The Elemental Chaos | D&D Lore | The Elemental Planes | The Dungeoncast Ep.373
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- William and Brian are kicking off the New Year with the Year of the Elemental! What a better place to start then where most elementals reside - The Elemental Chaos! Explore the raw unfiltered chaos that persists outside of the Material Plane this week on The Dungeoncast!
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I feel like the reason 5e has so little info on the Elemental Chaos is because it’s kind of unnecessary if there’s limbo and the abyss and elemental planes in 5e. I almost think it could’ve stayed in 4e, but it is cool
During 4e, the spellplague burned the bonds of all the planes. They fell into how they were in the beginning of existence. This ended during the event “the second sundering” where Ao fixed some things and at the conclusion of the last novel in this event…5e starts.
Here for the chaos!
I love 4e and I'm glad somebody else has noticed and talked about how much 4e actually did for d&d mythology and cosmology. Not saying it was non existent before, cause it most certainly was present, but it was cobbled together over years of core books, splat books, magazines, side books, etc. 4e tried to bring it all together in the core books and fleshed out different aspects that hadn't ever been fleshed out before (though it also left some stuff out, like the full alignment chart, even though even 5e and One D&D are both trying to do away with it as a concrete axis and more of a background, tertiary aspect of the game).
I've been a strong proponent of 4e since shortly after it released when my rogue pulled an anime move that was hype AF 😅 and my love for that era has only strengthened over the years. I especially love what 4e did for Spirits and Animism in d&d and that's one of the things that strongly inspired me to worldbuild myself.
ITS THE YEAR OF THE ELEMENTAL!!!! 🥳
There is a Spencer's next to a Hot Topic at my nearby mall. Couple stores down is a pretzel shop.
Heck yeah! Year of the elemental! I’m here for it!
So I DMed a game a while back with the “evil” earth elemental Ogremoch. It was a fun game.
You guys have talked about Olhydra before, abet briefly. She came up when you were talking about the trident Drown, which comes from the Princes of the Apocalypse campaign. That item years ago is how I found the campaign since I was in a D. Dave Walters level 20 game and he let us each pick any legendary weapon we wanted. I eventually ran it and fell in love. It gets a lot of hate because yeah the book has a few layout problems and far fewer gaps in the story, but it leans into darker themes you don't often see in D&D-- Which is nice because not everybody is gonna wanna play something as deep as Ravenloft. Prices of the apocalypse also didn't got alot of attention because it came out only a few months before Descent into Avernus. I see you just posted a video on Imix (I meant to make this comment last week lol) so I'm hoping it gets more people wanting to play PotA. The elemental evil my party ended up fighting at the end of the campaign was Yan-C-Bin. Depending on the order the party deals with the cults determined which of the four elemental evil prices they go against.
I absolutely love this episode. Talking about the little known aspects about how our favorite make believe universe is made. It really fleshes out how any campaign can be expanded on. Great upload my brothers.
Your D&D Gung-Fu is adequate and on it's way to becoming legendary my grasshoppers.😊
Oh and new D&D magic consumable: Baerds Cream of Wild Stew. It's a warm cup of chaos soup.
It's always warm, and always changing tastes-
Roll for random effects good luck.
Ilyan and Bearn (sp?) hitchhiked on a lightning boat with a Gith-Yankee. Absolutely HILARIOUS 😂
Thank em thank em gotta thank em all gotta thank em all pat're'ons
Djinni appeared in 4E's Monster Manual 2 while Marids and Dao eventually showed up in Dungeon Magazine.
Apparently they saw having one Genie type for each of the four elements was redundant and just kept the ones most commonly fought and the ones most commonly friendly to the party.
Animatics of the short rest adventures would be amazing
id looove a episode about traps, hazards and puzzles! its one of those things thats hard to really learn as a new dm
I've got a campaign in progress (about half done?) In which the Slaad have used the material plane and a group of gullible druids to channel the energy of the elder elementals and rip open a gate to Limbo and eventually consume all the inner planes and finally the material plane into limbo. The end goal of course being the destruction of Mechanus allowing chaos to rule the planes themselves. The Slaad throw in behind the demons and end the Blood War to get a sufficient force to sweep through the upper planes. The raw elemental chaos will tear even the demon lords to pieces and all that's left to warp the cosmos to their will are the Slaadi.
All hail Ygorl, Lord of Entropy!
@@brianroberts783 I have a Void Slaad as the current BBEG but this could easily be the proper big bad reveal. I've never gone quite so big but it would make sense.
