It’s a W. If someone only has 500 to build a PC, they can use this with integrated graphics. Then, later on after some more saving, they can drop another 500 on a nice GPU and have a damn good gaming rig.
Feel happy bro. Instead of paying for two things, now you only have to pay for one. So what if the apu costs 500/600… it beats paying almost double that for mediocre performance.
The more people that start gaming on integrated graphics and start taking profit from nvidia, they might finally come out with some modern heat for a good price. It’s amazing it’s 2024 and we can’t just go buy a card that can handle 144hz 1080p across the board for ~$250. I know they’re getting better, but this should help speed it up.
My question for AMD is why don't they try to integrate there new apu tech like the 780m in lower end CPUs that they would pair with nicely, like cpus cost and performance equivalent to the Ryzen 5 2600 or the Ryzen 3 2200g
It is absolutely not. Try to compare IPC power of the processing cores with simmilar cpu and power of the integrated graphics with cpu/gpu combo.The whole APU consumes less power than CPU+GPU combo and if 890m with boosted clocks will outperform my 1070Ti, i'm telling you that my future pc build will be without any dedicated GPU. And 1070Ti is stiľ fast enough to outperform even rtx 2060 in most games. Not to mention that whole APU cpu will have a max TDP of 150W if you push it really hard with AVX benchmark test while FurMark is running in background. If you compare rtx 2060 consumption with the same IPC cpu, your combo will draw way above 200W while the APU stay nice and bellow 150W. Your welcome
@@samohraje2433 there talking about up front paying price, yes it would definitely be a lot more power efficient. Also just looking a at Amazon, a Ryzen 5 5500 + Rx 6600 comes to roughly £280 and the cheapest apu with the current highest apu tech (780m) is the Ryzen 7 8700g which is also roughly £280. The GPU beats the apu by 103%. I think the correct way to go about this is to make lower end CPUs that pair with the graphics well, rather than having a super high end and expensive CPU with 'ok' graphics, have a lower end 4core 8 thread, 6 core 6 thread, 6 core 12 thread APUs that match the price and performance than Apus would absolutely dominate the low too low-midrange pc market
You wouldn't see this performance on a handheld. The laptops here were using 50+ watts. The rog ally in comparison uses a maximum of 34 for short bursts, but usually less. These APUs would halve your battery life if the handheld could even cool the chip.
The 780M already beat the 1650 years ago. Honestly, just dont get a 50 tier laptop GPU unless if its current gen. An RTX 4050, or maybe even 3050 Ti will do you well.
@@RobloxianX So in short, I don't really need anything THAT powerful cause most of the games i have aren't that hardware hungry, the heaviest game i have is BeamNG which runs at 19FPS lowest 480p here.
@@RobloxianX I'm not really sure how well it will perform, but i bet it won't be good at all. But for the things i play rn (NFS ProStreet, Roblox, FNF, Quaver, TF2 and etcetera), it should hold on well. I don't look into buying AAA or heavy games at all so in my opinion i think this is decent for the stuff i look into playing/using it for, like streaming games for my friends on Discord and stuff like that.
I was just at a tech conference where NPUs were installed in new laptops. They take *SO* MUCH computational load of off both the CPU and GPU, that you can sqeeze a lot more performance out of both. Theyre designed for offline LLM processing, but they're already being used for any open gate decision making that used to fall to the GPU.
FWIW the big point of low end video cards these days is extra monitors for office systems. Onboard video was originally the exact same as what you could buy as an expansion card - In the days of Cirrus Logic, S3, SiS, Chips & Tech, all of them had integrated subsystems which were identical to PCI cards you could buy. Even companies like ATi and Paradise did this. What stopped THAT was Intel putting the video into their chipset in the socket 370 days, making all those other onboard chipsets redundant and eating their market share overnight in favor of lower cost and worse performance.
While these iGPUs are good, I think VRAM is going to be an issue. Games like to take up ungodly amounts of RAM and VRAM, and with some of the RAM being allocated for VRAM, we'd have less RAM.
Correct, but if those iGPUs is equivalent to an RTX 2050 (laptop version I think?), having over 6Gb of VRAM is a bit overkill, don't you think so? And I believe their purpose is to reduce price, reduce weight on laptops and probably handhelds, improve battery life without sacrificing too much performance while running cooler, which is something that not even Intel laptop CPUs can do. I doubt they'll be preferred by hardcore gamers but casual users who want a decent machine to complete daily tasks while still being able to enjoy light to mid tier games. Ram is definitely a problem, though. But I guess we can always buy more ram until it exceeds the limit that can be supported. In fact, I'm still using the iGPU of the Athlon 3000G on desktop to play Borderlands 3 (it runs pretty well) while having 8Gb of ram (2 is allocated for VRAM).
