Porsche Cayman S vs Cayman R

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  • @AdamS32828
    @AdamS32828 Před 13 lety +4

    I think the one of the best parts about this car is that you can actually use it everyday, with its double-trunk space and PDK, plus the balanced suspension.

  • @meatmissilef111
    @meatmissilef111 Před 11 lety +32

    I think for 50kg I'd rather have a radio and A/C

  • @Dreadzedan
    @Dreadzedan Před 12 lety +8

    that would cannibalize the 911, that why Porsche refuse to put power in it near the 911 hierarchy because they know this is a much superior chassis layout etc, and better looking to most.

    • @pushatsinfrared
      @pushatsinfrared Před 4 lety

      Dreadzedan *Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder 981 and 982 enter the chat*

  • @petroltalks
    @petroltalks Před 13 lety

    nice filming , good information, good drivers
    fantastic channel !!!

  • @Reathalack
    @Reathalack Před 11 lety +4

    The only reason the Cayman doesn't have a bigger engine is because Porsche want a middle-of-the-road Porsche. They have the Boxter, the Cayman and the 911 (modern) of the sports cars. You could theoretically put the heaviest 911 engine into the Cayman, but then it would be better. The Cayman isn't supposed to be better.

  • @davidmoore5822
    @davidmoore5822 Před 5 lety +2

    I love driving the Cayman S, my buddy has one that he lets me drive. A most generous man. Poise and enthusiasm are my best description of these cars. But no air con and no radio/sound system, what a downer for the R. Especially for Australian conditions, no air is one thing but our roads eat lightweight rims for snacks. Porsche must be commended on going mid engine. Future Carreras will be thus.

  • @randombloke10
    @randombloke10 Před 13 lety

    @gurvir44 fantastic car i'm a big audi fan myself especially there motorsport division, 24th april lemans 24h test race :D fantastic. looking to buy an A1 built from the chassis of a vw polo, 1.4l 185bhp and dual clutch gearbox, if your from the states then i dont think its out coming to the USA not yet anyway. what engine did you go for?

  • @teakbridge101
    @teakbridge101 Před 13 lety

    Finally! I have been waiting for this comparision!!!!

  • @l33t_g33k
    @l33t_g33k Před 7 lety +5

    Shows up in a holden t-shirt to test a Porsche...

  • @elirentz
    @elirentz Před 13 lety

    @itsdastuff So you want/ need traction control in your sports car? Every time I get in the Caymen S (without the lsd) I turn off the PASM. I'd rather control it myself personally especially on track/ autox.

  • @sireg9vti
    @sireg9vti Před 5 lety +1

    Would love one of either as they are definitely the two most driver focused 987s. Unfortunately The R won't depreciate and the S has bore score woes.

    • @ZZDavidJRZZ
      @ZZDavidJRZZ Před 5 lety +2

      That's a Gen2 version with the revised engine, no reports of scored bores on those.

  • @detective3728
    @detective3728 Před 7 lety +3

    The prices on the Cayman R now, are so up in the roof..

  • @Chaoutzu
    @Chaoutzu Před 11 lety +1

    It's not just that. Its got a bit more power, a different tune, different cam. Also the suspension is different, and the wheels are the lightest wheels any porsche has on them. I don't think anyone would really buy this though, unless they were a purist and either collected cars, or actually raced them on the track.

  • @ipodkiller6
    @ipodkiller6 Před 13 lety

    In my opinion these Caymans are the best looking Porsches made at the moment. That rear end finally looks refined. I really love it!

  • @tigerbalm666
    @tigerbalm666 Před 11 lety

    I love that green - both shades are not bad at all! I prefer blue, but damn I could live with that darker, richer green with some blue tones.

