Greg Murphy Weighs In on New Zealand's Speed Limit Debate
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- čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
- Is driving slower more harm than good?
V8 Supercar legend, Greg Murphy, spoke to me about these bizarre speed limit laws that councils are holding fort on.
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Try driving from Auckland to Tauranga via Waihi, more speed changes, road cones and slow wankers everywhere. Ridiculous frustrating nonsense.
Same thing going north of Auckland, half the time I can't remember what the speed limit is as it changes 30-50-60-70-80-100km so often, I now remember where the speed camera's are and slow to 70km past them
When you get slow drivers that drive below the speed limit ,you get frustrated drivers and impatience occurs and mistakes are made .
And add to that, people that are normally good drivers lose concentration and their mind wonders because it has less to process. Yet, in the USA, I had no problem driving at 70mph for hours on end behind trucks.
You mean when people drive within the legal speed limit, as required by the law, it provokes other people to lose their minds and take stupid risks for minimal gains? BTW, I think we should keep the 30kph urban zones and just derestrict the motorways. You want to make up time, bash out 300kph in your Audi on the road that was built for it. Better make sure your mind doesn't wander...
I get so bored i can watch a youtube video between lights and then watch another before the lights change.
Actually ive started eating a full dinner plate meal while driving because i have the time while going 25 kph on quiet streets
Plus slow drivers are generally less confident on the road which leads to more accidents and mistakes
Slow drivers are not safe drivers they are just slow drivers.
All accidents involve stupidity, lack of attention and lack of ability. Some accidents include excessive speed and that excessive speed is a result of stupidity, lack of attention and lack of ability.
Plenty of people drive cars that are not actually safe on the road, dodgy wofs, poor handling. Low safety ratings the list goes on
Greg Murphy makes a lot of needed common sense
His position isn't supported by experts or data lmao
@@Me-ui1zy ex the un known quantity and sperts a drip under pressure
Who the f##k is Greg Murphy, never heard of him
@@Me-ui1zy Thats not exactly right, technically anyone is an "expert" as there is no defined criteria to be classed an "expert". The data actually says that the #1 factor in crashes is time spent on the road with #2 being road surface condition. Then throw in that under law car speedo's must read between +5-10% faster then actual road speed. You see why no report was commissioned...
Vote Greg Murphy for the next Transport Minister
Ride a motorbike & you will see how many distracted drivers there are. They're just oblivious to what's going on around them.
They can be hard to spot sometimes. Mind you I ride a bike myself.
Agreed. There is a lot of drivers out there that don't know how to react around motorbikes. Had a few times where I've had to think "shit do I hit the car or park it in the ditch", but luckily I've managed to avoid any type of crash so far.
@@rkctransportationvids You definitely need your wits about you. Riding a bike has made me a super careful car driver.
@@boatnz5374 I see you coming in my mirror down between the lanes on the motorway,
Most of the time I move over a bit if you're not going a stupid speed.
But if we're stopped at the lights don't pull in front of me, stay in the middle or queue like everyone else!
@@jashknap8804 the reason riders filter to the front is to avoid nose to tail accidents which are more likely & more of a hazard. At minimum I will be ready to go beside you & be watching my mirror. Filtering on motorways, yeah do so at a pace your willing to be cut off at is my motto, but I don’t live near one so I’m not bla’zie about it
A retiring police officer a few years ago was given the honour of giving a farewell speech to the media for a lifetime of service. He started as a Traffic Officer that got amalinated into the Police force after 8 to 10 years. In his speech he stated that when a Traffic Officer the policy was only the worst 10% of stops were to result in a fines as stops were an educational event. However once they were amalinated the policy changed to EVERY TRAFFIC VIOLATION WAS A CRIME & HAD TO RECEIVE A FINE & driver education went out the door. He also stated quoting "That despite denials from heads of policing, THERE IS A QUOTA SYSTEM & police officer on traffic duty are REQUIRED to issue a set amount of tickets per shift."
Road Safety Policing IS NOT about improving road safety - IT IS REVENUE COLLECTING!!! Lowering speed limits DOES NOT REDUCE accidents BUT DOES INCREASE TICKETS ISSUED.
yes I knew a proper cop who said the same thing
Couldn't have said it better!
It was never about safety, it is all about the climate agenda. The safety discussion is merely a justification to impose control
Completly, instead of encouraging safe driving , (initiative, responsible) we moralise on slowing down traffic, despite most being just as detracted, unprepared as ever. All this has very little to do with safety on our roads.
Same deal with firearms...
@@KathrynLiz1more guns = more gun crime
Don't relate guns to this topic 😂
How can it still be a "climate agenda" issue if the Greens are nowhere near power now?
People voted for change & now they got that change it still looks the same?
If it’s about climate, cars use the least fuel at highway speeds, slower speeds burn more fuel.
the driver training in this country is shocking. people are taught how to "not get into trouble" which will never work you need to put them in trouble in a controlled environment and teach them how to get out of trouble. this will majorly reduce the fright/shock in troubled situations and prevent some accidents and reduce the damage in others
Fully agree. See my comment / suggestion about using driving simulators to do this, taking a leaf out of the airline industry. Simulating a child stepping out in front of them, and them hitting that child again and again, until they master the skills needed to avoid the accident... would hopefully make people more aware of how useless they are. Also might instill some muscle memory on what you're actually supposed to do - rather than just panic.