With AMD APUs, the GPU can use half your memory as vram. 16GB RAM = 8GB VRAM. So it's not really an issue. A real issue though is getting fast enough ram.
This really gets at the core of what a person uses a computer to do. A tremendous number of computers out there, maybe more than half, never run any game. They are business and office machines.
really love that integrated gpu's are getting better and better. I have a laptop with Intel irse and it's really good for my needs and also can do light gaming(Minecraft , Skyrim and alot of 2d games). Also good battery life too
That would be pretty convenient, the only problem is that you would need to make sure there is enough RAM to use as VRAM, and also fast enough to handle games.
Wooooow that is actually incredible I’m super excited for the future of computers, I hope one day iGPUS become efficient enough to run some hardcore shit that’d be dope af
It would be interesting to see budget gaming laptops that use integrated graphics but utilize the extra power that would be used for a gpu to fuel a full desktop cpu with desktop wattage behind it.
Just underrated thing is distribution of workload, GPU for best asset rendering at low res and npu to upscale it to best viewable resolution effectively getting best of both worlds!
I run my Legion Go at 30w and the battery life drops like crazy depending on the game your running and it's a chunky boy gets hot too, their would have to be a power/cooling solution to run these igpu in handheld form
@@justmatt2655 Because it is not possible for an iGPU inside 120W APU to rival a desktop GPU which consumes almost 200W Max. I guess mostly it rivals RTX 4070M 90 or 120W.
@@karthikeyan53 you could be right, but you'd be surprised how efficient they can make these parts. The mobile 4090 performs slightly above the desktop 4070 but at 150W, and this architecture is now 2 years old. I don't think it's completely impossible to have a 4070-like igpu releasing this year
It's great if you never plan on upgrading, but if you eventually want to upgrade it ends up defeating the point as you're then left with a weaker CPU compared to the normal Ryzen CPU, like the 7600(X) being so much better than the 8600G, it's effectively a whole generation better when it comes to gaming with a dGPU. The single upside is if you plan on staying with the iGPU is you'll never need to worry about vram being an issue, you can just upgrade your ram if needed.
This is true if you are a very casual gamer or only play games once in a while, or stick to older titles. For the core gamer though, it's always going to be necessary to have a GPU.
I've got 1650 mobile in my laptop that I've bought year ago and it's basically just for gaming time to time and mainly school.. it is good and enough for anything you throw at it
And I a 3060 and having terrible issues the last few weeks to the point, Ive actually taken out my xbox one S out of retirement… these recent drivers are absolutely terrible
I've had integrated GeForce 2 MX on MSI motherboard. I was able to play Max Payne 2, 1024x768, high details with reasonable FPS (around 30-50). Good times ^^
I was getting scared you were going to say it has better performance in the RX 480 but I'm glad my card I'm still using is still better than integrated GR
given that it took about 2 node shrinks and 3 architecture updates to match an entry level card from 4+ years ago..I don't think the need for dedicated GPUs is going anywhere anytime soon. atleast not until we get integrated GDDR/HBM and mainstream boards with Quad Channel RAM.
I mean, it still takes a load off the CPU to have one now meaning you have more processing power for graphics and more processing power for the CPU stuff
I managed to get my old intel uhd graphics gpu on my laptop to run beamng, phasmophobia, minecraft, subnautica, satisfactory, and a shit ton of other games. And on medium settings mind you. (Managed to get at least 30 fps on everything except phasmophobia.)
Even with how crappy Intel's discreet A380M is compared to other discreet cards, it's still pretty amazing to see AMD have integrated graphics that are almost equal to a modern (but low end) discreet mobile card.
Tbh 1650, 2050 are not really that modern and we can argue if xx50 cards are even really anything more than budget entry cards, We are still 3 generations behind and beating weakest cards really. Being on par with 3070 this year would be revolution. But they will never get to performance of medium cards :)
I've been hearing that integrated graphics are gonna beat GPUs since i was a kid, i don't doubt one day they will, but i question how affordable the ones that can actually exchange blows with mid level graphics cards are gonna be, i still get flashbacks to my awful dell laptop with integrated graphics.
Next gen AMD Strix Halo IGPU will be even as powerful as some low-end gaming laptop like RTX4060. Most multiplayer games like PUBG will run smoothy in 1440P.
Just to let everyone know...I can, surprisingly play Starfield with a radeon 680M. Yes, at 1080p with FSR3 and FG enabled, but still, it IS playable, in a laptop with an iGPU.
Second laptop still cost like 350-600 dollars it's being replaced by compared to those new processors. And also i woe the day they go the apple integrated storage/asus ally unmoddable route.
Same thing was advertised with a10 and a12 amd 8 years ago. They got outcompeted by them not having acces to good memory speeds like dedicated gpu. Unless your system is will have ddr5 i don't think they will be that hot.
