F1 1989 Japan - Prost and Senna collide (Live BBC coverage)
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- Here is the live BBC coverage (with RAI pictures for better quality) of the famous collision between Prost and Senna in Japan, Suzuka in 1989.
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The “oh my goodness this is fantastic” of Murray Walker is pure gold!!
Always great commentating on historic moments in F1
Yes, he used it in the older, purest sense, fantastic as in like a fantasy, unbelievable, incredible.
Its like he knew this one was going to be historically controversial 🤣🤣
Compare that with “Crofty’s” banalities of today.
@@mattfry3851 THEY TOUCH MARTIN
Dang, safety was so different back then: no pit lane speed limit, leaving retired cars at the side of the track, etc
golden days
@@danielwolfe4169 Tell that to Lauda, Pryce, Ratzenberger, Senna... Golden days? The most dangerous days, more like.
@@txrracxtta yea i will and they'll agree
the good old days 👍
@@txrracxtta Anyway those were the golden days, now we have the computer days
1:48 Rest in peace Murray Walker 😔
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@@L0rpGaming :(
James Hunt went from "Senna's at fault because there was no space" to "Senna's at fault because Prost was going to hit him anyway" in no time flat after that second replay.
2 years later Hunt in a discussion with Walker said Prost was at fault for this crash and also Suzuka 1990… quite a turn around in opinion from James
@@oliraceking I think I just saw that interview last month or something! Amazing timing.
@@oliraceking JH is/was a dumbass and a Senna fanboy.
Those final few laps after the nose cone was changed said it all - incredible driving!
The sound of the engines back then was phenomenal
That's the thing I miss the most nowadays... Those V6 hybrids sound like toy cars...
nah they sound like shit get your ears checked :)
5:48 "normal" racing line (Prost)
Lol
5.48 is the smoking gun... doing a Schumacher before Schumacher made it his own...
It is, it's Senna who is forcing to pass but he touch Prost and this last is out of the race by Sena's fault
Prost cut in way too early and way too close to the apex. He wasn't trying to make the corner, he was trying to hit Senna.
@@TheHalfGlassFullGuy Absolutely! If Senna wasn't there and Prost turned in at the exact same place, he would've been over the curbs and on the grass well before getting to the apex. He did it to secure the championship, that's all. Cheating little weasel!
You are watching two of the most masterful drivers ever to compete in F1. Each had his own distinct qualities. Senna was pure speed and passion. Prost was a master of cunning: he was lightning quick as well, but he was so damn smooth that it was hard to see how quick he was.
As far as this accident is concerned, Senna gambled that Prost wouldn't close the door. Senna was an intimidator, but Prost said before the race that he was going to go for the win, or there would be an accident.
But his maneuver was illegal, simple like that. For the same maneuver Shummy was desqualified of the championship years later. But Prost had Balestre
@@MaxZelkcovik
The completely different maneuver when Prost turned for the chicane and Senna crashed into him. Schumacher turned away then back into Villeneuve.
Balestre had nothing to do with it, Senna was disqualified by the track officials for cheating.
Bla bla bla!... The true is Prost stole the world championship with complicity of Marie Balestre , Nigel Mansel and FIAT group
@@mariovietri9187
You started out with the truth Bla bla bla. Then you went off telling lies. No one ever stole anything from Senna. Prost won by being the best driver and Senna fanboys hate the truth.
1983 Oulton Park, Senna did same suicidal tactic agt Martin Brundle... who didn't budge and a crash ensued.
If Prost had tried such a move, Senna himself would have shut the door and rightfully so. Huge difference between defending a corner and causing a crash on purpose.
the pit speed limit in 1989 is...?
none?
Yep, there was no speed limit.
Weirdly enough the speed limit only started cause of an event in that race that Senna died. After a botched tyre change the tyre wash loose and while exiting the pits the tyre flew off, and cause of the speed the tyre hit people pretty hard. That day in imola really was an awful day for racing.
They introduced the pit lane Limit in 1994 due to several incidents.
Correct
@u a 😁😆
Hunt was such an awesome commentator - “What else could he expect Prost to do?” Sums this clash up perfectly.
These two in the same team was just perfect!
I disagree.
First of all they were treated differently. Senna benefitted from both McLaren and Honda at every level.
Despite such considerable advantage, Prost outscored Senna both seasons.
It felt better when they drove in separate teams, in my humble opinion. When McLaren was better than the Ferrari, Senna took Prost out to win.
When Williams was better than the McLaren, Prost kicked Senna's cheating arse.
Lmao! With that Cartman avatar the sarcasm is well appreciated.
Seriously though they nearly pulled off the perfect season. Then came Monza...
@@yeshuahdenazareth7868 Senna was "I Race to win" in a very literal sense. If there was a cheat code to enter to victory, he'd take it. He could not face the disappointment of not winning, back in Brazil. He had the weight of his nation on his head.
@@comdrive3865 That's a childish, ridiculous, self-rationalising commentary.
Grow up.
@KLP If only Prost had founded doubt about the Honda bhp... It was confirmed by Honda's boss, and plain to see at the 1989 Italian GP.
It was embarrassing.
Yes, Honda provided extra horse power to Senna, not always, but when it was fair, like the French GP, Prost would win without problems.
Qualifications are for dumb fans. The king is Hamilton. The prince is Schumacher.
Bye bye widow.
Prost feared nobody. Look at his teammates. Then look at Senna's. Senna was the coward, choosing only second rate drivers as teammates, whereas Prost welcomed him at McLaren.
Prost was right to bar Senna from Williams. If Senna had been a tiny bit wiser and less dumb, he'd still be alive.
Criminal manoeuvres are extremely rare. The only one I can mention is Senna driving into Prost, full tanks, the whole grid charging behind ... A criminal move by a calculating coward, and his mate Balestre let him get away with it.
The shame is yours to bear mate.
