Gordon Ryan vs Pat Downey Wrestling Match 2020
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- Gordon Ryan vs Pat Downey Wrestling Match 2020
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He seemed to recover from his debilitating injury quickly.
He wrestles
@@vortexpug he flops
Faked injury to avoid getting worn out in the bjj. Good for him but that's a rat move
@@LordClappy I mean the match did go on for like 17m... 10 more mins than a regular match and he did look very gassed.
@@LordClappyclearly you’ve never had a power half torqued on you
A lot of credit to Gordon for competing in a different sport
Wrestler wrecked him
@@Rob_2002_NCAA_Champion watch the bjj match made the wreslter tap to a half nelson
@@evanharral6001 so wrestlers are better at wrestling than BJJ guys and BJJ guys are better at BJJ?
@@luisalberto1456 usually how that goes
Evan Harral after 20 mins lol
This just shows you how different these two sports are wrestling and bjj. Very different but equally as important. Kudos for both guys giving each other the opportunity to step in their respective disciplines.
It's funny when people try to compare MMA, Boxing, GI, NoGi, Wrestling.... etc.... they are all different sports. Like trying to argue that Lebron would beat Federer at tennis because they both have a ball.
@@Jeremy_Walker I agree. And no offense intended to the op, but I wouldn't even say that they're "equally as important." Important relative to what? Is basketball equally as important as tennis? What does that mean?
Of course, we know what people mean. People mean "In a fight." But that's kinda missing the point. Just about any athlete (especially combat sports athlete) is going to be able to defend themselves "in a fight." That doesn't mean that they're all "equally" good at that, its kind of impossible to say what is better. Because by the time you start putting controls and artificial constraints on "the fight" such that you can actually "measure" the effectiveness of the "discipline," then what you have is just some variant of MMA.
When it comes down to it, people just want to belong to their "camp" and they want to promote their "camp." Sometimes that means you got to convince people that your camp is better than the other camps so that they join you instead of the others. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, I just think the problem is the logic in which it is done.
I'm not saying self defense is pointless to think about, but if you're doing this for self defense, and you're not constantly going everywhere scanning your surroundings, putting your back to the wall, living like someone who has ptsd, etc, etc, then you're doing this for a reason OTHER than self defense. And that's ok, maybe you just "like it," and find it "fun." Is that such a bad thing?
‘’this just shows you how different these two sports are’’’
Seriously, did we really need this match to understand stand that? Lmao it’s like, people haven’t been paying attention even after them partaking in these kinds of discussions lol
Both are important but BJJ is more important.
@@MikeyMinimo I think if anything wrestling is more important to be a dominant fighter. Teach a wrestler some basic BJJ submissions and defence and you’ve got a potentially great fighter. However if you teach a BJJ player some basic wrestling takedowns and control they’ll still not be as good. This is due to wrestling taking more time for people to get efficient at, because of how exhausting it is + the power and speed needed to do it, and basic BJJ is not overly complex to learn or as physically draining.
It’s crazy to see how each individual art is so different from the next and how difficult it is to master each.
Years and years, layers and layers of experience, some good days and some bad days.. it's amazing how some mma fighters such as Khabib gsp j Jones valentina can reach high level cross disciplines
respect to Ryan, playing another mans game for love of the sport.
Ryan took that like a man. He knew what was coming but wanted to roll freestyle. Good for him. Learning all disciplines, only makes one better.
