Chinese SUV passes absurd ANCAP 'submarine' test | Auto Expert John Cadogan
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It's a bad idea to break a window if you're trapped underwater in a car in Australia; it lets in all the sharks, the jellyfish, the crocodiles, the octopuses, and those deadly scuba-diving Drop Bears. 🐨👀
Sure just wait for the titan to show up to rescue
You’re missing out not having a “smash glass” hammer coming with your vehicle purchase. I had one come with my New Holland T6060 tractor with a decal beside showing how to use said hammer.
This is a step up from my older tractor which only came with the advice in owner’s manual to leave sunroof open when crossing frozen lakes. Not too many frozen lakes in South Gippsland but you never know when the scenario might crop up.
All thanks to mythbusters testing how to escape from a car thats under water, of course in Australia its more of flood water that takes your car and at that point you have other problems too , but in US east coast is swamp land from south of NY to Florida and continues to Texas, it would be like whole east coast of Australia was just swamps , because US and Australia are about same size , US does have Alaska so its bigger. You have more changes to drive in water in east US than anywhere else.
Comes also to that 1/3 of all interstate bridges are over aged, build to last 50 years in the 1950s, those can collapse anytime, then again 100 ft drop to a river, your done.
“Might crop up”
Farmer humour ?
The last time I drove a cab tractor it came with the instructions, "Don't come back till you finished the scarifying."
I have a magic hammer specifically made for breaking car windows. It's just a little plastic hammer with pointy metal ends and costs a few dollars at places like Supercheap.
I have subsequently found (not by personal experience thankfully) that they're practically useless once the car fills with water because you simply can't swing the hammer hard or fast enough under water to break a window.
I still carry my magic pointy window breaking hammer though ... as it might come in useful one day when a sleep deprived parent leaves their kid in a locked car in the supermarket car park on a 30 degree day.
Incidentally ... trivia for today ... the most effective and reliable way to break a vehicle window is an automatic centre punch! :)
An automatic centerpunch works under water.
The hammer could be handy in road-rage defence situations :) ... A defensive weapon, not an offensive one ;)
The glass braking hammer probably will be in the tool bag located in the boot under the space saver spare wheel if it has a spare space saver wheel .it might be an optional extra because you got the glass braking hammer.
Please refer to your owner's manual to locate the device. Before operating the hammer, refer to the section titled "Maritime Emergencies". Note: Breaking glass results in the particulate emission of silica based matter which is known to be harmful to human health. Refer to "Hazards Involving Submarine Evacuation" and carefully follow the instructions under subtitle: "Avoiding silica particulate matter ingestion" to minimise ingestion. Please note that for those that already have a respiratory illness and are unable to hold their breath for extended periods, a suitable mask maybe purchased from your dealer as an option. Please read the instructions on the mask's packaging before use. China car will not be held responsible for inappropriate use of PPE.
Before exiting the vehicle refer to "Hazards involving Submarine Evacuations", subtitle, " Timely Egress". It is important that expedite you egress from the sinking vehicle in a timely fashion. The atmospheric pressures that one may be subject to at depth maybe damaging to human tissue and potentially harm you.
Similarly, a sudden reduction of atmospheric pressure may cause nitrogen bubbles to form in the blood stream which may also cause harm. Refer to "Maritime Emergencies", subsection, "When and When Not to Exit Vehicle", in your owner's manual, for further information with regards to this.
In some regions, other hazards maybe present such as extremes of temperature. Refer to "Hazards Involving Submarine Evacuations" subtitle "Egress and Water Temperature"
for guidelines. Note: Your vehicle is fitted with a thermometer but this may not work following a collision. An optional spirits based thermometer is available at your dealer.
Notable amongst other hazards, is marine life that maybe present in your region. The presence of crocodiles, alligators, jelly fish, sharks and other marine life can be dangerous to humans. Before exiting the vehicle, refer to "Maritime Emergencies", subsection "marine life", to determine if this is a risk to you. An optional spear gun is available at your local dealer.
If your vehicle is an EV, high voltage, stray electric current maybe present around your submerged vehicle. This can be hazardous to humans. Please refer to "Maritime Emergencies",
subsection, "Electrocution Risks", in your owner's manual. A Faraday cage is available as an option at your dealer.
