Why I Stopped Using These Types of Water Bottles & What I Use Instead
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- čas přidán 26. 05. 2022
- Why I Stopped Using These Types of Water Bottles & What I Use Instead
As I continually review and revise the kit that I carry, I often come up with opportunities to modify practices that I've been undertaking for years.
In this video I share one such example around my long standing use of hard containers to carry my water.
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I too don't see the any point in reducing space in my bag during a hike. I've got plenty of space anyway. I see the point in reducing weight by using a water filter instead of carrying extra water from the start. But I have noticed in the last 2 years that some hikes I do regularly now have dried up streams in summer so I have stopped using a filter and gone back to carrying water. So it becomes essential that at least one of my water bottles ( I carry 2, a 500ml on my shoulder strap and a bottle to refill from in my bag) is bombproof as it is my essential water supply. I do carry water tablets for emergency too. Thanks for the video.
Hey Alan, thanks for dropping by and adding your own perspective on this, it's really appreciated.
The inbuilt filter was certainly the main attraction for me over the space-saving benefit, however, I must admit as I've gone down the minimalist/lightweight route over the past 12 months or so I'm using a much smaller pack than I used to, so every piece of space counts.
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Im not sure the bulk of an empty water bottle is a problem. because it should not stay empy for too long as an empty water bottle is usless anyway
The main advantage this type of filter offers is that, providing there is a water source, you don’t need to carry as much water with you, you can just fill up as you go. I used a bottle with a filter about 10 years ago, can’t remember the make it was something like the Lifesaver type. It wasn’t compressible like the Katadyn more like a plastic sports bottle you could squeeze. The flow rate was poor though and it was a bit of a pain, too much effort involved. I then switched to Aquamira chlorine dioxide drops which I liked as it didn’t leave a bad taste, packed small but the downside was you had to wait 30 mins or so before drinking. I now mostly use a Sawyer filter which I can either screw on a plastic bottle and drink from that or filter it into a bigger container/bladder. I personally don’t see a benefit for the reduction in volume maybe for runners wearing vests with elastic pockets to minimise bounce but not so much for walking. Although I did use a Platypus collapsible water bottle (no filter) when skiing because it fitted nicely in my jacket pocket and didn’t hurt if I fell on it (and I fell on it often) plus it saved space in the suitcase.
A few things to note with filters like this:
1) it doesn’t remove viruses - not really a problem in the UK - but bear in mind if using it overseas.
2) don’t allow it to freeze as it can damage the hollow fibre filter
3) they can get blocked by sediment or are designed to block before the filter fails
I had a Sawyer filter stop working completely on a wild camping trip once. I tried back flushing it though it hadn’t had much use and water was pretty clear but nothing worked, fortunately I had some chlorine dioxide with me and could use that as a back up otherwise I would have had to boil everything.
Many thanks for taking the time to share your own experience and perspective on this important subject, much appreciated.
Dehydrated water’s the way to go mate :)
For the win! 👍
Dehydrated water is the future. I just don't know what to add... 🤔
So, several times a day, you gain a few cubic inches of space in your pack.
(1) What do you use that cup of space for?
(2) And, where do you relocate that stuff to when you refill the bottle?
Sorry, I do not see a useful advantage here. I do see extra work switching things around, several times each day, to accommodate the temporary cupful of space. With less work, I could carry a solid bottle or canteen on the outside of a pack where it’s more readily available in the first place.
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The bottle usually lives in my hipbelt pocket as opposed to 'in' my pack as such. The area I operate in has no shortage of water sources so I am able to fill/filter/drink as I go without taking my pack off.
The main benefit as I mentioned in the video is the inbuilt filter making life so much easier and allowing me to drink without any delay.
@@TheBushcraftPadawan G’day, Padawan. An in-bottle filter will give that advantage. Thank you.
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After watching your video I decided to use this system when I went for a walk in the woods through the Smoky Mountains on the Appalachian Trail..
My rationale was that I would not be very far from a source of water along the path. I would supplement the one-liter bottle with a Smart Water bottle (It could be flavoured with an electrolyte or cordial). I would use a Cnoc two--litre bag to collect water, at a source when at a shelter; then I had a source of water overnight.
This saved me from carrying excess water between shelters/camping grounds which involved ascents and descents throughout the days' walk. As a litre of water weighs around a kilo, it did reduce the weight somewhat.
I'm very glad to hear that this approach also works for you on your adventures.