Prost annihilated Senna in fastest laps, podiums, victories, titles and point scored.
'nough said
It's so clear that Prost turned in earlier as soon as he saw Senna approaching him.
...which Senna always did in race.
He couldnt complain. Not him, indeed.
Nope, he turned in as he normally would. Senna got upset that he wouldn’t give way.
James Hunt the best commentator's sidekick & what a commentator. Look at that unencumbered steering wheel, not a button in sight (well just 1). Proper F1 racing as it should be, 3 pedals 1 buttonless steering wheel & 1 red hot mad racing driver.
Paddles are for ping-pong.
No power steering 👍 🏁
Love the sound of that 3.5 litre Honda V10, that is how today's F1 cars should sound. At this stage in the season Senna and Prost couldn't stand the sight of each other, it all started at the San Marino GP when Senna broke an agreement about whoever got the best start would not be overtaken at the first corner, so when Senna attempted to overtake at the chicane Prost wasn't having any of it and closed the door. You just knew that was going to happen.
Technically, the agreement at Imola 89 was for the first race start. Senna got ahead and felt the second start was not under that same agreement no more, as he considered the first start agreement was honored and as he was on the lead on the first and lost the lead on the second start he wanted to get back the place he got during the first start.
That was what Senna's had to say about that incident.
Only both Senna and Prost knew for sure (and maybe the team) what the agreed conditions were.
Old comment. But I leave what I do know about the issue here, for anyone interested.
3.5 V12 i think
@@davebeerman911 The Honda engines on the Mclaren MP4/5s on the video are indeed 3.5 V10 Honda engines.
those were the best f1 days... senna prost duo... 2 best drivers in battle on the same team..
35 seconds even after that accident we're lucky to see a ten second gap nowadays
Bet you regret saying that lol
@@mlvendetta8330 I was about to ask him if he was high or something and realized that the comment was 12 years old. Jeesh. Lol.
@@DropkickNation lol
5:43 this footage leaves no doubt that Prost did it on purpose. He would've never made that corner going in that early. He closed the door with Senna's body 3/4 of the way in.
Senna's wheels clearly were behind. It's not a question who was in which car. The fact is the car coming from behind was not in a correct position to take the lead.
@Crixus Mauperthuis Your logic:
Senna can't make the turn because hes going too fast.
Then: well yeah you can't just let the guy pass you because you need to win. Besides I was in front of him before the turn.
Lol
@Crixus Mauperthuis seems like that we're the only two who are no Senna Fanboys. Senna f*cked it up in '89, '90 and when he was clearly not the fastest driver anymore in '94 he tried to convince everyone that Benetton had traction control. Just strange that the guy (Schumacher) who "cheated" won 7 championships... because he was just one of the next generation of drivers, same as Alonso, Kimi, Hamilton a few years later. Prost was a better driver but Senna was faster. Simple.
@Crixus Mauperthuis i know, thats why i'm saying he is the "better" driver, because he always had everything under control. Even from the lower grids he was able to win easy. With "faster" i mean thing's like Donnington '93. Senna was able to find every thousand of a second. He was "naturally faster".
@Crixus Mauperthuis shame on u for being so disrespectful, but Internet created these monsters... It was an illegal maneuver, simply like that, and he should have been disqualified, like Shummy was years later for the same illegal maneuver. And no, Prost didn't annihilated Senna, two years of McLaren was: Senna victories 15 X 12. Senna poles 26 X 3. Prost was a master in getting the second place or taking the car to the end, because he know he couldn't compete against Senna, even in his dreams. Just remember Monaco 85 and 88. Japan 88. Donighton 93...
5:51 the fact that the commentator says Senna went for a gap that "wasn't there" is so ironic xD
There's not even a hint of irony.
I suggest you open a dictionary and work on your vocabulary.
lol
It's true tho, it was a suicidal move by senna
@@Feisty123 how so? I mean if u look at 1:46 they approach the corner with the same speed. Senna would've made the corner easily!
Prost turning into Senna🙄
4:19 Without a Front wing, God that Thing Looks like A Driving fighter Jet and Makes me salivate from its coolness. Those Late 1980's- Early 1990's F1 Cars were beautiful Monsters..
Brutal, but Amazing to watch.
this looks so much more intense due to the fact senna literally not losing any distance in the corners. Im kinda hyped what the 2022 regulations can do in that perspective.
Yes. Was thinking the same from this race I recreated here. Roll on 2022 czcams.com/video/dSpEBiuRFmE/video.html
The Prost Senna rift made F1 a multi billion dollar sport. Pure blood spit and guts back then
It was brutal. However it pales in comparison with the 50s to the 70s when on average 10% of the drivers died each season.
In such times, guys like Senna, Schumacher or Verstapen would have died with a few seasons.
Probably.
@@yeshuahdenazareth7868 I posted a comment long ago about driver skills once being superior to their machines. Now the machine is superior to the driver and is severely regulated to protect the driver.
Senna drove in a time when 1400HP was the norm. Car tech is such that more power does not equal faster laps.
@@yabbadabbadoo8225 I really don't get your point.
First of all, no one can stop technology and a driver's have access to it.
It's rather a good thing these guys are protected.
That amount of bhp was for qualifying, not racing.
Skills or no skills, when your suspension breaks at full speed in a corner, you're either dead or seriously injured.
What's your point?
James hunt says some pretty silly stuff here.
He was probably drunk.
Indeed. I think he felt like he'd picked his side with his first comment and didn't feel like he could change his mind. I particularly like, 'Prost was always going to turn in, right or wrongly' as if when apportioning blame, it doesnt matter if Prost turns in wrongly.
Oh my goodness this is fantastic!
I love this video it's just the way it happened. Thank you (15 years later)
We can see that Prost's line at the chicane, without Senna, would have crossed the grass, not the curbs.
