How to Price ANY LAWN SERVICE in 2024 (Detailed Examples)
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- čas přidán 18. 01. 2023
- How to price any lawn service for your lawn care business.
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Thanks for sharing you always have great stuff I appreciate it
Get you an old trampoline (people will pay you to haul off) makes the best tarp it will last for years
Dude that's actually a genius idea. I don't understand why I haven't heard this before.
You are an insane genius
Brilliant idea.
Good idea!
Genius! Genius! Genius!
Hey Jonathan please make more videos like these. Numbers are everything and this was very helpful!
This year by following alot of what i have learned from you I have got my prices raised. I still have a old riding mower but believe soon I will be able to upgrade to a zero turn. The yards taking me 15 minutes with it get $40 and getting people who even though I gave a different price won't let me mow for less than $100. I am growing now to and might actually end up being successful at this.
Tarps are great till they hang on the gate. Thanks for the formulas
haha, this is so true. got to make sure you don't have any spurs or hang ups on your gate!
Jonathan I love the stuff I love the office stuff of it and I love figuring out I don't know how to do man hour rate versus what you just did and really helped out a lot thanks keep sending the content I need to keep learning
Thank you this was great. And yes the excel lesson was wonderful for us new guys that are serious about this business. Please keep adding what may seem small to you big guys but it’s tremendous value to us little fish. Thanks again. I liked and shared this video to return value and help your algorithm increase. Have a great rest of your day.
This content is GOLD! Thanks Jonathan!
Great video, thanks for all the tips. Thanks
This is great brother. I really appreciate these simple but lucrative tips. God bless you brother.
Probably the best video I’ve seen so far, thanks
Been watching you since 2019 you're very smart with the lawn game my hat goes off to you. It's funny how that little hustler mower put you in the game lol
We do a lot of overgrown properties/ abandoned and some have trampolines. We take the trampoline (fabric) not sure what you call it and use them! Free and the metal clips attached hold up pretty good when using a mower to pull them onto the trailer. Food for thought :)
This was very helpful man thanks for the advice!🤘🏽
Hell yeah need more videos like this
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for hanging out!
Ain't to proud to say I appreciate the baby steps. Could stumble thru it myself, but I have no excuse now.
Super helpful! This can be applicable immediately and easily. Thank you Jonathan.
Glad it was helpful!
Great content very informative I love watching your channel
I appreciate that!
Definitely keep showing us everything, I learned many things I didn’t know… keep breaking everything down because I really needed that thanks 🙏👍 like and sub
Great video! Thank you
Glad you liked it!
Good valuable info bud! Thank you!
Great stuff!
You give a lot of really good info brother 🙏🏻👍🏻
Good video. the Dewalt 20v hand pruner is golden for crepes. it can prune up to 1.5" diameter. A ratchet strap or rope is good to bundle crepe limbs too. Timing helps for future jobs for sure.
Thanks for sharing your rates!
Thanks for the great info
You bet!
Nice video. For new guys... Have to remember to factor in drive time to job and time it takes to dump the debris.
Great job Jonathan...I appreciate the information man! Still waiting on that house video! lol
Coming soon!
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome!!! I’ve always wanted to learn how to do those excel formulas, thanks for sharing 😀👍🏻🙏🏻
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you
Good stuff
I've been messing with different methods of pricing. Currently for residential pricing the following seems to line up with my profit and expenses needed.
I will do a $35 charge + (1.5-2.0 depending on difficulty of terrain and trimming needed) X (sqft/1000)
A 10000 sqft lot comes to 50-55 depending on what multiplier you use.
.45 is the absolute minimum in my area, south of town from me is at $50. People seem to respond well to it.
Thank you 🙏🏼
You’re welcome 😊
a helpful tip about excell is after you hit "=" (equal) you can click the cell you want to incorporate into the equation
Good stuff Brother, we still have our MHR. However, we changed this year to a package based to cover about 90% of all things and I think it should work based on some pre-loading payments and possibly save folks money from sticker shock. I.e. basic, standard, and Premium packages. Each incorporates certain services that we do (a la carte) as a monthly price vs oh it's 25 a mow then asked to do a leaf cleanup and shock them to a 600 ticket. They now choose a package to pay that amount and that's included in off-season visits without a 1-time show and charge. Now if they don't choose that particular package with incorporated services then (a la carte) it is
Hope that kinda made sense...