It is important to keep your passengers safe. In the event of a maritime emergency, make sure that you are able to refer your passengers to the owner's manual, quickly. It is in 28 languages and easy to follow, for this reason. An optional water proof owner's manual is available at your dealer.
For any questions regarding your safe evacuation, please contact your dealer.
Handy if you are trapped in the car! Maybe it should be mounted in the passenger compartment.
@@raytrevor1 Can't be mounted there, that's where the owner's manual is.
The Sarcasm is strong with this one.
Having a vehicle that gets slightly moist going through a puddle and then can’t open the doors or windows is getting more common, you aren’t likely to drown but it could get a bit more interesting if for example there is another electrical issue causing heat at the same time.
ANCAP is about as useful as Google's "fact checker"!!
So true. They suppress the truth and promote lies.
Apparently ANCAP's safety standards are about as relevant as Amazon's delivery estimates. If you lower the standards enough, you'll always meet them.
Cool. My 53 year old duo might get zero stars in most tests, but at least they'd both score 5 stars in the submarine test. Pressure equalisation in about a minute, maybe less, with water ingress through many unsealed joins. Wind down windows on all doors, and failing that, a rubber seal mounted windscreen you can quite easily push out, provided your legs still work.
I remember the Mythbuster's episode with door opening underwater with Jamie and Adam. It's doable by waiting for the water pressure inside the car to equalise with outside pressure. You just have find a pocket of air and time your exit to coincide with the last bit of air being expelled, take a breath then go for it.
And has apparently been used by people who watched that episode to survive such unplanned swimming trips, too, which is pretty cool.
Great if you are conscious.
Yip, good idea if you are fully conscious and haven’t gone into 100% panic mode. Must be easy to find and retrieve by the driver, my suggestion as part of the buyer induction test at the dealership the prospective owner must be able to locate ‘the hammer’ blindfolded ( to simulate being submerged in water)and demonstrate its correct use according to the operator manual before sale of this shit box.
@@tonynicholson3328 Well, yes, but that's such a Captain Obvious point. Being unconscious tends to limit one's abilities.
@@markh.6687 although being able to stay calm and think logically is quite a challenge for many even if they were only watching a challenging event occur.
My car is old - a Ford Falcon of 1997 vintage. Surprising no one, it didn't come with any glass breaking devices. So I bought one. It combined a glass breaker, seatbelt cutter, swiss army knife arry of tools and a torch. I love the fact it has all those features and I wouldn't be without it, but so far the only feature of that device I've actually used is the torch. Go figure.
I'm not opposed to the idea of assessing a car for it's ability to help the occupants survive in the case of an unplanned dip into the river. But it's trivial to buy items to help with that from a third party. And it's much more important (IMO) that the car has the structural strength to meaningfully increase the occupant's chance of survival in the event of a crash. So kudos to ANCAP for thinking about this kind of thing, but I really don't think it should have any meaningful influence on the car's safety rating.
We have one of these attached to our rear view mirror in each of our cars, just in case.
@@fademan77No offense, but that sounds like a terrible idea.
@@camberwellcarrot420 why? Easy access in the event of an accident. Everyone should have one
A few years ago I was a policeman. The unit I was with was given a window breaker/ seatbelt cutter. We had it mounted in the footwell on the passenger’s side of the transmission tunnel.
My concern then was that an arrested drunk driver would see it and use it as a weapon against me when transporting him to the station for processing. ( One man patrol, drunk driver rode in the passenger’s seat beside you, not in the rear seat behind you. In the days before health and safety went overboard.
We didn’t have it fitted to get out of our car in the event of a crash into water but to break into vehicles when someone was gassing themselves in the vehicle.
It was never used for this purpose in the time that it was fitted to the vehicle, the only time I might have used it, I just busted the side window with my torch.
@@fademan77 Just imagining that thing becoming a projectile in a crash.
ANCAP sounds a bit like the Heart Health tick - something that can be bought. I mean Maccas Aust managed to get one.
and the RSPCA one as well
I'm just wondering if the Cherry Shitbox could make it down to the Titanic, maybe ANCAP could test it for our entertainment. Even put some politicians in the Shitbox as dummies. The new submersible for the working class man. Love your work John.