For my part, when I was a kid we used to get cars that failed WOF and fang around the farm in them. What blew my mind back then, was after something went wrong... eg: clipping a hole in the paddock hidden in the grass, how much longer it took to regain control and stop the car, than it normally would. Ever since then, I've always driven as though there was a 'hidden hole' in the road around the corner... Does that make me a slower driver? No, not usually (unless weather/road conditions dictate), what it does do, is to make me concentrate, and be super aware as to what's going on around me.
100% read my comments on driver training & accidents causes
I'm surprised that the last rabble didn't revert back to every car requiring a man with a flag walking ahead of each vehicle.
Gosh, you are one step ahead of me. I had approached the Racing Industry with a proposal that " their membership flog off any 'past their use by date' horses that could be on sold to Joe Public, that would allow NZelanders (please note name!!) to return to the days of yore - the other thing they could offer is - how to use riding equipment, riding lessons, how to manage your horse, best feeding solutions and finally, joining all other horse owners - flogging the " end product' at the front gate - yer know a form of "product recycling".
Plus a plethora of road cones to the perimeter of every vehicle.😂
Road speed changes were not done well. Some make sense and some do not. Some councilers have no clues, but good at talking nonsense and over spending. Some speed humps are violent at the suggested 30kph. Example Lincoln rd & Barrinton st Ch Ch . Some commercials and delivery vans at 30kph will have there loads lifting off the deck violently, they need about 2kph to stop load lift. Overdone speed humps are a disaster. Many drivers are not confident especially on motorways. The wire barriors on Chch southern motorway are constantly being broken. Some drivers can't drive in a straight line, some are freaked out on motorways, some slow down for gently curves that have no speed reduction sign. I really wonder if our driving instrutors are not very good. Cell phones are a massive problem. Easy fixed get caught instant loss of license and car impounded, that will wake them up to their law breaking. Many drivers need need more training by people with real driving abilities. Are drivers tested in heavy motorway traffic. And slow impeeding drivers are a massive problem, they stretch out big gaps in heavy traffic denying others a chance to clear intersections, these slow impeeding drivers only speed up when the lights change they are good at running the lights. Trucks many travel at 100kph and a little more, this seems to be tolerated by Police.
On rural roads that had been lowered to 80kph I just ignored the speed limit all together. Fuck them! I've traveled at up too 100kph for 40 years on these roads with not one single accident. 80kph is total bullshit!
Survivorship bias. Why don’t you quote some actually evidence instead of making a fool of yourself.
@@georgelaxton...some "actually" evidence...? Try learning correct English and perhaps provide some evidence yourself for any benefits to lowering the speed limit on a state highway that has never seen an accident before you willfully insult someone on the internet whom you've never met.
You deserve to lose your license.
@@mattytee8671 People like you cause gridlock and shouldn't be driving.
@@mattytee8671 People like you cause gridlock and shouldn't be driving.
Everyone wants to be in charge, that's the problem with the Country. Power struggles amongst muppets.
That's the problem with every country, it is the problem with people.
I travel 1 hour each way on Hawke's Bay roads every day - the damaged wire barriers that Greg talks about on the Expressway have cones and 50km signs for 3kms. most people ignore them and travel at 100kms. They've been like that for months.
That’s the whole country. Often the cones and signs are just left behind.
In Australia incompetent drivers driving well under the speed on open roads are classed as a hazard and are fined, and I think have to have a driver competence test and or coarse, we should have this in NZ.
I live in Australia I have never seen someone ticketed for driving 20km under the speed limit. I have seen thousands of people driving 20km under but never pulled over.
Same in uk 🇬🇧.
Yeah, that's what we are made to believe, but they are not. There is no revenue in driver training!
It's a sub clause of negligent driving. Same as having high beams on within 200m of another vehicle etc.. have been charged for speeding while overtaking a vehicle doing 40km/h under signed speed in fair conditions by a cop sitting behind slow vehicle doing nothing about it. Apparently I'm being dangerous by overtaking in a designated area and all speed limits in Queensland need to be reduced... or they hide in the bushes with radars at overtaking lanes with a patrol car waiting a km up the road to pull you over.
Fair point with reduced restricted licences for doing a bit of training. Shouldn't happen. Definitely a lack of skills and operational awareness increasing on the roads the past decade.
Fuck further testing. Just make fines 3 times the difference of speeding
Since they dropped the speed limit on State highway 6 between Nelson and Blenheim, there have been no fatal car crashes and a massive reduction in total car crashes. I used to get called out, on average, once a week. I can't remember when I was last called out to a car crash between Nelson and Rai Valley
I just made a comment about that too
What about the Fatal April 2024 Okaramio?
hasn't that road also been redone and widen in places were there were a lot of crashes too?? could that have something to do with it?
www.transport.govt.nz/statistics-and-insights/safety-road-deaths - Road toll is currently tracking lowest in last 5 years...and if you go further back is on track to be the lowest in 10 years. Will be interesting to see what the number is on January 1st 2025.
They have ruined that road in my opinion I used to do 3 trips from port Nelson to Blenheim each day carting wine containers now we can only get 2 loads a day. It’s no longer profitable and we have moved the truck onto a different run instead.
It would take no more resources to pull up a slow driver in actual fact it would be easier than to pull up a speeding driver
True, I knew one of the traffic division inspectors and his statements were basically that even though the slow drivers obstructing the traffic flow and not letting people pass were breaking the law and creating a well known pattern of serious hazzards - they were not to be pulled over as the risk of stopping them especially if the unit had to turn around to do so was too high.
