Rare DCCs and the mystery of the missing lyrics
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- A look at some Digital Compact Cassette rarities and more information about those non-existent lyrics.
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You may not know that all the DCCs with instrumental music have working lyrics on them
Totally screamed when you showed Depeche Mode, Erasure, and The Cure. My top 3 bands of all time!
Focus is fine (5:49) - I could see your wonderful garden perfectly! :)
Those ITTS screens remind me a ton of old school ANSI art on crack/pirated info text files. They would look right at home on a BBS.
Good old nfo files. I've not pirated any software in a long time, assume they're still a thing though!
@@lemagreengreen yeah, not as big as they used to be but they continue to be used by release groups today.
Today’s info files contain Trojans keyloggers and virus.
I just makes no sense no more.
They don’t contain anything but ASCII text. Unless your reader has huge vulnerabilities in it they are completely safe.
@@CAESARbonds I would be more worried about image files in this day and age than *.nfo.
Perfect!! I was just complaining that there is nothing to watch on Netflix this night and Sir Techmoan solved everything...for few minutes..
Somebody should tell @Jason Scott from archive.org about those and let him have a go at preserving all that additional content.
Let's get these DCC's on to a tray **NICE**
Greatest crossover in film history
They don’t hiss, though...
Lololol had no idea I’d find someone quoting MRE videos on techmoan but I love it
"Not too thirst-provoking."
I also bought a box full of DCCs (over 100) back in the early 2000s, for 100€. That was a hell of a deal.
As always, great video, Matt!
The 12 character display would work fine for the lyrics to “Tequila”! (There’s a video on CZcams of a fellow singing that song at karaoke! 😂)
I have seen that karaoke video. That was the best karaoke video ever! Lol!
I thought you meant the Terrorvision song for a moment.
The only song in the world that can't be destroyed by anyone, no matter how bad they are at singing.
@@plateshutoverlock Weeeelllll……..
Always nice to see new videos about this forgotten format which is the DCC. Thank you!
I would if DCC will make a comeback like Vinyl and Cassette. It seems like a pretty cool format.
A comeback would make less sense for a digital format, especially since it’s a lossy compression. Furthermore there are basically no spare parts. I heard that the sophisticated tape heads have a relatively short life span.
I was lucky enough a few years ago to get my hands on a lot of sealed Philips cassettes so I can play around a bit with the format. But yeah a comeback would be cool nonetheless.
No.
It can't because it's proprietary. Nobody can legally manufacture a DCC deck or portable player without Phillips' consent and they've given up. But if a format and player are open-sourced (including the hardware), then that changes everything. This is why anyone introducing a new format should open-source it. Reassuring people it would survive the death of its creator company encourages buy-in and prevents format death.
@@IrishCarney Any patents would have long expired (the global standard is 20 years) and even trademarks would have lapsed from having not been used in 25 years, so anyone would be free to make DCC equipment and label it as such today regardless of what Phillips says.
But it won't get any noticeable revival for two reasons:
1) As mentioned before, digital formats are much more interchangable. Whether you think it is for good or bad, analogue formats generally have their own quirks that are noticeable, but that is much less the case with digital formats where you just rip an .mp1 file and have it play out of your computer the same as out of the DCC player.
2) It never had significant adoption so there isn't any nostalgia for it.
It was too much of a flop to ever stage a comeback. There's only a handful of players, a small catalogue of music and any and all tapes are pretty rare to come by. Meanwhile Casette and Vinyl had long lives and huge user bases so there's way more music and players. As well as way more people who are nostalgic for the format.
As a Madonna collector and completionist, her The Immaculate Collection and Erotica albums on DCC are pretty bloody rare and hard to come by. If I had the cash and had to choose between Like A Virgin on 8-track (which was a Columbia House exclusive edition!) and Erotica on DCC... I'd go for Like A Virgin.
vaniljapulla - I’ve got Like a virgin album on picture disc. Worth anything?
As a non collector. What is the appeal of getting a piece of music on an obscure format that you probably already have on 6 other formats?