Thank you for this, judging on your numbers I wasn't doing to bad guesstimating lol Only problems is the jobs have dried up, I need to learn how to make better adds to bring in more customers.
Great info for a newbie. Might also help to explain how you choose your hourly rate. I use an overhead calculator that breaks down my costs to each workable minute of the day, from there I just add the profit I want to make.
I set my hrly rate based as high as market allows until we stop closing a substantial portion of sales/estimates. I would suggest any service provider to keep pushing the rate up and up until you meet substantial resistance... that's where we should be sitting. Good comment.
@@FloridaTurfPros Totally agree, I try to to maintain a 50% close rate on summer services and15-20% close rate on Christmas lights installs (much lower due to push higher avg. tickets).
I always get worried if I close too many jobs in a row lol.
By the way, your content has been helpful over the years, I appreciate your efforts.
@@FloridaTurfPros here in SA TX homes 3-450k my hrly rate is 65 ea man. BUT I close maybe 1out of 10 estimates. I feel a little overpricesed but i work MUCH BETTER knowing i will profit greatly!....
Could somebody tell me how to get in this app or what’s the name of it?
Very nice
Thanks
I am lucky to get $60 per man hour in my area. People expect something for nothing but too lazy to do it themselves. They complain that they don't get paid enough, so they don't want to pay anyone else anything. I have found this true for tree service, lawn mowing, and landscaping. I no longer do tree service but I find it interesting when a couple makes in excess of 120k annually and complains about a tree service quoting $700 to remove a 90 ft pine 15 ft from their house. And a neighbor thinks a quote for $2200 to remove two 90 ft that are 20 ft from their house leaning toward the house is too high. I told both of them I didn't show up for less than $800 because I lost money if I charged $600 because of the cost of running and maintaining the equipment. Neither one had their trees removed.
No dump trailer. That was my 2nd investment after my 2016 F 150 XLT Sport. 5x10 Delco dump trailer with scissor lift. Up to 5000 lbs. 💪
Very useful
glad you liked it
@Florida Turf Pros yeah that formula makes it way easier I used to just guess
Services with many variables are tough to price. But you can always be profitable if you create more demand. People will pay more for a guy or company they like. If you're bidding against other companies or rando guys with a van and a push mower, you're a commodity. Getting referrals helps avoid bidding. This is for residential mainly - as commercial properties, you usually have to bid on larger properites.
Excell is very Helpful! What about a sliding scale for weed control and Fertilization?
Dewalt handheld battery pruners. Makes life much easier.
Thanks for the video! PER MAN = you are charging $120/hour for each crew member on the mowing route or more like $60/hour + 2 guys?
Last thing too, Some homeowners don't understand that either, they see you give them a $45pmh rate and you're in and out in 10 minutes they think that it's over-priced and they are overpaying.
Matter of fact had a new lead yesterday try to tell me well 50 per cut is too much when you are going to be in and out in less than 15 minutes with that fancy zero-turn with edging, trimming, and blowing.
Failure to realize yes 15 mins with another technician trimming, and edging at the same time is called efficiency then blowing everything off and on to the next.
I won't explain that to them either I say yes I understand but that is our minimum price regardless and yes we are efficient with how we do things. I will have this estimate to you by COB and will also include some optional items that will not have any effects on the subtotal unless you check the box. Have a blessed day and gone
This spring I printed a similar for yo your but per minute. So I got every customer on $ per minute. Example: my hourly rate is $120, is $2 per .minute (my benchmark). Client takes 30 minutes and i charges $50= $1.66 so I need to increase the price by $10
One thing we never get back is time so need to make it right!
$120 hr!!!!!!! What state are you in!???here in SA TX I am lucky to get 45$ hr. Soooooooooo much competition here we are close to Mexico border so you can imagine my competitors everywhere you look I mean evvvvveryyyywhereeee. 😭this is why I want to move northern where there is snow also. I priced a small storage commercial property at $90 2 wks. And they said last guy was doing it for $40 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️! If we can beat that then we have the job. I live in a $200-350k neighborhood. My house is $205k in 2016. I probably close 1 out of 10 estimates. I WILL NOT WORK FOR CRUMBS. it’s not worth it to break my back.
