My 2024 Formula 1 Mid Season Report
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We're half way though the 2024 Formula 1 Season - so let's reflect.
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Remember when people were writing off this season after 1 race saying it's a Red Bull wrap. Now look where we are!
I am so happy that I've been proven wrong about this season😂😂
Good vibes came thru clutch.
bruh can we not act like RB wasn't dominating for the first 5 races 😭.
The championship fight is over unless RB has reliability issues again so you can't blame the masses for being depressed.
this is the f1 fanbase and media all the time. IDK why its so strong in f1 but everyone has short term memory.
1000% 🤣
Community poll really proves the average F1 fan doesn't remember more then the last 2 or 3 races.
so true the recency bias is mental
They've said it most races this season but "you're only as good as your latest race." Which now that I say it... the ricciardo hype still blows my mind
@@boucher4.jp3g yeah in Bahrain Yuki almost crashed into riccardo post race and just 2 grand prix later people were already like "he's really matured now" 😂
i sure only remember about 2 at a time
Especially the Brits who don't give a F**k on Checo, Max, RedBull and other drivers and teams. They only root Brits drivers and McLaren lol 😂😂😂
Russell and Piastri getting the exact same score is Jerez 97 levels of mental
Had to count it twice
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If i had a nickle for every time it's happened in my lifetome I'd have two nickles. Which isn't a lot but weird it's happened twice now
@@anareel4562damn this joke format became dull fast
@@TommoOnCZcamsRussell is criminally underrated by ppl like you. And he's British 😅
I just want everybody to know, whatever the outcome, my answers were the correct ones
Best comment I’ve seen this year 😂
As they should be Seamus.
I am shocked that Leclerc's average is below a 7, he must've had so many fives and sixes! Unreal giving what Ferrari has put him through lately
@@PatrickvanStokkenI gave him a 6....
😂😂😂 Well played!!
after 12 races it’s looking like such a good season, 12 races ago we were buckled in for a red bull/max domination. it’s great to see competition again
this season has also shown how important weather plays a role in F1, Canada and Silverstone was just exquisite.
Tad too late for a proper drivers title fight - but it's gearing up for a corker in 25
@@TommoOnCZcams yeah we just need mclaren to get on their game and iron out a few issues and it’ll be a great season
@@TommoOnCZcams Again in the last season before a massive regulation change
@@TommoOnCZcamsconstructors is very much on this year tho
i think the reason the community put checo last instead of sargeant is because logan has actually done better in qualifying lately which is insane to say. perez being at such a top level team and performing so poorly + the amount of damage he’s caused definitely warrants a very low placement imo but I don’t think he should be P20. also the community putting charles P9 is insane, I think there’s way too much recency bias factoring into the community’s vote overall
Logan has never outqualified Albon, but Logan has outqualified Perez 7 times.
Charles is actually validated since when he had a dominant car he was underperforming until monaco and after he is still underperforming
@@TheTwilight1924 he is underperforming because of his team. they've made him do so much data collections and then they paid him back with bad pitstops and strategy. He just hasnt had goodluck with the car and the team.
It’s favoritism.
F1 fans try to remain objective and unbiased
Level: impossible
Hamilton shilling even get's in the way of properly rating other British drivers. Like George Russell
I don't think anyone tried to remain objective ahahah
The way fans rated Charles and Fernando shows how quickly we forget😂 They had a great start to the season, especially Leclerc was fantastic.
Charles was fine but not equal to the performance of the car at that point in the season, and it really shows now that the Ferrari is trash
Charles Leclerc getting torpedoed by Ferrari strategy even on a community power ranking. That's insane
Recency bias is always strong among communities. Hamilton had a subpar year so far and he is only recently good enough but he is rated high. Leclerc had an incredible year until after Monaco (67% of the season) and he is rated low
@@mertcanhacfazloglu4862 but that last third has been absolutely terrible so it may not be that much of the season but that small portion being that awful brings his score down...also hamilton is only placed 1 place higher than tommos list which is purely because the community put leclerc below him promoting lewis up
Sainz is almost level on points with Leclerc despite missing a race. I think at the very least Charles should be behind his teammate. Even Charles’ DNF in Canada coincided with a howler from Carlos and so that was a wash.
@@TwinBornWolf He won Monaco. He had a engine failure in Canada.
He got a decent result in Spain. He got cut up by Piastri in Austria made 4 stops and recoverd to 11th. And he lost over 100 seconds due to the strategy in Silverstone.
None of the results should reflect his driver ranking. He was, with the possible exception of Max, the best driver for the first 8 races. He then has 4 weekends where he gets screwed over by outside factors and hes suddenly barley in the top 10
@@TwinBornWolfthe only thing you can criticize him for are his last two Qualifyings, those are the only things he’s messed up in the last four races. The dip of performance is on Ferrari and him being hit in Austria, not him
I know this is a community ranking so it’s not that deep but Leclerc being rated below 7 despite finishing top 4 for the first 8 races hurts man
Like I know the last 4 races weren’t great for him but you can’t say all or even most of it was down to him
You ranking George at 7 is unreal…should definitely be higher. What are all these other mistakes you’re talking about? Besides Canada?