We can see that Senna drove into Prost and the finished both into the exit lane and to the left, opposite the right turn into the chicane.
That's what happened, not a unfounded speculation.
@@yeshuahdenazareth7868 I can see that Prost drove into Senna. Prost turns to the right side into Senna. Without Senna, Prost would crossed the grass.
@@icemantom7 Absolutely not.
Of course Prost turned right into the chicane. It was a right turn.
Prost's car was hit on the right side by Senna's car which front wing was damaged in the collision.
That ought to be enough.
There's more: both cars finished ahead into the emergency exit lane and to the left, carried that way by Senna's car inertia.
That should be enough.
There's more: Hunt, Lauda, Rosberg and Stewart, to name only these world champs, blame Senna for the collision.
Only demented fanboys would argue otherwise. They want to challenge the opinion is world champs, the laws of physics and the rules of overtaking to be right.
You're wasting your time.
Even Senna never blamed Prosr: he called it a racing accident.
Don't bother answering.
Keep believing your delusions.
Your issues, not mine.
Ya wrong
@@yeshuahdenazareth7868 5:45. Prost turned too early for the chicane. they even slowed the footage down. Senna shouldn't have shot for that gap, no argument there. But it does appear that Prost wasn't simply "following the racing line". Either way, doesn't really matter at the end of the day.
6:00 "Senna put himself in an absolute impossible situation!" James Hunt
he's such a senna hater like the rest of the world at the time but when he died "OMG he was so great blah blah blah"
@@eloyromero9875 i can descripe you in one word: fanboy
James hunt speaking pure bullshit, I still fuckin hate Prost just in general but when he did that it just topped it off, the bastard got his karma the following year in Suzuka luckily
@@dangelorykard7937 stupid Senna fanboy
@@deebow6486 i hope youre a troll but why are you making jokes about a dead man i mean are you that unfunny?
And yeah there were many other drivers like the guys which crashed while senna was driving with one hand to show that they should red flag the race 😂
First and second for the championship, both cars out, Murray: FANTASTIC 😆😆
05:55 "You can see it quite clearly, that Prost was already turning into the...GRASS"
Alain said before this race that he'd had enough of giving way to Ayrton.
Yeah this comentators, you can see that they dont like senna. Prost just turns in very before the apex just to hit senna
5:08 Nannini leads the Japanese Grand Prix !!! Moments like this made Murray magic!
Utterly fascinating.
Wide gap opened for Senna to have a go then Prost turned in prematurely on him. Bit like Schumacher on Damon Hill in 94
@@DoggedGrim that commentator is a World Champion
@@DoggedGrim thats james hunt bro absolute legend of the sport what are you saying??
@@DoggedGrim I trust you know that Senna went to the right over the pit exit, so not only well off the racing line but also he was too far back to make a clean pass.
@@DoggedGrim
What you missed is that all drivers after being out of a race used to go back to the pits and they often ran back. the fact that both cars were out of the race with stalled engines and that Senna was disqualified makes no difference. I know that Hunt was right this time as were other F 1 drivers who said Senna was not a good driver.
@@DoggedGrim I would be inclined to bet that the race stewards were close to the pits. I remember Prost said that he wouldn't just meekly let Senna through and why should he? James Hunt actually said that Senna was at fault.
Senna being pushed back to a more dangerous position when he should have got out of his stalled car then after a push start he stalled again, he was not in a dangerous position and got a second push start.
1:36 Senna changing the brake bias/mixture settings (preparing for the overtake) I believe. He knew he was going for the overtake on the chicane on that lap when they were still on the back straight.
There was no other spot for him to try his antics as Prost was too fast to even attempt an overtake.
@@yeshuahdenazareth7868 I'm sure a 3 time world champion new were he was going for the overtake and also new where he was slower and where he was faster than his oponent on that track, on that day.
Obviously if he prepared the bracking for that corner he knew it was a probable place to make the overtake.
Prost was defending for his life. On the aerial footage everyone can confirm that Prost turns to the chicane to cover Senna's overtake way sooner than normal - and as Nannini's overtake proved, one can overtake at that spot, obviously if the driver in front does not turn straight to your car to cut the line when the car is already with the move on the go.
Still, manouver aside, Senna still won the race fair and square and was only disqualified due to Prost' s cry baby antiks and Balestre's roots. As simple as that.
@@RicardoSilva-qp4bb Obviously the two-times world champion knew how to take a corner.
The one-time world champion was desperate. He couldn't pass. So he acted desperately as all the champs and commentators clearly witness and testified.
Yes, in 1989 Prost became world champ for the third time while your desperately serial colliding hero only won 1 title thanks to a dodgy and long abandoned dropping points system.
Only deluded angry fanboys claim otherwise.
A quick reminder as you seem to not even have a varnish of knowledge, fanboy:
Prost 🏆🏆🏆🏆 🏅🏅🏅🏅
Senns 🏆🏆🏆 🏅🏅🏅
@@yeshuahdenazareth7868 Senna was leaps and bouds a better driver than Prost. That is a fact. No matter how people try to put it. He was the better driver. Senna is almost always on the top on all polls for best ever.
1990 Suzuka karma race settled all out regarding the 89 events. No worries there. 👍 Senna was a great driver with tremendous personality. One simply could not and would not mess with him. Períod.
That is also why he was such a great driver in the car and out of the car. Loads of caracter and loads of talent. Like never seen again to this date.
Comparing Senna with Prost and putting Prost on top is a vain exercise really.
Ayrton detractors do have a hard time dealing with it's greatness. To the point of calling people who sees things as they are as "fanboyish". It doesn't matter. It does not hamper Senna's legacy one bit. He will always be regarded a better driver and a better man than the french cry baby. And that 89 Suzuka weekend will always go down as plain robbery. Politics decided that race. Fact. Only a blind man does not see that.
" The bigger blind person is the one who does not want to see."