You had me when you said at that alcohol level I couldn't even find the frigging car, 😆the ancap director should face charges of not providing for the safety of the consumer ,basically negligence
Poop colour is bad, but the pressure argument is as old as Methusalem, we learned the solution in 1970: wait till the pressures are equal, open door and get out? But I've fitted an open roof to handle that. Lost a cousin in a water car accident @32.. What we do need is crankable windows.
All, well most, cars used to come equipped with an underwater emergency escape system called a window winder.
In NZ to manage currency fluctuations, and keep the purchase price consistent, sellers would sometimes add or remove “features”.
I had a Peugeot 405 that had had electric motors fitted to the front windows. My thoughts on this were that if you are going to put motors on two of four opening windows common sense suggests that you motorise the rear windows so you can open and close them without turning around and/or contorting yourself (and control the kids) AND so you can open your window to escape if you find yourself submerged.
Providing a window hammer in a new car in 2024 (near enough) is an admission by car designers that they have done something stupid.
All cars should have manual winders on driver door windows.
I have a window breaking/seat belt cutting device in driver's side door panel of my cars. I bought then for around $10 USD. They can also be used to break the window of someone else's car that has been in an accident, has a child left alone, or a pet in heat distress. Also an effective quick access defensive weapon with its concentrated pointy tip. Takes up very little room, costs very little. I hope I never need it, but I like having it there.
The headrest in most cars can be removed and used as a spike to break windows.
@@supernova743 I like my $10 tool being so easy to access even when belted into the seat. Add the seat belt cutter function and quick access weapon and I think it's worth the money.
@@shattered115 do you think you can find if upside down?
@@seanworkman431 Maybe yes. Maybe no. It is kept very easy to reach. But if things go that badly we usually need help from others.
@@shattered115 I am trained to be able to help and I recommend it.
If ANCAP were a person, it'd be Mr Bean.
Rubbish - Mr Bean is a legend, and the hero just about 100% of the time.
If ANCAP were a person it would be Sarah Palin.
Nah, it's more like Joe Biden.
Giving too much credit here bro
Magic!😀
Come on, Mr. Bean,isn't that bad.😊
Sounds about as legit as the 5 ⭐️ food rating system
That star rating is about how clean the premises are, not if the food is any good. My mate works for Lancashire County Council doing it ( along with other food related issues) for years. He says he finds more dirty restaurants than burgers vans.
My minibus has these hammers as a requirement. They are mounted at the top of the pillars in little plastic clips.
I have often wondered what their point would be because if you manage to roll a minibus into a lake you probably have more to worry about than breaking a window - indeed you'll be hard pressed to find one which isn't already broken.
No requirements for rollover testing, side airbags, curtain airbags or anything else like that but you have to have these hammers and certain stickers like the ones to tell people what a door handle is...
This rather relates to passenger transport vehicles having to have adequate means to evacuate in case of fire or the doors being jammed etc.
@@beyondEV Indeed it does but how does that take presedence over basics like side impact beams?
Now John, I wouldn't say car makers won't stick it to anyone. I just watched a Louis Rossman video - some dude in 'merica bought a $63k Ford Mustang on which a (forced) firmware update failed, rendering the car undriveable. Ford 'engineers' didn't see fit to provide a facility to retry the update or roll-back to the 'last known good' version, but did helpfully, provide the number of a towing company..
Funny that a 1992 Ford Mustang doesn't have that problem at all. Almost as if cars are getting worse as opposed to better.
...so the MG5 must be pretty bad if it managed to score zero stars under that regime. They should include a glass breaking hammer to add a few stars.
Speaking of which, I remember Demtel selling those hammers in the 1980s and I thought "that's stupid, what are the chances I'm going to end up in a car underwater, and even if I did would I be able to reach it?"
Another great report John, you're the only person shining a critical light on this nonsense.
You need spring loaded glass breaker that is a key fob, except now there are so many keyless cars.
@@pavel9652 centrepunch works just as well anyway, can just mount one in the car somewhere within reach
Would that be a Chappaquiddick hammer?