Australia comes to mind
@@omarbazarbachi418 I'd say its 70-30 with more blame on Alonso because he was moving erratically and George's fault was that he didn't react quick enough to Alonso braking so early.
Most unexpected event of the season : Ferrari fumbling again
Expected*
Lewis was in tears because he saw his future as he lapped charles.
You spelt "expected" wrong. 😅
@@TommoOnCZcamsMost expected event of the season , George Russell getting criminally underrated by his fellow countryman. Why ? Because hamilton
Everyone (including Max) made mistakes in Canada - those were tricky conditions. I feel it is bit unfair to only dock points to George for that. Imo he had otherwise great season - I think putting him as low as 7 is underrating him way too much.
@@philanthropist1899 Completely agree. He should be top three at minimum.
@@gameofender4463 And top 4 at the worst if anything
@@gameofender4463 I'dd take Piastri, Max and Lando over George this season, but I would put him P4.
@@suckieduckie My response to that is that I don’t think we can adequately say that Norris & Piastri have really maximised their respective cars as much as George has.
Like, we know that George would’ve probably picked up more than the one win that both of them have combined. Whether it was Spain or Imola or Monaco (given how good he is in quali) or Austria or Canada if he was in that McLaren/a car as good as the McLaren.
@@gameofender4463 I think those 3 have been very close this season, but it's always hard to predict who would have done what in a different car. I suppose it's a bit unfair to pick Piastri over Russell because I'm keeping his upward trajectory in mind. Lando and George you can pick either.
Tommo and the community were high as fuck for these rating lmao
I wish we could see Nico in a Red Bull or Mclaren. I really think in Qualifying he is a Top 3 Driver on the Grid. His one Lap Pace was always insane.
Bro I would love Hulkenberg to get RB and perez to get dropped
he isnt, magnussen is as fast but cant put laps together more than 3 times a season
@@user-uc1ny1ns2o magnussen probably knows he is done and always has to now be careful to not get penalty points now that the car is becoming faster as well
If you are using the excuse of underlying pace to justify mistakes for Lando, I don’t really understand how you can justify ranking George so low despite saying those same things about him.
I agree, he should be higher and even with mistakes he’s still better than lewis this year by a considerable gap.
This is the art of F1 driver rankings. If a fan favourite driver isn't doing well it's always some external issue or bad luck or poor "underlying pace". If the driver gets a result it's because they "outperformed the car" (because we know every car is somehow 4th fastest).
Yeah I like Lando too don't get me wrong but the mental hoops people go through for him are wild, and he absolutely hasn't deserved his last few DOTD's
Leclerc 9th is mental. Really shows how much of a differencd reputation can make to how your results are perceived
George is being INSANLLY underrated
INSAN LIKE ALL-BRAN
Bro, we know its you. stop, its weird
George is being insanely underrated.
@@adamheddle430 Always seems to be the case with him unfortunately.
He’s ruined more opportunities than capitalized on them, for years now.
Russell deserves so much more credit. He has gotten so much out of that car. One bad race in canada and everyone is on his case. How many wins have mclaren and norris thrown away.
And the Race wasn’t even that bad in Canada, finished within DRS of p2 and it’s not like everyone else didn’t make mistakes. I’m not sure why only Russell gets mentioned.
@@Anna-gm6zy Even if you wanna count Australia as his error he threw away no more than like 6 points tbh.
@@saiyerugara9038 Yeah, how many mistakes have Piastri and Norris made in the last few races? More than Russell but they don’t get scrutinised as heavily for it. I just feel as though they should be treated with more equal expectations to an extent, all the things he said to excuse why Norris hasn’t been winning races can also be applied to Russell but they aren’t for some reason. I’d say Sainz’s spin alone in Canada was worse than Russell’s entire race but that gets mostly glossed over.
@@Anna-gm6zy Piastri, clearly faster car than Alonso in Japan and not only does he get beat by Alonso; Russell passes him too. Canada he should beat at least 1 Mercedes driver, ends up losing to both and that's before I mention that when him and Lando could be compared in competitive sessions, he's down like 18-5 or something like that. Also, Sainz's spin knocked out himself and his potential next teammate so yes...
@@saiyerugara9038 fully agree
That phone call was pure class😂
Russell lower than top 3 is actually criminal. Even more criminal is you putting him only a single spot above Hamilton.
He has a combined 21-7 quali+race record against Hamilton this year... I don't know what else he can do against an all-time great, who still very much has the pace. George has genuinely become the most underrated driver on the grid.