he didn't take it like a man, he went on instagram to make excuses and claim a moral victory
@@hasanc1526 the guy quit the bjj match. Gordon didn’t quit and fake an injury
@@tomjones2056 yeah he quit because their original argument wasn't about bjj. Gordon claimed he could wrestle with any wrestler so they setup this tournament where they had one bjj match and one wrestling match. Downey couldn't care less about the bjj match because he only did so that Gordon would agree to wrestle him
@Choco yep you yourself said that it wasn't even a submission, he quit because he didn't care about a submission grappling match. The original feud was that Gordon said he can wrestle with actual wrestlers and the only way gordon would agree to a wrestling match was if they had a jits match aswell. So Downey didn't care about the jits match, he was just there to prove his point that gordon can't hang with wrestlers. Also he got suplexed on his head lol I don't know what you're talking about
@Choco glad you can't deal with facts my guy, it would be good to agree on the part where your boy said he could wrestle any wrestler and got beaten in 20 seconds and how he got suplexed on his head
When I was starting to get a little decent at Jiu Jitsu I thought I had good wrestling cause I could scramble a little and was beating some of our wrestlers. Man oh man that changed real quick when coach decided to have a wrestling only day and I found out my wrestling sucked balls. I figured out that wrestling incorporates very well into JJ as long as a few bad habits are rid of, but the transition from JJ to wrestling is much harder
Happens to the best of us
True
Excuse my ignorance since Im a boxer and soley practice striking arts, what bad habits you have to be rid of? I like to have a awareness of other styles methods so I can appreciate the hardships they have to endure.
@@hidan407 it would be a lot to explain over a text response but I would look into some videos and respects for yourself. Also get some no gi BJJ in your training as well, wrestling, grappling, etc
*research not respects
Talking mad shit when you tapped to a power half... lmfao.
I will admit... did ragdoll Gordon tho
Eh, ragdolling in such a specific ruleset as freestyle wrestling isn’t a huge accomplishment, what happened after like you said with the power half is what I consider much more real life. Pat couldn’t take Gordon down in a ruleset where Gordon can attack.
@@etello2221 hella funny cuz i was looking for this fight earlier after the jiu jitsu match popped up on my feed today
he faked the injury so he could be fresh for the wrestling
My favorite comment from that video was "Get up prince of Troy! I won't let a power half nelson take my glory."
@@etello2221 A power half is more real realistic than a feet to back/ feet to stomach takedown🤨...I’d rather not get slammed/grounded and pounded on the concrete compared to getting hit with a power half that was gained from the bottom scrabbling around(Gordon also obtained the position to use the power Half by sitting the ground in what way is sitting on the ground in real life more effective to slamming someone) IDK that’s just me when u fight do you initially plan on being taken down so viciously to be thinking a power half and grappling on the ground Is the better over all position in a real life fight?? I’ve seen so many Bjj guys get stomped on, Thinking the guy was gonna play slap ass with him on the ground 😂😂. If I see someone lay down in the middle of a fight. I don’t think they’re better off man
Gordon looks so out of place lmao. It’s funny how much different grappling is when you move between rulesets.
Yes man . Graplling and wrestling are so different because have different point of focus
Seriously, who would have thought that the wrestler is better at wrestling than grappler who just grapples?
@@steverogers7601 agreed, but I think of grappling as a broad term that includes wrestling, judo, Jiu Jitsu, etc.
@@FR-ty5vn as you should
@@steverogers7601 Ossss
So what did we learn.... The jiu jitsu player is better at jiu jitsu and and the wrestler is better at wrestling 😂😂😂just kidding was cool to see each other in diffrent worlds
Thank you.
Yeah except in one sport you learn 50 ways to murder your opponent and the other you wear spandex and try to throw him to the ground and ride him.
@@CarnifexGaming *control
@@CarnifexGaming Except the one sport does better when transitioning into MMA because most UFC champions were former wrestlers.
@@wrestlingjudoms1302 yeah because guess what, if someone can hammer fist and elbow you in the face laying on the ground in half guard doesn’t work that well. Weird right??
5 mins before this match Pat was supposedly in agony from what looked like a serious injury , what a miraculous recovery ...... clearly wanted to save his energy for the wrestling match.
pat is a good wrestler, gordon is the arguably the best grappler in the world/maybe greatest of all time, yet pat survived 10 minutes in gordon's sport, and gordon's survived barely 2 minutes in wrestling, I bet gordon would not be able to submit a guy like sadulaev ...