  • @markmcc21
    @markmcc21 Před 9 lety

    Im picking up my Cayman R tomorrow. Test drove it and certainly is the best handling car iv driven. Never driven a 911 or a cayman s but i dont need to as i dont want one. In time when i can afford the next step up ill go for a 997 911 gt3. but they are silly money and i doubt they will depreciate anymore. Dont see why ppl keep comparing the Cayman and 911, they are different cars, aimed at ppl who want different things. Ones mid engine ones rear. one has 2 seats the other has 4. one has rear wheel drive and the other can come in 4 wheel drive soft top, targa and coupe, turbo. So many differences but ppl still think they can be compared.

  • @metamuse42
    @metamuse42 Před 13 lety

    @spencermel is that why the porsche 911 turbo roasts the z06 on the nurburgring?

  • @lastmiles
    @lastmiles Před 12 lety

    No mention of brakes at all? I am thinking of moving to a Carrera GTS in the spring or perhaps another Cayman S but with the ceramic brakes, pasm and the usual sport options. Not too sure about those ceramic brakes however. My primary concern is that the cost versus the benefit just is not there. The standard brakes seem to be up to the task very well and are fairly cheap to swap out pads and rotors. The ceramics are offensive in cost for maybe 10% better performance. It is a tough call.

  • @MathewBMW
    @MathewBMW Před 13 lety +1

    @subestimado You're absolutely right. We have 911 (aspirated) GT3 RS MKII and 911 (not-aspirated) GT2 RS, which are also "track cars" like these you said: Boxter Spyder and Cayman R. They're all great and they value what you pay, but I still prefer a Boxter Spyder, don't you?
    PS: "I don't know if the Cayman is better, it's just a Boxster with a roof", Jeremy Clarkson.

  • @86kinky86
    @86kinky86 Před 13 lety

    great reviewer with awesome driving skills.

  • @gurlsingerfan
    @gurlsingerfan Před 13 lety

    @MikeW259 I like your logic :-). By the way, I live in KY and do much of my driving even further to the south in Alabama...so you may have to make that 110 miles per hour that far south...:-) Do you think that will work with state troopers, that with no AC you get to drive faster the further south you are to compensate? It's the only humane way to handle it I would say...

  • @fctsui57
    @fctsui57 Před 13 lety

    I will find out which one is better in two weeks. I have a 2008 Cayman S with titronic shfit and ordered a Cayman R with PDK in Feb. that should arrive in end of May or early June. I love the mid engine design of the Cayman.

  • @marshknute
    @marshknute Před 13 lety +1

    @llovevuvu My uncle races his GT3 with the Porsche Club of America, and he and other racers never use the AC. The Cayman R was designed for track use and is commonly used at Porsche Club race events (alongside similar stripped-out Porsches like the Boxster Spyder, GT3 and GT3 RS). For road use the R doesn't make too much sense as Porsche owners would likely never notice the difference between a Cayman S and Cayman R.

  • @gurlsingerfan
    @gurlsingerfan Před 13 lety +1

    Opting for the no air conditioning is a gutsy move....it essentailly marks the car as a one you would buy for yourself for the joy of driving. Most of the U.S. is unbearable in summer with no air-conditioning, so it is not the kind of car for weekend excursions with the girlfriend or wife (have you ever tried to deal with a woman in an non-air conditioned car in the summer...its not pretty). This car would appeal to a very select group of performance enthusiasts, hang the tail out crowd.

  • @JETZcorp
    @JETZcorp Před 13 lety

    @JaySee5 I don't think that would end well for the Boxster, at least in terms of performance. Caymans are generally regarded as the better-handling between the two, and I imagine the same would be true of these stripped-out versions.

  • @Shift4g
    @Shift4g Před 13 lety

    @minibus1351 You simply have to factor in how much any of the differences would cost if you tried to do them yourself on the S, and the value comes somewhat into view.

  • @fctsui57
    @fctsui57 Před 13 lety

    @Chunderitis Those are options, you can add them on.

  • @OUTRID3R_117
    @OUTRID3R_117 Před 12 lety +1

    What's the demand factor for this car? Is it for enthusiasts who want a nice Porsche but don't want to look like all the other 911-leasing jerk offs in their town? Saw one today. It looked good.

