Where is my modern Roland Jupiter 8? Why Roland Jupiter X?
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2024
- Its my second vlog, so I'm little bit stressed. Also english is my second language, so big mistakes in every corner. But I'm so disappointed that new Roland Jupiter X isn't analog, so I just posted my opinion about it. How many years should I wait for modern Jupiter 8, fully analog from Roland? Or reissue, or whatever, but analog :)
I want a real analog JUPITER-8 mk2, not ACB.
Your home studio looks nice
I, along with many I'm sure, also share this opinion. Thanks for taking the time to share this. Hopefully this sentiment gets loud enough for Roland to consider making the effort.
Its because its been done already...its like asking Ford to re-release a 1982 model car...it wont happen...and the cheap arses arent even willing to pay the 1982 prices....they want it for like $400 bucks...and its mostly bedroom knob twiddlers that want to make helicopter noises.
@@justaname1862 It's been done already? Or it won't happen?
Roland is more worried about Yamaha than Sequential Circuits or Behringer. Roland's RD2000 and Juno DS88 directly compete with Yamaha for lounge singers, church musicians and touring artists. I love the sound of the System 8 and hope the Jupiter X has something special about it.
I agree as well. I've been a Roland fan since '86 and I was quite surprised at the price of the machine considering it isn't analog? It does look pretty and of course, I do appreciate the return of the nobs and sliders after years of menus. But, 2500 is just wrong for a vst in a pretty box. I'm sure Roland will market it as some miracle worker.
To me, analog still sounds richer than clones. I would imagine many young musicians who have heard the sound of the legendary analogs of the deep past might think they are essentially getting the same sound and with the added sophistication of modern circquitry and computer capabilities but that remains to be seen. Sometimes an emulation of an original is enough for the new crowd. As long as it behaves as is expected, allows for live sound manipulation and is LOUD lol. The whole "moving forward", thing is mindless. Not everything old is bad, not everything new is the best cheese ball in the market either.
Perhaps the modern ear is used to the crispness of emulation and that is quite understandable, but, personally, the rich growl of analog and analog filters is my cup of tea with milk.
i agree with you mostly i have rolamd cloud for that price.. sound the same.
in a mix... nobody see any differebce... they shouldve at kess put real oscillator in it for 2500... in canada its 3500...
@@lawyer6343 Absolutely. In the mix, and with other effects etc., who can tell? I guess it is when the instrument is a dominate feature of a track maybe but even then perhaps not so much. It used to be that certain things would give it away such as the stepping when using some features such as a filter. I would imagine for $2500 and all these years later they have found a way around it. Is the $3500 price tag because of the exchange rate maybe? For us, anything purchased from the EU is more expensive because of that. Is it that price if you buy the machine from a Canadian store or is it if you order it online from some place in the U.S.?
@@datatwo7405 beside purist always forget one thing very important... on a 70's recording. synth were recording passing trought lots of gear... optic conpressor... lamp preamp... neve consoles or high end gear coloring the recording... most of these unavailable today.. for most people.. my guess is that these new reissus would sound exactly the same if youd record that on tape with the gear from 70'
@@lawyer6343 This idea reminds me of when I was seriously into photography. At that time the big argument was that it wasn't real art. Just like during the 80s some musicians did not consider synths real instruments. There was quite a lot of anti-synth musicians at the time. I have found this same type of resistance whenever some new technology arrives on the scene within an area of interest or skill dominated by tradition. The old school resists and denounces that new tech as "cheating" or not good enough. Then time passes and attitudes change. Usually as a result of obsolescence, increased technical advancement, or simply because the resistors fade away. I wonder at what point the attitudes will change regarding digital vs analog, maybe it has already begun? It does seem rather strange for this to be occuring within the world of synths when at one time synths themselves were considered the outsiders.
I still can tell the difference many times, although as the years pass it does become harder. And I have to wonder if I am truly hearing that difference at all or is it just the nature of the recording and the many layers of sound and effects that make me think I hear a difference.
I agree that analog vs digital is now becoming a mote argument. Especially understanding that seldom does an analog synth or any other instrument stand completely alone in a recording without some kind of effects, compression, separation, etc. Perhaps, some of this resistance and yes, snobbery occurs out of fear or a resistance to accept new modes of creation. In any case, this too shall pass.
@@datatwo7405 its a good point and reflexion.
I have come across some blind test of analogo vs digital mic pre amp and when people dont know the price or the gear isnt their own... they cant tell the differebce these day.. but then when its their own and they paid 5000$ they sure like it better.. i think the term is audiofool also in the high fi world of audiophile.
i thibk the same apply these day for many reissues of analogue synth.