@@ybench5871 This is silly. The matches have different rules determining the ending. You might as well say something like "Downey lasted 10 minutes against Gordon in his sport, but it only took him two seconds to beat him at rock paper scissors!"
@@ybench5871 not even the same rule sets. The BJJ match had less rules and one individual giving up vs what is just a pushing match. Give me a break
@@ITRIEDELLol you should challenge a wrestler and see how much of a pushing match it is 🤣. BJJ specialists are the worst mma fighters while those with a wrestling background compete at the highest levels of the sport in short order.
First wrestling match I have ever watched where the toughest guy on the mat was the ref.
lol
mocco ftw
Never seen middle schoolers or high schoolers wrestle? lmao
@@izraelavila769 You obviously have no idea who the ref is
The thumbnail of Ryan’s wrestling stance says it all about his wrestling knowledge 😅
Pretty much
Fair play to Gordon, stepping into the discomfort like a champ!
Why do people have to argue dominance hierarchy stuff? I promise you Pat and Gordon have all used this to learn and improve. If they didn't see a benefit they wouldn't have done the risk. They are both better now. And I'm better for having watched it to learn and improve too. Thank you pat and gordon
Well said
two grappling sports-- very identical but the rules and objectives also make it very different. In a fight or MMA the objectives come closer together: Get the fight to the ground and win with strikes or a submission.
I mean they had been talking smack to each other the whole time it’s friendly in a way
Wrestling is a beautiful sport. Thanks for doing this guys
Didn’t Downey tear his labrum in the grappling match when he tapped to a power half? How did he recover so quick?
@Choco Another Ryan fluffer, white knighting for his lord prince,... how original.
@Choco Sorry, thought you were another, “Gordon Ryan is the King Kong of the fight world” apologists. It’s intolerably delusional. I have nothing but respect for his accomplishments in BJJ. He’s on his way to being the GOAT in that world. I can’t fault him too aggressively for overstepping with the boldness of his claims. It’s easy to forget that he’s only 25 years old. He hasn’t yet gained the wisdom that comes with time.
@Choco Downey is an elite wrestler, but he’s a clown.
He faked it so he could save energy for the wrestling
Yeah cause if pat downey had less energy this result would be different lol.
I give Gordon credit for trying but obviously he is really out of his element against an elite wrestler here. Of course he got Downey to tap to a power double in a grappling match. I can understand why downey wanted a way out but it would’ve been good if he didn’t give up before he was even in a submission. Frankly I don’t really get why downey would talk shit for winning a points wrestling match after tapping to a power half earlier in the night...
Yeah, IMO wrestling rule set is boring. The no points, no time limit ruleset was way better and fun to watch. Winning by putting somebody out of bounds.. to me is boring.
And him tapping to that was a cheap way out because he knew he was fucked
Sometimes wrestling matches are a true stalemate so that is why they have the pushout rule. Also aggressive failed takedown attempts were the opponent is pushed out is also rewarded with a pushout. Its just the rule set made for the sport..
@@koalaofdeath2045 If you think it's boring, that's probably cuz Gordon basically gave no resistance to Downey. Downey could defend himself in grappling and took Gordon's back multiple times. Lasting 40 seconds in a match after claiming to be a D1-level wrestler is pathetic.
@@koalaofdeath2045 the BJJ portion took 15 minutes with literally no action until near the end, and the wrestling portion is boring?
@@joekrapf8825 Gordon could have pulled to his legs and got the tap almost instantaneously. That match was just to prove that Pat couldn’t take him down in a more realistic rule set.
Wrestlers are strong bro 👍🏾. Now combine the 2(jujitsu & wrestling) you have a super grappler 💥
Lil judo as well learn timing in the sweeps
Saying wrestlers are strong is like saying Track Athletes are fast 😂
Well actually you already have a super grappler. He's called Gordon Ryan
Combine the 2 and you have Khabib
@slamdunk 1981 true but judo there is so much emphasis on sweeps it crazy
People are biased in the comments. Everyones giving credit to Gordon for trying a different ruleset but not crediting Pat for the exact same thing? By the way, it took less than 90 seconds to tech fault Gordon, whereas he took 17 minutes to tap out Pat
You're clueless. It was no time limit so Ryan purposefully prolonged it. It only finished because Downey got tired and pussied out without even being submitted. Ryan could have submitted him quickly but he didn't want to.