  • @n9athan
    @n9athan Před 12 lety +1

    Porsche needs to take the cayman to its full potential, it would be amazing to see the 4.0L flat six from the gt3rs 4.0 in the cayman with a lighter chassis. Call it the cayman rs haha.

    • @p1fly
      @p1fly Před rokem

      It's here the Cayman gt4rs

    • @n9athan
      @n9athan Před rokem

      @@p1fly 11 years later lol

  • @esca8652
    @esca8652 Před 13 lety

    @DumpValvesAndDnB I agree. I think as long as a car looks pretty and drives and handles well and is of course fun to drive, then that's all that should matter for the average person.

  • @aurelian1
    @aurelian1 Před 13 lety +1

    @zephyrod Don't know why people are hung up on lap times for this. We know that a Cayman R driven equally well will be slightly faster than a Cayman S. What's pointless is having a number that means nothing for how you'll actually drive the car yourself.

  • @MusicAnimeNSX
    @MusicAnimeNSX Před 12 lety

    I would like to see the Cayman R vs. the only NSX-R in UK. It will be a good comparison to see Porsche did something magical in a decade since the NA2 NSX-R.

  • @fctsui57
    @fctsui57 Před 13 lety

    @xevious2501 You can add the radio with NO additional cost. The AC is $1700!!

  • @mornadu
    @mornadu Před 11 lety +3

    Problem with that, the 911 would have to be discontinued.

  • @minibus1351
    @minibus1351 Před 13 lety

    @100littlecurses that's exactly what I'm thinking! AC is pretty much essential and the performance upgrade doesn't seem to be worth it. If it was substantially more lighter with more carbon fibre body parts then maybe..

  • @JaySee5
    @JaySee5 Před 13 lety

    Now they should do a Boxster Spyder vs Cayman R comparison.

  • @THEROADSMITH
    @THEROADSMITH Před 2 lety +1

    Am I the only one who noticed he’s a Pom in England driving a Porsche wearing a “holden” t shirt
    How/why

  • @JETZcorp
    @JETZcorp Před 13 lety

    @JaySee5 Ah, I see what you mean. I thought you meant like a competitive thing to see which is faster. But it sounds like you're talking about something more along the lines of the 911 Carrera vs 911 GT2 RS video Autocar did a while back.

  • @JesperMovies
    @JesperMovies Před 13 lety

    really cool cars!

  • @RayGettings
    @RayGettings Před 11 lety

    True...but whne you drive a small fast car (Porsche Cayman S) it's important that other drivers see you coming, even if that does require a less than attractive color. Ray

  • @Trades46
    @Trades46 Před 12 lety

    As a 911 admirer, this is no denying the MR triumphs over the RR. I would love to see a Cayman Turbo or a Cayman RS. It might make the 911 life more difficult, but that just strives the engineers in Porsche to make the 991 even more amazing than anything else. The 911 is already a top of the class car, but I believe that they can make it even better.

    • @cobass
      @cobass Před 2 lety

      9 years later, gt4 and gt4 rs

  • @CaymanClub
    @CaymanClub Před 13 lety

    For those wanting numbers or detailed information the place to visit for Cayman information is planet-9.com which specializes in the Cayman and is home of the Cayman Club and various Cayman-related racing series. BTW, watch the two cars on the road at the beginning, you can see the stiffer suspension reactions in the Cayman R vs. the S, very similar to having PASM in sport mode.

  • @jayMbodybuilding
    @jayMbodybuilding Před 12 lety

    personally i think this is one of the most beautiful porsches out. how much tourque, horse does this beast has?

  • @nanotube25
    @nanotube25 Před 13 lety

    great driver´!

