Gaffer & Gear 267 - CineRags Muslin
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- Gaffer & Gear 267 - CineRags Muslin
In this episode I look at Muslin as a diffuser and review the CineRags inserts for the Aputure domes
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00:00 Intro
00:42 Back to Basics
05:13 Review - Krátké a kreslené filmy
WoW ! As a fan of your channel for years, I am honored and super excited to see our product we put so much love into on your channel. I am so happy you liked the product and I loved your insight you shared with everyone on Muslin in general. I highly recommend everyone give it a try as it is significantly different effect on skin and beauty shots. Yet it is just an option to try.....It's great to have options besides the included diffusion to try out and give the extra touch on the image you creating. Thank you so much for shining some light on our product. So glad you liked it! We are working on expanding the line to other lights soon! Urge everyone to stay tuned!! Thanks again Andrew!
Hey Andrew, do you have any UK distributors? Thanks
Are there plans to make these for other brands of softboxes? I'd love a few for my Glow units.
@@jclcreativephotovideo actually I have a spreadsheet where I keeping track of request and just today a few other people have requested glow versions. I do plan on expanding our lineup as time goes by. At the moment the next one to come is a 2’x2’ that will fit the Aputure F22 and many others as well
@@CineMilledUSA yes please. I throw Muslin on my F22c all the time cause they are to frickn bright at 1% in low light situations. (On top of the control grid, full diffusion, and black tape over some of the LEDs…). Can’t wait for the new Aputure Pixel panels coming out…. Better low end dimming.
@@nathanielrosa1 We do ship worldwide daily but CVP is our UK distributor.
When assisting in London in the eighties I worked with a well renowned food photographer. He used to burn a bunch of small holes in the fabric of his soft boxes with a cigarette (it was the eighties!) to allow a little hard light to escape and blend with the soft light to add sparkle to the food. Always back 3/4 of course to kick off the sauces and spritzed leaves. Nice break down and explanation as usual Lockie.
Those old stills guys (pre Photoshop and digital) had the best tricks. I knew one guy who had a library of artist canvases painted in different shades of white for bounce boards, he even had painted graduation on some for product reflections. About 40 different reflectors in total.
More than just talking about the product, I like that you've talked about the quality of the light and how the shadows are can be used as an appropriate "tool" to accentuate desired looks and qualities of our photographic subjects. In a 2-dimentional medium (as photography is) it's largely shadows that impart the 3-dimentional modeling that give form to what we're shooting. Thank you for all the information and knowledge base that you're sharing here.
Would love to hear more about the "why" behind certain lighting choices. Great work as always.
Bought a couple of these last week, only tried our the unbleached and I really like how it looks so far. Top quality product, hoping they make these for more of the aputure range (Nova 600,300) 2x2 flexis etc
You got it! As long as people keep buying we will be offering more sizes to fit more fixtures. Next up is the F22! 2x2 we are already working on it! follow us and stay tuned to our socials for when it's available.
You’re the first “CZcamsr” I’ve heard acknowledge free gear as payment.
Gerald Undone does this too! But Andrew here definitely makes it exceedingly obvious. Class act.
Next time someone mentions the "texture" of diffusion, I now know to ask whether they mean how it renders shadows on a subject's face. Thank you for this great muslin tutorial, Andrew!
Excellent demo! Love the explanation.
picking these up
Unbleached muslin in front of tungsten is one of my FAVORITE tools for beauty and interviews. Goodness does it give a great look. I keep a 4x4 of it in my kit at all times. It takes the edge off LED COB lights beautifully as well.
Beautiful light!!
Cinemilled products are the absolute best. Love the CineRags!
Love my CineRags!
The timing of this ep was perfect for me. Ordering as we speak! Cheers
Thank you!
Very helpful and detailed explanation. I wish you could do more on more diffusion material with examples like you did here. Amazing, thanks a lot for sharing
Beautiful tutorial on muslin. Just fantastic, as always. Thank you, Andrew. I may buy the domes just for the steal on these sized and precut rags! Amazing pricing.
And thanks for doing a little walk through of why the unbleached muslin is a nice alternative to regular diffusions.
I don’t know why I never tried unbleached muslin on a lite dome. Great idea really
So good I found myself asking that exact question....which is exactly how this product came about....one day I drapped my 6x6 muzz over my umbrella.....and thought......wait a min....
Are these examples with or without the inner baffle? How dense (or how many ounces) is this material? The muslin I buy at my local fabric store is pretty dense and I haven't been able to see the COB light behind it. Thanks for the review!