@@uliperezsatx Same here in Houston TX. Hard to get 45 to 50 for a standard lawn.
@@chardricleath9579 so what I noticed with the customers I’ve had about two years in I raise the price five to $10. Minimum is at $50. A lot of them actually stayed wanting my service. I was surprised. But I lost some BUT now I get paid the same as if I had those other ones at a cheaper rate.
Supply and demand curve is harsh. Sometimes better to take a little less but have a few more customers. You need to allow for some customers to stop using you over time, so if you raise the prices and go from 10 to 3 customers, you are now in a tricky situation if one of the higher paying customers leave, because you have no backup. If you take slightly less, but have 10 customers, then if 1 leaves, you still have 9, and are also more competitive to find another customer. @@uliperezsatx
Would you be willing to share how you come up with per man hour rates and why as it pertains to profit and different services.
It's kind of odd to me that the mowing of lawns seems to be not valued dollar wise as other services. Mowing still takes skill, fuel, commercial mower, etc. Anyways, I just love your content brother & this video especially. Thank you for this .
Work is for free, It's the time!!
Great video, I have a ❓ for you. If you had the same amount to cut on the crepe myrtles, would you charge the same amount on a commercial site If not how would you price it compared to residential, also if you have the same yardage on a commercial site about the same as a residential would charge higher or about the same If you have to do lawn maintenance cut trim and blow. Thanks
What's up Jonathan. Customers don't need to know your man hour , Your man Ours is for you to know how to price your job. If you tell the customer you charge them $200 per hour then they expect you to stay there and hour. It's better just to give them the price and when you're done with the job.
The price is the price
I don’t tell them my man hr. I guess if they watch my vids 🤷♂️
This is for helping lawn company owners not customers
Im a new lawn Care company and I have been trying to figure out what weed killer and pre emergent to use in flower beds could you help me out? or make a video on weed killer and pre emergent for flower beds
Great information! Thanks!
Are you adding sales tax to price or backing the sales tax out of price?
No sales tax on service work in Florida
How many employees is that based on as far as that man hour rate? What do you think would be a good man hour rate for a solo person?
Depending on the location, some cities will pick up the clippings/limbs. not where I live, so I tell the client there will be an added disposal fee if they would like me to take it off. The time it takes to drive and also pay the fee to dump it. also, where I live there are a lot of private communities that require, I pay a gate pass. Rich people LOL
Those crapes look like a fungus on them.. and yeah dont want to Crape Murder. Look good though. and yes need a thick tarp. i usually use a tarp for all clean ups. leaves and trimmings. though if i can mulch it ill do that first. what program are you using that has this feature?
You murdered the them
Probably dumb question but does your man hour change depending how many employees you have working that project?
i get how you factor in the price to charge for the crepe job at this site. what did you charge for hauling all the debris away?
Hold up. What about dumping time and fees? I would have no problem charging $250 for a job that size here in the DMV!
nice video , In my opinion shouldnt we be charging for the "time " it takes to go to the dump? and that be included with the total time , obviously in the vide it wasnt much brush to get rid of . But depending where youre at it could take another 1hr 20 mins of driving plus gas plus the brush site fee
Ive personally usually charged per project , sometimes it works out for me some times it doesnt . So im trying to find a nice mix inbetween of what to charge . I also only have one guy as a helper so i guess it makes more sense to charge how i do for me
If you're charging by the project then it is actually easier to factor in the dumping cost. One way would be to factor your desired hourly rate for the work, then determine how much fuel it would cost you to drive to and FROM the dump site, plus 10%, and see what it works out at. If you get charged per visit to the dump site and you can get a couple of projects worth of waste stored, you instant profit by going once every two or three jobs instead of every job. You also become time efficient.
Get canvas trap and flex all the whole tarp satuate the canvas. It will last for years. I have two. I did this to my tarps. I did this 6 years ago. No signs of wear after dragging over iron clay soil.