EDIT: You’ll never guess what ad was played after your video ended. Why of course it was the ‘underwater hammer’ one. The ad where the underwater car rescue specialist had to watch a mother and child drown after plunging into water. How apt.
There is channel called "Adventures with purpose". They are using sonar to locate vehicles underwater, with bodies of missing people, all the time. Sometimes people were missing for years. So chances are small, but it happens. I think it is good idea to improve the test, but the point gain should be small so it doesn't skew the main part of evaluation, which in this case was brown.
Agree with all you say but what about modern cars (EVs particularly) that don't have a mechanical unlatch for the doors. One guy in the UK was locked in his car when the battery went flat. Would be great when it went into thermo melt down.
I'm pretty sure all cars have to have an emergency door release. Unfortunately, unlike on say a bus or a train, it's not in an obvious, well marked place, so I hope you've thoroughly studied the manual before getting in.
like the poor family in the US that were roasted alive in a tesla a few months ago
Yes the EVs always have some form of internal "emergency door release" but it is hidden and NOT obvious. Note whenever I buy a new-to-me car, if it has the owners handbook still, then I read it cover to cover. (OK skimming through bits of it).
@@KiwiCatherineJemma I have read that one of the Tesla's might be the 3 only has that working on the front doors not the rear.
@@Blanchy10 Yeah I could easily believe if government laws mandated that ONLY the front doors be openable. Given that the vast majority of the time, the vast majority of cars, are only being used as a one or 2 person conveyance anyway. But yeah I heard the story about some guy locked in his new car for hours, but turns out there WAS an emergency door release, but because he was a moron and hadn't read the owners handbook first, he didn't know about it. It was only by reading the owner's handbook that came with my car, that I discovered that the extra keyhole in the dashboard, is to allow me to insert the ignition key and choose to disable the front passenger airbag. (Why would you even WANT to do that ? I can hear you ask from here). It's in case a baby capsule type restraint is fitted to the front passenger seat (normally not recommended, but mine is a 2 door, 2+2 seater car, so if a baby capsule IS fitted on the front passenger seat, that side airbag can be manually, temporarily disabled. The things you learn from reading your car's handbook !
Every car gets a prize.
It only deploys if your name is Maxwell and it is silver.
the first time i traveled in an electric car (taxi) i asked the driver How do i Open the Door in an Accident/short circuit in the batteries, Well He Didn't Know.
Customers will be flocking to buy the Cherry to just have the hammer for road rage incidents 😉 Police Officer, it comes with the car….
I've had seven phneumothoraxes (collapsed lungs) and three times kidney stones. If you get the option, go with kidney stones.
What was the main reasons for the collapsed lungs? scary stuff.
@@RighteousBruce Spontaneous. During adolescence, elongation of the lung tissue develops blisters or blebs on the top of the lung that pop. Had corrective surgery on one side, then went through my back and affixed my lung to my chest wall with an acidic compound so when it popped again, wouldn't be lethal. The biggest danger isn't suffocation from the hole but rather internal pressure buildup which crushes your lungs, heart, etc.
@@RighteousBruce I hit a kangaroo on a motorcycle (
I was amazed at how fast a car stops, when it hits a big tree. The car was a 1965 VW. My crazy cousin and I were going uphill in tall grass, off-roading. Second gear, not real fast at all, I put a VW bus engine in a Slug-A-Bug, so there was torque. Someone had fallen a 150 foot fir tree, limbed it, and used it to block the road. We hit just about dead center, “a very well placed tree”. I think we rolled it that day too. That tree finished it off. I’m sure that tree did not move at all, so the little bit of crush was all that prevented “an instant stop”. We got lucky a lot, cousin Nels is gone now, I hope raise hell with him again.
Cheers, great listening to you, like my old friends. DKS!
"Red October assessment" was hilarious!
At last, a legitimate concealed weapon.
W000t! I'm safe, my 2003 Subaru with frameless windows is the safest thing ever in the Bourne underwater test!
The windows are notorious for not sealing at the best of times and often maligned for creating excess wind noise, even without the need for the driver to partake of macca's. Who knew it was a "safety feature"?
No differential pressure problems, no hammer required!