I had a job with an 8x8 grid cloth set up with two Nova 300s behind it. The DP said "I've bought a roll of Muz on the weekend, can we use that". Man this stuff was dense, I had to put an additional 3 1200Ds behind as well. It would have made a fantastic bounce.
The last feature I worked on we were shooting 3 weeks in a country town. The DP handed me a textile he wanted to use on the close ups, it had a beautiful subtle butter and magenta colour. But I had to make sure I definitely gave it back to him the night before we went back to Melbourne. When I handed it back I asked "what is this?" He said "It's the bed sheet from my accommodation"
We could of used a denser fabric in terms of the weave but my goal was to match the current "industry standard" muslin being offered in large sizes here in Hollywood. So what I did was go purchase some 6x6 muslin from TRP, Modern and LA Rag house (all leading suppliers to biggest sets in hollywood) I tried my best to match what they are selling. The reason is many poeple use x,8x8's from these places and I wanted to maintain a consistency from a large frame muslin to ours in the umbrella. Moving forward we might offer a denser muslin as a option for those using the 150 dome of 1200 fixtures that have the power to get thru a denser fabric.
one of my favorite accesories muslim diffusers
Delighted to see this review. Had wanted to get a bunch of these for myself and some other local gaffers here in Ireland, but the shipping from the US was crazy (if I remember right it was quoting me $350 to ship 8 pieces of fabric, whereas I got a full honeycrates beehive delivered for half the price? ). I'm hoping they'll end up in B&H at some point so the shipping becomes more manageable, because they look great. We work on a lot of historical documentaries here, and use unbleached muslin as a bounce often enough, so it would be nice to have a more direct source too.
Wow that's a lot of shipping
CVP currently have them in the UK
@@SachinParmar2014 Cheers for that. Turns out B&H have them listed now as well, but CVP would be significantly cheaper.
CVP in UK is our reseller as well as B&H.
Sometimes our website doesn't do great job at calculating shipping. I urge anyone to contact me and I can double check the shipping cost for you. I can assure you we are not here to make money off shipping....as that would actually keep people form buying from us! But we also can't absorb the cost of shipping on this product because as Andrew pointed out in the video we are cutting super close on this pricing as we are doing our best to stay competitive in this challenging market while still making everything ourselves by hand locally.
Would love to see a colour spectrometer comparison between unbleached muzz vs Bleached Muzz with a bit of orange dialled in to match the colour temp of the un bleached. I'm curious to see if the muzz can get rid of any nasty blue peaks in the colour spectrum that LEDs tend to have across the temperature range.
I did have a few color spectrometer readings/comparisons in my product video czcams.com/video/JFUOzrZiUqc/video.htmlsi=wDgJR79uuJ5wMDpk
That would be interesting, especially doing things like CCT&HSI colour matching vs XY colour matching. It would be interesting to see how closely I could replicate it with RGBWW vs RGBACL as well
I love muslins. sometimes, I double the muslins
Awesome review! As a thought, what might be the quality of light if you put the Aputure supplied diffusion first, then the Muslin on top? Would it help remove the hot spot while still giving off the quality of muslin? Obviously would lose output too but curious your thoughts on this. Or go bleached muslin and then unbleached on top?
These are my thoughts and people may disagree, but unless you are after the colour of the unbleached mus, layering it up just reduces unique shadow qualities, and you may as well just use the supplied diffusion. Especially as the muslin eats so much light level
@@gaffergear got it that makes sense. Could be a creative choice then potentially to layer for different shadows but keep the unbleached color 🤔 thanks again for your channel and knowledge!
So is this for use with the inner baffle or not? Assuming the test results at the end were without it?
The inner baffle will just introduce more softness. So if you are using the bleached mus (the white one) then all you are doing is eating up light level and in terms of softness you may as well have the standard diffusers on the dome and save your money. If you are using the unbleached mus with the baffle then you are introducing the colour of the unbleached mus.
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Can it work wif nanlite some ?
I'm not sure
Great and affordable products. So using a bicolor led at 4300K (with a a standard diffuser) wouldn't give the same result as bouncing from an unbleached muslim on a "forrest" scenario?
I didn't explain very well, I meant for bouncing sunlight..
Can you use it for other softboxes with the same size? Like a godox?
I don't want to answer that just in case I am wrong and you waste your money.
"muslim"?