@@AtheistOrphan Original UK pic disc LP circa 1985 with a matching die-cut sleeve is worth a pretty penny, but it's not excessively rare. £50 if in a VG++ to NM condition. The Japanese edition in a plastic sleeve with a heart sticker is another matter altogether, and can easily fetch £100-200 or more, depends on the market.
@@Blackadder75 She's Madonna. That's it. I've been a fan for a quarter century, although I do disagree with her political views nowadays.
vaniljapulla - Thank you very much. Yes, it’s a UK pressing with the sleeve that you mention, and it’s in mintola condition. I tried selling my vinyl collection last year but was told by a south coast dealer that ‘80’s records aren’t worth anything’.
Soundgarden on DCC......I applaud you on that alone sir.
Did repairing this record player work? No.
Does this DCC contain lyrics? No.
I love this new genre of video. It really makes me smile.
They took all the DCCs
Put 'em in a DCC museum
And they charged the people
A dollar and a half to see 'em
Hey farmer farmer, put away the DCC now
GIve me spots on my videos
But leave me the DATs
Please...
@@haweater1555 what about Amy Grant or Counting Crows? ;)
Fun fact. Joni Mitchell is from Saskatoon and is kind of a jerk. In 2013, the city wanted to honour her with a museum or a coffee shop. She didn't want any part of it. She hates the place. Then in 2018, the city decided to name the River Landing promenade after her and she said fine, whatever.
www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/joni-mitchell-wants-no-part-of-saskatoon-tribute-1.1300429
thestarphoenix.com/news/local-news/joni-mitchell-backs-naming-saskatoon-promenade-for-her-clark-says
@@pummisher1186 I have no insight into her motivations so this is pure speculation, but maybe she objects to a commercial enterprise attempting to make money on the back of her fame whilst pretending it's a "tribute". On the other hand, a place name is just a place name.
@@mandolinic No, she objects to Saskatoon. She thinks we're all racist bigots. She doesn't want her name associated with this place.
@@pummisher1186 Harsh! I don't know Joni Mitchell, and I don't know Saskatoon so I am unable to contribute any more to this conversation. So, have a nice day over there in Canada.
I wonder how good that "superunknown" dcc tape sounds.
Has Pet Sounds been issued on more formats than any other album? As well as the usual ones, it’s also been issued on 4-track cartridge and DVD-Audio, and there was also a Playtape release of some tracks.
It was on DCC? Wow. It’s for sale as a licensed FLAC download now, and I think it was on Blu-ray.
Probably tied with three or four Beatles albums.
There’s an SACD and HDCD too! I think it beats any Beatles out because most of those never had any release on 00s audiophile disc formats, only recently have a couple of them gotten surround mixes and those were issued on Blu-ray
MinoTheShow George Martin didn’t even finish the stereo mixes of all the albums until 2009.
''the mystery of the missing lyrics''
*sadly no Lyrics has been found on that 1 DCC tape.* darn
but great video as allways!
I kind of want to photoshop that Kermit the Frog animation into the green puppet dad saying, "Flippin' 'Eck."
So Joel's dad?
I thought that was a gaming PC for a second with the Gamer Storm logo and the scan tape. XD
Same here. And i really wondered why he was going to unbox gaming hardware :D
Ralph appears to be a *gloorious* techie 😎
BTW GamerStorm = Deepcool to those who didn't know but who care about PC tinkering... now I wonder what initially was there: a case, a biga** AIO 😄, a bulk order of one model, or something else 🤔
Some really great tapes in that box: Richard Marx's Repeat Offender and Rush Street, Soundtrack to Purple Rain, Fleetwood Mac's Greatest Hits, Boyz II Men's Cooleyhighharmony, Hall & Oates' Rock 'n' Soul Part I, Soundtrack to Grease, Amy Grant's Heart In Motion, Dire Straits, Shanice, such a collection!... Do my eyes deceive me? Chris de Burgh?!
5:07 - Erasure's Pop! is a great album! It prompted me to buy a LOT of Erasure cassettes.
5:16 - Erasure's Chorus is my #2 favorite of theirs.
The Rainbow Connection... Man, that takes me back. I still have my Muppet Movie soundtrack on 8-track, and my dad's Panasonic RS-803US deck that played it the most.