@@RicardoSilva-qp4bb
You can't tell the difference between a fact and an opinion, fanboy.
An opinion is not based on fact nor knowledge.
A fact is Proved to be true.
You understand, fanboy?
A poll is a result of opinions, fanboy. Your opinion is as meaningless, fanboy.
Facts speak the truth: victories, points scored, podiums, titles, fastest laps... Prost is far better than Senna who had been weighed, measured, and found to be wanting.
Oh, fanboy, unlike you I regard Senna as a driver with his main quality, determination, and his worst flaw, recklessness.
If you insist on karma, fanboy, I'd suggest you consider Imola 1994, rather than Suzuka 1990.
You are entitled to have wet dreams about Senna, fanboy, but you are in no position to claim anything that goes against the established facts.
Like all fanboys, you live in a parallel reality that never existed.
You may cry and lie all you want, fanboy, the record is straight and for ever tells the truth:
Prost 51 wins, 4 titles, 4 vice champ finish, 41 fastest laps v Senna 41 wins, 3 titles, 3 vice champ, 19 fastest lap:
P 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏅🏅🏅🏅
S 🏆🏆🏆🏅🏅🏅
Fantastic
Amazing duel!
The most exciting moment I have ever seen in Formula One. Senna was the ultimate racer. Hunt says that Senna went for a gap that wasn't there. I just think Senna took Prost by surprise, he does come from a long way back, but Prost clearly cuts in early and deliberately took Senna out. What goes around, comes around and Senna clearly sought retribution a year later.
Look at 5:46 he just took him out…. He turned in before the corner…
Prost braked early, hence why he was able to turn into the corner early. Senna braked right on the limit, thus he couldn't avoid Prost when he turned in. Just because your in front, it doesn't give you an unquestionable right to the inside. When, like here, the car behind manages to achieve an overlap in the brake zone, the car in front has to consider the other car when chosing his line.
@@CarlosSamuel-ms9eehe turned early but had senna not been there he’d gone into the grass
@Cay7807
I agree with you Prost took an unnatural line. The point I was making was that it is unusual for a car to legitimately overtake from that far back. However, Prost opened up the overtaking opportunity by braking early. This is demonstrated by the fact he was able to turn into the corner early.
I dont know whether Senna was initially trying to make the overtake, but when he saw Prost had braked early, he hadn't left himself the margin to be able to back out. Prost probably panicked when he realised he'd left it late to shut the door, so decided to deliberately make contact.
The lane belonged to Prost. Senna made a bonehead kamikaze try thinking that Prost would somehow abdicate his space. Why would Prost do that? Bad driving by Senna, who, for someone who watched Formula 1 at the time, was not better than Prost. For me, the 3 best of the 80s were Prost, Senna, and Nelson Piquet in that order. Lauda would be up there too but he was more mid-70s to early 80s.
A manobra de Senna por dentro foi perfeita, esta nítido que prost antecipou a curva ora acertar Senna, Senna já tinha colocado de lado
Far from perfect.
In racing school they show it as an example of what NOT to do.
La blague, Senna à volontairement percuté Prost pour gagner le titre.
See No nose cone senna cars runs was ixciting for me😎🔥
Just iconic
To me, Senna was more than a car length behind post when braking started into the corner. In reality, Senna WAS too far behind to make that a legitimate overtaking manouvre. Although I fully agree that Prost turned into him on purpose.
So if Prost turned on him by purpose, and u r right, that's what happened, Prost should loose all the points in the championship, like happened years later with Shummy when he did the same with Vileneuve
@@MaxZelkcovik I thought Prost still had the right to turn in though, as Senna would've pushed him so far off line, making the inside, with Prost having to get out the way. Prost, don't forget had enough of Senna's dive-bombs in the past, where Prost had to get out the way or crash, so I got why Prost did it on purpose.
@@MaxZelkcovik Nope. Villeneuve was basically past Schumacher when Schumacher turned into him. Senna basically wasn't inside Prost early enough.
@@weallfollowmanutd Yes, it was like Prost making a statement 'No, not today mate.'
@5:47 you can clearly see Prost turning his car in. This is NOT anywhere near the racing line for that corner. Turning in at this point would clearly put Prost cutting that particular corner before the curbs! Senna was already alongside of Prost with a lot more distance prior to turn-in for that corner. This accident was all on Prost. He knew Senna was faster and he purposely turned into him prior to that corner. This was a conscious effort by Prost to wreck them both out knowing that it would give him a big advantage going to Adelaide.
I just love this moment when Alain is looking with a disbielief at Ayrton, who is asking the marshals to push him back. Right after that Alain went to see with the stewards. I still don't understand why Ayrton was disquliefied for missing the chicane. He shouldn't be. But he should be disquliefied for pushed start instead.
czcams.com/video/5zc61isHXYA/video.html
Well, like Murray said, at the time there was a loophole in the rules where you could be pushed if you were in a dangerous position, which Senna was. If your car "just happened to start" while you were being pushed, you could get back into the race without penalty. Frankly, I've never been a fan of the rule that you must be disqualified if you receive a push-start. In Indycar racing, disabled cars can either be pushed out of danger or towed back to the pits and rejoin the race. It doesn't give any unfair advantage because most often the person being pushed will lose a great deal of time doing so. But, it makes for better racing to have more competitive cars on the circuit.
At the time, FIA president Balestre justified Senna’s DQ by Corner Cutting. After being pushed Senna rejoined the track using a side road. As crappy as it seems, that was how Balestre crowned Prost in 1989
@@eltonalonsopompeu615 What crowned Prost was his 81 points vs Senna's 60.
That was only one race. A title is never dependent on one race, but on a total of races.
Senna hoped to use the dropping points system to win as he did the year before. He failed. Twice: in Japan by being overoptimistic and colliding with Prost, and in Australia by being reckless and colliding with Brundle.