I have own a jupiter 8. and i used the roland cloud vst version and se no difference at all once recorded trought my old school gear.
Well, as often, the answer is to be found in the question, and the keyword is "my". It isn't yours, it is Roland's. And they came up with a great sounding new synth line, plus it is versatile and more mobile. Keep your eye on Behringer for clones.
I think there is no need for a (new) analog Jupiter 8. I can understand why Roland isn't doing it. They have done it already. If they can do digital synths that are sounding like analog (and even better) why wasting time with doing old things again. I like my System 8 very much and it sounds that good that I feel no need for a Jupiter 8. But I have to find out what the Jupiter X does, what the System 8 does not...
Imagine. Not Neve 1073 preamps anymore, not API EQ, not SSL compressors. Only plugins of Neve 1073, API EQ and SSL in the box for 2500$, because you have real knob and metal box is real :). Sounds cool? There are so nuances in sound between plugins and real stuff, so maybe we don't need real EQs, Compressors and analog preamps anymore? I'm quite serious about it since I have a lot of plugins and I don't see any reason for buy real stuff, only maybe for some little bit mastering at the end. BTW I like sound of the System 8 too (I have it in Roland Cloud). I would like to buy it, but I didn't like how it looks because I like old synth look synths more.
deep6 . The Jupiter X has 61 keys, metal body, aftertouch, expression pedal compatabilty and an advanced arpegiator, comes with jupiter, juno, jx, sh, xv, rd models and can layer 4 models + 1 rythmn, but no sequencer. I hope it has 2 lfo's per oscillator.
@@floridahiker1503 I think the Jupiter X will be a nice digital synth :-) And I believe it will have a second lfo, because there is this "lfo 2" button in the lfo section. I try to wait for the big X and not to buy the xm... My System 8 will stay to, because it is one of my favorite synths (beside my waldorf quantum 😊)
Exactly...its like asking for rotary dial telephones back...the Jupiter has been done already! Ive found most people wanting old analogue stuff back spend most of their time in their bedroom twiddling knobs making helicopter noises and cant afford anything more than $500 for a synth...as if a major company like Roland is going to build something just for that customer base....its not viable. And behringer could care less about the synth market...they're flooding the market with cheap copies....does behringer even have an r&d department anymore? Or just a photocopy room. What people dont realise is without companys like Roland....behringer would have nothing to copy if they were to go broke...behringer have other catagories like all their PA gear....so again...they could care less about the synth market...they are certainly not contributing any R&D into it...End of rant!
The isn't comparable to rotary dial phones.
very well put my man. agreed 100% with your philosophy.
I have owned 3 Jupiter 8's. All of these folks screaming that Roland digital synths are able to sound just like the JP8 is simply not true, at least not totally. They can get sort of close to the strings, clarinets, a guy whistling. But they have not even come remotely close to capturing the warm, colorful, creamy bass that a Jupiter 8 produces. When they can figure that out then I will be a buyer. I do like the way the Jupiter X looks.....would like to hear it but not very optimistic.
I also like how JX looks. Check Gattobus movies if you want sound of Jupiter X - really nothing spectacular. It sound like Roland Cloud, maybe little bit worser. So far, my SH2 sounds way better that new Jupiters let alone my Jupiter 4. I really can't understand how people like 2,5K usd plugins controller which are available for 20 usd per month as subscription. Also I can't understand how they call that modern since plugins are above 10 years old. Now trend is for modern analogs and they are more fancy and up to date. Even modern digital are trendy. But not VA. Also, if Roland don't have his analog department anymore they should buy UDO6. It is perfect to rename it as modern Jupiter 6X, even it is not analog but digital. Perfect. Sounding great, also have newest technology inside. Why not, Roland? Put some money on it, rename it and little make it better looking since this is only thing which I not quite like in UDO6, but anything other is perfect.
I didn’t really understand why Roland could do an analog synth in the JDXa and yet people are still saying an analog Roland synth can’t be done. I wouldn’t want a Jupiter 8 myself...I’d want a Jupiter 10. I want the next step in analog and honestly the JDXa was a step in the right direction. All they would have to do is do a 10 voice poly synth with the concept of partials like the JDXa so that way you could have up to ten part multitimbrality. Some effects at the end of the chain. Sequencer on board and a module version with polychaining abilities to get up to 20 voices. It likely would have ended up being the same price.
Have you even seen the specs? I don't think there are just plugins or your roland cloud inside the Jupiter. Just be patient and lets wait and see and hear it. At least give the benefit of the doubt. I have 2x Jupiter 80s. It is not a Rompler at all. You missed the mark on that one. Fabulous build quality and high-end. The GT was similar.