And this deluded alonso fangirl of a CZcamsr tries to sneak in a winless driver for a decade into top ten 😂😂
Anyone that’s in the Mercedes team or doesn’t like alonslow he will always downgrade to cover up the fact that stroll is owning alonslow as of recent 😂
I think he honestly deserves the spot behind Verstappen. He's been so solid this year. And arguably has he toughest competition besides Perez on the grid, and he's absolutely delivering. You can cite Canada as a missed opportunity, but then you can list a dozen of those for Norris and Piastri, I can name Leclerc and Sainz stinkers. Hulkenberg has Kmag as his teammate...
Come on now.
@@7BD273 Completely agree. I strongly believe that if he was in that McLaren, given his incredible quali pace, he could’ve been on pole for Monaco and won. And maybe even narrowly got the win at Imola and/or (potentially) Canada.
@@AZBCDEE is this "deluded Alonso fangirl" in the room with us now?
Yuki surprised me. So many people acted like he was a stepping stone for main character Danny ric to beat on his path back to redbull.
1. Max Verstappen
2. Lando Norris
3. Charles Leclerc
4. Nico Hulkenberg
5. George Russell
6. Carlos Sainz
7. Oscar Piastri
8. Lewis Hamilton
9. Fernando Alonso
10. Yuki Tsunoda
11. Alex Albon
12. Pierre Gasly
13. Esteban Ocon
14. Daniel Ricciardo
15. Lance Stroll
16. Kevin Magnussen
17. Valtteri Bottas
18. Sergio Perez
19. Zhou Guanyu
20. Logan Sargeant
Valtteri should be higher otherwise looks good
@@vikrantverma1125 Yeah probably ahead of Kmag. It’s hard to rank.
Tommo underrating Russell once again. Can’t take him seriously anymore. Yes he’s made a few mistakes, but that doesn’t change the fact he’s got the most out of a car that has been fourth best for the majority of this season.
@@jamiedavies5658 And tbf, the only real one was at Canada when pretty much all of them had a moment with the wet track.
Imagine getting triggered because of opinions. Lol😂
Putting Piastri above Russell was insane
Maybe he's a bit underrated but he still makes quite a few mistakes in the races. I think people look at his quali H2H against Lewis so overrate him, but don't factor in that much that Lewis has been quite poor.
Why were you ever taking me seriously? 😅
The theory is that Aston Martin is developing the car mid season to better suit Stroll instead of making it faster so Fernando can do his shenanigans. I'm not one for tinfoil hat theories most of the time but that would explain so much of what we see from that team. So much talent backed with real money and they're going backwards.
The conspiracy is that they are making the car more suited towards Stroll. The truth, as the team has said since the beginning of the season, is that they are focusing on making the car more drivable, and to open up the performance window. They no longer want a car that’s great at some tracks and terrible at others
I’m a Norris fan but imo:
Verstappen
Russell
Hulk
Norris
Leclerc
Sainz
Piastri (had a good triple header, but i don’t think his race pace deficit can put him ahead of the ferraris)
Hamilton
Tsunoda
Alonso
.Lando is second after max , people always say mclaren is the "fastest car" like its fastest by a huge margin cuz lando catches max in the second stint and forget that max was as fast in stint 1 as lando in stint 2. .lando has been under pressure the whole time ,Russell made 4-5 mistakes when he was under pressure in canada, also hulk is doing things similar like lando and george in their rookie years outperforming the car to qualify great and hold on once in a while .Piastri is also clearly ahead of sai and hulk ,but he also is not under much pressure like sai so u cant really say .lec u cant classify as well as he has had a run of poor form/luck due to the team mostly. the most solid >1.Max 2.Lando 3.Russell(can tell exactly ,with him at the front for more races) 3.leclerc(inconclusive) 4.Piastri 5.Sainz 6.Hamilton(will come up if he keeps performing like silverstone in the races) 7.Hulk(also will come up if he can keep doing it with the haas,now that it has been upgraded it may no longer be as slow as we know it)
George should be 2nd what else can he do?? The only mistake he made was Canada when others have made way more. George is so underrated because lewis is his teammate...
FACTOS 👍
@@flintey360 Exactly. That race was all over the place. Imo, that Merc wasn’t really as good as the Red Bull and the McLaren on race pace.
I think what gave that illusion is that George is incredible in qualifying. But it seems like some refuse to see how good he is in quali.
I thought he was poor in Spain. Amazing start but his defense is so bad. Diving to the inside, allowing Max to drive past on the racing line
Crashed himself in Australia
@@nickmildon6348The only thing you can fault him for is trying to fight Norris. If he lets Norris go, George most likely finishes third. (The Red Bull and McLaren had much more pace than the Merc in Spain.) Although the team made sure he had no chance of that, when they gave him a worse strategy compared to every other car around him
I must admit I fell into the recency bias trap with my Leclerc rating. I completely forgot how consistent he was before the Monaco win. My bad Charles!