Balestre had nothing to do with Senna's collisions and being outscored by Prost.
A lie spread by deluded, ignorant and spiteful individuals such as yourself.
@@yeshuahdenazareth7868 Spiteful? Then why you hating on him right back, bro? It doesn't matter anyway. Prost still would have won the title in '89 even if Senna was allowed to keep his win in Japan. Prost would have withdrawn from the Adelaide GP because of the rain and Senna would have still crashed into Brundle and taken himself out. Prost still would have won with 81 points to Senna's 69.
@@ryanward6386
Deluded, ignorant and spiteful, actually; because he's spreading a blatant lie. I merely qualified his behaviour, freely.
There's no hatred in what I wrote. How could I hate someone I don't know and never met? That's preposterous.
People's vocabulary is so poor these days.
Hate is a very rare, powerful feeling.
To whom it may concern, I just reminded them that Prost did not cheat or steal or was offered any of his four titles, especially not the 1989 triumph.
He had to use all his experience, art, talent, hard work and knowledge to overcome McLaren, Senna, Honda and the media. He managed to beat them all. What he achieved was nothing short of a miracle. 81 to 60: in such conditions he didn't beat Senna, he annihilated him.
I formulated solid arguments rather than repeated unfounded allegations.
That's all.
Not tolerating liars has nothing to do with hate. I despise them, most certainly. I think they're pathetic. When someone is behaving like an idiot, he must be told.
He then has a choice: evolve toward the truth or remain a deluded, ignorant and spiteful liar.
I chose peace, love and truth a long time ago, and precisely in the light of this I can tell you that your speculations are unfounded: had Senna won that race in Japan, the configuration of the Australian GP would have been dramatically different and no one knows what would have happened.
In the end, it was no championship decider. To win the title, Ayrton Senna would have needed to win in Adelaide, too, but there, he crashed into Martin Brundle.
Real F1 with the legend Murray walker 👍👍👍
It is quite strange to me, but also interesting that Ayrton Senna at that stage of the season had still the chance to become F1 World Champion of 1989, just because of the "Cancellation result regulation" then. It meant that only the 11 best results counted. Therefore Alain Prost was more or less penalized for being so consistent and scoring points in all races except one (GP Canada where he retired). Even if he had finished 2nd in the last two races (Japan and Australia) and Senna had won both of them, they would have had both 78 points, but Senna had won more races, which would have made him the champion! Without that strange regulation Prost would have had 93 points (Champion by a big margin), but he had to cancel 4 results where he scored points (5th place in Mexico, 4th place in Hungary, 3rd place in Spain and one of his many 2nd place results = minus 15 points = 78 points!).
Iirc the "drop results" were in place because of reliability issues in the past. But yeah, consistent drivers in that era suffer from it
Yes but you have to factor in the 3 races Senna almost certainly lost due to reliability issues, Phoenix, Canada and Monza. Senna lost 27 points in those 3 races while Prost inherited 6. That is a 33 point swing.
@@Ellemerob They were points lost because of his aggressive driving style, if you take the risk and always go flat out you have to accept you're gonna pay a reliability penalty. Kinda like Gilles Villeneuve was renowned for being the best tester for stranghtening reliability of the car, because he put such a strain on every component on the far that if it could break, it would
@@raffaeledivora9517 It's interesting that according to a statistical analysis by f1metrics (google it!), Prost was the only driver in the whole history of F1 with a statistical record to suggest that he was positively influencing his car's reliability.
The other thing that's quite strange about this season is that even though Prost was world champion, he came behind Senna in every single race which they both finished.
This is how F1 should look like.. Changing gears, atmospheric engines, nice sound...
yeah lets have f1 become irrelevant
I've said this for long time four has lost the excitement passion pure raw talent not like shite today
Awesome.race!
Was this actually broadcast live on BBC? I seem to remember only getting highlights back then.
yes its just people never upload the full one for some reason
Los dos mejores de la historia.
"Not leave an opportunity or a door open..." - Sir Murray Walker said just 13 seconds earlier!
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I would love someone to run a track on prosts line into that corner because by the looks of it he would have cut the corner.
However, Hamilton wasn't disqualified for that incident but demoted to 3rd in a 25-second penalty.
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Funny how it happened again
@@xiscoriera3661 He's talking about Spa 2008
Dude this is 13 years old comment. What? Well at least we get to see who Lewis is haha. Can't even remember what incident this is
Prost made a very dirty move
Senna made a dirty move by driving into Prost as clearly shown from all angles.
@@yeshuahdenazareth7868 No mate. I don't agree. Prost turned into the corner way to early knowing there would have been a collision.
@@c.g.c2067 Oh, you're so cute.
Well, I stand by Hunt, Rosberg, Lauda, Stewart and many others I respect the opinion when it comes to driving an F1 car.
I'm in good company, whereas you're among fanboys.
So, yeah, have fun with your deluded views.
So you are disputing the notion that he turned in early. Is that because of your own perception or because a bunch of ex drivers agree with you?
James Hunt seems to be gradually changing his mind every time he watches another replay for what it's worth.
@@CarlosSamuel-ms9ee listen Carlos there are more important things at the moment
CE TIMPURI ! SPLENDID !
Legends, Prost, Senna, Walker
Senna,teria sido tetra campeão mundial,se não fosse essa "jogada "do Prost.Mas...Em 90,veio a doce vingança.
Both times Senna drove into Prost.
There was no play, there was no revenge.
@@yeshuahdenazareth7868 Senna,THE BEST!
@@zainamacedo7213 The best to collide and crash, I agree! 👍👍👍
Senna foi perseguido a vida toda pelo mafioso Jean marrye balestre presidente f i a e puniu senna nessa corrida senna estava correto
@@LuizHenrique-kq4xn Great Jean-Marie Balestre!!
The best FIA president ever!!