Can't wait for ANCAP's new AAPS (Alien Abduction Prevention System) tests
Awesome job John love your work
Okay, it's time we the consumers and users of cars fought to get ANCAP either no longer funded by our taxes or become relevant and useful.
Better yet, a campaign to get rid of it entirely.
We don't build cars here anymore, there's no point, just send a couple of Reps overseas, to oversee the Euro or US tests or wherever.
We don't have any special requirements for Australian car crashes, there's the same trees, buildings and cars etc, that everyone else crashes into around the world.
A complete waste of Australian Taxpayers money.
Yes, but that is not what people are into anymore. They want the results by at most complaining on social media
I did a major wiring harness job on a Hyundai the other week.
Surprised to find a glass hammer installed.
It was an excavator though.
Strangely though it would not have done you any good as the window has steel grates on them.
Reading this wondering where it was going. You didn't disappoint.
Why do we have ANCAP anymore? Straya gave up making cars so why do we bother. If it complies with Euro NCAP that should be sufficient.
How often does a person drown in a car? Only once...
The selling out of peoples safety is not limited to the car industry, its across all sectors now.
Especially the "health" sector.
Vin Diesel wants them to test jumping from one skyscraper to another before they can get awarded the 5 stars.
I wonder if ANCRAP would have given the Chery 5 stars if the magic hammer was conveniently located in the engine bay?
Saw Chery cars in Cartagena Columbia and in Mexico City. Mostly cabs! They are crappy little shit boxes when they're old. I worry about seat belt freezing up when in collisions.
Very interesting John. Maybe a Test ride in one might reveal the location and construction of said hammer.
You're talking Bullshit.@@doctorhfuhruhurr4380
This shits been going on for too many years in Australia. Rating system that gives five star rating to vehicals that in an impact will kill you, or at best seriously injure the occupants. But because of assistance systems that allows you to text and watch CZcams while driving gains it a maximum safety rating! There are a lot of cars with excellent impact occupant safety removed from Australian sale because added driver assistance for Australian ANCAP system is not fitted overseas ,and will inflate the consumer price too high by add it just for our market. Yet structural death traps get 5 Stars and are on sale in Australia.
In a world where the people don't fear the government, the people of ANCAP would be desert decorations.
Hey John, I would be keen to see your take on the Cummings Diesel decision
Hi John,
Out of interest, there have been 3 roll over partially submerged instances in the UK recently all in shallow water 2 or 3 feet 1 claimed 4 lives 1 claimed 3 lives and then 2 lives respectively, all from driver error or incapacity. so it was interesting to see this,
As someone who was responsible and accountable for risk assessments and implementation thereof have been surprised that so little has been done in the past, perhaps like the aircraft smoke hood case years ago when the airline decided it was cheaper to pay out on fatalities as it would cost more to equip the aircraft with smoke hoods due to low statistical probability, i.e. was not cost effective.
And I wonder if this is currently the in play with some of the associated risks with EVs as I cannot understand why they are being overlooked, like fire and very high voltages (800v) being a risk in crash situations, I have many years in the electrical power industry and know these dangers well, for instance my main concern is deep penetration and short to body of the battery in a side impact or from beneath, or tracking in a water situation.
Can any EV enthusiast inform me why these are safe in that respect as my knowledge tells me a different, I can only assume these risks are deemed acceptable.
If it is safe for vehicles with a greater risk of mechanical damage, why is it deemed unsafe in domestic dwellings at that Voltage?
Keep up with the critical analysis where its needed.
@lfitwirks in response to your question about effects on EV battery in a side impact. Battery is a byd blade, they crashed the car twice(!) and measured deformation. czcams.com/video/n2J0BVxt-rg/video.htmlsi=g7xSuTqpp5_1dc2K
@@mickjoebills Thank you for the links, they show 3 to 15mm deformation of the battery casing which would be in a safety zone most likely, however I found no mention of speed of impact and the results all very rosy, I went back and watched 4 times there is something very odd at the end post test, have a look again. I mentioned deep battery penetration by a metal object and short to body none of that was tested here.