So... the Elemental Chaos is just a more hostile Limbo?
Fish suits are a spell jammer magic item let your players ride the lightings
The introduction of the elemental chaos was the best thing ever. Planes devoted to individual elements was so dumb. Blended planes make pacing faster and eliminated the garbage physics problems like infinite oceans or earth that were a slog.
How does that eliminate physics problems? And how are individual elemental planes dumb but planes based on individual alignments not? Especially since even with blended planes the elements are still segregated mechanically.
@@Mordalon imo, elemental planes becoming more and more themselves was kind of boring and often the most interesting parts of the anes were where they met and interacted. Elemental Chaos has them all blended from the start and mixes them in weird ways, like islands made of super dense clouds or fire (not molten rock, but straight fire) that you could walk on and farm. Lightning that flows and pools like water instead of arcing across the sky. Earth so light and fine you can pass through it like a thick fog.
@@Mordalon an infinite plane of water would contain a gravity well so strong it would collapse in on itself. As would an infinite plane of earth. Blended planes mean that you can reach them all and it gives you more flexibility while adventuring. Imagine visiting all the planes in a spelljammer. The plane of air and water acting as a highway to various other planes.
@@daddyaf945but I can cast magic so why would I care about physics problems.
@@larrypotter2243 World building always involves some rules. No physics, no story.
Are you gonna talk about the positive plane and the negative plane?
How do you spell “arkons”? I tried looking it up but nothing shows up because I don’t know how to spell it
Archons
You don’t need to bother converting everything into meters! I’m British but at my tables, we think of everything in feet whilst playing DnD! Because all the rules and the majority of sources are written that way.
4e is based on Forgotten Realms. During this time, Mystra’s death caused the spellplague. The spellplague, an eldritch fire, burned down Yggdrasil and caused the realms that it held up (all of them) to shift around to how they were before 1st edition’s chart. This is where the Elemental Chaos truly became a thing. This also caused Abier and Toril to start their collision. During the line of novels called “The Second Sundering” Ao re-sundered Abier and Toril and re-ordered things. This starts 5e. During the 4e period, the gods of the forgotten realms had to change and adept and warred with each other in preparation for the second sundering. This is why it is so vastly different and the novels during this period were top notch
4e is not based on forgotten realms. The forgotten realms cosmology was dramatically changed in order to fit better with the new 4e paradigm. It was a huge shift that upset a lot of forgotten realms fans for changing the lore to fit with the new edition.
When 4th edition was created wizards of the Coast wanted it to have its own setting not related to any of the older settings. This setting was never named and meant to be considered "the D&D setting". Fans came to call it the Entire Vale/Nerath setting.
@@Thedungeoncast Not to be argumentative but in the Forgotten Realms novels, the events that caused The spellplague were showed firsthand in the Empyrean Odyssey trilogy (you actually saw Mystra’s death at the hands of Azuth and Tyr killing Helm) and every major event within those novels reflect the lore of 4th edition. So the connection may not be official but I vividly remember reading how the anti-protagonists were on Yggdrasil while it was burning and watching the planes rise and fall as well as the creation of the elemental chaos. During the following novels, because all forgotten realm novels are interconnected, they explained through variations characters that without Mystra’s weave the realms were falling back into their original placement.
Also, I don’t know which forgotten realms fans were upset unless they were the ones who don’t enjoy reading novels. We got many amazing wars and were able to see the gods schemes first hand
@@epiccthulu You're mistaking the cause for the effect, the lore of 4E was written for it's own setting as they said and then the spell plague was used to bring the Realms also in line with the new lore
@@Aurelius-bf3yx yet the start of the spellplague was shown directly in The Empyrean odyssey for forgotten realms. You watch, in a scene, as Azuth is tricked into killing Mystra and a feedback loop of magic is created. Setting the entire weave ablaze in blue fire, then the characters have to flee Yggdrasil as it burns down and the realms it was holding up falls apart. You WATCH as the realms drift apart.
@@epiccthulu Are you trolling are do you really not get what I'm saying? No one is disputing that is what happened in the lore but that doesn't mean 4e was written around the Forgotten Realms, its the opposite that happened to bring FR in line with 4e
You don’t need to bother converting everything into meters! I’m British but at my tables, we think of everything in feet whilst playing DnD! Because all the rules and the majority of sources are written that way.
i disagree
its still cooler to be able to imagine how big something is when its mentioned, which is def easier when its been converted