Watching these two race, manual shifting, taking some corners with one hand, i always wonder how some people consider Lewish Hamilton be the GOAT
Exactly. This are real drivers. Not that flappy paddle nonsense, near endless grip etc.
Absolutely. The money they spent on developing todays cars, feels like an absolute waste of resources. I'd rather watch the whole grid race and struggle with 90s cars. Bring the gravel traps back too, so they will have to think more going off track or making mistakes.
He is not and he will never be no matter how many championships he will win. These guys risked their life for this. F1 nowadays is much more safer. Safer than road cars
@@hiran4935 I was saying the exact same thing, these cars, or even better, let's go back to 60's-70's, every race they took part in, they literally risked their lives. Their racing mentality, taking risks, making moves, was completely different. Their job was to win and stay alive, not sharing instagram posts about convicted criminals.
@@_-MiamiVice-_ You want to have a driver dying every other weekend? Go and play gta if you're feeling that way.
The only time we saw Prost locking a door in a lifetime of the elegant driver he was.
Therefore Senna was confident he would open it.
That was kinda fair since Senna always locked doors in race, as Schumacher later.
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Prost did turn early, he had nothing to lose. Senna had to make a move at some point. Imagine your own team mate complaining to the stewards about you. Fun days then. The marshals were incredibly brave then weren't they.
Imagine your own team mate crashing into you as Senna did and losing points for both drivers and the team.
Prost was a cheat. He Saw Senna Coming and decided to turn into him and Senna was robbed. Prost moaned to the stewards about Senna getting help from a situtation that his TM Caused, 1990 was revenge for him
Prost Kahunaad and senna passed out and crashed into prost. he also tried to avoid the green cloud
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Prost had to turn or go off the track, he had every right to take his line. Senna crashed into Prost taking both drivers out of the race then cheated. Nothing was taken from Senna, he lost.
1990 had nothing to do with Prost winning in 1989.
A racing driver does not crash at high speed for any reason. Senna later admitted he did deliberately crash into Prost, his excuse was that pole position was not changed for him, Prost had nothing to do with that.
For Senna fanboys Senna could do no wrong.
@@barrierodliffe4155 in 1990 he crashed into prost deliberately which he said "if you no longer go for a gap, you are no longer a racing driver" . prost never turned off, he kept turning it only looks that way because he turned into senna causing both cars to go straight.
hunt so wrong here :)) prost started turning into senna when he noticed it was too late, lame action from prost, nevermind balestre :))
James Hunt was a world champion, you are? Prost had every right to take his line, Senna was on a bad line and never even tried to avoid the collision.
@@barrierodliffe4155 :))))
@@kolumbijcan one year later, senna started the race with the intention to hit prost. Just a fucking psycho like Dan Ticktum..
@@barrierodliffe4155 prost was not a bad driver but look at the helicopter view thats not the racing line he would be completely off track if he would use that line? 😂
@@deebow6486 well that was the revenge i also dont like it but it was deserved... and its not the same situation in the 90 race it was turn 1 in the 89 race prost would have no chance after sennas move
And this move was 100% on purpose sennas move maybe 90%-
I have no favourites here, but I wonder if Senna's line and speed would have allowed him to actually take the corner successfully even without the collision? He just looks to be heading straight on, no? See 1:45 and 1:46 for example...
how exciting
Senna was quicker but Prost regularty was insane. Even in 1988, when Senna won the WDC, Prost made more points.
Prost got more points because Senna wasn't, in fact, quicker. Prost was the stronger driver.
One of the reasons Senna disliked Prost was the same reason that Prost was called "The Professor".
Senna was all or nothing when it came to racing whereas Prost was tactical, if he only needed third place he would only drive sufficiently hard enough to get third place. Which frustrated Senna no end as he felt this went against the premise of being a racing driver!
@@Mark-zk3gu Senna was quicker. The fact that out of the 19 races when both Mclarens finished between 1988-89, Senna finished ahead of Prost 14 times proves it.
@@Ellemerob that's bull. you're counting wins by who was ahead of who at the checkered flag. You're not taking into account their actual performances in those races. Senna tended to qualify better so he often started with track position advantage, that he maintained to the end, but in those 20 races, Prost was every bit his equal on pace, and overall the 32 races Prost was stronger
@@Mark-zk3gu Lol. Is that right? Imola 1989 Senna pole Prost second. Prost was so equal on pace during the race he finished 40 seconds behind Senna.
Detroit 88 Senna pole, Prost 4th. Deficit after Prost overtook both Ferraris 5 seconds. Prost was so equal on pace he only finished 38 seconds behind Senna. Etc, etc Lol
Why Italian television ( Rai Due) with English commentary ?
I'm so glad Twatter wasn't a thing when this happened.
" il mio e' uno sport molto pericoloso, bisogna essere fortunati. A volte capita di perdere degli amici, l'ultimo Ayrton Senna " (Alain Prost)
Senna had the pace and a bunch of laps up his sleeve, he rushed the pass, it was bad race craft from Senna.
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On 5:46, you can see quite clearly that there is gap for Senna,he took it,past half car of Prost,and on 5:48 you can see clearly that Prost make move on Senna.
On the beginning of this movie, camera from Senna car ,when he goes for gap,you can see problems for Prost on breaking,his car,on breaking over the bump, moves left.
But,ok, he makes revenge next year.and that's ok
The person who made all the graphics back then about the gap and stuff thought he was making a video game or something, it’s so cool😂😂
No, Prost turned in early to block him off. It’s clear as day light
no, Alain was ahead and he was right
@@yallowrosa He sure was ahead, but he didn’t have to react in that manner, he turned a lot sooner, that’s what gave him up. Let’s say Senna wasn’t there, if would’ve turned that suddenly and that soon, he would’ve went on the grass before the actual turn. Maybe you need to watch the replay 30 more time. I was able to tell the first time I seen it based on how sudden he turned when he realized Senna was beside him. Same type of stuff Schumi used to pull on his rivals
@@yallowrosa There's no arguing with childish Senna fanboys mate. Just let it go.
