Is This the Perfect Hall Effect Joystick for the DualSense?
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- I’m testing out a later version of the Ginfull Hall effect joystick. It was sold as V5 and does have quite a few changes from previous versions I’ve looked at. I will look at the delays associated with the Hall effect sensor. I'll look at the gamepad tester results from one of the joysticks installed in a DualSense controller.
Joystick link: www.aliexpress.us/item/325680...
Gamepad tester website: hardwaretester.com/gamepad/
Calibration website: dualshock-tools.github.io/
0:00 Intro
1:36 Replacement
4:26 Sensor testing
8:12 Final thoughts - Jak na to + styl
Thank you for including the delay times!
I very much appreciate the testing you have been doing!
Thanks
I installed these about 10 months ago and have had zero issues. The centering and calibration tool being on website is just a blessing.
donde esta la herramienta
The v5 just came out, they weren’t on the market 10 months ago, you likely have a ginful v1 or v2, but even the older ginful versions were already solving jitter issues and stuff, these are just slightly more refined specifically for the dualsense. Doesn’t really matter now though which one you put in now with the new calibration software out. You can even get away without the circularity circuit board that was super complicated and tedious to install. Glad to hear you’re going 10 months strong on ginfuls though. I have 2 extremerate fully custom controllers I can’t use right now because the stick drift is so bad on them. Cheers
I'm thinking of getting a bunch of controllers , replacing analogs and battery and sell em for profit. Glad to know jitter is removed
Honestly unless you’re selling them online to people who know wtf a Hall effect even is. I doubt the average consumer will have any idea the difference. If they did Sony and Microsoft would have upgraded them a long time ago because it’s clear they haven’t because of planned obsolescence knowing they’ll continue to make profits every time the average gamer has to replace it with a new one. If you can get a bunch of cheap stick drift controllers though you could still get some return for fixing them either way. My recommendation and there’s someone in my city I’ve seen doing it, is just grab an extremerate rear kit with maybe some cool coloured shell replacement and sell them as a custom pro controller for like 75% of an dualsense edge controllers cost. You’ll move those all day and the kits aren’t that pricey or hard to install. Good luck
I live in Dubai😅
Just got some of these today and looking forward to getting them installed and calibrated. Really appreciate your content!
Thanks
Been waiting for this video. Thank you for using your electrical engineering knowledge to test these.
Thanks, I am still working on it.
Thank God i got this version of hall effect joystick, im sick and tired of using my controller that has stick drift.
I really do like these.
Great video. After seeing your review I'll be swapping out my previous gen hall sticks with these. And I'll be recommending your video to others who might want hall effect joysticks.
It's great that they keep refining these hall effect joysticks to make them better and better. It definitely beats buying a new controller every couple of months due to stick-drift.
Also there is a kit for the DualSense Edge joystick modules but a calibration board needs to be used until someone can get the software calibration to work with the Edge. Currently that's just for DualShock 4 and DualSense controllers.
I really like these. I'm going to replace the K-Silver and the two other Ginfulls with these. But I'm going to wait. I ordered some Favor Union Hall effect joysticks, and want to check them out first.
To me it would seem like that larger, different shaped magnet was a key to improving the joysticks along with tweaks to the code on the hall effect chip.
If the K-Silver & Favor Union still have the older small rectangular magnet I'm confident in assuming they will be worse. Unless they somehow make up for it on the hall chip.
Probably so, but I do want to try the Favor Union. They have been making the joystick modules for so long, it will be interesting to see their take on the Hall effect.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 hopefully it's more than a copy of previous hall-effect joysticks with the only difference being their brand/logo on them. have you seen the Ginfull hall-effect sensors? they are mint colored but have a small rectangular magnet (maybe a bit longer) you can buy just the sensors and you fit them onto a ALPS joystick that you already have.
No I sure haven't. Since Alps are in most of the DualSense controllers that would make for an easier upgrade.
Oh damn, looks like I'm ordering a new batch of Hall effect sticks. The ones currently in the mail are L-8L. Guess I'm looking for L-4B now. Thanks for the links!
Do you know what magnet design is used with the L-8L sensor?
Hey! Thanks for this video. Any video you'd recc to get some step-by-step instructions on how to install these? Would it be recommended to have a calibration board? If so, any video on how to do that too? Thanks!
With these updated hall effect joysticks I see no point spending extra money and time with a calibration board unless you can't use the free calibration software (website).