Thanks for dropping by and sharing your own experience from your corner of the world, it's really appreciated.
just watched this video on water filtration and I watched your low bulk low weight video yesterday and I must say what your saying is all very sensible and well thought out. Keep up the good work, Stevo
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Great points! I use the same filter!!! And switched for the same reasons you have. One divergence: I use it to fill my 3 ltr. bladder in my pack so I can have ample water when away from water sources and my pack bladder decreases in volume as well as I hike. I'm very happy with my Katydin and wondering how long the body will last as mine you squeeze to get the water out. Just remember to clean the outside whenever you dip it in your source water to protect against cross contamination. Agree with all your other points. THANKS FOR THE ALT. TIP ON REPLACEMENT BOTTLE! Much Respect!
Thanks for adding your own perspective on this David. It's always appreciated 👍
I have, for many decades, carried a 2L bota bag for water. When empty they flatten and roll up nicely for stowage. I never store my water inside my pack. It's clipped on the outside. Another advantage of a collapsable container is you don't have to endure the annoying 'chinese water torture' of that galump, galump, galump noise of a partially full canteen. Keep up the good work, Paduwan.
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Once again a challenging video. I will rethink some of my pre held beliefs. Thanks for that.
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Some very good, valid points. I have most of these and will now consider taking a bladder and mini out with me instead.
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Great Vid Craig. Thought provoking and a good topic to debate. - Which is what outdoor living skills are all about right? Water, as one of the big topics in the survival triangle, is something that needs serious consideration. And is not a place for short cuts. I have all 4 of your bottles and switch from one to the other depending on what environment I am living. I'll definitly replace the 0.6l with the flux when it eventually splits. Thanks for the heads up and thanks for the great video.
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Currently using a sawyer mini, however flow rate is abysmal and plan to replace with something like the befree. IMO Craig, if you have to accommodate a full bottle at some point, you always have to have that space available, so no real gain in reducing bulk. If the soft bottle were used as a back-up and it's primarily role was to filter water, that would make more sense.
I personally will look to find a durable rigid bottle compatible with the befree filter
Thanks for sharing your own setup Julian, much appreciated. I hope you manage to resolve the flow rate issue you're having.
Carry two containers for the filter usually a Sawyer Squeeze or mini regular plastic water bottles work with it and you can flatten those also. Have fun stay safe.
Thanks for sharing your own setup, much appreciated 👍
I'm a bushcrafter. All that is all great and good IF the only used of the bottle is for hydration only. But, with plastic bottles, there's always a risk of a hole forming. I will always carry a Stainless-Steel Canteen bottle set or a Titanium Canteen Bottle for its multifunction. With them, I don't need to carry any pots and pans. A canteen Bottle and cup will replace all of them. Which means, it will create extra space and reduce extra weight. Thanks
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Thanks Craig.
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Why don't you use an Hydration System for your Backpack ? Near every modern Backpack has an inside pouch for that kind of systems. You have a hose, which is outside your Backpack and you only have to take the hose to drink. You do not have to open the backpack at all. Only to refill the system.
I used to use hydration bladders back in the day but gave up on them in the end due to the faff involved. Cleaning/filtration/the bladder collapsing when almost empty etc.
I usually carry a 2,5 liter bag in my pack. Dependent on the ambient temperature and draught two bombproof 1 liter bottles on my belt or a two liter patrol canteen and a one liter bottle. The hydration bag collapses but the bottles remain at least one with nesting cup.
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Used a STD 2ltr fizzy drink bottle as my pack bottle for decades free with 35p of lemonade 😁. They are tough and durable and can be rolled up to reduce space if needed or carry empty and collapsed till camp time then fill if you need more water than the small day bottle . I carry a sawyer mini kit that screws to any fizzy drinks bottle so compatible with thousands of cheap easily available bottles. And usually a ready drink smaller 500ml fizzy drink bottle this can take dirty water and fit the sawyer but usually fill from the bigger bottle if needed via the filter . Bulk reduction once you start is a minimal to no existent need if that small bulk flexes up and down for the trip .
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If you can carry the size on the way out you can also carry it back home still having the same size.
You can indeed.
And if that size can be reduced out/back due to the proliferation of water sources en route then even better.