Australian accent. It can be hard to distinguish between religion and textile
Fun fact.... Muslin, the plain-woven cotton fabric, is one of the world’s oldest cotton cloths. It gets its name from the city of Mosul, Iraq - where it was first encountered by Europeans - but the original fabric is believed to have been created in Bangladesh and traded widely in the Middle East before being further popularized in Europe.
MADE IN THE USA? hahahahaha! C'mon, Andrew, you're a smart guy. All the budget products on the CineMilled site are most definitely made in China. (Or Vietnam, etc.) The company would not be able to keep its doors open otherwise. Yes, the machined metal accessories are made by them, that's what they were first known for.
I totally understand why you would assume this. These days that is the case with so many companies. But in this case it's very much true. I started Cinemilled back in 2014 as a way for me to earn extra money (I'm a union steadicam operator here in LA). Quickly became much more that that. Just about EVERYTHING you see on our website is made by me and my partner right here 40mins from my house in Burbank, CA. This is far from a secret. As the shop appears in our videos and social media from time to tima and over the last 10 year many people have visited our shop and see the chaos of our creation process in person hehehe..... I wish many times that I would take the easy road and simply have my designs made overseas like everyone else, BUT..... I actually enjoy making things myself. Nothing beats the feeling of seeing a part that I probably pulled out the CNC machine myself being used on the set of the largest movies in hollywood or being used by some of my hero's Like Larry McConkey and others. Really fills me with pride and joy. I have made this irrational decision much to my financial detriment but nothing quite makes my day seeing products I invented, then made myself, packaged by my wife and my daughter shipped many times all over the world being used on large and small productions.
In the case of the CineRags, they are made by my best friends small family sewing business right here in downtown Los Angeles. I have known him for over 25 years and its a joy to finally make something with my best friend. His team of seamstresses are hardworking, talented and proud of their work. I have posted photos on my instagram of them being made and the ladies hard at work. Each Cinerag that is sold, helps not only my family, but friends family and his employee's family. I wish I could charge more as each rag is made with love and care with the best materials I could find. But ultimate I have to cut things close to reamain competitive for when all the overseas companies copy my idea and try to undercut me. I'm just out here trying to make a living for my family and provide useful well made gear for my fellow filmmakers. I remain an active steadicam operator and sometimes DP to this day. Feel free to follow me on IG @ m3pedro or @ cinemilled to learn more about the products I make and what I do. Cheers!
The only products of everything we sell that are made overseas are the plastic battery plates (v-mount/Gold mount) that can be used on some on the metal parts we make. AND the Carbon Fiber speedrail (made to our spec for us only). Everything else is made here in the USA. Our custom made ratchet straps and gutter hooks are even made in the US. By a family business in Oregon.
@@CineMilledUSA Thanks for the clarification.
@@alexiskobalt7450sounds like you owe the man an apology after coming in like that
This seems like just a furthering of the mythology of muslin. Why would Chimera/magic cloth or a grid colored the same beige and ivory as unbleached and bleached mus not simply better muslin due to their inherently better light scatter, improved transmission and no hard source seen through the diff? I have seen no explanation or side by side comparison between mus and other diffs colored the same as the natural material which would be useful. I like mus but it has always seemed to me a misunderstood totem in our industry.
partially because "no hard source" is not always inherently "better". It's just a different look. Sometimes the combination of hard source and diffusion is more pleasing, other times it's not. Is the sun partially obscured by clouds better or worse than total overcast, full sun, or golden hour? There is no correct way to light something, just different ways to sculpt to convey what you wish. Sometimes that's magic cloth, sometimes 1/4 grid, sometimes muslin.
Fair enough and valid points!
The problem with me trying to do any comparison of unbleached mus with any non white cine textile is almost nothing is available in Melbourne.
With the exception of unbleached mus, almost every other diffusion sold here is white.
It's such a small market that we lost our manufacturing decades ago, and no one is willing to stock any textiles they won't sell straight away.
In June I'm heading over to America for 2 weeks, and I'm very interested in seeing the textiles gaffers carry. Because despite being a gaffer for 25 years, I have very limited exposure to textiles.
@@gaffergear I'm hoping to offer other fabric varieties as inserts as well. I am currently researching which other fabrics we will offer. Of course we will also want to expand the line to other fixtures. next up is the F22 but I am looking at other softboxes from other brands as well.
@@CineMilledUSA Why not have a look at NOVA 600. The diffusion for their softboxes is just one textile which is quite a bit harsher that a S-60 with a Chimera on it for example. They definetly need softer diffusions.
@@greenscreenprokinorent6467 I definately take a look at that!