7:50 That 386 didn't even have a maths co-processor!
Probably didn't need one, either.
I think you might be misremembering that. There were no 386-class machines with a coprocessor built into the chip. The coprocessor was a separate socketed chip like it was with the 286 class machines. In the 386-class machines, SX and DX referred to the external bus of the processor. The original 386 (simply called '386') was 32-bit, inside and out, but it was expensive and very few applications were 32-bit at the time. So Intel decided to make a less-expensive version that was 32-bit internally, but had a 16-bit data bus to the rest of the machine. They called the new chip 386SX, and renamed the original '386DX'. The nice thing about the cut-down 386SX was it could be fitted to boards that were essentially hopped-up 286-class, making it a favorite for OEMs like Packard Bell, Gateway, Dell, etc. because they were an inexpensive way to build '386 class' machines for a larger profit margin.
When Intel introduced the new 486-class chips, they were still using SX and DX designations, but now SX and DX indicated the presence of a working math coprocessor (DX) or lack thereof (SX) within the chip.
Wait. I said 'working' math coprocessor. Yup. Dirty little secret. All Intel 486-class chips had math coprocessors built-in. But in the SX series, it was disabled at the factory. Intel sold them for less, but the chips were virtually identical. Really betrays the bogus price structure for processors, doesn't it?
@@xaenon simply disabling functions to create a cheaper (or more expensive?) option is a thing even today, not surprising. Anyways thx for the interesting info!
I thought it was only the first 486SX batch that had the disabled math coprocessor and that the standard production ones had it removed.
@@andymadden8183 That's certainly possible, since the later chips were on a different die in order to push them to faster speeds.
i watch these videos and imagine a scene in a movie, a movie about a semi geek kid who smokes way to much and lives in a basement apartment on the outskirts of town near an industrial area, an apartment he bought with his grandparents inheritance money, in his apartment is racks of various tech equipment from decades past, like this techmoan channel he has everything ever made sourced from all over the world, wires and connectors running through holes in walls and under floor boards. he makes his money from illegal copying of games and dvds that he sells on the black market and occasionally the FBI and other government factions bring him media they cant play to help solve a crime.
I wish I could see that goofy Kermit the frog animation 😊
Jeremy Gregorio you can see it at our drdcc channel. czcams.com/video/c4D_DNBCdAA/video.html
I wish DCC had taken off. I love the whole concept of them
IMO, compared to MD, DCC was a step 'backwards'. Technically way too complicated in design, and it still was a tape-medium, with all its downsides...
@@bobdylansweden6 - What!? If you've actually read my comment you would have noticed i compared DCC to MD.
What are you talking about, with your "streaming and downloading"?
It had tough competition, though. Unlike DAT with its rotating head (quite similar to VHS), DCC’s stationary head meant that the bandwidth of the data stream was too low for anything but compressed audio. Not a terrible thing per se, but it being conceived when it was means that the format is essentially locked into an audio codec that is now considered obsolete and borderline insufficient. And unlike MD, DCC did not have any of the disc-based features like instant selection, editing, deleting or rearranging of tracks. But in the end, none of them really “won” thanks to non-technical reasons (as Matt’s awesomely detailed videos about the formats explain), except maybe for MD for home recording.
You didn't mention it, but Ralf's ITTS box doesn't work on the DCC-951 or DCC-730 either (both recorders are essentially the same inside). The lyrics of the Supertramp tape show up on earlier recorders but also not on the 730 and 951. And yes some parts scroll really fast.
I wonder if Philips just decided to leave the ITTS functionality out of the last recorders because no-one was using them anyway, or if something went wrong when they wrote the firmware of those recorders. Maybe there's a software bug, or maybe they just ran out of time?
It would be interesting to see any lyrics displayed on the built in display - perhaps Ralph can show that in a future video.
@@Techmoan Great idea. We have done a video about lyrics in the past, showing the Supertramp album as well with lyrics, but af follow up would be possibly a good idea, now we have multiple albums showing it on ITTS as well. At the start of this video you can see the the display of the 951 showing the lyrics.
czcams.com/video/c4D_DNBCdAA/video.html
I must apologise - somehow I'd missed that video. It's great to see the lyrics in action on a player. One problem nowadays with trying to demonstrate anything on youtube is the ever present threat of an auto-content match on the audio. It's hard to show how the lyrics are in time with the music when you can't play the music out loud.