I like Jupiter 80, but it is a rompler, even that it has super synth section which sound great. I had Integra 7 and love this Super Synth bank. In Jupiter 80 its more samples as in Integra and I really like them. They sampled they really cool, so you can put really nice digital filtering on it. Analog Bells from Integra 7 was my favorite. I even testing differences between Jupiter 8 Roland Cloud, JP8 Boutique and Integra 7 Jupiter 8. And Integra was pretty nice, but still miss some original analog feeling, same like JP8 RC and JP8 boutique.
I own a 14-bit Jupiter-8. When the Prophet 6 came out, my impression was that it was the closest sounding to my Jupiter. Yesterday I finally tried out the Jupiter X, big disappointment. The Prophet 6 is still the closest sounding to the real Jupiter-8. Pawel is right on this video.
So far I like what I am seeing with the Jupiter-X. This new Jupiter shows a better direction than Roland did with the Jupiter-80/50. I have accepted that Roland will never re-issue the Jupiter-8. It is frustrating. If you want a Jupiter-8 you will need to buy a used one. Yes, they are going for very high prices but people are paying so you have the price and demand thing. Maybe Behringer will create that Jupiter-8 clone but even it will not be the classic Jupiter-8. I was hoping the JD-XA would have been revisited with more analog voices. Oh well.
I agree 100%. It would be nice to get a true analog synth from Roland. Unfortunately it seems to be the new trend to have a hardware emulator disguised as an analog synth nowadays. I’m guessing this is for coast efficiency since it costs an arm and a leg just to get a non-refurbished used Jupiter 8.
Very good observations Mr. Blaszczak. If you're looking for better ABC sound other than from the boutique series, try the System 8. I agree with you about the looks of it, looks cheap, I've changed the LEDs all to amber and it looks much better especially when I put wooden cheek ends on it. It's digital, but it's closer to Jupiter 8 than the boutique since the ABC chipset is running 96KHz path instead of 48KHz in boutiques. Behringer is looking into making Yamaha CS80 replica and also the Jupiter 8, so you may want to wait for that. However, if you have a chance try the Solaris Synthesizer by John Bowen. You can make all the magic you want, yes it's digital, but all filters, oscillators, wave forms are modeled very well, and all the signal generation and programming is done by the man himself who worked on most of the synths you mentioned John Bowen. It also does all in 96KHz rather than 48KHz. Additionally, John answers emails, and you're getting support from a musician and the creator of Solaris and other classic and modern synths. I suggest you take a look at it, and I wonder what your thoughts are.
Yes, I thought about System 8, since I have boutique JP08 and 4-voice polyphony isn't enough. My friend also bought wooden cheek ends on it, but it is still looks too modern for me. It is matter of taste :) Solaris looks really cool. I need to check it. Thanks!
Pawel... your Dying Light sound track is brilliant, particularly, “Strife”.
That being said, I feel the Jupiter X virtual analog modeling is superb. I have heard it compared directly with an analog Jupiter 8 note for note and my ear couldn’t tell the difference. Other then the X sounds “brighter” for most notes (not all). Why do you hate the X so much? Just the fact that Roland won’t do a proper analog synth? I think their position is that if they can emulate it so faithfully and accurately, why bother?
Your thoughts?
I changed my mind and bought Jupiter X. I think I'll never afford Jupiter 8 and even if I'll have those pile of money it is not worth it. Layering with Jupiter X is giving you so many options. Jupiter X sounding litlle more sterile than original JP8, but it is so good sound. Somehow even my comparision show that Zenealogy sounds similar like Jupiter X, I still somehow feel that Jupiter X sound better. Maybe those XLR outputs, maybe some DAC conventers on JX.
@@TheMrFinalizer
This is my humble opinion, you know more than I ever will about this stuff, but as an amateur synth player:
1. Jupiter X virtual analog is so good, many people will never know it’s not analog unless they learn the synth you played it on.
2. My favorite synth is the Oberheim OBXa, this is because I love The Thompson Twins and Tom Bailey wrote some beautiful music with the OBXa I have never heard on any other synth. My next favorite is Jupiter 8 and the P5. The J8 is so expensive, when you look at the Zen sound engine, the J8 is actually pure TRASH! People are only addicted to it because it’s a true analog synth, but ask them if they want to tune it? It’s so collectible now, I would be scared to play it!! I think the waveform manipulation and oscillator in the X is quite good. It might not be VCO, but it’s still very very good.
Again, an “Artist” series for very serious musicians like yourself, Roland could make a limited edition just like the boutique and still make money. I bet most people would pay $5,000 for an analog replica JP8 with VCOs.