Note that it is the risk to the officer that was at stake, not the road users being offeded against - the same maneuvers were to be done for drivers exceeding the speed limit and the risk passed onto the other users - ie we had to make it safe for them to do them.
The risk of other users being frustrated and doing some stupid would then be grounds for them to be stopped and ticketed for what ever they did - the slow driver as to still be let go and create more Hazzards and ticketing opportunities.
The Cheese grater barriers that have been implemented between Bulls and Wanganui are a bl00dy travesty, zero thought has been put in here, one slow car or farming vehicle halts traffic down to 10 - 15K's for like 20 + kilometers, it is not a practical solution while it is single lane, if they are trying to create road rage they are bang on with the solution.
They have these barriers On the Road, SH2, between Masterton and Carterton, after construction of two roundabouts, One business and a number of People Living between these roundabouts need to travel kilometres in the Opposite direction to get where they want to go!!
I think the speed that a cop stops a car for speeding needs to go back from 3kms to 9kms over the limit and maybe give some leeway on open road limits, ask was it safe and careful as most of the time 110 to 115 in open roads is safer than 80 to 90 kph.
however its safe for them to do 160kmh, over taking traffic to catch up to you for driving unsafe by doing 3kmh over the limit on an open road with no traffic
@@TestAccount-uu9vp I've been arrested multiple times for challenging the Police when they too break the law! Some quote said something about keeping the law enforcers honest.
The so called expressway south of Auckland is a poor quality road for 110km/hr. They could at least have built a quality surface.
Been on SH1, 60kmh driver backed up 20+ cars, 4th in the queue was a cop that did NOTHING
I saw a report on NZ crash stats (getting old maybe 2006) that said 22% of accidents INVOLVE speed, 22% of accidents INVOLVE Drugs &/or Alcohol (hereby called drugs) & 56% of accidents INVOLVE other factors (unlisted as to what these were). That means OVER of HALF of accidents ARE NOT CAUSED by speed or drugs & just because 44% of accidents do involve these DOES NOT MEAN they CAUSED the accidents as there is a high probability that they were caused by the 56% of OTHER FACTORS meaning only
Well, I'm just back from driving in Croatia which was interesting to say the least. They drive pretty fast on a mix of fantastic toll roads to very narrow rural roads. Never saw an accident, never saw cars with dings. Most of the car fleet are manuals. They just know how to drive!! The toll roads speed limit is 130, most travel at around 150 to 160kph and occasionally more than that. They just know how to drive. Driving ability in NZ is shocking and getting worse. We need to teach people how to actually drive and that means how to drive round a corner, our country (like Croatia) is full of them.
Look up the Institute of Advanced Motorists (IAM). They are a road safety charity delivering advanced (on road) driver training. In other words, they teach people how to go around corners (amongst many other things) properly.
It has nothing to do with knowing how to drive, and everything to do with the infrastructure. Every country that I have visited in Europe had better infrastructure than NZ, and the speed limits on roads reflected that, roads that are 80km/h limit in Europe would be 100km/h here, 80km/h would be 60km/h. I've been living in Europe for 4 years and only saw a handful of sign-posted corner speed limits, and only on dual carriageway 120km/h roads down to 110 or 100 for a corner you could easily take at 120km/h.
Because of all of this, if you want to get from A->B, you can usually do so on dual-carriageway roads at 120km/h, any time you have to travel on slower roads no-one seems to be in a rush because the alternative is a nice and safe fast road. Also has the side benefit of never hearing about a road-toll every-time a long weekend comes along, Ireland has had a torrid year in terms of road deaths, and yet with a similar population is nearly 50 deaths behind the road toll of NZ for the year. I was even nervous driving in Spain but the roads between Granada and Portugal were again far better than what we have in NZ.
Sounds like a couple of lies in that spiel there.
The problem in NZ is that a lot of people can't drive well and then they teach their children how to drive like them. I wouldn't want to make driving schools mandatory but if the test was harder then it might go a long way to improving the driving skill in the country.
@@syphe0 Road toll is over played and Ireland is a lot flatter than NZ.
For years, I have driven to Wellington from Cambridge, a good 6 hrs or 6 hrs & 20min. Last October and January took me 7 hrs & 30min plus extra over 1/4 petrol tank. Far too many 80km/hrs. The problem is... after 100km/hrs sign post, from 80km/hrs, the car(s) in front, don't speed up. ie/ not more 92km/hrs... for long time. Agreed with chesse cutter, they don't fix it straight away. Total Agreed with Murphy, with Restrict license. My boy is getting a full license for one little mistake. He failed and he trying to book again, too busy, for next 5 or 6 weeks. So, next day he went into other quiet town, extra hour drive away, extra $ to pay for it, huge cost. He passed it.
LCD.
Lowest common denominator.
With the cheese cutters every driver is restricted to the speed of the slowest driver, and I have had my suspicions that people are paid to go out and drive very slowly.
A study was done in Aucklands 30kph areas and it turns out they have not affected the road toll and accident numbers at all.
Bullcrap, where is your source or link to the study done?
@@dswee3005 its public knowledge it was on the news. Tv1
@@dswee3005 the same place as the info and the study to say it needed changing most likely, create one.