Hey Tommo, Kevin finished 6 seconds behind Hulk in Austria, hardly 'further down the road' lol
Ferrari recency bias is insane
George should be higher
I think you forgot that Logan has been far behind Alex because he doesn't have the same car! Most of Logan's car has been scraps from last years car. Silverstone is the closest the cars have been all year and look how well that turned out for Logan.
Logan’s been doing great this year, he’s cause less damages to the car, been closer on pace, and with him not being in the same car who knows how much time he lost in Canada, where he was only a few hundredths off of 12th in quali and 2-3 tenths off of q3. He’s made massive strides, and while he hasn’t been perfect, he’s massively improved
He still isn't an f1quality driver
@@noinfo1018still
Does he really deserve an f1 seat over drivers like Lawson Pourchaire and Drugovich
"Scraps" is a stretch. Sure he's often not had the full upgrade packages of Alex, but that doesn't account for my biggest peev - his frequency of accidents. If he was demonstrating enough pace, they'd be keeping him. They're choosing not to, and that tells us all we need to know.
@@TommoOnCZcamsBritish bias, Logan has picked up the slack ever since he started getting equal upgrades
I think you should filter out about 5% of the votes that are on the edges.
Audi must be loving the Hulk's performances right now.
That Hulkenberg rating is kind of sick. The recent resultats are insane yes. Lando has outperformed so many times.Yuki has been so consistent in so many races against an objektive better teammate. Top 5 for Hulk is acceptabel… but top 2??
"Lando has outperformed [his car] so many times" - so has Nico. Nico hasn't bottled any clear opportunities, Lando has.
"Yuki has been so consistent in so many races against an [objectively] better teammate" - so has Nico. The "against an objectively better teammate" part is wrong btw, Danny isn't better than Yuki, and hasn't been properly good since before Yuki entered F1.
Top 2 is fowl he deserves top 1
@@jamiecook1522So does that mean that 2022 Lando was the best driver?
@@Slimmeyy Like Tommo said, a paradox exists for Lando where if he has worse race pace (lets say, just enough to beat Piastri still) and never puts himself into the opportunities he's had this season his performances so far probably get viewed more highly by people.
@@Jamie-ye7fu I think the overall community would agree with that, but personally that would make me either rate Lando lower or Oscar higher because they're so close.
Leclerc in 9th? I feel like we need a mid season re cap before we do ratings. Up until Monaco he had not finished lower than 4th in any race. The last few races hes had horrible luck and made stupid errors sure. But 9th? Nah
Okay but since monaco tho..... been slim man
Charles has had 9 good weekends and 4 bad ones. What other driver above him has had 4 bad weekends?
To be fair I think Yuki has had more good overtakes this season than Charles, and overall more memorable performances, excluding Charles' Monaco win (I'm Yuki's biggest fan)
There is no justification for putting Yuki above Leclerc, it’s ridiculous
I love that when it's summer time and Tommo gets a bit of sun his skin starts to match his channel theme colour
Sainz's australia comeback from appendicitis to comfortably win ahead of charles not being mentioned in best drive is criminal imo
Exactly! How could he forget this performance but remember Ricciardo at Miami? Doesn't make any sense.
Putting Hulk at p2 is insane actually. Are yall mad? He's done well in a Haas but P2 is GENEROUS
George deserves more
People don't seem to get the difference between driver performance and car performance.
Better drivers are in the better teams
It is also harder to fight at the front, norris has said this, you cannot make mistakes
Peak and troughs for Yuki?
He's been remarkably consistent.
not exactly. hes been a bit inconsistent as he always is, but hes getting there. has performed really well this season though.
WHO TF PUT CHARLES IN P9 AND HOW IS HE BELOW CARLOS?
How is he not? The last third of the year he has been quite simply not good enough. Yes there has been bad strategy from the team but his qualifying has been poor and he has had his own issues in the race like Silverstone, he was dropping like a stone. Sainz with a race less is right behind him on point and has just been a lot more consistent
@@strexle7446and sainz has lucked into a podium 3 times! Bahrain (Leclerc brake problems), Monaco ( shouldn’t have restarted 3rd after contact with piastri), Austria max and Norris retire). He’s genuinely been one of the luckiest drivers this year
@@mikasr.5aside from Bahrain, idt you can call those luck. Austria especially, Leclerc had the same opportunity as Carlos. Where was he?
@@preethasjenarthan5411 Austria is 100% lucky mate, Monaco he shouldn’t have restarted p3, even commentators were saying how lucky he was
@@mikasr.5 so where was Charles since Austria was lucky? Right he had a first lap contact with Piastri. And why did that happen? All I’m pointing out is Sainz is never allowed to talk about his “bad luck” when he has first lap incidents nor has unfortunate collisions with others. Instead he’s a shitty driver. But with Charles there’s always boat loads of excuses.