Can take a look at this video: czcams.com/video/slxgHcYHnm8/video.htmlsi=9VVByFNBtcd2J6Xt.
Nice!!
Thanks!
I may be missing it because your testing data is a bit complicated for me to fully understand, but just for the hobbiest modders out there can break it down for me/us a little more basic on the delay differences?
Like potentiometer delay is xx ms left to right and ginful v5 is xx ms left to right. Like just basic simple statistics sort of thing?
Thanks for the content man it’s amazing and super helpful for a lot of people out here.
The potentiometer delay is only dependent on the capacitance on the output of the potentiometer. The Hall effect joysticks will have some of that delay plus the signal processing delay of the Hall sensor. The Ginfulls have an asymmetric delay time depending on which way the axis is moved. The others I've tested seem to be pretty balanced. The slew delay amounts to the minimum time it would take for the output of the Hall sensor to move over the entire range of the axis, no matter how fast the mechanical axis was moved.
Any idea if the tension of the sticks was changed or are they still "soft" like previous Ginfulls?
All 3 versions I've tried feel about the same mechanically. Probably do have a bit less tension than an Alps joystick.
Appreciate the in depth review! Is there a PS4 equivalent to these sticks?
There are Ginfull joysticks for the PS4, but I don't know if they have the new magnet design.
From what I understand, they will only work specifically on a PS5 and PS4 (there is a version of this module for the PS4), due to the fact that it is not possible to calibrate the center of the module like on the v3 and the software for calibration is required? I ask because I have a Wii U pro controller and an 8bitdo pro 2 that I wanted to replace with these v5 hall effect modules, but I believe that as it is not possible to calibrate the controller it would be better to get a v3?
You can deform the plastic to move the center position like the K-Silver joysticks. It's just tedious.
So it seems like potentiometers are still king when it comes to responsiveness and low input delay right?
I think they will always be faster. But once it gets down to just a few milliseconds of delay, it may not matter.
If you're trying to avoid aliexpress, are the ggzone sticks still recommended?
These newer ones have a bit faster response time and seem to have an output that is closer to the range of a potentiometer joystick. I think these newer ones would be worth waiting for.
Can you explain to me about the delay you mentioned in hall effect vs potentiometer sensor?
Probably not well. The only delay for the potentiometer joystick will be the RC time delay of the electrical circuit. It is likely somewhere in the 10s of microseconds. The different Hall effect sensors all have additional delays with them. And depending on the sensor's output impedance it will have more or less of the same RC time delay. So the Hall effect sensor is going to have a slower response time. It's just how slow is too slow.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 So you know how mouse and keyboards have pollrate and most run at 500-1000hz effecting input lag? Some custom gaming controllers run at 1000hz (Just throwing a kind of random fact out there). Anyways if you had two identical controllers one has potentiometer sticks and the other had hall effect sticks. If you played plus tested both controllers on a shooter game aiming and looking left to right, would hall effect joysticks stay the same, increase, or decrease the default input lag on controller when looking and aiming around? Would it be by a noticeable amount or make almost no difference?
I don't know what the polling rate is on the DualSense. I would doubt it sends data to the PS5 much more than 60 times per second. If someone knows how often the DualSense sends a packet of data to the PS5, would be nice to know. Once the delay with the Hall effect is below around 10 milliseconds I think it would be very difficult to tell which one is which.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 I don't want to keep bothering you with more replies, but a CZcams channel called Danie ZH does a lot of research on PlayStation console and controllers giving tips and tricks for popular games or settings. He did a video comparing input lag between Dualsense and Dualsense Edge. What was pretty cool in his findings is that the Dualsense Edge plugged in wired on PS5 runs at 1000hz pollrate but here is the link to the video below
czcams.com/video/mYij_-KgUuA/video.html
One of my gamesir nova has a 0.0 error on both sticks when tested on that website the other has a 0.9 error.
Thanks for the video. I don't know anything about soldering and I don't want to brick my controller. If I order these sticks and give them to my local repairshop for replacing, can I use them without any calibration, just right out of the box? Because I don't think they will bother with calibration like the way you show?
The software calibration is the easiest part, and you will end up with a more centered and circular joystick in the controller. Even if they don't calibrate them you can, it's easy.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 Thank you very much for the reply
Can I use these hall sticks on the dualsense edge controller?
