots of good points there John. I think by doing this, you get rid of the so called "political agenda " without even addressing it.
Sorry John, big time watcher of yours but you can't complain that the people "bringing politics" in are the fans. The writers, actors and showrunners are doing that. General Star Wars fans don't care about female leads and never have. The problem is the media is ABSOLUTELY playing up this idea to cover bad writing. "Oh you didn't like this show because there's a black woman in it" when the truth is we want shows that have more substance than "you should watch this show or you're a bigot".
Those things aren't politics
@@LorcanaControlwhat are they? lol
@@torenforsberg1 No one but perpetually online people know what those things are. Two of them are completely false, by the way.
@@torenforsberg1 I think the vast majority of issues are just around the quality of the shows, diversity or not. I don’t think most people really care about all the other discussions.
There is nothing wrong with female protagonists, they just have to write them well
The BIG difference between KKs old position and new position is as a producer she wasn’t making creative OR story beat decisions FOR her directors (Lucas & Spielberg), not on her successful movies at least.
It's been 5 minutes; time for John to move his studio again!
Well done, John. This is the best Star Wars take you have ever done. I agree with all these points. Excellent video, sir.
I would add that the sequel trilogy has to be taken out of the cannon. By all means, keep the Rey character, but her backstory needs to be reimagined.
if they just return to the "her parents were no one important" take and never mention the Palpatine one again I would be glad. The rest would just need someone to have a plan how to go from there.
When John mentioned Drama and Adventure shows… it reminded me of The Bad Batch season 2 and season 3. What a great show🙌🏻
Bad Batch seems to flesh out the world in a very nice way and do a lot of the heavy lifting for expanding the lore or at least bringing in aspects of the galaxy from the books and EU into the mainstream projects.
Great points here. I think 1. D+ Star Wars is an elevator pitch the show. Basic ideas not fleshed out at all. 2. Yes! Been saying for years they should move 100s years forward. 3. Midichlorians could be removed by the discovery of Jedi with a low count, therefore calling them to re-evaluate this theory. New discoveries in science rewrite previous understanding all the time.
They need people who care about Star Wars and the fans. And they need good characters for this future story. No future Acolyte. But good characters, like the ones in good stories like Rogue One.
Hi John, thanks for this video! I agree with all your points. I think Star Wars urgently needs a change in direction, back to the basics, and deliver quality. We deserve better.
I was ready to listen until you said there hasn’t been anything good since return of the Jedi and that’s where you lost me. It’s your own opinion. I completely understand. But ya there’s a lot of good points here and then there are some points that are just dead wrong. Honestly, I think it’s too late to fix the franchise. I think Disney has damaged it too much doesn’t matter what somebody does to try to fix it. It will never be good enough for Star Wars fans. Because and you’re proving my point here, there are fans that only love the original trilogy. Then there are fans who love 1-6 and then there are fans who love 1-9, and fans who love all of SW. No matter what you do you can’t win at this point I just don’t see anyway possible of pleasing most Star Wars fans. The Mandalorian seasons one and two I think was the last time everyone was united. Now I just don’t see it happening again sadly. People have already made their minds about Disney and SW, and won’t change it no matter how good it gets.
Media literacy is a big problem, he didn’t say that 😂
Give us a Knights of the Old Republic series - The Last of Us and several video game IP has shown us it works
There’s opportunity to flesh out Bastila Shan, and other iconic characters if done right
The UK is putting the US in its place with House of the Dragon - take notes writers ✍️
The way things are today, I wouldn’t dare to put KOTOR stories near Disney’s radar anytime soon. Let them give us a track record of great deliveries, and THEN open the door to develop KOTOR as a long running Disney+ show.
Even Poe was unplanned. He was supposed to die in the crash at the beginning but they just decided to wing it and have him be a bigger part of the story because JJ liked the cut of Oscar's jib. I'm telling you, the sequels were a flustercuck from the beginning. Not that keeping Oscar Isaac in the mix is a bad move, just that they had idea where they were going with this.
John I don't think Disney eill ever change from their path till fans just stop watching all together and they start losing their money enough to realize they are doing something wrong.
one of your best posts about Star Wars
Star Trek has more than just the Klingons:
The Borg
Khan
The Dominion
I'm not sure what disney can do. The sequel trilogy has 70% original characters and it sucked. While the Acolyte is 98% original, and it really sucks. Cherry picking canon isn't gonna save them if they can't write a decent script. I thought we had a chance with Mandolorian, but after season 3, I've lost faith they can right the ship.
I agree with everything you have stated, thanks John appreciate the video.
They need to do knights of republic or a new storyline period . Both the mandalorin and rey will bomb
There's a couple of the points I do agree with but overall I think Star Wars is broken because mainly of the fans the OG fans which make up a lot can't seem to get past the original trilogy so everything thats not about the originals are never going to succeed.
"We want new stuff" after that "where is Luke and the rest of the gang" is one of the main problems of Star Wars.
@@svenm4740 You say that but majority of the content that fans like are either a bit before, during, or 5 to 10 years after the original trilogy that's why most fans which are OGs can't get past the originals.
I think we need a Jar Jar Binks movie! I would love to see John eyes roll 🙄 at this announcement. Lol 😂
I agree wholeheartedly with point number 4. Form a creative team and plan out a long term story the same way James Gunn is doing with DC. This should have been what they did from the beginning.
Star Wars tough to write for. It seems simply but simply not easily. I've taken write class were we tried to write a one to two page treatment and I let me tell you it really eye opening. Star Wars is a combination space samurai, meet space cowboys, meets lord Voldemort and Top Gun thrown into it.
It may be tough to write for but not impossible. There's plenty of great star wars stories that have been told on both TV and film. @@HellBot-gi5si
You better mention sharmeen being a novice filmmaker as far theatrical and blockbuster films are concerned directing a fucking star wars movie a patty Jenkins would have been perfect but here we are
It’s been 47 years since the original Star Wars came out. Sadly, maybe it’s okay to let it go.
Never.
Growing up means letting go. I tried watching Revenge of the Sith today. It hasn’t aged well. The lightsaber combat is terrible. The dialogue and acting was trash. At the time I watched it in the movie theater and was BLOWN AWAY. Today I turned it off as soon as they wanted Anakin to spy on Palpatine. Star Wars will always be near and dear to my heart because it reminds me of my dad. But those all movies except for Empire Strikes Back and possibly Rogue One aren’t that good.
That the best answer.
It was great fun in its heyday, but that time has long gone. It was lightning in a bottle, something that can't or won't happen again. That doesn't mean you can't be a fan. People are still fans of bands and musicians from a certain time period, even though they haven't made any new music.
People should do the same with Star Wars.