@@Ifitwerks this is an industry standard test for cell penetration. The lithium iron blade battery fares well. czcams.com/video/CSGESKhtZD0/video.htmlsi=_WsL6SIS9rv6PYpw
They should have two scores one for structure and one for so called secondary "safety features" like lane keeping assist, etc. I just want to know how survivable the vehicle is in a crash.
Excellent work from ANCAP. Integrity all the way.
IIRC, Mythbusters tried the power-window water escape and found out that normal window motors are nowhere near strong enough to make that happen once water is roof-high. Imagine having to make window motors 5-10X beefier just for that 0.00001% chance that you may hit water deep enough for window escape to be necessary, still be conscious and in sufficiently good post-crash physical condition to get yourself out.
Then again, a few manufacturers have adopted laminated glass for door windows. If that becomes the norm, window hammers won't be anywhere near as effective and retaining working windows under all circumstances will become that much more important in case doors are jammed for whatever reasons, not necessarily submarine mode.
That's 'a pallbearer' behaviour from ANCAP and well said John.
Those mechanical latches may be quite welcome when your EV dies unexpectedly and you are "stuck" inside!
Hammer.... Sounds like a convenient road rage weapon
It's mostly plastic and weighs about 50grams - it's only glass breaking because it has a really pointy metal bit.
I think the word "hammer" invokes a lot more oomph than the reality has to offer. I reckon the car owner's manual is a far deadlier weapon than an emergency escape hammer.
Good luck with any of these light carbide tip hammer, especially under water.
I've tested these hammers on junk doors. The force it takes to break a window is crazy, the best tool is a ball peen hammer. I can only imagine using anything underwater. John is right with this bs...
Funnily enough I received not 1 but 2 emergency tools for my car for Christmas, cited by my wife as very handy should I drive into a lake or river. Now, I’m grateful for the present and concern for my safety but my first observation was that it seemed highly unlikely I’d ever need it. In all my years of driving, my concern for drowning in the vehicle has never, ever, crossed my mind.
If only the device was a little heavier then I could potentially use it in the case of preventing a car-jacking.
In the case of an underwater escape, Tiffany might save you by employing her chest-mounted flotation devices and ever so gracefully ascending to the surface with you in tow. Either way, a wet and wild time will be had by all.
Imagine hugging her afterwards thanking her for saving your life!
Brilliant report JC.. This is something I’ve questioned for years… Everyone needs to know this 🍻Thanks mate , much respect 🫡
The tray talk had me in stitches, thanks.
I thought that was the idea of the point on the end of the headrest post - breaking the window glass?
Well done as always, John!
Indeed Fred. I second your comment
That SUV sounds more like a Mobile phone with that name. Pro? Well, Tiffany may be one...
I may be wrong but I thought all head rest spikes had a point to smash the window with.
Urban myth. Have you ever tried pulling out the headrest from sitting in the drivers or passengers seat? It’s hard enough when you’re in your driveway from outside the car. The seat needs to be laid back usually to get clearance to remove it from the top of the seat. There’s zero way you’d get that out in an emergency.
@@TheWombat2012 I just tried it on both my cars, and you are right, only way is to recline the seat, and on one car you need power to do that. But sitting in the car I was thinking I would use the seat belt buckle to smash the window. But anyone that's got a Tesla that wont work, because they fit laminated glass in the side windows. One Tesla burst into flames and with complete power shut down he had to kick the window out, in the video you can see the laminated glass hanging down the door. Tesla do have hidden manual door release on the electric door locks, but how was he to know if he had not read the instruction manual, a lot of people don't, lucky he got out alive, 80 people have died in Tesla car fires.
Nothing surprises me I brought a Great Wall x240 new in 2011 , to find out all the gaskets the engine and exhaust system had asbestos in them , the only ones replaced were the exhaust under warranty, after 39000 klm it seemed to keep losing power fo I got rid of it , no more Chinese Cars for me on European or Korean., which I have had both.
What's that got to do with the price of fish? If your not dismantling it, then asbestos is not a problem.
Goon
I drive an older car because of the nanny state overregulation that ancap has brought.