@@stu290bushriderpretty sure there are a lot of studies that can prove if you are hit by a car at 50kmh it causes more damage than 30kmh
Would like to see a study that says the opposite...
@@dswee3005Perhaps by your logic we should all go 10-15kmh. Or better still 5kmh with a man and a flag walking in front of us. I’ve even had e-scooters pass me and they don’t register on a speed camera. Go figure.
Speed limits that are too low kinda promote distracted driving. Drive at a safe speed that demands more concentration. It's not a perfect solution for every scenario but there is some truth behind it.
Melbourne councils implemented 40 km/hr limits on main roads where shops exist. BAD MOVE. Pedestrians are encouraged to cross these roads 'at any point' instead at Ped Crossings because they see Cars going so slow and NO DANGER percieved. Its a mightmare of abuse.
Now instead of people doing 80 in a 100k zone they are doing 60 in an 80k zone with a line of 30 cars behind them and no intention to pull over and let everyone pass, a good chunk of drivers in our local town have nearly no experience handling a motor vehicle at 100kph and it shows in driving decisions - hastings
we can learn from Australia, they do school zones well, 110 for open road and 80 in more built-up areas, more range is needed and more new roads should be 110. Cars have improved so much over the past 30 years!
I have anger issues when it comes to slow drivers, boy do they drive me nuts. As for slowing down at schools it's pretty much a given cos there's kids, adults and cars, I've always slowed down at drop off and pick up time.
If only every drove like you do but unfortunately they don't, that's why it should be a 30km speed zone around schools between 8am and 6pm
@@dswee3005 most people drove at 30k when it was 40k. A prime example of wasting money to achieve something that was happening for the most part anyway, except now we have the same few people, not driving 10k over, but now 20k over.
@@stu290bushriderabsolute bollocks, nobody was driving 30kmh past a school when it was a 50kmh.zone unless the lollypop signs were out.
@@dswee3005 was I the only one? I am talking about congested areas, like Lakeview in Masterton, Solway school. People everywhere, car doors opening into traffic etc.
And you and your anger issues are exactly the reason we need these speed limits , to many impatient drivers in a hurry to basically get nowhere
Driver education is the most important thing to reduce the road toll. Automatic cars play a big part in the distraction also. I have spent time all over the world in some crazy places with what seems like no road rules, but hardly see a car with a scratch on it. Peru is an example. People when they are driving are concentrating! I would love to sit down with Greg and have a yarn about this problem we have here in NZ.
Peru deaths per 100,000 is double NZ.
I work in traffic control. STMS for over 20 years. The Noo Zulland traveling public is a collective idiot. And 20,000 orange bloody cones DO NOT HELP. Fucking cones - they're in the ditches, up in the trees, over the banks, in the rivers, washing up on the beaches...
Yep completely agree. Insuring an automatic car in the UK costs significantly more because their insurance models demonstrate that drivers in automatic cars have more accidents.
Too easy in an automatic to just zone out and just brake + steer. Manual gearboxes force you to look much further ahead, anticipate and plan
Councils have worked out that if they push hard enough Tread lightly Luxon will back off for fear he mite loose a few votes
What authorities set the speed limits in cities and suburbs.
@@johnmartin7158 local bodies
@@johnmartin7158 Generally local authorities, as the RCA (road controlling authority). State highways are under central government, with various local government input.
I 100% agree with everything Greg has said, especially the road side and centre line 'safety' improvements that are actually making the roads less safe in many instances! You can't fine slow drivers for driving slow, there are a lot of reasons for why people drive slow, confidence in their own ability, learning to drive, the elderly and so on, so just be patient, but drivers that are driving slow and being inconsiderate in the process is an issue that does need to be addressed and they should be ticketed for that inconsideration. Trying to force slow drivers to drive faster is only ever going to result in more incidents. I remember a famous motorcycle racer that went on to be a commentator, his comment related to track racing, but applies everywhere else as well, his comment was "you can't teach a slow rider to ride fast, but you can teach a fast rider how not to fall off", that very same adage applies to everyday driving on public roads, only it isn't to prevent them from falling off, it is to prevent them from having accidents as a consequence of a lack of basic driving skills that they have never been taught.
Pretty sure that was Mick Doohan talking about Casey Stoner. Not really relevant to public roads though.
@@AAAA-yi9hs I'm pretty sure you are correct, my memory didn't work and it was Mick, but I also thought it may have been Barry Sheene as well, as Barry went on to be a commentator, so I didn't name a name lol ... TY for that ... all 3 of them were great riders.
How much money is wasted on speed limit changes that achieve nothing more than waste money and resources when traffic were on average doing that speed, and no issues had been seen.
Ask the new government that wants to change everything back but meanwhile preaching they want to be very frugal with spending and spend each dollar very carefully.... Yea right
The speed limit changes reduced fatal accidents on a whole lot of roads. There might be some where the wrong call was made for sure. But overall they saved a lot of lives.
@@JamesFaction saved a lot of lives??? Where? Certainly not showing in the National road death toll stats. The road from Featherston to Masterton had very few if any deaths. The only ones were at a major intersection where a roundabout was installed, yet the limit is 80km. Then you get on the notorious Rimutaka hill road and back upto 100k. Reducing the speed limit on that section will do nothing but waste money on signs and changing a bunch of other stuff associated. The section of road from Carterton to Masterton now has a rope barrier, and constantly getting hit. People are saying, "gee, look how many lives the barriers have saved". Back up to pre barrier install, and how many deaths? None, that's how many. So why are the barriers being hit, when before there were no incidents??? All it's done is create more fossil fuel emmisions because vehicles accessing properties on that stretch now have to travel further to go anywhere, and lined the pockets of some contractors.