I have integrated graphics in my laptop and I’m able to run Fortnite and Valorant at over 120-140 fps at 1080p and 120-144hz, the laptop is meant for school not for gaming btw
@@julek5570 Yeah! And now imagine how a 30w APU with cooling, form 2024 will fare against a 7w SoC from a2018, that is tightly pressed in a case that doesn't really allow for much cooling.
I still feel like they should make really powerful igpu😤(like in the Xbox and play station) and chuck then into a desktop cpu. They did it with consoles so why not just put them in computers🤷♂️
It would help if thier budget skew card weren't being made so slow with such a large gap between them. Like why is the 6500xt competing with the 1060 and 570, it should be competing with the 5600xt and 1660.
I'm sure they'll merge eventually, but until graphics memory is integrated into them (or we stop using pre-rendered textures)...they're going to remain a budget option. That slow, high latency ram on the motherboard is their achilles heel.
Apparently Strix point halo is getting a 256 bit (4 channel basically) bus which should give it relatively high bandwidth paired with the right RAM, still significantly less than GPU vram though
Keeping the GPU because 1 they have wide fan cooling compared to the CPU, 2 GPU are there to assist and keep the cpu small, 3 until they start beating the most up and up cards no point (for most) 4 AI. 5 Anti AI
Sadly, instead of putting these apu's in cheaper thin and lights, they're gonna be putting them in high res ultra costly ones, many of them already having a dedicated gpu. That's usually what happens.
Well unfortunately the Ryzen apus stayed exact in performance from 1st to 5th gen until being worse in 7th gen so real apus people would buy outside of laptops are still terrible
The ryzen 5600g is a good CPU for a budget build BC it has really good integrated graphics and even if U do get a GPU with it, it's still gonna be cheap and a good build
My intel cpu 2014 laptop mistakingly had a amd cpu that could run pretty much run every game from 2013 or older. But couldnt do anything else. Only found this out after getting a 2014 gaming laptop and thought it would be funny. Struggled with that laptop for 10 years. OvO
Couple of questions. With these new AI IGPUs, are you going to need to be connected to the internet for the IGPU to run? That is if they're not just slapping AI on it like everyone else now without it actually having it. I mean, without the internet, say like a bad storm that knocks out your internet (but not power), you wouldn't be able to use the IGPU other than what it was originally intended to do. Display the basic essentials. Also, how much are these things gonna cost when released? Because if there's a chance you can't make the best of it when the internet is out, is it worth a high price tag?
I bought a mini PC to watch movies, and just joking i installed Forza horizon 5 because i was sure the thing couldn't run it... But it did, low settings 90 FPS. Since then, i use that mini PC to emulate retro games and play classic PC games on the TV. The thing has a Ryzen 7 5800H and the integrated GPU.
When you can buy the best cpu with a good integrated gpu in it, pretty sure you will buy high end gpu as well. So it's kinda pointless, unless you're a budget gamer who's willing to pay extra for cpu and after a year of saving and playing on low/medium you buy 4090.
I hate to say it but I haven’t had a discrete graphics card in many years. No one in my family is into heavy game play on any computer in the house so an IGP does everything my family needs.
they're not beating budget GPU's in price those, for the same price of those APUs alone you can get a decent CPU and GPU combo, like for the $330 a 8700G you can get an i3-12100F or a Ryzen 5 3600/5500 and and RX 6600 and outperform it by double the performance
This trickeling down more and more to handhelds will hope fully make gaming affordable.
Atleast the device, the cost of games is ramping up hard.
I'm happy as long as I can afford minecraft and roblox. Only the two man games I play.
(and BeamNG)
Torrents
They're always free over here
boycott the companies until they are at our feet, money is all they care about, so atop giving it to them
That's really only a problem to people who play story mode games or can't stick to one fucking game or they play cod lmao
Oo boiiiii all integrated graphics beat my Radeon HD 5450
Am still here with a mobile HD 4670 :D
I need help :)
@@silents4ever 🫡 Standing strong I see
I have a 2060, and thats hastily being crept up on, it feels.
@CrinkledSoul same gpu man. The struggle is real
Me Running an 10 year old laptop; (⊙_⊙)
No.... Yes....
I don't know how to feel about this
It’s a W. If someone only has 500 to build a PC, they can use this with integrated graphics. Then, later on after some more saving, they can drop another 500 on a nice GPU and have a damn good gaming rig.
Feel happy bro. Instead of paying for two things, now you only have to pay for one. So what if the apu costs 500/600… it beats paying almost double that for mediocre performance.