I don’t need alarms going off regularly, the steering wheel shaking, the seat shaking, the car, refusing to go into reverse if the door is open (while I’m reversing on the boat ramp), turning off the radio when I put in reverse, setting off alarms, (Prado, many of which I don’t understand), the steering wheel fighting me if I forget to put my blinker on changing lanes, or while I’m pulling off the road, or swerving for an emergency.
Ancap is destroying cars. I think the most alarming part of this is that you cannot turn off the features that you don’t need, and the few that you can will reset next time you start the car.
As a result, I’m spending a reasonable amount of money keeping my 1998 Fairlane running. In a serious crash it will do worse than a new car.
It does everything well with a very high level of comfort. A number of the safety features on modern cars, such as higher door line for side impact and bigger pillars at the front also decrease vision, increasing the likelihood of crashes
I would like to update, and one of the very few cars that I’m interested in is the Ford Mustang. The Ford dealership didn’t have any last time I went to look.
It has a lower Ancap rating, which I see as an advantage. However, I still don’t know what nanny state features that will probably stop me from getting one.
Thanks John, for bringing these things to our attention .
I bet the special hammer is located in the trunk, properly locked up and safe from water. Love your dry humor.
*sings* we all drive in an ANCAP submarine, an ANCAP submarine, an ANCAP submarine
If the OEM can get a better score just by including a hammer instead of proper crash safety, that's an easy money saver. So they may be all for it, vs wanting to stop it.
When I was in my teens, high school, a friend took his mustang and missed a turn in an "S" curve and impacted an oak tree a few hundred years old. Driving to the hospital to visit the one person who survived, I drove right past the impact tree and didn't see even a scar on its bark. It was the point of impact for another major crash taking out my elder sister's friends, and another one a few years later when I was gone, on active duty. Most of the things one hits in a car crash are far stronger and more resilient than the vehicles or the occupants.
There was a curve on a road (Avenue "O", on the East Side of Chicago) that for years had a warning sign, complete with a skull and crossbones, reading "SLOW DOWN xx People Didn't". The "xx" number was updated from time to time, as more people speeding down the road totally Darwined because they didn't take the curve properly. The sign became history many years ago.
I deliver goods for the company I work for using a Hiace van. The bosses came to me last year with this little red plastic hammer (it has a steel point) and said we've been told you have to carry this in the van. So if I somehow crash through the steel bridge railings (and survive that) plunge 20m into the nearly dry river (and survive that) I can find the red plastic hammer in the wreckage of the Hiace and break the window. (assuming the crash has not already done that)......
I'll wait for the new model with inflatable buoyancy bags and periscope. I wonder if the lidar converts to sonar when fully immersed.
Waiting for ANCAPs ‘impact by 737’ test.
This is how my last relationship ended.....I didn't open the door for her. I just took a gulp of air and headed for the surface.😂
This is perfectly timed. You'll love Wheels latest article regarding ANCAP *shakes head*. Also, pretty interesting EV evangelizing.
Umm, at Repco NZ, "Boxing Day sale" which finishes in a few hours, they have those "safety escape hammers" on special for NZ $6.50. Includes seat belt cutter blade incorporated into the handle of the mini-break-glass hammer.
The problem with the safety rating doesn't seem to be so much with the testing itself, after all John is highlighting two areas where the results were life threatening.
The scores of 88% for Adult Occupant Protection, 87% for Child Occupant Protection, 72% for Vulnerable Road User Protection, and 86% for Safety Assist crash-avoidance technology are probably accurate.
The overall star rating is determined by a vehicle's lowest-performing category, which in this case was 72% Vulnerable Road User Protection, but 70%+ is considered five star - and that seems to be the problem.
It is a problem with any "overall score" which deals with specific areas, is 88% for Adult Occupant Protection more important than 72% for Vulnerable Road User Protection? Taking the lowest, the average or the highest to arrive at a summary is always going to be based on flawed logic.
Why would any safety body consider 70% as a mark of excellence?
Maybe a better rating would be to not award 5 stars but have the average, because 83.25%, although still flawed is much more reflective of the safety test results than 5 stars.
The submerged example had no windows left to hit the hammer.