@@adamtennant4936 yeah and the dude just disengaged. Almost anyone can survive by just running around the ring and avoiding any meaningful contact. Case in point, Schaub and Cyborg.
Considering Mocco’s Judo background and of course his Olympic and Collegiate wrestling career, I gotta say he is one of the most fitting refs of these guys wrestling on earth. Like, this video in general is just so great to see, but I really hope y’all appreciate just how almost overly qualified Steve Mocco is to be reffing this, and how cool it is that he did. Go ATT
This simply proves that PDIII is a fantastic wrestler and Gordon is a fantastic jiu jitsu player. Both amazing at their respective sports. But both can't necessarily compete at the highest levels of the other, at least without further training.
Was that the great Steve “The Bear” Mocco reffing?
Yup
Ok, he did some points on Gordon, and Gordon forced him to surrender.
Exactly
it took gordon almost 20 minutes to get his victory..... downey took 60 seconds
@@kingtom8602 so? Bottom line is he finished him
@@ChristheCEO1 and bottom line downey finished ryan much faster
@Choco he finished the match, they had to stop it by rule because it was so 1 sided.
They shoulda done a folksytle-hybrid match.
Locked hands / throws allowed
Pins should only count from dominant position/ pin moves/combination (no accidental pins)
This could allow juijitsu players to effectively scramble with berimbolos for example.
I really think if they continue to do JJ vs. Wrestler matchers at least make it so they can utilize their style.
Wrestler would still win. Most wrestlers do Greco, especially high level. Only way BJJ wins is if we allow full subs.
Or make it a catch wrestling match. Where it either pin or submission for victory.
Bruh may as well add striking and just make it MMA ahah. @@tichtran8792
I’d like to see this again now after Gordon training so much wrestling last few years and Judo with Satoshi
Probably won't be much different
Gordan in MMA is all I want to see.
BJJ only fails hard in MMA bro. Basic reasoning: you need to go to the ground to have a *chance*, but you won't take a wrestler to the ground so easy, all the while dealing with strikes. And be ready to receive a hail of ferocious punches if you do something dumb like pull guard.
Oh, Gordan would destroy a wrestler in MMA. Wrestlers are getting better, but still can't punch well. I see Ryan getting rocked by the strikers with takedown defense. Till he shows me he can beat them he's not a top fighter.@@utarian7
That arm drag is amazing
Respect to Gordon for staying for the whole wrestling bout and not completely bitching out like Downey did in the bjj match.
It’s great to see athletes from other disciplines try wretling. It’s always the other way around, where wrestlers try bjj or some other discipline. Not sure why that is.
Heal up Champ. Props for competing with these rules.
Thats great. Someone needed to bring Ryan down from the pedestal he put himself on, so he can get better. Some experts in their fields call themselves fighters, them they go to another sport and get completely dominated. Love that it happened to Ryan. Let's see if he gets better at wrestling now.
Amen. He’s the apex predator in BJJ, but that’s where it ends. He’s one-dimensional as a martial artist
Did he ever say he was a top wrestler?
I am proud of Gordon for getting in there
Good on Gordon for wrestling 🤼♂️
It shows that bjj needs to incorporate wrestling so they can take down opponent to ground and apply submission. On other hand it shows that wrestling needs to incorporate submission and remove pin falls to make it as effective as bjj for self defense
Greatest grappler of all time
They had a nogi Jits match right after if Im not mistaking and the outcome was a sub.