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a divebomb from Senna. He always divebombed like that ,he did it on Mansell too ,and to Nelson Piquet. Prost was a better driver ,most succesful and very fair driver!
Best drivers in F1 History
Ayrton Senna RIP. James Hunt RIP. Murray Walker RIP. Alain is the only one left from this era that played a major factor in this era and race. Alain, if you ever read this, hoping your family and you are safe. I don't want to know your voice in the future as a voice from the past or even this race.
Só pra não restar dúvidas quanto ao melhor e maior da História da F1 , Ayrton Senna da Silva 🏆🏆🏆🎆🎇🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷 .
I wonder why they didn't change Senna's tyres during the stop.
There was a proper chance of damaged ones because of debris from the front wing
Shame we couldn't see the down hill gradient from onboard omg the way they have to change gear with their hand and sounds and vibration of the xars
Can you imagine had social media been around than??
Senna the Best !!!
man they shift fast
El día que Prost dobló 5 metros antes .
The track looks so narrow looking back.
5:47 just pause there and look how far up senna already was
Being on a bad line too far back and trying to force the other driver off the track.
@@barrierodliffe4155 he had enough space. Senna didn't force him out of the track
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Senna crashed into Prost so where was the room? I take it you think Senna had the right to come from too far back on a bad line and force Prost to give way to him, that is not how I understand it and not how I would drive or expect anyone else to drive on the track.
@@barrierodliffe4155 Prost steered into Senna way before the corner, you do not mention that at all. If Senna was not there Prost would have skipped the chicane. Conclusion: this was a deliberate collision by Prost, he saw him coming in his mirror and just took him out way before the corner. In 1990 Senna got him back.
@@ClassicFormulaOne1 I do not lie either. the fact that Senna came from too far back, too fast and crashed into Prost who had every right to take his line which would have seen him go through the chicane with no problem if Senna did not drive into him shows that Senna was desperate to win by forcing Prost off the track. Rightly disqualified and the next year Senna should have been banned from F 1 altogether for the very dangerous deliberate crash which was only because Senna wanted pole position changed and acted like a little baby when it wasn't.
Senna fanboys always try to twist things to suit themselves.
Looked like Prost turned in early to me.
People always cut out James Hunts commentary on this
Senna lost it in that corner. Prost had no choice
Senna Was Disqualilfied for the push-start
I thought he disqualified for cutting the chicane and using the escape road, because we all know escape roads are for driving into, turning around and going back out again via the same way.
I’m not particularly a Senna fan, but he was disqualified for using the escape road- which was a bullshit reason really. The way the marshals gave him the push start meant that Senna had no choice but to use the escape road.
I disagree with Hunt’s analysis here, Murray was right in that Senna was in a dangerous position so was entitled to the push start. Whether he was entitled to make the move in the first place is a debate that still rages 31 years on, I personally don’t think Senna had the right to make that move, it was more of a dive bomb really.
@@josephdyson3737 Hopefully for Senna, the marshalls were not very far. But just think if there had been no marshall at all. He would have had to get out of his car as Prost did.
False, he was disqualified for using the escape road.
@@josephdyson3737 Either way As long as senna was disqualified, that's all that matters.
Hardly surprising, I am in complete and utter agreement with SennaAlonso. Prost was a gentleman and a great character. I sure as hell hope he will be remembered, because he was the greatest there ever was. Even greater than Schumi. Not in terms of raw pace, because both Senna and Schumi were a little faster in my view. But overall - Prost was a genius and at the same time a wonderful character.
Com esse vídeo Tirei A Conclusão Que Esses Carros eram Muitos Mais Leves Doq Hoje Em Dia
Porque você diz
Eram 10 segundos mais lentos que os atuais
Is this the definition of “If you no longer go for a gap…”?
I was a fan of Prost, but clearly, here, he did it in purpose.
If there were no one aside, he would have turn way too early for the corner and finished in the kerb BEFORE the corner
you act like Prost was a prey and Senna the hunter, well not, senna was playing with fire against his own team mate, and Prost is not a nobody.
@@ZA-7 Prost is one of the best ever, but here it's obvious he steered into Senna to bump into him, WAY before the corner.
@@ClassicFormulaOne1 obviously, but that was a team fight, and like I said senna was playing with fire aswell against his team mate. no excuses
@@ZA-7 no excuses for Prost here
@@ClassicFormulaOne1 no excuses for senna...
Sounds like standard FIA practice then.
James Hunt talking out of his backside here. "You can see quite clearly that Prost was already turning into the corner". Err only if you're blind. 5:48 Prost turned in once Senna was alongside not before and way before he needed to to make the corner. If Prost had turned at the same point and Senna had not been there, he would have cut straight across the grass.
You know that saying. When the boost hits..... when the Murray Walker hits haha
"Prost had every right to turn into him there" wtf 😂
Prost was in front and had every right to take his line, Senna crashed into Prost.
Being in front doesn't mean you can drove without consideration of the car behind. Not when it is able to achieve an overlap in the braking zone. Prost braked early, that is why he was able to turn in early. You may believe that Senna wouldn't have made the corner, but Prost did, hence why he turned in on him.
Senna ya se habia metido, Prost tenia que aflojar y no lo hizo. Y encima le robaron el campeonato a Ayrton injustamente y porque a el presidente de la fia le tenia bronca por no se que, y ademas porque sentia admiracion hacia Prost. Por pura subjetividad le regalo el titulo a quien no se lo merecia y se lo quito a quien si.
El presidente de la FIA era francés y alain prost era francés porque crees que le tenía coraje a senna?