My opinion is this - Charles is a faster driver than Carlos. Anyone who disagrees is watching a different sport. Carlos is however a smarter driver and doesn’t overdrive the car. He rarely has the “bad luck” Charles has because he drives within the limits of the car and he plans more strategically with his engineers.
You can disagree but no one always has bad luck. Silverstone was a big example. Carlos knew the new spec was not good and voiced his opinion. Charles disagreed and he made the choice to run the new spec because he thought it was faster - articles came out before they even arrived at Silverstone about this. Now is this really the team experimenting or Charles not understanding how the car works better than Carlos? He ruined his own qualifying.
The choice of inters was Charles choice because he was struggling.
So no, Charles creates a lot of his own bad luck. He gets demoralised and then has a performance dip. I’ll give this to Carlos, no matter how badly he does (2022) and how many challenges are thrown his way, he has the mental fortitude to get out of it. Charles has that too, so I hope he gets out of this slump soon
Leclerc above sainz is wild
It's not mate, alright. leclerc had an amazing start of the season until Canada that alone should put him in the top 3 drivers this season
Fairly new to the channel, idk how many times this might have been said but I find the retro Gran Turismo background music extremely comforting
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putting lando p3 but george p7 is a little crazy
Lando has been easily the 2nd best driver this season tbh. People saying he bottles every race when he has barely made a mistake this season and most of his race losses are due to the team or just being unlucky. I think George is recency bias tbh and he bottled Canada too.
Lando has some mistakes almost every day. Sure, he isn't putting it in the wall but stuff like overshooting the box or the fact he's never had a Good start should add up over time in the consideration. His mistakes are ignored yet George's (and Charles' too, at that) are always in the talk...
@@TomC8042 i agree that Lando has driven really well this season (never said he hasn't), but he and his team have both made some mistakes. i think the same could be said about george and merc. the arguments tommo made for lando could also be applied for george, so having three positions between the two just feels unfair to me
@@marcoslugo6132 Norris mistakes are all I see on Twitter, even when he doesn't actually make one. And the thing about his starts while being somewhat true, is MASSIVELY exaggerated. He always gets good launches, its the 2nd phase where he struggles comparatively to Verstappen (The RBR is known for having INSANE 2nd phases to the start). Other than overshooting the box (which didn't affect his race), I can't think of another actual mistake this season that cost him. He is the only one actually taking it to Max and all I see is people criticising him.
they should be p2 and p3 without a doubt
This season is going so much better than I thought it would
K-Mag has been severely underrated once again. The final finishing result doesn't tell the full story. He consistently puts up arguably the most entertaining battles nearly every single race and always moves up the field. Definitely deserves to be ranked much higher!
KMag is rated okay here. The guy has been massively slower in quali than Hulkenberg and in race pace as well, that's why he acts like a moving chicane to help his team. There's a reason he's very likely to get dropped by the team.
@@gabrielnunez7623his race pace isnt even much worse than hülkenberg
his qualifying is poor. his actual pace is about the same as hulkenberg’s. but he either doesnt have the concentration, or ability, to put good laps together more than 4 times in a season. his race pace is very good thats for sure, but thats already gone after you qualified p15. just like in silverstone. he qualified low, but his race pace was only a tenth behind hulkenberg despite going through traffic and overtaking cars.
Nico has said himself that Kmag has been equal to him. Just been unlucky in quali with traffic. Guy is getting easily overlooked
@@lewis8552 nono, his real pace IS equal to hulkenberg, but he cant put good laps together either. yes he does have traffic very often but thats also haas’ fault.
Perez has to be last place surely
he does not, recency bias
@@matmatmatamatvsjdjfh he’s been worse than any other driver, the complete drop off to be so far behind in one of the best cars on the grid, and being knocked out in Q1 and Q2 in qualifying. He’s probably something like half a second or more behind max. Which is the biggest deficit compared to any other driver pairing
I aint a checo fan but he still hsd a good 4 races at the start of the season so you have to take that into account.@RisingDarkWolf
@@EthanF11111 P18 is the right place though.
@@vivekmohan4271 I mean yea, but gotta feel a little bad for the guy lmao
Hahaha that phone call, loved it. "Good bye" 😂
Ranking George that low is criminal !