Gordon and he did jujitsu first and he tapped before gordon got to the submission so he had more energy for the wrestling, pit against eachother allowing both jujitsu and wrestling I say gordon wins, but still cool to see the diff in sports
The other video a round before this the wrestler tapped to a position change, not submission. Then they had this match. If you watch both, you’d think Gordon actually won both 😂
@@steen5599 for sure....points play
Amazing how little this did... Gordon was just rolling with everything as this guy gasses himself out.
This has got to be the dumbest thing ive ever read.
The rolling is how Downey was scoring points..
@@keithsutton8708 ya I know lol but “points”mean nothing in a fight ...
@@bobsmith8124 neither of them were fighting...?
Gordon deserves all the credit in the world not minding to grapple in a wrestling match instead of submission grappling. Way out of his comfort zone.
Kinda crazy how fast pat can get to his back
BRO IS THAT STEVE MACCO AS REF?!!!!!! He was the heavyweight wrestler from the dog days documentary
Equivalent of Conor fighting Floyd in boxing tbh
"don't ever say you can beat a wrestler" 🤭🤭
lmao,he tapped to a power half
Beat him at what?
is that what he said at the end? i couldn't hear it.
Is that Mocco? Dude looks small compared to these non-HWTs.
holy shit, I was not expecting that
This highlights how much more important wrestling is for self defense than JJ
Steve Mocco as the ref awesome.
Just when I thought gordon Ryan couldn't be ragdolled lol 🤣
Have you seen the match between him and Bo? Gordon got suplex'd in that match.
Theres levels to this game
Nobody notices that fucking bear in the middle of those two. I did. Good to see u mocco
Why did Ryan get scragged? I thought he was best?
Not a huge fan of Gordon but as an elite wrestler myself, MAD RESPECT for lacing up the wrestling shoes and doing that publicly. Pat Downey should feel ashamed of himself for acting that way. You’re an international level wrestler and boasting about beating someone who has NEVER been a wrestler. Dude is a clown. Not to mention that in Gordon’s sport (BJJ) you tapped to a half-Nelson. So there’s that.
Pat is a stud
I wonder how Gordon would do in skeet shooting?
Yeah, take him down a notch!
If we allowed submissions of course Ryan would win....but in terms of pure takedowns, not even close. Downey just toyed with him. However, the question is, when someone is punching kicking you, then what matters. Well, if the person with the better punching and kicking has better wrestling, at least take down defense, it does not matter if you have Gordon Ryann levels subs, you are screwed. On the other hand, if you have better takedowns AND better subs the person with better striking is screwed.
It is all about matchups, but we can see why wrestling is so, so important. Even in some mMA fights where we don't see much wrestling, wrestling is still often the deciding factor.
Thank goodness he didn't hurt himself from that dangerous half Nelson 😐
Wrestling is the best, the toughest and the oldest sport on Earth
Why didn't they show the 2nd half?
What does he say at the end?
why couldn't downey lock hands like that in the bjj match?
It's hard to believe (and impressive) that Gordon Ryan submitted Josh Barnett.
That Quintet match was under sub only grappling rules, this match vs Downey was with wrestling rules that are a lot more different than sub only grappling, and also Barnett's record in grappling is not very good, yes he defeated Dean Lister and one Gracie called Ryron, sounds cool but that is not gonna repair his 5 defeats under bigger names like Ricardo Almeida or Mark Kerr (actually i would like to see a Gordon Ryan vs Kerr in his prime match, however that is only a dreamatch)
You do know Pat tapped out in their other match just before this with no points and no time limit even though he wasn't even in a submission? 🤣
@@koalaofdeath2045
I know.
I watched it.
But Josh Barnett is 6'4" and 250lbs with catch wrestling training under Eric Paulson and Billy Robinson.
Pat Downey doesn't have that pedigree.
@@thejookking Nobody thinks Barnett has a chance against Gordon. Barnett is a good grappler but he's not on the level of the top 0.1 percent of elites like Gordon Ryan.
Barnett and Gordon are similar in size. Barnett is just a bit bigger but nothing significant. Barnett is focused on MMA and Gordon is pure jiu jitsu. Barnett came from catch wrestling which is a bit different than no gi jiu jitsu which is what Gordon only does.