@@dswee3005 shouldn't cost much to change back, just put the old ones back up. There will be other roads that will need reducing due to expansion for the new 80k signs to go.
@@stu290bushrideryea Sure just put the old signs back up. The old signs that don't exist anymore.
Everyone knows that road workers take the piss. It would take 3 workers at least 5 hours to change one sign.
So you can't say it wont cost much, each sign would cost 500$ just in wages plus another 400$ for the signs
Imagine arderns govt legislation being denied by councils the press and citizens
Ah yeah she just legislated over the top of their resistance and called in the police
I believe we need to make Greg Murphy the Minister of speed!!
Have a look at the Newel HWY (39) in NSW Australia. Speed limit was reduced from 110 to 100 (for safety and the environment) and immediately suffered its worst string of fatal crashes ever.
Speed limit went back to 110, problem solved.
Duncan its so ridiculous, I regularly drive from riverhead to coatesville (rural open road 60kph limit) then to silverdale ( rural 80kph limit) then motorway to warkworth (100kph limit but should be 110) then through dome valley (80kph limit) to my road I live on that is a country road that turns to gravel and is 100 kph limit... the worst bit of road is 100kph limit ffs
It'd be nice to have either odd or even speed limits... 40-60-80-100-120 or 30-50-70-90-110 etc I fear going on a road trip now, it's impossible to enjoy a drive without constant worry if I'm over or under!
@@peterlattimore6013 I just drive to the conditions, sometimes that's 140. Sometimes it's under the limit because traffic is heavy, and you get a heightened sense of alertness. Speed signs are just a guide. For some it's 100k, drive at 90, then get to an 80k sign, do 70, cuuunts man, get off the road.
Well said , those limits are a complete cluster-fuk of stupidity especially the Riverhead Road , that would never have happened in the old days with the MoT/LTSA was setting limits.
Jacinda can't walk to the dairy without security.
Let alone drive.
Bro give it up already, it's getting really old. Jacinda was ages ago
Find something new to complain about
@@dswee3005 well who put the 30km limit in the four Avs in Christchurch. It's still here bro what's its purpose.
Who locked kids in there home with retarded parents..
Who told kids not to go to school n wear a mask.
Get over it
These kids are terrorizing every neighborhood in NZ
@@dswee3005 ai deleted my messages because they don't conform to the narrative.
Good day hope you enjoyed pride month.
@@tribalwar9971haha just shows exactly what kind of person you are.
You disagree with my point and can't say anything constructive so simply throw out a discriminative slur regarding sexuality. Very very mature...
You must really hate yourself and be very insecure if you feel the need to comment on someone else's sexual preference.
that may be true, there are more morons in NZ than I ever credited.
Councilors are experts in ignoring corruption or taking advantage of it
They took my grandads licence away for being too slow on Waikato roads on his Humber 80 40 years ago now this bullshit
Save the money on signage and spend it on HANDS ON driver training. Like teaching someone to fish rather than giving them a fish.
Research and decades of data show otherwise. Reckons don't mean anything.
Where do driving schools take the learners around the test course? In Timaru, they can't do that (I've got 2 kids on learners), they said they are not allowed in anyway to do that....and when they went for the test they had to unplug the dash cam as to not film the course.
Then they both failed for the smallest things, if they go over the limit it's an instant fail, but one got a critical error for being too slow on one road with the comments saying "Ensure you keep up with the posted speed limit"....so they have to keep up without going over the limit in a hilly town? Then when braking, they got a critical error for not checking the traffic behind before slowing down.....surely it's up to the driver behind to keep their distance and watch out for the car in front braking, not the other way around. And so many have been failed, that it's now a 4 month waiting list before they can try again.
Anything to fail and keep the money coming. The country is faaarcd.
@@stu290bushrider Maybe. They don't have to pay to sit test again, which is good. It's just silly how they expect them to drive better than 99% of existing road users...one failed for keeping up with traffic and went at 54 km/h on speedo (which is only 50 GPS anyway) in a 50 zone.
Hmmm so a kid runs out in front of you and oh hang on I gotta check that there is not a car following too close first before I stop?
Often its idiot rules and idiot ways people are taught thats the real problem.
@@carlwear1249 Yeah, it's stupid. I understand knowing where other road users are and what they're doing, but you can't be expected to change how you brake based on the car behind you.
Take them to the Christchurch "Drive Smart"( I think that's the name), it's the Greg Murphy approved one by AA. We did a solid 6hrs of training at the Mike Pero racecourse and did laps on clutch and brake control for fuel economy as well. It was a course on everything. Parallel parking, reversing, swerving to avoid obstacles, how to care for our cars before WOFs, I did mine in 2018/19 so can't confirm if still going but if it is I highly endorse it. And it's available for ANY driver, New or old!
The problem is the government and councils can't get their 💩 together. At the end of the day I thought we were the Bose, not them we elected them in their so we are really the one's to blame. and that's the best we've got rude arrogant self entitled burrocrats with power to do what they want with out considering our options as a whole.