The community rating Charles that low is actually criminal, recency bias rearing its ugly head I suppose haha
Idk theres been discourse and a narrativr that ferrari dropped the wrong driver for the whole season so its not that recent, still a bit absurd😅
He didn't have a good season at all. For being bagged by ferrari so much and pretty much being beaten by Carlos the first couple races easily and now the past shows why they really can't argue it's the best choice to keep him. Carlos lock way more solid and consistent while charles struggles and demands a lot for less performance
@@ehrlichgesagt863Carlos consistent? 😂 So that’s why Leclerc was literally on a run of 14-0 in competitive sessions. That is pure consistency that Carlos has never reached in his career
@@ehrlichgesagt863Charles was definitively second in the driver championship until race 9, how has he not been good
@@ehrlichgesagt863What the hell are you on? The guy was in the top 5 in every race he finished from Belgium 2023 until Spain this year. He's literally had an issue in every race from Canada onwards and only was legit slow in Silverstone quali and when he made it to P7 Ferrari fucked his race with the strat. Anyone legit thinking Sainz is better than Leclerc is high as fuck.
tommo puts some great, great stills in his videos. some i've seen, but a lot of them i haven't. dropping the shot of the two astons side by side when he was talking about alonso's head-to-head vs stroll was smooth as hell
I'm shocked to see Oscar this high. I don't think his race pace consistency is close to Lando's yet.
Honestly the rankings are pretty terrible for me it is 1. Max, 2. Russel, 3. lando, 4. Leclerc. 5 hulkenberg. Piastri P4 is too high for a guy 18-5 down on the h2h this season
@@errikos9968that’s my exact top 5
@@errikos9968keep in mind now this is his second year and he’s been really shafted for lando in strategy areas, unlucky with track limits, and if this year is the same as last is consistently at a disadvantage to Norris who I think gets the upgrades first….. (he did in 2023 austria/singapore i remember crofty saying) so I do think he’s on par with norris, just needs to work on tyre wear but we’ve definitely seen a huge improvement in that this yeat
@@errikos9968 russell over lando is bs lmao
I agree. Lando has been absolutely brilliant this year, and Oscar is always behind him. Lando has been convincingly better this season. George should be ahead of him, same with Charles and Carlos.
These rankings are kinda ridiculous imo. Both Fans and Tommo with some major Ls here. Agree Perez defo isn’t worst, but is down there. Stroll being so low down and far behind Alonso seems harsh considering it’s 8-7 in quali to ALO including sprints, Stroll has closed the gap to who most ppl were saying earlier this season is still a top 5 driver. Leclerc being so low is weird. Russell not being top 3 is pretty criminal, comfortably outperforming Lewis almost every race, and only close in points due to losing at least a podium if not a win in GB. However as everyone’s already said 2nd for Nico is ridiculous, yes he’s been very good in a mid car but better than 5 race winners is insane, by the ratings you’d be expecting Nico to be a regular high points scorer, while in reality he’s only been higher than 9th in the last 2 races.
Well the difference is Nico is putting a Haas in 6th multiple weekends. A freaking Haas lol. Also you have to take into account how much he’s beating his teammate by. To put a race winner ahead for the sake that the won a race makes no sense lol. To the same logic, Should Perez be ahead of Nico because Perez has been on the podium?
@@Alexnader8788mate. this is the 2024 haas. not the 2023 haas. its the 5th fastest car. if anything he should be in the top 8 every race since the upgrades in austria. and hes had 2-3 good races. hes in the top 10 easily, but not top 5, let alone top 2
@@user-uc1ny1ns2o so what more do you expect from him?
Found the window licker fanboy
@@user-uc1ny1ns2o It's not the 5th fastest car though. It's contending with the Aston Martins and sometimes the Alpines and Vcarb for that spot.
for top drive, Carlos Sainz Australia was immaculate. He was clearly not 100%, far off it, but even with Max retiring, to hold of a fully fit Charles Leclerc and beat him the whole weekend deserves an applause. The mentality and the recovery to get back in the car was phenomenal.
People dont rate carlos so highly ...it is a little sad..that Australia drive deserved a mention
love it where u round out after the komma when it matters and you don't when it doesn't. :D
1:20 I managed to do the exact same overtaking at Melbourne, with Albon no less, at F1 23. I felt so proud of myself...
George should have been P2 imo. Hulk being P2 is crazy!
Mentioning what Yuki did in Bahrain has nothing to do with driver performance whatsoever
it's crazy how underrated george is. he is consistently outperforming the car in quali where he barely makes any mistakes compared to others. that car is clearly not faster than mclaren and redbull which makes it harder in races but he's still performing very well against the goat lewis hamilton. other drivers are rated more highly against subpar teammates
In what universe has Piastri been a better driver than George this year? Or Carlos? I like Oscar, but this year has really exposed his weaknesses. He fumbled several qualifyings already.
@@ISilencerI In competitive sessions, I believe Norris is beating Piastri 18-5 when they could be compared or something like that.
I think it’s recently bias. The last few races piastri has been great.
George at 7? Should be top 3. In what world have the ferrari drivers been better than him? Negative wheel knowledge there. And I love Oscar. I love his potential but good god current Oscar in the 2024 season is not 4th.