@@bane3991 Uhhhhhh.... No!
Josh Barnett has at least 30lbs on Gordon Ryan.
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Josh Barnett submitted Dean Lister.
I thought that Josh had a chance against Gordon Ryan.
Imagine what a wrestler of equal weight would do to Gordon Ryan
This only happens because Gordon refuses to let the world see his angel wings.
Oh my goodness! My shoulders faced the mat for half a second! So brutal
did you lose a gf to a wrestler or something?
Those elbow passes though
gordon just seemed like he didnt know the rules of wrestling here. Not a big deal still the greatest jiu jitsu grappler of all time
So this is the best BJJ guy of all time? There are freshman in high school that could take this guy down at will 😂
What does Downey say at the end?
1:06 what does he say?
Wow, never thought a wrestler would beat a jiu-jitsu guy in a wresting match! Kind of like when Gordon beat Bo in a grappling match. 😐
Wrestler: "You have no power here, Ryan!"
What did the wrestler say at the end?
"don't ever say you can beat Pat Downey at wrestling"
@@Alex-xi3bw thanks I had the same question.
@@Alex-xi3bw I was wondering what he said haha he referred to himself in the 1st person lol Also why didn't he try these take downs in the first match?
This is simple. I've seen it with my own eyes. D1 wrestler came into our dojo....I seen him get guillotined back to back, get hit with single and double x guard etc. Did he technically "get the takedown"....sure. He was also tapping like his hand was on fire.
Did he grow up doing wrestling
Only will make him better at grappling
Gordon just gives up his back on those elbow offs lol
THIS is a great example of why submission grappling is more entertaining.
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i would have pissed myself if gordon tapped out straight away before the wrestling match lmao
It's too bad they didn't have folkstyle. I would've enjoyed that.
Eh just add the line and his aggression is favored. And oh my shoulder kinda weak honestly
If Gordon thinks he is going to cross over into Wrestling and dominate, you just saw he is in for a rude awakening! He would have to quit Jiujitsu completely and devote himself full time to wrestling. But Gordon will NEVER do that.
Wrestler just dominated the jiu jitsu guy in his own sport,,,,, exactly the same thing as Boxing vs MMA,
Big time difference from jiu jitsu to freestyle lol no laying on your back pulling guard
also no legit subs lmao,wrestling’s rule set is ass too. only “martial art” that promotes turning your back to the opponent
Ya you have a magical line and a nonsense scoring system. If you roll the guy don’t improve position at all and just burn a bunch of energy you score. For reasons of cours
@@tomjones2056 you ain’t gonna win this argument when most people agree that wresting has nonsense for a rule set,and half the shit you mentioned isn’t even prominent in higher levels of bjj competition
@@nignog1737 it shouldn't even be an argument. Both are respected disciplines in their own way.
This was equivalent to first round flying armbar
Wrestling > jiu jitsu
I thought you couldn’t lock hands in wrestling
Round 2 bjj
Round 3 mma
LMAO why did Gordon think he'd be able to take a lifelong wrestler in a wrestling match?
He didn’t. It’s called getting the rub
Money
I don't think he did think he could. He knows he's never wrestled competitively. It was just for fun and to entertain. He knows how much training and time it takes to get great. He's done that with jiu jitsu.
Obviously you didn't watch the other match which was no points, no time limit and Pat tapped out without even getting submitted lmfao. Pretty sure these two matches only happened because Gordon agreed to also do a wrestling match
@@koalaofdeath2045 But Gordon needed like 15 minutes to submit him...
The difference in these matchups was Gordon actually tried to prove himself wrestling. Downey literally fake tapped to get his win in.... LOOOL
LoL. Easy work. Didn't even have time to take the popcorns out.
Doesn't look like anything was wrong with that shoulder
Downy popped a senzu bean lol
They should have done a MMA fight instead
Out of his element lol
Teched him so fast...
This match needed to be folk style