I don't know, I don't have an edge to test.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 like opening one stick module and installing the Hall effect stick
The link doesn’t work for me. I just did the v3s on my ds4, 3 controllers and they are good I actually have some centering issues. I have a ps5 bdm 020 coming in a bought on ebay with drift to repair so I’d love to try these out
Try right-clicking on the link and open in a new tab or window. Seems very long URLs give problems. It's the VaalPaev store on Aliexpress.
I checked the sticks I’ve ordered way back from Ali and the r L-4b 2 for like 3.60 so I have 4.
Hi, is it possible to install halleffect joysticks on PS3 dualshock 3 gamepads?
I don't know. When I think about it, I don't even remember working on a PS3 controller. I'll have to look and see if I still have an old one tucked away somewhere.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 Thank you checking it out! I have a few PS3 controllers and would like to fix them and was wondering if I should try one of the hall effect joysticks. I still enjoy few games on my PS3.
Please make a video and explain how can we clabrat original analog
Use the calibration website. But if your stock potentiometer based joysticks are worn there's only so much it can help.
Would this version 5 be available for Xbox too?
I would hope so, probably have to keep a look on AliExpress and see what pops up. Too bad search doesn't work so well on AliExpress.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 I looked at a store on Aliexpress that I always buy from frequently, apparently this version is only available for PS4 and PS5
are these playstation only?
can't seem to find these for xbox controllers
I've only seen them for the DualSense.
You have an interesting voice inflection.
Thanks
Aliexpress link directing from v5 costing just over £8 to nearly £17 for three
Did you notice over-travel of the stick?
It appears the calibration software takes care of that.
That’s great, I have a controller completely unusable due to drift on left stick. I will wait your test of FU units before making the final decision on replacement stick. Thanks for your great job.
I was shocked when I knew that my 15$ controller had better accuracy and circularity than a brand new dualsense mine is 0.6% .
anyone have a friend/company that could do this for me?
@Metal do you offer mod/repair service?
have a few controllers I can't manage to fix. don't wanna further damage them.
any leads on this is appreciated thank you.
No, I sure don't
cool, now just have to wait if any seller in my country will import and sell this. It's really annoying to buy from ali here despite we literally neighbor countries
This was the best service I've ever gotten from an Aliexpress vendor.
@@metalplasticelectronics354Problem is from my country's custom clearance and the goofvernment ain't making it any easier for your average citizen.
Maybe if there's a local electronics repair shop you can get them to order in bulk and then buy from your local repair shop. But of course that's going increase cost to you because the local shop needs to make profit.
@@syn80 we do have e-commerce to buy from but only if there are seller, repair shops here are trash - at least the console related one - the best I can find is some random technictian offer ONLY the replacement service using the hall effect modules, they don't even sell it themselves.
Most if not all console related shops/repair shops (big to small) don't even know about the calibration tool that microsoft put out for the normal xbox controller let alone the calibration tool for dualschock 4 and dualsense. Maybe because I am not looking hard enough, but even controller facebook groups (yes, my country still mainly use facebook) don't even about any of the calibration tools.
Potentiometer is superior. Just accept its life expectancy
The ball mouse is superior to the optical mouse just accept that it gets dirty. 🤦🏽
This is the type of wasteful thinking apple tries so hard to push "just replace it" type shit you must love to litter out in the street you waste of space
Maybe from next version they can make joystick modular so people can change joystics sensors easily without all the soldering n stuff
@@AshT8524 The Sega Dreamcast already did that and if you noticed the company went broke 😂
@@originsmaster8140 that was due to the ps2 having a dvd player and how easy it was to pirate. you could literally use a boot disc and then play whatever you wanted on dreamcast. sucks cause i always felt like sega were the best at creating good consoles with great games
Would you say the delay time is comparable to potentiometers? I don’t really play FPSs too much so the absolute fastest time is not a must for me, but every now and then I play with my brother when he can who’s currently serving in Pakistan. So I probably wouldn’t notice a very slight difference.
These have a slightly different feel than a potentiometer joystick, and I think the difference is from the delay that is caused by the filtering of the sensor output. But for these in this video, it is very slight.
@@metalplasticelectronics354 so if I wanted to swap them out myself, I should not really notice a change? As I said I’ll only be playing cod once or twice a month. The feel I can get used to, but what I was to know is am I gonna try to aim and see a half second delay? Because if it’s a delay difference of less than 50ms, I really don’t think I can even consider it a delay since I’m not gonna notice a significant amount of time between input and result.