My thinking was Verstappen 1st, Norris 2nd, Russell 3rd, Sainz 4th and Leclerc 5th but anyway...
piastri is insanely high for someone thats losing that badly to his teammate in absolutely everything, all that while his teammate dnfed from 2nd and was screwed over by mclaren in silverstone and canada losing him 2 wins. and russell is also very low, he should be nowhere other than 3rd behind verstappen and norris. as for hulkenberg, hes not been flawless at all and has no reason to be anywhere near the top 3. yes top 7-top 8 is fair, but most definitely not 2nd.
I've been psyched watching Nico this season, but goodness, I didn't realize JUST HOW GOOD it has been! As you said, outside of Bahrain and getting shunted out at Monaco… no finishes below P11! Mad!
Also, after Lando went out in Austria, Ollie Bearman is the only driver left with a 100 percent points-scoring record this season. P1. 10/10. Send it.
this just shows how much you and your community know about F1.
to be fair the community has glimmers of brilliance, but all in all, poor list
Piastri that High Is crazy...
Piastri is keeping up w/ a dude people have been calling a future champion, and he’s only yr 2. I wouldn’t put him over lando yet but u know Oscar has got him sweating.
@@gavinsullivan9560i have a feeling piastri might be leading norris in a few years
@@gavinsullivan9560 saying Piastri's keeping up with him is a bit of an overstatement. He's not at all far behind and he deserves to be where he is, but he's been overrated by a lot of people this year imo
@@sean7885he’s absolutely keeping up lol. How hasnt he? Theres only been a few races where Oscar hasnt been remotely near Lando. He’s not better than Lando yer but he’s absolutely in the mix. 2nd year & he’s been absolutely great
@@sean7885 there has been so many races where mclarens strategies have been off and he has been treated as the no2 driver. There’s has been several instances this year where they leave Oscar out to attempt a different strategy where he ends up behind as a result. Not to say it’s all mclarens fault, Piastri has fallen back due to his tire usage just as many times. As far as overrated goes I think we have to wait and see how he develops. For his 2nd year he is doing arguably better than most, including 2nd year lando.
So Leclerc gets 6.96 for not delivering in the 3-4 fastest car (starting in Monaco) and Norris gets 8.18 for winning one of the 6 races where he had the fastest car (or second fastest at some tracks), that's a bit wild. When will people stop treating him like a rookie, this is his sixth season in F1.
The one you need to mention is Piastri. Why he was up there? Got the fastest car but fumbled a lot of times like only 2 podiums (1 lucky) in the fastest car while his teammate got 7. Like how overrated this guy is?
@m.fadhilakbar3693 Because this is his second season in F1, you expect less from him than from his teammate with three times more experience. If he improves his tyre management, the fight in the team will be very fierce, and he might even be better than Norris because Piastri has a cool head. But if Norris continues to beat him this season and next, it will be possible to start calling him overrated.
That's because Lando fumbles a win but still gets second. When Charles drops the ball he scores no points. There is a big difference.
Thank you for all you do Twommo 💗
You need merch for each track! Would love to see your Canada T-shirt, heard you’ve been to Montreal…
The tommo fanbase really showing they know fuck all about f1 😂
Voting Hulk P2 shows mad wheel
@@mattfantastic9969 one of the only good things. Having leclerc so low and also not having sargeant bottom is shocking
the drivers of the season here’s mine:
1. Max (consistently showing us why he’s one of the GOATS)
2. George (the quali outperformance gets headlines but i’ve been really impressed with his race pace this year as well, minimal mistakes of his own)
3. Lando (finally has a car to fight at the top and is showing he’s got the legs to belong. still has wrinkles to iron out but bright future)
4. Lewis (the GOAT does GOAT things, and while he may have lost a bit of quali speed relative to his own peak, still maybe the one you most want to have run a race)
5. Sainz (Consistency under pressure and great pace in an up and down Ferrari)
6. Hulk (HULK SMASH)
7. LeClerc (Still one of the most stunning drivers when it’s the last run in Q3, just a bit more inconsistency than i’d want at this stage. Future WDC material tho)
8. Piastri (it could be argued he could anywhere from 5-8 on this list because while still nowhere near his finished product, he’s gotten better at tire management and the guy’s got guts and pace)
9. Yuki (YUUUUUUUUUUUUKI, give him a RBR seat and i think while he won’t challenge max he can have some fun up near the front)
10. Alonso (I guess aging part of El Plan)
Agree apart from maybe Lewis vs Leclerc
you know Lando has the fastest car but cant win? he won because of a sc mistake. he is underdelivering big time. not a hater btw but that mclaren car deserves the constructors, but norris aint up to speed
The recency biased jesus
@@never1163 He also lost a win due to the SC in Canada, given that he had a 15s or so lead. So if you completely rule out safety cars, he'd probably have won their instead. Besides, the Mclaren really only became the fastest car post Miami, and most of their fumbles have been down to poor strategy rather than poor driver performance. They'll likely still win the constructors anyway. Checo is currently putting in some class F4 style drives.