  • @lastmiles
    @lastmiles Před 12 lety +1

    @3089280288 well, the up front PCCB cost are no real concern. I was thinking of the maintenance costs. I swap out my rear tires twice a year and get new fronts as needed. The brakes, however, seem to really survive a lot of abuse neatly and work wonderfully. I have put a very hard 20,000 km on my current set and the Porsche techs tell me I have 60% of my front pads left and 80% on the rear. The standard brakes on the Cayman S are really wonderful. The ceramics? Well, who knows really.

  • @aurelian1
    @aurelian1 Před 13 lety

    @zephyrod The problem is, again, that we know it'll be slightly better -- not a huge amount better, simply because it's about 50kg lighter and a little bit more powerful. I'd argue that the subjective driving experience described in the video is more important, because that's how it'll actually feel from day to day. Unless you hit the track every week and genuinely care about your lap times, you need more than just numbers.

  • @VolV8
    @VolV8 Před 13 lety

    lol @ his Holden t-shirt.
    Uniform of every second bogan in Australia!

  • @SmacSA
    @SmacSA Před 13 lety

    nice Holden t-Shirt !!

  • @StueLord
    @StueLord Před 13 lety +2

    AWESOME , HE'S WEARING A HOLDEN SHIRT!

  • @BurnRubberL12
    @BurnRubberL12 Před 13 lety

    i live in brackley the nearest town to silverstone and i ride my motorbike around all the roads he goes on at the start :P

  • @akburst510
    @akburst510 Před 12 lety +9

    I DEMAND Porsche make a Cayman Turbo.

  • @ShadowFalcon
    @ShadowFalcon Před 13 lety

    @KaiserKujo
    Why would I wear a Ferrari cap in Denmark?
    Because it looks cool and it's an awesome car manufacturer.

  • @fctsui57
    @fctsui57 Před 13 lety

    Drove the Cayman R for two days already. It is faster than the S but not as comfortable. The 7 speed PDK is excellent, respond quicker than the titronic. For US$3,600 more, I definitely recommend the Cayman R than the S. But if you don't mind to sacrific a little performance and want more comfort for daily driving. You should consider the S. I had a 2008 Cayman S with titronic for three years and still love it. but can't keep both. BTW, either the R or S handles better than the 911.

  • @Arjandeiro
    @Arjandeiro Před 12 lety

    @3:08, that is a scary guardrail :o

  • @ouzts12
    @ouzts12 Před 11 lety

    4:17 "oodles of feel" :3

  • @spider5604
    @spider5604 Před 13 lety

    4:43why did he brake at the apex?

  • @Monkeylabs
    @Monkeylabs Před 13 lety

    3:10 awesome!

  • @mobeenamjad1
    @mobeenamjad1 Před 13 lety

    @tanner1ie oh, of course, i forgot to mention that but the place where i live, its quite hot here. have to prefer AC over music this time!

  • @moakbik94
    @moakbik94 Před 13 lety

    which is which ?

  • @Normally_aspirated
    @Normally_aspirated Před 13 lety

    This dude can drive... he's so smooth.

  • @viasevenvai
    @viasevenvai Před 13 lety

    @MrLoose26 maybe, he also noted it might have been from the LSD.

  • @JaySee5
    @JaySee5 Před 13 lety

    @JETZcorp The point would be to see how much performance you lose by going convertible since they're almost the same car.

  • @dagnut
    @dagnut Před 13 lety

    The unsprung weight saved by the wheels makes the most difference...get your self those rims..a decatt/remap...same suspension set up and turn your "S" into an "R"

  • @fctsui57
    @fctsui57 Před 13 lety

    Also, the black fixed spoiler of the Cayman R makes the car looks much more sexier than the S. The leather steering wheel in the R is also a plus. Overall, the Cayman R is a better driving car in all aspects but not as comfort as the S. The R definitely has the better look than the S. BTW, both my Cayman R and S are Speedy Yellow in Color. I think that is the best color for any Porsche.

  • @JaySee5
    @JaySee5 Před 13 lety

    @JETZcorp No, just like this video. We know the R is faster, but it shows what's gained and what's lost in going up to the R from the S.