@@Techmoan You might just put a censor beep over the video since you'd see the lyrics anyway...
Supertramp would be like:
"You're telling BEEP
So don't you BEEEEP
Yeah I got BEEP
Messed up and BEEEEEP" :)
Techmoan No need to apologize. This video provided all the accurate information needed. Thanks for all you do keeping formats like this in the lime light.
(5:42) Your mission-should you choose to accept it-is determine whether the missing DCC lyrics exist and how they ought to be displayed. Should you or any of the childish puppets be caught, the secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions. Good luck, Mat.
awesome video. I would kill for that much natural light coming in my house
only several days in the year :D
It's been sunny in England recently. Yes, even the Northwest!
It's been sunny in England recently. Yes, even the Northwest!
Ah: To wish for impossible things.
Remember how it used to be?
Pepperidge Farms remembers...
Nice Cure reference
@@Salisbury2015 pepperidge farm remembers when you hit that car and drove off without leaving your details .....buy some lovely cookies and that all goes away !!!!!!!
Very impressive collection, indeed.
That's very cool! As always, thanks for sharing!!
Michael Penn did the song “No Myth”. I think we’re the same age, so you’re bound to have heard it.
I love this channel.
I remember boxes of cassettes from back when I worked in a record store in the late 80s and early 90s. God, that must've cost a fortune to ship!
Techmoan knows about Twista?! Can this man get any cooler!
@Perverted Alchemist I'm pretty sure I have it's just been so long I'm going to re-watch it thanks for reminding me.
I can tell that it does indeed use a teletext display. Philips made the chips. The classic being the SA5050 which was used in the BBC Micro.
The lighting is so good I thought you was filming outside for a good 4 minutes.
I like the way you say "DCC". Worth the thumbs up.
And you spoke it 28 times - 0:13, 0:29, 0:37, 0:42, 1:13, 1:54, 2:14, 2:38, 2:56, 2:58, 3:59, 4:03, 4:33, 5:23, 6:18, 6:22, 6:32, 6:47, 7:18, 7:23, 7:47, 8:28, 8:41, 9:18, 9:29, 10:13, 10:16, 10:17
On the upside, that Michael Penn album is pretty good. Also, he's Sean Penn's brother.
And married to Aimee Mann!
I've got Free For All on CD and it's a good album. His first album March is better in my opinion.
I’m personally a big fan of his third album, Resigned. All five of them are really good, though.
Mr. Hollywood Jr., 1947 has a few masterpieces too. He's a brilliant singer/songwriter.
Did you sit through the whole tape in case there's a single hidden message in the middle?
LGR and techmoan!!! What a Friday!!!
I appreciate that you leave stuff like the disappointment of the lack of lyrics in the video, we've all been there at one time or another hahaha
"Sorry Michael".
Mat - The nicest guy in youtube-based electronic product demonstration and explanation video production.
Nice to see a late night vid upload :)
Jesus. I know I'm a weirdo but Michael Penn's "Free-for-All" is near the top of my favorite albums of all time. My heart skipped a beat when Mat pulled that cassette out of the box.
I suddenly want to turn my 386SX into a DCC processing/mastering machine. QEMM v6.1, eh? Challenge accepted. Thanks for another great video!
500MB of DRAM was probably around $20,000 at the time by the way :)
Oh..... god....... quarterdeck........ oh...........god
Yeah! My SX25 ought to be more than up to the task! :-D
But where am I going to get 500MB of 30-pin SIMMs?
@@nickwallette6201 Your sx would probably be capable of what the PC in that machine did, but only because the PC wasn't doing a lot of work. All it probably did was provide an editor for text information, and a way to record the audio to the memory buffer in real time. When it was done, the memory would hold all the bits that would go to the tape. The duplicators transferred the data from the memory to DCC tape at 64x speed. The normal bit rate of a DCC head is 96 kilobits per second per track, and there are 8 tracks and a slower auxiliary track that ran at 12kbps. So at 64x speed that's a total sustained data rate of 49.92 megabits per second. I'm pretty sure there was dedicated hardware to do that and the 386sx was not involved with that (except controlling the electronics that did the work).