@@never1163 I don’t think he’s under delivering lol. Thats just not true. He just hasn’t capitalized on his chances to win. Big difference there
Now that leclerc did amazing two races in hungary and Belgium no one will point it out and it will go unnoticed, but the next time he do a shit race, people will start to say " they fired the wrong driver " again
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When you consider how Sargeant's pace correlates to Albon, he's decently consistent and they usually struggle at the same time which suggests he's doing well with the car. And I love Alex but he's DNF'd almost as much as Sargeant this season. It's never a situation where Alex is P5 and Logan is P20, you know?
Yeah and sargeant has had a worse car the whole season, Brit’s just like to hate on American drivers
recency bias on Hulkenberg is crazy. If the last two races didn't happen he would be mid table he has not had the 2nd best season so far he should be like 5-6
Yeah, it's a bit steep. Even as a huge fan of the Hulk, p2 seems crazy.
it does seem crazy but when you look at it he's the only one who has maximized the car at every race (except bahrain). he hasn't bottled any result.
Norris second in the championchips, 7 podiums, race win. Piastri 5th, 2 podiums and no race win. And you were really debeting putting Piastri over Norris. The Norris disrespect is crazy.
This would be my order:
1) verstappen
2) norris
3) hulkenberg
4) russell
5) piastri
6) tsunoda
7) sainz
8) leclerc
9) hamilton
10) gasly
11) ocon
12) albon
13) alonso
14) magnussen
15) stroll
16) ricciardo
17) bottas
18) sargeant
19) zhou
20) perez
Maybe for the final season report, start the ranking from 11, then 10, then 12, then 9 so you get number 20 at the end as well as number 1, which is more interesting than number 9-14 imo.
I'm not convinced of the Alonso lacking motivation thing. That may apply to other champions but Fernando has always performed at an elite level, regardless of the car he's been driving. I just think his age has caught up with him (as well as some things out of his control) and we're seeing a sharp fall off from his terrific performance in 2023 (and his great performance at the start of 2024).
25:16 the phone call was so fucking good. Common tWommo W
Hope your couch is comfortable after that call 🤣
The Yuki hate is too much
Lando's China Grand Prix drive doesnt get enought credit. (10 seconds after the first 14 laps) 44 seconds between him and Oscar before the mid-late safety car, beat Perez (who was on form for his standards that race), and both Ferrari's who at that point in the season were objectively better cars.
I don't feel like you are being fair to Logan Sargeant because the crash in Miami wasn't his fault and he still hasn't got the same car as Alex
Not mentioning Leclerc in Monaco for best drive is actually criminal. I mean best qauli at least
It's only because of the sentimental value that you're talking about it in that context. The Ferrari was comfortably in the fight for pole, and the race was quite literally a procession.
@@Slimmeyywasn’t really comfortable. If the McLaren‘s put a lap together they would’ve been ahead. He made the difference though
well yes but thats just quali isnt it. they drove 7 seconds below pace for the entire race, anyone could have driven what charles did. if it was about qualifying then yes it would have been up there but its probably based on the race
Personally I think Carlos at Australia was the best individual drive. His pace was insane all weekend
Russell 7th is mad he should at least be top 5🤔
Piastri doesn't deserve P4 over Leclerc and Russell. He's a decent 2nd year driver in a very good car. It's time we rank him based on performances and not on potential.
You completely lost me when you said you was tempted to put Oscar above Norris. Even for your standards that’s an awful take🤦♂️
Love tommos videos but this is a bit of a stinker
This year has been honestly a great one! Been enjoying it a lot. And also really happy Hülkenberg is doing god damn amazing! Lets see where this year keeps going!
Apart from Bahrain, Nico hasnt finnished lower than P11, in HAAS. I think that says a lot about his performance
daniel has had better race pace than yuki in most races since he got the new chassis. he’s been unlucky not to score more points and unfortunately it seems that when he has confidence in the car and has the pace advantage over yuki, the car doesn’t have the pace for points anyway. yukis lead in points isn’t going to be closed because the rb is looking like a tractor now and unfortunately no matter how much better daniel does that yuki now it seems that the gap in points is enough for people to make up there minds.
he was already disastrous, new chassis or not. miami, imola, monaco, silverstone are all after the new chassis and they arent good
The probability of two drivers receiving the same rating to the fifth decimal place is around 0.19%, which is crazy.
*If chatgpt is correct because no one does maths by themselves anymore
I appreciate Hulkenberg getting some deserved appreciation, don't get me wrong. He is definitely among the top drivers of this season so far... But #2 seems a little too high even for him.
I respect the shit out of you calling your wifey live on the phone Tommo, love your content man
Leclerc: Insane consistency, dominating monaco, ferrari strategy howlers, reliability issues, only mistake all season was q3 austria, p3 in standings with 3/4 fastest car = p9
Norris: Bottling win after win in fastest car, p2 in standings, way of Max despite faster car = p3
Yeah ok…