  • @angelneo1079
    @angelneo1079 Před 4 měsíci

    I love this video

  • @KuntaKinteToby
    @KuntaKinteToby Před 10 lety +3

    The should put the 3.8 L 400 HP engine from the Carrera S in the Cayman.

    • @m3lightweight
      @m3lightweight Před 9 lety +3

      I think you certainly have the foresight in seeing that happen. Look at the new GT4.

    • @jW-kr5xn
      @jW-kr5xn Před 9 lety +5

      Cayman gt4 lol

    • @KuntaKinteToby
      @KuntaKinteToby Před 9 lety +5

      Jason wong Yes, I posted this a year ago, evidently Porsche had the same thinking I did.

    • @MagicAyrtonforever
      @MagicAyrtonforever Před 9 lety +3

      BarakaObama2012 Yes but they also use long gearing and have detuned the engine to 385hp.. so not quite the car we were expecting!

  • @Robbieifyoucan
    @Robbieifyoucan Před 12 lety

    @shobin05 LOL! The cayman is a boxster coupe... and the boxster is a cayman cabriolet. They are literally exactly the same, same engine (in the base model). They just made this car to make money, what they should do is scrap the boxster and make the Cayman in a coupe and cabrio...

  • @EugeneCamilleri
    @EugeneCamilleri Před 12 lety +1

    A car, no matter how fast or furious, is not a car without a radio and Air Con. I also prefer the shape of the Cayman S. I'm sorry, the R is for regression.

  • @Emil-Roma
    @Emil-Roma Před 12 lety

    @n9athan Hell, I guess it would more than do with a 911 Carrera engine, provided it had the lightweight body of a Cayman R.

  • @100littlecurses
    @100littlecurses Před 13 lety

    @minibus1351 Exactly. I mean, if you put a person in the passenger seat, the weight saving is gone. Also, I don't think 110 lbs is noticeable in a car's performance and cornering ability.

  • @mornadu
    @mornadu Před 13 lety

    @CarAddictCrAzY Lighter steering, he talks about how it moves the weight around into under or oversteer. That is called handling my god sir.

  • @AlternativeUses
    @AlternativeUses Před 13 lety

    the cayman R is pretty much my ideal trackday car minus something nuts like a gallardo superleggera

  • @DZoneMotorsportTV
    @DZoneMotorsportTV Před 13 lety

    And ironically, an old Porsche drives past in the background @ 5:16.

  • @erikgee123
    @erikgee123 Před 12 lety

    There is an in depth review of the '12 Cayman R here:
    definitiveautoreview . com/road-tests/12-porsche-cayman-r/

  • @resomer
    @resomer Před 13 lety

    @geforce5700fx very very true comment. thanks for that.
    greetings from germany

  • @plug007
    @plug007 Před 12 lety

    They wont do that because it would out perform the gt3 and Porsche sales could go down. Good idea for a car though!

  • @sail0r2
    @sail0r2 Před 12 lety

    @shobin05 the cayman is pretty much a coupe boxter and a boxter is a cayman roadster haha.

  • @JesusHatesChristians
    @JesusHatesChristians Před 13 lety +4

    @wownurdable
    Cayman S(treet)
    Cayman R(acetrack)

    • @drewwalton5973
      @drewwalton5973 Před 3 lety

      Actually S is for Super and R in this case is Racing. But the summary is spot on

    • @MoskusMoskiferus1611
      @MoskusMoskiferus1611 Před 3 lety

      @@drewwalton5973. I believe S is for Sport

    • @drewwalton5973
      @drewwalton5973 Před 3 lety

      @@MoskusMoskiferus1611 Possibly now, different sources say different things it seems.. although it always used to be for Super, 356 Super 90 for example although not shortened to ‘S’, 944 S definitely stood for Super aswell. Maybe Porsche have fallen in line with most other manufactures who offer sport (S) models. Either way I prefer Super, any Porsche is meant to be sporty, and an ‘S’ Porsche is just Super!