Sometimes even very capable people get caught out in these scenarios. I recall in the early 2000s period, three Australian SASR soldiers were driving from a pub on the Victorian mainland, returning to the very spooky Swan Island where they were on a training rotation. They had been drinking, and were driving a rented Ford Falcon XR6. The car left the road on the breakwater, drove straight into the water in Port Phillip Bay. Not one of the operators were able to exit the vehicle and help their mates. I don't know if they were water specialists, but it can be assumed that they were strong swimmers with very decent survival instincts. Maybe the windows & doors locked up and they couldn't get out. They weren't newbies; it was a sergeant, corporal and lance corporal. Experienced dudes.
The next James Bond - in a cherry lapdance pro. :D
I know of one instance that happened a matter of days ago in the UK.
The guy was fording a river and the 4x4 was swept away by the current.
3 people died in the car.
Gosh it’d be nice to have a beer with you one day.
It is true that people dying in submerged vehicles is rare in the US, except in some regions where roads traveling across water or near water are common, like Florida and Minnesota for example. In a mostly dry place like Australia that probably seems much less likely.
Hammer's gonna work really well on tinted windows. Great job!
Speaking as somebody who's done the whole "under water" thing (albeit in a helicopter rather than a car), I gotta say that I'm in favour of anything that makes emergency egress easier.
I wonder if it'd be possible to design some kind of system that automatically shatters side-windows in the event of an accident, either by bending the window-runner or applying some kind of point-force to the window itself?
I figure it should be fairly easy to build a self-contained unit that lives inside the door and operates in a similar way to airbags.
Course, whether this is a problem that actually needs solving is open for debate.
Some people might argue it'd certainly save "some" lives but, y'know, it'd also save "some" lives if all cars were fitted with a detachable roof but there's no compulsion for car manufacturers to fit those either.
Just an idea for the automotive industry, why not have the doors operate via a mechanical handle, you know like 99.9% of cars have been made since the dawn of the industry, or a secondary emergency mechanical handle/button that overrides the electrical closure? It wouldn't be very difficult to do. It should be able to override the circuits either with or without electrical power being supplied, and easily bulletproof if done right.
It might save lives and those occasions where you get locked in or out of a vehicle.
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long as they don't hide it behind the door card
That was pretty damn good.
John, wait until a road rage incident where an enraged induvial does a Maxwell Edison silver hammer... OH MY...
What I need to know is if it will get me and my mates down to see the Titanic without imploding. 🤣
Anyone else hearing ‘The Benny Hill Show’ theme every-time John says ANCAP ?
What am I missing please, John? My understanding, now seemingly misguided, was that the lowest score registered in any category was the highest score that the vehicle could receive overall. So, if I vehicle scored five stars or maximum points across almost every category, yet failed to score highly in any one, then that was the five star rating blown. Please explain?
Go go gadget hammer!
That break glass hammer has me totally convinced in purchasing this vehicle ! It's that I simply don't recall seeing one in James Bonds Lotus and that's gotta be good uhha !
The glass breaking hammer in my latest car has been repurposed by its builder since all windows are now made of unbreakable laminates. It serves as the tiller handle for the emergency propeller which automatically deploys and activates when the AI water pressure detectors go to red alert. Safety First ! !
Thanks again...yea cheers, James.
Great video as always John. Just ordered myself an Olightwsrrior seeker2 to replace my now deceased surefire torch, used your code and saved $27. Thanks heaps I was going to order through Amazon but thought I’d support your work so you can get an affiliate payment 😢
The best place to store that haammer is on the rear parcel shelf. You'll be handed that hammer automatically in a crash. All ya gotta do is reach back and pick it out of your brains.
Here in The Netherlands, with all of our waterways, a life hammer is recommended by all safety experts, but of course not a safety requirement for new cars.
Your remarks are justified in my eyes - this is totally absurd!
We lived in Japan in the early 70's, my father was stationed there. There was a car manufacturer there called Cherry, they made cool little cars. Very popular there, of course probably zero safety rating compared to today's standards.
Sounds like the safety escape hammer will come in useful for road range incidents too
Does the window/door continue to operate during other types of accidents? I’ve heard of people getting locked in their EV’s when they loose power in other circumstances.
One of the items a pilot in a light aircraft is supposed to do before an emergency "crash landing" is to open doors to prevent them from becoming stuck during the landing.