I just saved enough to buy the Jupiter X and I’m very happy. Of course I am an amateur, but to my ears, I am in love with it and I think the very vast majority should be too.
Next year I am going to buy a P5 Rev. 4 or P6, Dave Smith makes the best stuff right now it seems...
@@electriceyeslide5959 I love Prophet 5. I own vintage version and I'm think about Prophet 10 (more voices). Since 30 years oscillator don't produce some sounds like tight bass for example in a good way. Also vintage P5 has a noisy AC power. P5 is dark for me and I love its sound. If you like OBXa, OB6 is good, but it thinner than OBXa. Only same dark vibe. I sold my OB6 because I would like to buy Jupiter 4, which is sounding lovely. Vintages are good because oscillators are detuned with age, but they have pros and cons. I'm preparing JX movie so I'll explain couple things, why I bought it.
I really like how people know everything about gear from CZcams (compressed) demos or (not even) reading the specifications. The Xm (and the X which is not even available yet) is Zen-core and other modelling technologies, not ACB. Yes it is VA but has 5 parts and 256 voice of polyphony - do that with an old analog. Sound? You will kill all the nuanses while doing the mix and kill what`s left with mastering. How many percent of listeners will notice a Jupiter-8 (or any analog) in a multitrack mixed and mastered recording? The Jupiter Xm can give some really nice inspiration without turning on the computer. Even If the sound is not there compared to analogs it is a tool like any other in the right hands and If it works for someone why not just let him/her do his/her thing?
So - If you don`t want this tool in your music "laboratory" just don`t buy it. But - complaining about a synth like what it could or should be and try to convince the others that it is bad is not the right thing. There are no bad instruments or synths, everything can be good If you know how to or for what you want it to use.
Cheers ;)
You're right. Last verdict I'm making if I have synth under my hand. But usually youtube isn't so far from final sound. There is newest demo from musictrackjp which usually have very good sound quality of his demos and Xm sounds mediocre. Sorry for that. I really hope maybe Jupiter X will be have analog filters?
please don't cry......
Have you tried the Juniper plug-in for Ableton Live Suite 10? It has some Jupiter 8 inspired synthesizers. I bought this plug-in for $50 after watching one of your CZcams videos when you were playing on the Jupiter 8.
Sure. It is originally from Puremagnetic, who is always producing good samples. But it is not about sampled for Jupiter 8 vst. It is about having modern, fully analog Jupiter 8 (or MKS80, or maybe 6 and 8) from Roland. It is about having premium sounding like Prophet 6 or OB6 analog Roland in my studio :)
PawelBlaszczak_Composer ah yeah, I see what you mean. Glimmer of the sun was played on the Jupiter 8, right? The sound is amazing
Ryan Loader I wasn’t suggesting it as a response to his wishes for a new Roland analog. I was just curious if he’s tried the plugin because it’s on the topic of the Jupiter, and I happened to purchase Juniper after watching one of Pawel’s Jupiter videos.
Looking at Meng Qi Wing Pinger, Yorick Tech LFE, and Dreadbox Antiphon
Looks like Roland is mostly focus on the Japanese market which is all digital. They don't think out of their box.
Willdorak selling at a condominium near you!
@@johnrichardson3297 What?
Huge fan of the brand since the last war but their refusal to build a real analog poly synth that deserves the name Jupiter is just sick.
I wouldn’t want a Jupiter 8 reissue, I would want a Jupiter 10. Much like how the Prophet 6 is the successor to the Prophet 5. All Roland would have to do is just take the analog engine in the JDXa and expand the polyphony but I do like the partial concept of the JDXa in that each voice can essentially have its own completely different sound. 10 voice analog synthesizer and they also have it in module format which can be polychained to have essentially a 20 voice Jupiter.
I agree. I was thinking about it. Yep, something like Jupiter 9 would be nice idea and probably the best one. Maybe with switchable analog filter from JP08, JP06, SH101, JP04 and some nice new one. That would be something. I didn't see any synth with switchable analog filters :)
Don’t be so disappointed about Jupiter X digital until you hear it. I now what you are saying but the Vsynth is a great sounding Roland digital synth and maybe the Jupiter x will also be great sounding. Because it is digital it may some tricks like tons of poly so you can layer on layers on layers. Let wait until we hear this synth.