Once again IS Murphy the only person who knows about motoring in New Zealand???? He's still wants a top job at Waka Cartowa
I don't think he knows any more about driving on public roads than anyone else. Yeah, he's bloody good on a track but the cars and environment are completely different in every way imaginible. I would value an experienced truckies opinion more than Greg's on this topic - remembering that truckies drive cars and motorbikes too.
Waka coathanger? They used to use those as car aerials.
When you think you live in the most car centric city in the world. Auckland - hold my beer
I gave up on the Wairarapa's woke highway, much prefer to burn more gas and risk life and limb on the Battersea autobahn, lets hope the coalition doesn't forget why they got our vote
My understanding of accidents around schools is that they're mostly caused by parents picking their kids up and they happen because the parent is focused on looking for their child and don't see other children who stray out into the road. Which also means that these accidents are occurring at lower speeds already as anyone who has driven near a school at these times can attest. You cannot drive fast due to the roads being congested.
Given that the stats show Maori and Pacific Island children are more likely to be run over it suggests a lack of awareness within these communities about road safety. That is where the efforts should be put instead of useless blanket speed limits. Another common way for children to be hit is when playing on their driveway behind a vehicle which then backs out and the driver can't see the child.
We have had decades of propaganda on speed being the problem, when it is the solution. This raises eyebrows but what problem are you trying to solve? Why do you use a car? Why use something that exceeds your own bodies speed limit? Because they are fast. The problem isnt the speed, it is that at times, through different mechanisms but almost always through inattention and stupidity folks try to put 2 items in the same space at the same time. Remove collisions and you remove all road deaths, reduce speed and you reduce the impact of the collision (only 1 person dies instead of 2). Work on the skills and distractions, stop looking at your speedo (just a tip, it wont save you), and start looking down the road not your phone or the immediate vehicle in front of you. Plan, buy time, consider what you are doing. Then the speed is irrelevant.
Good comments, good interview.
The data that's available shows that reduced limits have worked, are working, across NZ.
Why is our community being *safer* being seen by some as a bad thing?
If we changed the standard to gain a license and trained our youth at actually driving we would be way better off.
Australian here
South Australia has school limits of 25. 24 hour when children are present, so if a child is visible at 4am it's 25km/hour. Not a limit you can feel and with radar people spend more time staring at the speedometer than the road and consequently there are more accidents than in NSW where the limits are 40km/hour and only at certain times. But the limit won't change in South Australia...
The councils are only a few people, they do not speak for me or in fact all New Zealanders
Where I live has gone from 80 to 50, nearly half, so more gas to get nowhere fast
Part of the issue is there are people who work for NZTA who openly HATE cars and ride a bike everywhere they go, these people are the ones pushing the bike lanes on every city to benefit their own lifestyle and everyone who drives pays the price..the irony of these people is that they're never gonna ride their bikes to the airport, instead theyll Uber or taxi (absolute hypocrites) when will we get people who are actually passionate about making our roads better and not just punish us for driving?
As another Hawkes bay driver, the area of expressway by the airport was reduced to 80. Then concrete side barriers and cheese grater medium barriers were installed. So why hasn’t this area been re opened to 100 when people can’t cross because of multiple physical barriers yet half a K down the road it’s back to 100 but the concrete barriers aren’t in that section? The expressway was built with single lane bridges and the area from Pakowhai to Taradale is a choke point in both directions as the volume of traffic in that short section is huge. The new round about out at Awatoto was built closer to the sea than the road was and has already been flooded and it hasn’t been done more than a year. The new median cheese graters on the expressway prevent emergency services from over taking or being able to do a U turn when needed for urgent response. Why do you get a speed change up after a town then have to go back down for a sign posted slow corner a hundred meters or so later?
The defensive driving course i took when i was learning made a HUGE difference to my driving skill. I didn't even do it for the discount of time. It taught me how to be aware of all potential hazards on the road.
It takes me less than 10 minutes to get to work. Within that time the speed limits go: 40, 50, 30, 40, 50, 30, 50, 60, 40, 50km/h.
The slower the speed the more distracted drivers will become.
Additionally slowing the speed leads to more drivers getting road rage and making more dangerous manoeuvres to get around people (breaking road rules).
While speed is the element that leads to injuries or more serious injuries - it is mistakenly being blamed for the accident. More often than not the driver is impaired, driving reckless, or not driving to the conditions and it is that not necessarily the speed that causes the accident, the speed just impacts the severity.
In many places the council is to blame for the urbanisation or industrialisation of certain key/connecting roads - too many intersections, too many driveways. without making/keeping direct/semi-direct a to b’s.
i live in kalgoorlie wa. here there speed restriction around drop off and pick up times but return to normal speed out of them times. there is also fine for those caught on mobile phones(hand held). has had a effect through the use police and cameras.
Everybody will just ignore these stupid lower speed limits.
hmm or Greg doesn't understand Physics...
in Sydney there is a 40kmh limit from 8.00am to 9.30am and 2.30 to 4.00pm. Instant unbelievable traffic jams - of course there should be a restricted zone around schools but three hours a day is excessive and intensely non productive, frustrating and not the answer. 10kms above the limit on motorways is generally very manageable by average motorists as we have seen with sections of motorway at 110kms and few problems. Lots of bad roads of course contribute to crashes.
Most children are killed outside of these hours as they have sports practise etc or go back to the school to play after they have been home. Evidence and data matters.
Whakatāne through to Rotorua changes between 60-80kms the whole way, frustrating.