  • @gurvir44
    @gurvir44 Před 13 lety

    @randombloke10 lol just making sure, cuz i just spent 65g on a audi a6 and was wondering lol.

  • @mornadu
    @mornadu Před 13 lety

    @CarAddictCrAzY Your question is stupid.. its ride comfort is obviously worse since its an R version. Stiffer suspension etc. It weighs 50 kilos less and has 10 more horses.. go figure that its not insanely faster, its only more agile and better at turn in. Top speed has probably hardly moved as well, if u are really that interested in minor details go check wikipedia ;)

  • @sniperBOBAH
    @sniperBOBAH Před 3 lety

    With modern Cup2 tyres this car should be an amazing drinving machine nowdays.

  • @CarAddictCrAzY
    @CarAddictCrAzY Před 13 lety

    @mornadu ok fine but what about the rest that i said?

  • @1TB0T
    @1TB0T Před 6 lety +1

    NO aircon. Ah that's why I can't find a Cayman R in Australia. I'll stick with my S :)

  • @obeasthead
    @obeasthead Před 13 lety

    he was talking all serious and with a straight face then he suddenly went "hehehe~" hahahaha

  • @VivaLaFelix11
    @VivaLaFelix11 Před 12 lety

    @shobin05 Boxster is cayman roadster and cayman is Boxster coupe ;)

  • @3089280288
    @3089280288 Před 12 lety

    @lastmiles 8 thousand for the ceramics.

  • @boy638
    @boy638 Před 13 lety

    since he is already at a track, why did they not compare their lap times and see the difference?

  • @joeyoung3319
    @joeyoung3319 Před 10 měsíci

    Put the stickiest tires on the R AND THEN see how it goes around a track.

  • @zephyrod
    @zephyrod Před 13 lety

    @postalshack The Lap Time is the only thing that proves if all the weight saving and the extra cost are worth it. In this video they just tell us what we can read in a magazine or an article I would have wanted to see a Drag Race between the two, a shoot out, lap times, something that proves the R version is worth the money, i mean How much better is it really is against the S ???

  • @subestimado
    @subestimado Před 13 lety

    The Spyder and theR perform nearly identically for all practical purposes. The difference wil be the driver.
    Both are amazing. As are each of the 987 variants produced to date.
    No serious enthusiast thinks otherwise.

  • @Shift4g
    @Shift4g Před 13 lety

    @boy638 They don't have a tame racing driver who could return credible times?

  • @Kaipelana
    @Kaipelana Před 13 lety

    It's the limited slip diff. Wish it were standard.

  • @rosenfeld8
    @rosenfeld8 Před 13 lety

    odd review this one, he says the R has more understeer than the S but ends up saying it's 10 to 15 % better handling.

  • @quwers
    @quwers Před 13 lety

    So what Autocar are basically saying is that you should go and watch the latest MCN video about 3 vehicles that normal people can afford.

  • @budda98
    @budda98 Před 13 lety

    i like the holden shirt

  • @BlackenedNL
    @BlackenedNL Před 13 lety

    pretty nice

  • @DumpValvesAndDnB
    @DumpValvesAndDnB Před 13 lety

    look at that turn in!!! 0:18 :O
    ....and for all you begging for lap time. He perfectly explained the difference between the characteristsics of the 2 cars. He's not a racing driver, im sure you aren't so why is an extra 6 tenths or so so important to you? The extra feel and enjoyment you get from driving it is what is important.
    There are only 2 kinds of people who compare road cars using lap times; Knobs and show-offs.

  • @Crasher_7
    @Crasher_7 Před 13 lety

    He is so happy driving the R

  • @a64738
    @a64738 Před 25 dny

    Cayman R cost 3 times as much on the used market as the non R model with same engine and same horse power... If you buy new then buy GT, R or similar as they will tripple or more in value if you sell them later compared to the regular models.