I'm with you, dude. I myself subscribe to the Roland Cloud, and while these VSTs are very good (I have an original JX-3P and SH-101 so I can at least vouch for those), there is no doubt that they sound less 'real' than the real thing. What I don't get is why Roland would go to the trouble of developing this supposedly super advanced ACB technology ... to emulate a technology that existed 40 years ago, and did the job better, at that. There's no real advantage, as modern MIDI implementation, tuning stability, etc. can be coupled with analogue, as many other manufacturers have demonstrated. No doubt it comes down to the profit motive - it's cheaper to put an ACB chip in a box than it is to create an actual analogue synth, but by putting the Roland brand on said box they can claim it's the real deal and charge a premium accordingly. Yes, ACB is impressive and is probably close enough for all intents and purposes, but it's the meanness of the business strategy that really irks me.
Yep. You're completely right. I have original SH02 and plugin from Roland Cloud. SH2 sound so much better. Also I have D50 and JV1080 which sounds also better than Roland Cloud. But before I start to connect hardware the track with using Roland Cloud is done :) But, depends from project I'm using original Roland SH2 a lot and it has really good sound!
@@TheMrFinalizer I'm not so sure about the D50 cloud, I think if you remove most of the reverb from the plugin then its very close. All of the plugin presets have way too much reverb imo. Not had the JV side by side yet.
@@maccagrabme Couple days ago I compared my real hardware JV1080 to Roland Cloud JV1080. And real JV1080 is for nerds like me :) If you want original sound from 90s you need to have hardware. Real thing is little bit more glued and darker. JV1080 Roland Cloud is little be more clear and separated. But there is like 10%-15% difference.
@@TheMrFinalizer Will hang on to my XV modules then if true, are you sure you removed the reverb on the vst as its all over everything and swamps the sound? I also found the boutique Ju06 and Jx03 to sound better than the cloud versions.
You'll get it from Behringer before you get it from Roland.
They likely laid off their entire analog development team in the 90s, and now their management can't take the dive into hiring a whole new team for a new development cycle.
But they did flirt with analog with the JD series (poorly!), so perhaps they have hired someone to develop this sort of thing, and it is just taking a long, long time.
Same thing with Yamaha. They could both be owning the market with modernized reissues, but they don't.
Roland has always said they look to the future, not reinventing the past. Stick with your Prophets if you want to live in the past.
JP8, SH, XV5080 reincarnation you call the future? Even Roland Cloud is 2 years old with some 4-5 years old plugins. That isn't the future. Waldorf Quantum is the future synth with resonant oscillators eg :) Show me any plugin from Roland which is futuristic sounding new type of plugin - wavetable? granular? or even some other really new stuff. They only give an option in System 8 to have different filters. Comparing to semi modular Zebra2 which is 10 years old or Diva it is funny. Ok. if Jupiter X would be semi modular when you can choose different filters or different oscillators from all Roland History synths + some maybe wavetable newest Roland that would be something, which will be near future. Even sampler in Jupiter X would be nice option for some sound mangling.
@@TheMrFinalizer If you're so mad about Roland, don't buy it. Jesus.
I feel your pain.
Hate to say it but you're more likely to get a Behringer Bupiter 8 before Roland makes one. Roland is out of touch and no willing to listen to their customers or take a risk, they'd rather continue to produce sterile digital plugin synths with cheap plastic builds.
I just do not think the Jupiter-X is going to be a sterile plastic copy of the real thing. They allready said it's going to be very solid. Complete metal case. 37lbs = 17.5 kilo's means it's not plastic crap. Besides that, the accent will be on controls and not on menu's and displays. Thats very good !!!. Besides that, i think the Behringer, if they ever make it, is going to be a plastic copy (not crap) , because of the price point.
We'll see. So far, Behringer copied pretty easy synths to copy. Polys like P5, JP8 OBX are more complex eg cross mode which differences in boutique and real JP8 are really present.
I don't think Behringer CAN do a Jupiter copy at the moment because they can't reproduce the filter. The MS 101 filter is a very poor copy of the original Sh filter. And the Jupiter filter is way more complex - selectable 12 and 24 db with a separate high pass. Behringer has picked low hanging fruit - easy synths to copy.
@@apollojay2 I agree with you 100%. Looks like K2 from Behringer isn't really Korg MS-20. So, I think same with big polys analogs. They are much harder to copy.
If you don't like the Upiter X, don't buy it. Life goes on. I am happy with my Upiter 80, Korg Kronos and Yamaha XF8
R Beni I agree. Roland is more experience in the synth market other than Behringer. Don’t get me wrong, Behringer has been getting better with their products, but I’m not going to put my faith in a company that hasn’t proven themselves in the ‘synth’ market, yet. Who’s to say that Behringer’s Jupiter may be BETTER than Roland? May be ‘cheaper’ than Roland, but CHEAPER doesn’t mean BETTER. We’ll just have to wait and see what it has to offer when it get released! That’s why I’m patiently waiting. So far I like the Jupiter x. The price? NO! Overpriced in my opinion, but sounds good. 😕🎹🎶
Jupiter 80 is great synth. I like it. I almost bought it couple years ago, love it is super synth samples. I had Integra and loved it. Same with Jupiter X, but in this price range I'll never buy, they are so many cool synth or other stuff to buy. Also I have Roland Cloud. Almost same sound like JPX, but more affordable. Thanks for watching!