About time someone touted as an expert by authorities agrees the speed limit reductions are stupid.
The key problem is certain people need to be taught how to use their brakes when necessary.
And more over higher speeds keep people more attentive as drivers, thus more likely to be able to brake when necessary because they are less distracted when driving more quickly.
Daft decisions by desk jockeys who are overly influenced by nervous Nellys.
When the speed limit is slower than bicycle traffic the issue is one of stupid decision makers not excessive speed.
Wire barriers are more of a risk factor than drivers trundling along at 120kph.
52 year old here - licensed since age 15, truckie almost 20 years now and yeah, some bs speed restrictions around the place. Where's the important lessons on large heavy vehicles - trucks buses and campers in the road code??? Govt officials should consult those experienced on the roads and not attempt to claim expertise on the subject when attempting to reduce the carnage on the roads via slower speeds only. Eskdale HB I thought would be an 80 kph limit yet its a hundred, and for a large section of the state highway 5 Napier Taupo hills, its reduced where its not needed. You cant make things idiot proof, they have to be taught the physics of speed and to use good sound judgment. Phones, and the modern car infotainment systems are more difficult to operate compared to the old stereo systems of physical knobs and real buttons, including the AC climate controls also.
Hi guys. I totally agree with Murph on all the points he raised. It wasn’t until I had to become aware of my own bad habits when I became an AA driving instructor ( 4 years). The amount of driving impatience and driving with an entitled attitude with total disregard to the road rules that’s around, is ridiculous. One example of how lowering speed limits that I can mention is when for about 10 years I travelled on return trips from the Hutt to the Kapiti coast via the Paekākāriki hill road. It started at 80kph and ended up at 50kph. Every trip I made, I was behind people that even at 50kph, were driving slower than that limit and crossing the centreline when negotiating corners. Yes speed is a contributing factor in accidents but it isn’t the primary cause. Driver competence, lack of attention and total disregard/ignorance of why the rules are the rules ( which includes drunk driving obviously ) are the root causes. 😊
If you go back in history there is some very good evidence that slowing down works. In the 1970's the speed limit was reduced from 60 mph to 50 mph with the idea of reducing fuel consumption during the oil shock. When the speed limit was returned to 60 mph and the stats were reviewed it was found that the road toll during the limited speed period was reduced by 50% then returned to the pre speed restriction levels when the restriction was removed.
Greg is right in that we dont train our drivers properly. Once you have your license you never have to look at a road code, ever!
NZ Road Police encourage dangerous driving. Excessive speed in the wrong context is bad, but there are many more factors in dangerous driving. Unfortunately Road Policing is run by wildly incompetent people.
For those that think speed is not a factor look at the USA with its 80mph highway speeds. Derelict big rigs, utes towing two trailers,, bike riders with no helmets all at 80mph and all with a God given right not to use indicators. The USA has two and a half times the fatality rate of Australia.
Same with firearms law, persecute the straight laced people, as if the bad questionable people would no longer be an issue
The wire barrier is a cheese cutter for humans and vehicles
We have become a tick box society. That is the whole problem. No room for independent thinkers anywhere
as a motorbike rider and commercial driver in Auckland here's things I notice on the daily
even if the speed limit lowers most people don't give a fuck (THIS IS FOR YOU TAILGATERS)
the phone or passenger conversation is more important than paying attention
when in the wrong, either don't look (if you don't see them, they aint there... right?) or just get angry cos they called you out on your bullshit and road rage it up..
in-attention causes far more accidents than speed (but if they going fast ofc its gonna be worse)
red lights are optional unless camera or police are there
most commercial drivers are piss poor, if your a commercial driver you should be better than other drivers around you, not pissing them off with stupid antics
most of these people should be on the bus not in a car
I think there are a lot of new people in the country. That can't drive. You are right about phones etc. But just putting a super low speed over the country is not the answer!
Back in the 70s’ and 80’s the speed limit guide was five pages which included a full page diagram and was easily understood by everyone now its 61 pages of complication and just a gravy-train for consultants because it’s way too complicated for an overworked council engineer to get their heads around. Back in the old days limits were set by a small group of Traffic Engineers at the MoT/LTSA working in conjunction with Police, the Local body concerned (representing residents) (or Transit in the case of a state highway) and the AA representing general motorists. All technically competent and understanding the process and objectives now there is a cast of thousands with every one who drives being an expert. Result chaos and complete inconsistency across the country, how on earth are motorist supposed to know what the limit is without constantly looking for signs ? It’s a shambles with some ridiculous limits , just take a look at central Auckland for the giant cluster fk limits with no consistency to anywhere else in NZ .
We just need regular licence testing.
I would like to take a few lessons from the airline industry, where pilots have to practice for things going wrong in a simulator, so that if something DOES go wrong, they know what to do.
For driving, that'd mean simulator throwing up things like, child running out in front of car, tyre blow out, car coming the opposite direction crossing white-line, oil spill, etc.
Drivers would need to be trained how to and practice responding to these things in the simulator, and pass a test showing they can appropriately respond.
And just like the airline industry, we should expect people to have to re-train regularly. Maybe once every 2 years (or similar), drivers would have to spend maybe 2 hours in the simulator, else lose their license. Develop and deploy these around the country, so they're accessible. If we did it right, we'd probably be able to sell them internationally too. Shouldn't be overly hard, given the incredible things people can do with computer games nowadays.
