HWH SpaceMaker Winnebago Store More Flat Floor Rail Failure Due to Overloading. Note 500lb Limit
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- This is a warning to other HWH owners not to put to much weight in your storage compartments and overload the rail assemble the cant cause a lot of damage. So inspect yours before this happens to you. Link to The HWH SpaceMaker Dual-Cylinder Level Out Hydraulic Room Extension brochure with specs. hwhcorp.com/ml23564.pdf
I'm glad my kitchen is not on our slide. We do have storage on the slide, but on the inside it's just the couch and dinette. Thank you Kevin for another great video.
Having had the part that is bent on this RV replaced three times in less that two years it was nice to see a lot of information on how it works and how it fails.
The first time ours failed, we paid HWH to repair it. They only replaced the bent part. This part failed again in a couple of months. This time HWH replace the bent part again, at their cost. It failed again in only a few months. This time with the help of an HWH troubleshooter, the whole system was replaced except for the hydraulic cylinder, and it has been working well for the last four or five years. HWH paid for the whole system and paid a combination HWH/Winnebago dealer for the cost of replacing the whole assembly. We were thankful for the help of the HWH troubleshooter and the dealer who did all the work.
Thanks Kevin for making this video. Hopefully it will help others with the same issue.
Thank you for contributing Paul.
Good info Kevin, NEVER overload your slides or your RV !!
Ouch! You sure get into the nitty gritty of things! Thanks for sharing Kevin.
Great job again Kevin. You need to open your own RV repair shop.
This is exactly where my kitchen slide is heading. I have quite a bit more buckling and bowing than you do. I am parked until 1 Oct here at our Elks Lodge campground so this is where it is gonna have to be done. Anxiously awaiting your repair video. Thanks Kevin
Forgot to ask the all important question. Approx how much in parts so far?
Very informative Kevin, bet a whole lot of people are adjusting their load plans. looking forward to the repairs.
As am i.
Kevin - Thanks for being brave enough to tackle yet another issue with the HWH Flat Floor system.
As you & I have discussed in the past about this system - it is unbelievable the extent they (and I assume Winnebago) went to in order to simply have the floor drop down ~1 1/4". They came up with an extremely complicated (yet fragile) ram system to perform the last second drop down that was never designed to be worked on. Just look at how difficult it was to replace both the angled sliding blocks as well as the small, rectangular nylon weight bearing blocks on the arms themselves.
Secondly - In addition to the above - they designed this entire slide out to ALSO have to carry a large amount of weight, due to all the inside cabinets, furnishings, and 3 large storage compartments underneath. Of course people would load those up as they are some of the largest compartments on the entire rig. You can only scratch your head and say "What were they thinking"?? What BAD design!!! Would have preferred separate permanently mounted basement compartments, even if hard to access with the slide out. Even worse - I have found the 1" drop down totally useless. The flat floor served only as a marketing technique that is really totally without any real value to the owner. Would have preferred just a straight in/out slide like we have in our BR. They do not drop and it is not an issue or problem.
In my model 37b we have the same long flat floor slide out, but without any of the kitchen on it - just the couch and the dinette. But we still have lots of inside cabinets we can load up, the storage compartments under the bench dinette seats, and the same 3 basement compartments. We changed out our the floor after the glide rail became the "tear it up" rail and starting grabbing and ripping up the carpet it was supposed to glide over. Installed vinyl plank flooring before realizing how critical that carpet was in creating a gliding surface to the slide as it comes in. And in our rig you only see about 16" of exposed slide edge - which drops down under the dinette. It would have been no problem if that never dropped down if we could have gotten a simpler, more reliable slide out system. They should have designed this using the KISS method.
BUT - as they say - it is what it is. And thanks to you and your work you have helped many to understand and work on this HWH slide out system. And this video will certainly will help encourage me to totally unload the 3 basement compartments before I move that large slide in or out again. The less weight on it the better.
Thanks again for tackling this issue! Look forward to seeing your next video on this full repair.
As always you had great commentary, I wonder if we could convert to the old style straight in straight out style?
My Newmar only the slide moved out. The basement storage was supported by the chassis. I still tried to balance the weights and store low usage items on the slide side.
Just found the booklets, Power Gear, Fleetwood Motorhome slide -out systems operations manual: part no. 82-S0010-10 (4/18/99)
I guess this type came out in the 2005 model year,I think it is a maintenance headache.
Wow. Looks like mine....500 lbs ???
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this mechanism uses the flipper being held in to slide the outer tube up the ramps before unlocking in the up position when retracting the room. Based on that, and using the max weight for one arm 500lbs an a guess of 30 degree ramp angle on the hopefully Teflon slide blocks I get a best case 316 lbs force on the ram, and 636 lbs worst case. All of that force is applied to the flippers, which have to pull the outer tube up before they release into their windows and lock the slide up. The inner tube is trying to rotate the flippers out with about 150 to 315 lbs of force, and the vertical side between the ramps must hold that much spreading force 316 to 636 lbs. The support is not buckling from the weight, its being bent apart when there's too much friction on the hopefully Teflon ptfe slide blocks, raising the retraction force, and consequently the force on the flippers, pushing the ramp bracket apart. The flipper area needs to be reinforced on the ramp part
Please call me at your convenience I would like to discuss this design further with you 606-875-0125 Kevin
Hey Kevin, I just bought a 2004 Bounder 35E 8.1 Work Horse 13,900 miles, manufactured second half of 2003 in Riverside California, do you know what the slide type is?
Send my pictures to 606-875-0125 Kevin
That’s a mess