I stop buying Roland synths over 30 yrs ago
Good for you
One thing i will never buy....any bit of electronics made in the US...its bound to fail
People talk crap about this stuff. We had a Jupiter 8... yeah it was great but it’s an antique.... If you want that sound just get the arturia plug in and no one can tell the difference in the mix and no one cares anyway.. The rest of it is just boy’s toys.... and these Jupiter X or 80 or whatever it is this time round are just pretend, unfocused, cop out versions in a dedicated box with a paint job. No coincidence it happens the same time as the new Fantom range.
Arturia is nice but isn't great. Jupiter 8 from Roland Cloud it is far better. And, it is really matter what type of music are you composing. If I'm doing album when only Moog and Prophet are playing there is not possible that they distinct sound is vanish in the mix.
Yes, don't understand me wrong, but in certain type of music there is really not a matter what type of synth are you using at all. Also I assume that in this type of music is completely no matter if you are using Jupiter X which has almost same sounding plugin inside like 2,4K usd cheaper Roland Cloud. So, why do you need to buy JPX? Only for nice look on the live gig? In other cases there is much better price wise to buy laptop and put Roland Cloud inside and have some midi controller.
And, YES, I would like to have new toy for me as I'm synth nerd. Analog Jupiter 8 for reasonable price.
Analog is dead, Holmes. Move forward or buy someone else's analog or enjoy what you got. I have an OB6 and Rev2 so I'm good there. My next is a Jupiter-X. Don't count on me to drone on about kicking a dead horse like my opinion is above everyone else. Pssh.
Maybe, but why is so many new zombie analog synths everywhere. Moog One? Black corporation synths etc I would like you are right, because maybe Jupiter 8 prices will be drop. I wish any Jupiter 8 owner should sold his Jupiter 8, because they want Jupiter X so badly, and sell me this zombie synth for 1000$ eg :) I'll be the first to buy this crappy old analog synth ;)
@@TheMrFinalizer Because people think "analog" sounds different and people believing that equals $ales.
I find my JD-990 digital,still the best synth ever.I had the JP-8,but i like the JD more.These days digital can sound really analog.But if you are a analog purist,yeah......
Yep, I have JV1080, JV880, great rompler. I love it :)
I agree… I am fortunate to have a great many synths, but my 2 favorite models are the JD-990 (I have 3 of them) and the MKS-80 (2 of those with a MPG-80 programmer)… so both Eric Persing inspired digital from the 90s and real VCOs from the 80s.
@@Robert44444444 I would like to buy MKS80 someday, great synth!
PS - Roland should create a limited edition called “The Artist” line and make true analog re-issues. The “boutique” series is bullshit and not serious enough. It’s good for the masses. “The Artist” line would be for composers such as yourself looking for identical modeling.
You must remember however, unless there is money in it for Roland, it’ll never happen.
I hope after reissue Prophet 5, Roland will be release modern JP8. I sold almost all my boutique, too much hustle with them comparing to Roland Cloud. But I keep my D50, JV1080. Also Jupiter X is great to have instead boutique.
@@TheMrFinalizer
I think you could make brilliant music with 2 tin cans!! I love your Dying Light soundtrack!! Brilliant stuff. I hear Midnight Express, I hear Nighthawks (Rutger Hauer/Stallone Movie), I hear Halloween, The Warriors, I hear all of that good stuff in there. I commented on this to you on Twitter too! You are a genius composer, you will make good music with anything.
there is no reason to go analog anymore - digital sounds just as good and are just as reliable, and they weigh much much less. it comes down to money...if they can make a synth that is economical for the company - that's what they will do.
Even with the failure of the Jupiter 80 and all the clamor for a new analog Jupiter, Roland went digital. Whether it's for business strategy (perhaps because of digital versatility and reliability), whether for they taking advantage of the existing industrial park or whatever, the message is clear: FORGET about analog instruments from this company.
How about Roland System 500? Isn't it complete analog and isn't it almost new (couple years old)? I have Roland 512 oscillators so I can confirm and make a picture that it exist :)
I think big companies use services from psychologists and social engineers to keep synth enthusiasts in eternal need purposely.