NZ and australia need driver training like in finland
best driver in WRC come out of finland
Napier to Taupo, what an absolute joke, 80 km part is so hard to get a rhythm going and then you get the slow people doing 70 km, it does your head in and then they get all upset when you pass them, the road to me is still good enough for 100 km apart from the areas that are being fixed of course.
Everyone's in a damn rush these days this when accidents happen
Skip the first 4 minutes of management cliche waffling in the vid. Greg finally gave us an example of incorrect limits with the Esk Valley to Taupo Road. There's too many people, many of those when driving would rather be distracted by a screen.
Keeping speed limits down makes more money in fines
Stupid isn't smarter.
We don't need lower speed limits. What we do need is better driver education and training. Advanced driving courses for learners should be provided and subsidized. Also immigrants wanting to transfer their home country licence to a NZ licence should be made to go through the whole system properly if they are immigrating from a high risk country instead of paying some dodgy person a few hundred bucks to get a bit of paperwork to say they are fully qualified to drive to NZ road rules and conditions.
For the biggest issue are the actual drivers. A good chunk of drivers in NZ are terrible. They don't pay attention, don't understand what is going on around their car and don't have the knowledge to improve.
The government and council want votes so will do the thing that costs the least amount votes. Seems speed limits cost the least votes. NZ needs proper driver training and education. Not just new drivers but all drivers
How fast could Greg drive these roads in his lanes if they where closed.
I'm hearing you Murf, My son has just completed his advanced driving course. It a joke! He spent all his energy trying to piss the stiff at the front of the room off. He had zero respect for him or the course. Sadly nor did I. They taught him nothing. My son is just like me at that age but I had 80hp he has 400whp in his tricked out BMW 335i. You can't stop them so all I could do was teach him.
I traveled with him to Auckland last weekend and I kid you not he was more alert and better anticipated the zombies than me. He has been driving just 12 months on his restricted and not long turned 17. I truly believe the average driver is a complete moron!
We need to start teaching the kids properly. I took the 335 out too a road I know well and let him have at it. Yes he was getting it wrong at first and we got one corner way wrong but we weren't going that fast but then he started to get it and balancing the car under braking etc and next thing you know we are effortlessly nailing that bit of road. He was relaxed and chill and loving it. Way inside the envelope of the car. It is not hard to teach so why don't we? We worry about there hands at 10 and 2 FFS but not how to drive. Makes absolutely no sense to me! EX voluntary firefighter and seen some mind numbing dumb accidents but I never scraped a boy racer off the road, not once! Food for thought.
I did an advanced course. There seemed to be two main groups taking it. Those looking at joining the police and those who'd been forced to take it because of traffic violations. The latter were the noisy ones in the class.
Great viewpoint Greg Murphy. Agree 100%
Auckland's cook street off ramp, goes from 80km to 30km within a very short distance of the off ramp. I believe it is dangerous , It should go from 80km to 50km and then 30km. Policing of plane bad driving should and needs to be a thing. I love the Texas youtube cop who pulls over a car in the fast/passing lane at the speed limit not moving over
Based on this logic the safest speed is zero.
Driver education is key, people are being killed or injured when they have an accident simply because the have no idea what to do when a situation arises. Lowering the speed limit only makes it worse due to frustration. If drivers are not confident to travel at the speed limit, put over & let other drivers pass or take a back road. The safety star rating means nothing, it doesn't matter how many airbags you put in a coke can you're still gunna die !!!
What makes him an expert ?
Maybe his years of being a professional driver.
@@ReklessRagnar So driving around a track fast makes you a road safety expert compared to people that spend years actually studying road safety ?
@@cedricsmith8821 Yep
@@ReklessRagnar Na
@@cedricsmith8821 Well the people that come up with these false claims are not experts either.
I agree that it is not the rules/limits, it is terrible driving. Learn and apply the rules, get off your phone, stop looking at your passenger when talking. The police and govt. dropped the ball years ago, why should I be punished for all that?
Speed limits need to be put back to what they once were asap, it's an absolute joke driving State Highway 30 from Rotorua to Whakatane with the rubbish reduced speed limits.
PREACH!!!! LOUDER FOR THE MUPPETS IN THE BACK!!! It all starts wirh EDUCATION. I still don't know why defensive driving courses aren't mandatory.
Driver's are more alert when diving faster.
.At slow speeds people's minds wonder off from the task at hand ...if they want saver roads they need to make the roads safer. Not just make people Drive slower...state Highway 1 between taupo and Turangi dropped the speed and crashes increased
😂🤣😂 just like Londons councils directed by kan !🤔🤨😡
Following the net zero MADNESS !🤔🤨😡
People die from massive over soeed not driving at the speed limit. So dropping the speed limit will do nothing
100km vs 100km head on crash is fatal. Both doing speed limit.
I spent nearly 2 hours on the southern motorway Greenland to Papakura 30ks , do not get me started incompetence is everywhere in power. They are the only ones who think they are winners.😂😂😂
Does anyone notice the lack of knowledge and skills of drivers?
Speed can’t fix stupid!!
Greater skills and knowledge are important.
Why do we force people to go learn skills at various degrees of schools and apprenticeships. But don’t care about teaching driving skills?
Went to get my license renewed. An eye test a bit of paper and of course may money. I got a license for 10 years. No checking if I got the knowledge or skills. No checking to see if I got complacent. And I’m good for 10 more years.
Needs more regular actual checks on skills and knowledge.