Like always very interesting! Thank you 😊
Great video as always :-)
Rex Brown... Rex Brown... wait a moment!! That's the bassist/co-vocalist of Pantera! Unless we have a similarity, it seems awfully coincidental. He would do all that mixing mastering mumbo jumbo as well.
Pete Shelly's 1983 XL1 Album (and cassette probably) had a track that was a Sinclair Spectrum Programme that displayed the lyrics and graphics supposedly in sync with your album, I tried this once or twice back then, cannot rember much about it, but it did work.
Great, now I got The Rainbow Connection stuck in my head.
How much of an earworm is that, you don't even need to hear it!
Your show is my favorite
I hope the muppets are okay... I miss them.
Missin' 'eck!
I love you gangsta side. Cracks me up.
The fact that you know who Twista is just makes you that much more awesome :)
Thanks for another great vid😎👍 I thought I’d found a mistake in here but I’m pleased to say upon checking it isn’t, but I thought explain what I thought it was just in case anyone else falls for it.
The ‘Whitesnake’ album you showed here you said was called just ‘Whitesnake’ and this had me confused as I’ve always known that album to titled ‘1987’, named after the year it was released. Turns out we are BOTH right, let me explain. So in the UK, (where I’m from), and the rest the rest of Europe, the album was indeed released under the title ‘1987’ , but in the good old U.S. of A. , it was indeed released as a self titled album. To confuse matters further, according to Wikipedia, (so take this with a large pinch of salt🙄), in Japan it was sold as ‘Serpens Albus’ which apparently is the Latin for “White Snake” in reference to the words on the front cover of the album.
Anyway, thought I would just post this in case there were any other British/European fans of 80’s Rock music watching this who were a bit confused😁.
Thanks again, always love the content here & look forward to whatever you coming up next😎🤘👍
I recognized the Toby Keith song the moment the lyrics showed. He is one of my favorite artists.
Love your video's
There is a way of reading ebooks that displays single words in succession of each other in a way that is easy to read instantaneously and allows people to read books very quickly.
Imagine if they had that with the DCCs. Or even lyrics with any kind of music format.
love ur vids matt , i need more ..... nowwwwww
I really need to get in touch with Ralph to get my DCC deck back up and running.
Ralf just restored my Technics Dc8 , full re cap,belt and head replacement...it took about 6 months to source new working head...just assembled the deck few days ago... sounds fantastic.
WHERE ARE THE PUPPETS????? The main reason I subscribed to this! I'm gonna get a bunch of angry people together and lead a march to D.C. to protest. As far as to what the angry people are angry about, well I don't really care. They just need to be angry. And another reason for this march is to protest that there's not enough corn in the Banquet frozen dinners. Yeah, I think that's what I'm most upset about.
Love your videos, keep up the good work and all that jazz.
Imagine "Rap God" on a 12x1 LCD.
nice episode!
2 Techmoan videos in one week?
Am I dreaming?
Dear Techmoan,
I really enjoy watching your vlogs, but something
puzzles me.
Do you keep alll the machines and gadgets you've collected over
the years?
We caught a glimpse of your garage, livingroom, hobbyroom,
but your storage area must be of enormous proportions.
Or is there no hoarding involved? :p
I Have a portable DCC, looks like a walkman records as well as plays DCC tapes and normal tapes i never knew they made albums of artists on that format i used to use mine for recording my own music made with synthesizers and drum machines. its in my cupboard hidden away at the back wonder if it still works.
DCC thats a long time ago I even have two car radio's from Philips with dcc.
Great sounding ditigal radio for the time and even now still great 4x25 watts.
The good all times.
I miss the 90's dearly 😢
> Sees box:
I know that packaging tape!!!
That copy of Penne must be one of the most purchased copies of them all. What a cool little rumor to have floating around.
There I was thinking DCC (Digital Computer Control) was a way of controlling model railway layouts and locomotives ...... BobUK.