Prices of real JP8 could have been rising so high because there is so much rich ppl. in music industry - who also have obsession to old roland classics. Some may buy vintage synths as solely investments too. It's almost like cryptocurrency. Or more like gold. :D
The Jupiter-X is a fantastic chance for people who never had the money to buy a real Jupiter-8. To me it's fantastic roland did this move. Analog it would be over 6000 euro/dollars and only the rich musicians can buy one, like the Moog-One, that costs 7000 euro/dollar. Besides that many analog synths have Digital Controled Oscillators. DCO's and that means it's a digital ocsillator. I'm not sure how digital the output is, but i'm sure the Line out of the Jupiter-X is analog. Maybe some just wait for Behringer to remake it, Roland does not care, and then you only have a Jupiter, and nothing more. I think the Jupiter-X is so much more. You can mix synths and drummachines from the past all in one box. 5 polyphonic channels. 256 voices. You can't beat it. Oh damn. you can if you carry all your plugin's in your laptop and carry your extra 61 key keyboard. But some people just do not like vsti's .
Jupiter X isn't Jupiter 8. If you want Jupiter 8 there is great Jupiter 8 in Roland Cloud for 19,95$ per month. It will be same sound as JPX, the differences will be very small since Roland mention that ACB technology is still great and new ZEN technology only advantage is that is has more polyphony. So, you don't need to wait until JPX release next year. Also, RC did resizable GUI so working on computer is crazy comfortable. Also, looks that JPX have other knobs arrangement that original JP8.
@@TheMrFinalizer Yes i know that, but.......I'm not looking for a Jupiter 8 copy , but for a " reasonable" master keyboard, with good build quality that can do sounds and beyond. And we might be surprised about how good this board really is. Yes...... people will be complaining all the time if something carries the name Roland Jupiter, and it's not an exact copy.
Try a Korg Prologue 16.
Very nice, thank you Mr.Blaszczak.
Selling at a condominium near you! Lol
Let me guess...you want the old rotary dial telephone back as well? OR...maybe FORD to re-release an 1982 model CAR....WHY? Its already been done! If you cant afford one or cant find one second hand, how is that Rolands fault? Even if they did release one im guessing you would want it to be the same price it was in the 80s...its just not viable...most of the parts/components arent even manufactured anymore.
YES YES, Check Korg Arp 2600 - I'm in analog synth heaven! Now, waiting for Roland 8 or they can still happy with mediocre money from they VA. There were really crazy people buying VA Jupiter X when it is real, original Arp 2600 on the market. BTW Check concept Peugeot from Blondie - it is modern retro from 80s - looks gorgeous!
Roland Corporation has been run by out-of-touch finance people who have no connection to the instrument, and who's only goal is to milk every drop of nostalgia at a profit. Luckily, Behringer will release a true analog Jupiter in the coming years.
Ummm...its actually behringer who are milking nostalgia with their cheap copys...behringer could care less about the synth market. As soon as they have finished copying everything and anything they can make a quick buck from and flooding the market they will just go back to one of their other catagories like PA
Who cares if it isn't "analog"? Roland's modern modeling technology is indistinguishable from its "analog" ancestors. "Analog sound" is a fallacy and a marketing phenomenon.
I care :)
Disclaimer: I listened to the 1st 44 secs… that's all I could take.
As much as it would be nice to have a modern "You-piter 8", Oberheim OBX, Yamaha CS80… your disappointment is unwarranted. Analog polys will be coming in the future from Behringer, and perhaps that will finally move the needle in getting the big Japanese companies to reconsider… or maybe not.
Uli Behringer's intent on mass producing analog poly synths in the style of the 70s & 80s is a labor of love from a man who has built an audio gear empire copying the designs of his competitors and building the units for less in China (sometimes at lower quality) . Now that he's rich, he wants to give something back.
How would individuals like yourself (or even me) who love the sound and playability of analog synths (I own several) have any idea what percentage of a manufacturer's potential customers prefer a TRUE analog machine and would be willing to pay what it would cost to buy one? How many of us know the investment the manufacturer would need to make and the ROI vs the digital products they're offering now?
You have to know Roland, Yamaha, Korg and others are all aware of the voices of a VERY LOUD minority of synth buyers who are demanding analog poly synths… just because it's what we want doesn't mean it necessarily makes sense for them to build it.