@@TheBushcraftPadawan Same point goes to the young people dumping their trash after the eat the meal or snacks, i see to much trash on the streets and in the nature, beer cans soda cans, why cant people bring it back home if they can carry it out when its even heavier????????😞😡🤬
@@nikolajc7617 Hear Hear 👍
Okay who has a Surefire way of measuring how many liters you ran through the filter I don't know how to measure or how to keep track of how many liters I've gone through so should I throw away the filters I have now are they still working was that 800 was that 20 anybody have a good idea
I certainly don't have a surefire way by any means other than guesstimating how much water I filter on average per trip and then how many trips I take over a period of a year.
The 1 L bottle certainly makes life easier in that respect than the 0.6 L.
Thanks, interesting video. We use a micro filter.
Hi Angela, thanks for dropping by. Long time, no speak!
@@TheBushcraftPadawan You had not been coming up on my feed!
Sorry, Craig, I'm not finding the link to the alternative bottle link... a little help? (I'm going to/like to get one)
Hi David, my apologies. I completely forgot to add the links. If you search in the CZcams description now you'll see that I've added links to both bottles.
@@TheBushcraftPadawan Thanks! And, no problem.
Videos are a bit long for most people, but the content is great! 😃
You can always watch it on x2 speed.
That's a good dog how is it finding the remote
She sniffs it out.
Youve come along way with your channel brother & your content is exceptional not seen your videos for some time as i only watch when i have the time.
However although i do agree with you regarding the science behind the water bottle & weight etc.
All depends wot the person is doing.
Now for hiking in the peaks etc when weight is an issue then this filter system woukd work very well.
For bushcraft tho i would take a Titanuim 1L bottle as i can boil water in it & is light weight & strong as steel.
But me being old school i still take my british army osprey bottle with me everywhere ive had that thing for errr how old am i now? 😂
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As with most things
"it depends"
is definitely a factor! 😉
But it needs to fit full so the space is still accounted for.
It only needs to fit full if you're going to put it into your pack full.
I live in an area with an incredible amount of rivers, streams etc. So I fill the bottle, drink it empty, then put it away.
Why do you need to lose bulk if you start off with it full as it emptied you are not going to fill the space with something else or when you refil where are you going to put it just have a sawyer can use on most bottle's bladders and 100,000gallons
Cheers Craig, what an excellent post.
I have been looking for a fit for purpose water filter for a while and as I own a fabulous 1 ltr, 2ltr & 3ltr collapsible Hydrapak water container, your post shows the filter threads should fit.
Good stuff...🏕
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Hi Craig, an old plastic cordial bottle works for me. My sawyer fits on top. This type of bottle eventually looses it volume though use, they get a bit too crushed and don't recover their shape. That said, cheap and cheerful enough to replace especially of you have kids! Plus it good to repurpose plastics when you can.
All the best,
Tony
If it works, it works! 👍👏
Very interesting to see the hydrapak flux - thanks, diolch! Would love to see a follow up long term use review in the future, especially as so many reviews are by people who have not actually used their gear for an extended amount of time. PS - hope you are learning Welsh! Don’t forget that the linguistic diversity is highly threatened, just like biodiversity :)
Hi Ben, thanks for taking the time to watch and comment on the video, it's really appreciated.
I was in two minds about whether to feature the Flux in this video as it had never seen any real usage, however I went ahead as the focus of the video was really about the BeFree water filter which has had much longer term usage.
I shall certainly be revisiting the Flux once it's had more time out on the hills.
Platypus have had this for years, But im still a fan of other makes.
Yeah, I remember being a platypus bottle user myself some years ago, but I don't ever recall the inbuilt filter at that time.
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@@TheBushcraftPadawan They make a inline system, which you can add to most containers, Plus very small.
@@beachsleeper Thanks for sharing.
Durability is notoriously bad on those soft bottles pretty much everyone has had issues with them! The Hydrapak is better.
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The Hyrdapak is still only a couple of weeks old so I haven't really had it long enough to comment on its long-term durability, but it certainly feels tougher than the Katadyn bottle without sacrificing any flexibility.
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I think I'll stick with my Gryl
Whatever works 👍👍👍
Why was that video 17 minutes long? You could have comfortably covered the subject in 3-5 minutes,
Sorry that you didn't enjoy the video Chris, but thank you for the feedback.
I'm away from home at the moment but once I get back I'll pop over to your channel to see how it should be done.👍
The other thing about the mil issue Plastic bottle it's designed to be fixed by melting with a hot knife, one other thing, never trust a water filter 100%, always boil your water, speaking from explosive experience.....LoL!!!