As always.. a cracking video. Nothing odd about it. :-)
Very interesting.
And I got excited to habe all the snalog tapes from my grandpa. At leas I have 3 days of classical recorded from the radio and from Deustche Gramphone.
That Gamer Storm logo haunts me everywhere I go.
Techmoan Is that sound at the end of your videos from The Six Million Dollar Man?
Maybe the intent with "synced lyrics" on a 12-character display was one word at a time, without scrolling function? Seems like the other ITTS data was timed properly to indicate the word karaoke-style.
Nice to finally see Depeche Mode make an appearance here on the channel!!
I bought a DCC tape off of the dccmuseum and I need to send my player off to him for repair as the display does not work. the player plays fine but nothing on the display lights up.
I'm assuming the cases have (so far) made it undamaged? If they're anything like compact cassette cases (fragile, breakable plastics) they've done well in that damaged box.
- ̗̀A Bacchus ̖́- The all made it to Los Angeles.
@@DRDCC Glad to hear! 🙂
You know someone is putting together a new DCC release with lyrics after seeing this.
Hopefully.
Dang those albums are legend
Wonder if there's a way to dump these digitally for archival and format research purposes.
Well, if one really wishes, he/she/it/attack-helicopter can make a digital dump of what would be bit-streamed to the hardware after the reading head did it's job.
It's gonna take quite the reverse engineering of the devices tho, but that would end up pretty much as an .ISO of the tape in the end.
Bowie and The Cure on DCC. Now I must have it ;)
I have to give you some grief for not knowing and loving the work of the super talented Michael Penn!
Sean Penn's brother and Aimee Mann's husband. He also has music on several good film soundtracks.
Are you aware of Juice Crew or the World Class Wreckin' Cru?
I wouldn't give you grief if you weren't - because I understand that not everyone is into the same thing - if we were there would only need to be one musical artist and everyone would love everything they made.
@@Techmoan Actually I am aware of the World Class Wreckin' Cru, but I would rather listen to your show LOL
Seriously, did you not see 'I Am Sam' with Sean Penn? Brother Michael is on the soundtyrack singing "Two Of Us".
Tangentally, although I am a big fan of both The Stranglers (UK) and Skyhooks (Australia), neither of those bands had any sales or airplay in the USA where I live. I never let regional fame stand in the way of my record collecting.
Hi Techmoan, my DCC 130 does not play anymore. Everything is fine, but the tape does not move. Also no motor sound, but as I said all the digital controls work. Not sure if it's a motor or belt issue. Can you have a look for me?
Yes it would be very difficult to read the text scrolling by at 200wpm. However, if you flash the entire words on the screen our eyes can recognize that much quicker and read it in realtime.
I wonder if Ralph could release his documentary on a DCC
So neat!
Pet Sounds on the thumbnail brought me in here.
Hi, did you ever do a video on fitting the blinds I can see in this current video? Thanks..
They were fitted by some professional chap - I think they’re the same as these. czcams.com/video/c_wTQe4-nsM/video.html
I have an ‘enhanced’ CD of Fleetwood Mac’s album, Behind the Mask which says it contains extra content which can be played along with the music. I’ve never seen what this content is but maybe I’ll look it out and google the specific format. Could be a rare CD!
That reminds me, I need to order the "Flippin' 'eck" coffee mug.
How did they stack up to modern digital files what would be a modern music file comparison?
Now you can watch the documentary on DCC Museum’s CZcams Channel
So, Google isn’t being much help... was trying to see if there may have been some karaoke machine with a built in monitor or a video out. I’m also trying to remember if there were any in car double din receivers that were DCC. They would have enough display area to accommodate readable text, even if the display tech was the same as what you have on your player.
5:33 The HP-01 wristwatch (Computing Time Instrument) is from 1977. Hope it still works. Have you done a video about the HP-01 ?
czcams.com/video/gGQrsSEaZkI/video.html
poor DCC , no longer lyrics for itself in the homes , just a museum piece , a digital relic
Ok, I can fully understand that Aqualung is collectable, but MU? Does it contain some odd track, or why?