What’s the app that your using
Just a quick question, as for the time if you have 2 people do you multiply the time by2 and then do the formula? Hope that makes sense😅
per man-hour means per hour, per man. so yes, you’d take how much money you want to make per hour and multiply it by how many men you have working.👍🏼
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Small properties are the easiest sells. I find it much easier to sell a 2 hour leaf cleanup for $300 Than a 16 man hour leaf clean-up for $2400. Money goes a lot further on a small property.
💯 you got it figured out
Do you still use that chart with the square footage, level of difficulty, etc.? Or strictly this formula in excel for lawn mowing now?
Honestly we mow in the same neighborhoods, and all the neighborhoods are the same sq footage. I'm able to give a price over the phone without even referencing the chart, because 99% of the homes fall within 5500 sq ft. That chart is valuable however when you are starting out to understand how to price different services.
@@FloridaTurfPros It helped us when we first started out and I still refer back to it quite a bit. Thanks!
I don’t get it what do you mean by 200 but I’m only charging 20 dollars
Do you factor in drive time or mileage with your prices also or do you just price a job by the job and not fire mileage or time to get there?
I do not factor drive time with this calculation. the reason is because you have to first make sure each job is profitable on its own regardless of drive time. one you know for sure each job is profitable on its own, then you can look at reducing non-billable hours such as drive time.
@@FloridaTurfPros could you make a video and explain how I should calculate my drive time I’m just starting out and I’m confused on how to factor that in
Crape murder!!!
Crepe murder is the worst.
@@FloridaTurfPros what does that mean
Hello! Jonathan, hey do you have any updates on your course?
I'm hoping to add a sod module in the near future!
@@FloridaTurfPros thanks!
Great explanation on Excel. BUT I think you skipped a very important factor, travel time to and from the shop. This oversight could kill you on payroll. If you’re paying your guys from the time they show up to work until they go home you have to add that travel time onto the bill. I can’t see how you could possibly eat that cost.
It's all in the "per man hour" price. It's not literally the price you take home as pay, but includes all base costs (that need to be calculated seperately). Example: you estimate most work will require 3 hours of driving (total) to get to/from and maybe some driving while you're there, so what does 3 hours of driving cost? Not the time, but fuel and maintenance? Let's say a bad MPG figure for your vehicle is 15 MPG. You drive highways to get to most customers at 60 MPH, so that is 180 miles and 12 gallons of fuel. It costs $500 to service your vehicle on a schedule of 5000 miles, so that is 10 cents/mile. It costs you $50 to fill your mower. Your fixed cost just to get to a job is $18 + $48 + $50 = $116 and you didn't even do anything yet.
I’m really curious I know you say $200 a man hour and it only took you certain amount of time to do those crêpe myrtles. Do you not add in for dump fee
In this particular example, no. I'm just trying to illustrate a point of how to check your pricing based on time. I do add in dump fees to the cost of the job.
@@FloridaTurfPros understand great video I actually went to a class this past year with a business consultant his name is Tony bass he teaches a 3 day class that’s all about your man hour profits and loses you also learn about how to add in for your truck,equipment all kinda stuff and then also about how long it take to mow a yard with different mowers this grass only and then about bushes I learned a lot from it at the end of the week you will know how to bid on a yard the correct way and also no your man hour and your gross revenue that you have to bring in to get close to your budgeting year
What’s the cost to take debris to the dump ?
Minimum charge is $10, but usually costs me about $40 for large loads.
No disrespect but you have to learn how to cut crapes better and leave them looking professional. Also a tip would be to tie them up with Pinestraw string nice and tight so you can fit more in trailer.
Are u including dump fees?
No, this is just a video to understand the concept.
I still don’t understand how you did all that in excel. My keyboard doesn’t even have a division symbol to do it
/ is divide.
How much to mow 7000 sq ft
$50.
cant believe people actually pay 60 for lawn mowing on small yards. Its hard to charge 45 but that's my minimum. 60 is my highest ive charged for normal rates. Its still hard to get overgrown prices because people are cheap and want 35 mows on jungle yards.
You need to learn to sell! "Well Sir, $35 is for a yard where we just need to mow, but you need extra work to cut down the overgrowth and debris removal, which also takes longer, hence the $60 charge".
Great video.
Great stuff!
Glad you think so!
I agree. Great stuff!