Que Senna ya se había metido?? si, hasta la cocina, como que iba a hacer un recto de campeonato. Aparte que el circuito estaba muy bacheado, era imposible que Senna pudiera dar esa curva según la trayectoria que llevaba, simplemente se tiró a lo loco teniendo la suerte que él pudo seguir y Prost no.
A prost no se que le pasó que no siguio por la calle de escape. Senna un fenomeno, pero se metio con la intencion que Prost no doble, y el tampoco intenta doblar. Solo tapar al frances. No admito maniobras antideportivas y esta fue una.
@@armandotoribio7663 Balestre confessou um tempo antes de morrer que não gostava de Senna e fez para prejudica-lo
Pero todos veis que Prost gira antes de llegar al piano. Si trazase la curva por ahí, sería motocross. El choque se produce antes de llegar a la curva.
En la reunión de pilotos de Japón al año siguiente, Balestre dió indicaciones de que en caso de accidente en esa curva, los pilotos deberían incorporarse por el recorrido alternativo y no por la chicane. Sena se levantó cabreado, gritando que eso es lo que hizo el año anterior y que le devolviese el mundial abandonando la reunión.
Sorry Allain, you turned early to cut off Senna. If you had held that line, you'd have cut through the grass. You blew it and you know it, not Senna.
James Hunt disagrees.
What does he know, eh?
He's only an F1 champion, whereas you are... Ooops!
@@yeshuahdenazareth7868 One does not need to be an F1 driver to see how Prost blatantly cut off Senna. Aggression is a must in auto racing, but to blame Senna? Watch the video and you'll plainly see it was a deliberate and unnecessary maneuver. Would you have turned there? You'd be in the grass! Prost simply knew that if Senna overtook him, he would not be able to regain the lead. Great driver. Sore loser.
@@stevebrzosko9793 On the contrary: one needs to be an F1 driver to judge. Or at the very least an experienced racing driver.
Let me remind you of the reactions at the time, far away from the ignorant fanboys.
Indeed, Lauda, Piquet, Rosbetg, Stewart and Hunt, to name but a few champions, absolved Prost and blamed Senna.
Others like Mansell didn't blame Senna but clearly stated it wasn't Prost fault.
All commentaries on live TV blamed Senna, either accusing him of being over optimistic or blaming his lack of judgement.
None blamed Proat who turned right into his corner. It is the responsibility of the driver overtaking to make a clean pass.
Senna failed and collided with Prost, just as he collided with Mansell and Brundle in 3 of the last four races of 1989.
Senna was a bully and a serial collider. He was impulsive and brutal.
However, this incident, even if it were Prost's fault, is nothing but the result of 1 race out of 16. In 1988, Senna was saved by the outdated point system which forced drivers who scored more points to drop them by keeping the best 11 results.
Prost had led the championship from round 5. He built up a 20 points lead. The only hope Senna had was to win the two last races, forcing Prost to drop points just like 1988.
However Senna scored 0 points in Japan (disqualified) and zero points in Australia (collision).
That's the reason why he was desperate and mad: Proat defeated him by outscoring him again and despite having all the support of the team and Honda while Prost was ostracized in his own family.
To this day, Jo Ramirez is still declaring : « we left Japan with nothing [in 1989] », despite the fact McLaren won the constructor's as well as the driver's titles.
What Prost achieve in 1989 was nothing short of a miracle. He was treated as a pariah, isolated, smeared by the press, yet he clinched the title in a race he controlled from start to finish.
My friend, Senna revealed his weakness: inability to lose with grace. The following year, he showed his lack of sportsmanship.
The Senna I miss is the one who raced in 1993. He had his best drive that year, a bit like Prosr in 1986: not driving the best car but still able to win races. The difference is that Prost won the title against the mighty Williams Hondas of Piquet and Manaell.
The following year, in 1994, in the best car, he scored 0 points and died humiliated. Yes, humiliated. Read the press at the time; he ran out of excuses, and was expected to win at imola, by all, himself included. Pressure was unreal. Prost suffered twice as much pressure the previous year and was cut no slack at all: when he won it was normal, when he lost it was his fault!
Anyway, both became very friendly eventually, and according to Prost in their many hours on the phone they never ever talked about Suzuka. Neither of them races.
So, why don't we put it to rest once and for all, just as they did?
Maybe Prost was going to impersonate a gardener for the afternoon because there is no way an F1 driver of his caliber would turn this early denying Senna the opportunity to brake and back off. I often seen Senna and Mansel etc making this move only to brake and back off when the gas was properly closed. Prost made no such effort to close the gap, he simply slammed his car right into Sennas car like Schumacher did years later.
@@irishguy200007 The only grass in this matter is the one the fanboys smoke.
Had Senna not drove into Prost, the best driver of the 80s would have easily turned into the chicane. No doubt whatsoever.
I'd rather trust Lauda and Stewart and Hunt and Rosberg who, among others, absolved Prost of any wrongdoing.
I think Prost turned into him way too early.
He was in front of Senna.
I am inclined to agree with Hunt on this really, Senna imagined a gap that wasn’t there in reality (in terms of his distance to Prost), Prost was entitled to take his line for the corner & im not sure that he did turn too early. If Senna had a few yards closer or ahead of Prost, it would be a different scenario. Although, given he wasn’t closer, it was no more than a dive bomb that someone on F1 multiplayer would be proud of.
@Crixus Mauperthuis How do you figure? Why did he turn in so early? I don't understand if there was no way he was going to make the turn properly then why turn into him clearly before the turn? If he was going to fast then let him crash or overtake him in the turn.. they're in the same car.
@@ziguigui22 even a blind can see that, but just a fanatic can't see that Prost turned the car to the right, onto senna
@Crixus Mauperthuis Prost kept his line?! Watch again, and if u have brain problems to follow it, make it slow. If Prost don't hit Senna, he would make that corner in the grass.. How is that his line?