Thanks for watching! Korg has pretty descend analog synth line from couple years. They checked market with volcas, then issued small modern Korg, then really cool Prologue and not forget about Arp Odyssey, so there is a market for it for sure. Also I'll be not surprised if Yamaha will do same move. Sorry. I'm disappointed and I'll be, since check new Sonicstate discusson how eg Nick Batt and Gaze Williams are disappointed too. Roland did really strange move with put plugins in big box and calling that Jupiter X. Also synth plugins are nothing new anymore. They are with us almost 15 years, so calling Jupiter X modern is abuse a little bit :)
I prefer feel and sound of full analog synth. So I bought a Prophet 6. I would also pay for an analog Jupiter 6. For the price of the Jupiter X that shit should be analog. Big box like Roland can scale cost to make it market-ready. Roland was built on analog glory, I'd say it's safe to say it has the biggest customer base for analog preference. Just visit any forum. People want it.
@Boofsquad It's pretty good, but it's no P6. Nowhere near the depth and fullness of what the P6 offers over the P5. Appropriate name for your account.
Making fun of the gentleman’s accent showed what time of person you are right off the bat. That’s when I stopped reading.
The OB-Xa is in my opinion; the best sounding 1980s synth ever created. The man you’re putting down here is a brilliant composer. Go to the iTunes music store and download Dying Light (video game soundtrack); it’s brilliant and Pawel here created that!
Behringer is a horse shit company and unless Tom and Dave work on it together, all other reproductions will fail as far as the OB-Xa go.
We design the past - by Roland
We steal other people's past designs - by Behringer
While you are complaining, moaning and regret, Gattobus is releasing wonderful musics and demo-tracks of the Jupiter X-m. Same shit we heard when JP-80 shows up. Analog freaks are boring. You look terrible depressed. Try to create some new music, it's 2019 !
You not quite understand me. I have full Roland Cloud and this is almost the same what Gattobus showed (even so far, Cloud is sounding probably better because new ZEN technology is for less CPU more voices, there is nothing Roland said that is sounding better and so far that does not follow from Gattobus movies). So, why I should pay 1000-2000 usd more, for nice new furniture (I really like it but new synthi from Erica Synth and new Buchla module awaits)? Yep, I'm tired, but that was before my short holidays. After that I still will wait for proper Roland analog. It is 2019 and look at synthtopia how many analogs a lot of companies are started producing. Only Roland and Yamaha are behind with virtual analog which is above 10 years old to be honest. So, whats new? That, that they put five VA on one channel and made split of keyboard or changing filters character. If you like recording stuff. Try to imagine to put NEVE, SSL or API plugin (they are really good) inside metal box with knob and trying to sell that for 2K usd. The whole music engineering world would be laughing loud. And about new synth. I bought recently LION, new enough? Love it! But I hope they will not put it in metal box with knobs and trying to sell for 2K :)
Oh the butthurt. Jupiter X's will sell like hotcakes. Sweetwater here in the USA has already said their first batch of pre-orders are gone and any new orders will be back ordered on launch day in April 2020. Yeah, I ordered one. There will be comparison after comparisons when available and no one will be able to tell an original 8 from an X. Stop crying in videos and start making music.
I making music 8-12 hours per day :) But I should make more videos. It is first batch. We'll see how it will be the future. It is UDO 6 around the corner with same price as JX and sounding much better than Xm. Also new Hydrasynth which is cheaper than Xm and sounding really cool. A lot of good synths in those price range. Of course any Roland has some magic for me. But I'm pretty sure when at the end I'll need to choose between UDO6 and JX and will choose UDO6, because it is crazy good sounding VA synth. Good for waiting for modern analog from Roland :)
Man you genuinely sound disheartened...I'm sorry my bother. I don't know what the real Jupiter sounds like but I'm not certain it would sound much different from their Virtual Analog products. That Jupiter 8 was made a long time ago.
I hope too, but so far demos of Roland Xm didn't sound breaktrough. I especially don't like new SH101 sound which didn't sounds like SH101 at all. JPX looks like better looking System 8 with higher price and ZEN technology which sounds like step down for having more polyphony than ACB.
PawelBlaszczak_Composer Absolutely, the sounds are not revolutionary. Just an up to date package of mainstream sounds. I’m hoping there are sound design opportunities in there. But its really just a solid foundation of sounds and nothing groundbreaking like you said.
PawelBlaszczak_Composer The concept of this synth is starting to grow on me. We will know more in December. I want to hear the final product.
@@TheMrFinalizer i thought you wanted a Jupiter 8....now your saying it doesnt sound like a 101??
@@justaname1862 Sorry, my english isn't great. I have SH2 and it is enough for me. Now I would like modern analog Jupiter8
When you say "Roland" it is just the shell. All the creative power of the engineers of TR-808 and Jupiter 8 are long gone and this is a company making toy junk and simply calling itself Roland. When will they have an analog Jupiter? Never. They aren't even thinking that way. These are money grubbing toy makers.
No...
You’re on fucking drugs