Feel happy, don't feel envious because newer consumers won't struggle
Look at the price history of gpus then throw a party
The more people that start gaming on integrated graphics and start taking profit from nvidia, they might finally come out with some modern heat for a good price. It’s amazing it’s 2024 and we can’t just go buy a card that can handle 144hz 1080p across the board for ~$250. I know they’re getting better, but this should help speed it up.
the problem of this cpu with igpu is price compare to cpu+gpu combo price
People will still buy it because it takes up less space in their builds
My question for AMD is why don't they try to integrate there new apu tech like the 780m in lower end CPUs that they would pair with nicely, like cpus cost and performance equivalent to the Ryzen 5 2600 or the Ryzen 3 2200g
In the rest of the world gpus cost too much igpus are good
It is absolutely not. Try to compare IPC power of the processing cores with simmilar cpu and power of the integrated graphics with cpu/gpu combo.The whole APU consumes less power than CPU+GPU combo and if 890m with boosted clocks will outperform my 1070Ti, i'm telling you that my future pc build will be without any dedicated GPU. And 1070Ti is stiľ fast enough to outperform even rtx 2060 in most games. Not to mention that whole APU cpu will have a max TDP of 150W if you push it really hard with AVX benchmark test while FurMark is running in background. If you compare rtx 2060 consumption with the same IPC cpu, your combo will draw way above 200W while the APU stay nice and bellow 150W. Your welcome
@@samohraje2433 there talking about up front paying price, yes it would definitely be a lot more power efficient. Also just looking a at Amazon, a Ryzen 5 5500 + Rx 6600 comes to roughly £280 and the cheapest apu with the current highest apu tech (780m) is the Ryzen 7 8700g which is also roughly £280. The GPU beats the apu by 103%. I think the correct way to go about this is to make lower end CPUs that pair with the graphics well, rather than having a super high end and expensive CPU with 'ok' graphics, have a lower end 4core 8 thread, 6 core 6 thread, 6 core 12 thread APUs that match the price and performance than Apus would absolutely dominate the low too low-midrange pc market
Imagine gaming handhelds like the legion go now having this new igpu. Your basically getting a budget gaming pc on the go
You wouldn't see this performance on a handheld. The laptops here were using 50+ watts. The rog ally in comparison uses a maximum of 34 for short bursts, but usually less. These APUs would halve your battery life if the handheld could even cool the chip.
and an hour of battery life LOL
@@sinephaseAnd that is if the device doesn't get too hot to touch first.
@@lycanthossmaybe we can see good results in future I hope so
Damn, so even an integrated GPU is better than the laptop i was looking on buying (Core I5-10xxxH, GTX 1650 4GB)
The 780M already beat the 1650 years ago. Honestly, just dont get a 50 tier laptop GPU unless if its current gen. An RTX 4050, or maybe even 3050 Ti will do you well.
@@RobloxianX So in short, I don't really need anything THAT powerful cause most of the games i have aren't that hardware hungry, the heaviest game i have is BeamNG which runs at 19FPS lowest 480p here.
@@kensukedeluxe It should be fine, the question you always have to ask is not how it preforms now, but how it will preform in the future
@@RobloxianX I'm not really sure how well it will perform, but i bet it won't be good at all. But for the things i play rn (NFS ProStreet, Roblox, FNF, Quaver, TF2 and etcetera), it should hold on well. I don't look into buying AAA or heavy games at all so in my opinion i think this is decent for the stuff i look into playing/using it for, like streaming games for my friends on Discord and stuff like that.
All of those games that you listed should run well. Just don't forget to use an FPS unlocker when playing Roblox.
I was just at a tech conference where NPUs were installed in new laptops.
They take *SO* MUCH computational load of off both the CPU and GPU, that you can sqeeze a lot more performance out of both.
Theyre designed for offline LLM processing, but they're already being used for any open gate decision making that used to fall to the GPU.
"of off" 😂 that tripped me up ngl
FWIW the big point of low end video cards these days is extra monitors for office systems.
Onboard video was originally the exact same as what you could buy as an expansion card - In the days of Cirrus Logic, S3, SiS, Chips & Tech, all of them had integrated subsystems which were identical to PCI cards you could buy. Even companies like ATi and Paradise did this.
What stopped THAT was Intel putting the video into their chipset in the socket 370 days, making all those other onboard chipsets redundant and eating their market share overnight in favor of lower cost and worse performance.
Nah, you can use Them to Game. And for extra monitors get a USB to HDMI hub
Good ole S3 Virge.
While these iGPUs are good, I think VRAM is going to be an issue. Games like to take up ungodly amounts of RAM and VRAM, and with some of the RAM being allocated for VRAM, we'd have less RAM.
Correct, but if those iGPUs is equivalent to an RTX 2050 (laptop version I think?), having over 6Gb of VRAM is a bit overkill, don't you think so? And I believe their purpose is to reduce price, reduce weight on laptops and probably handhelds, improve battery life without sacrificing too much performance while running cooler, which is something that not even Intel laptop CPUs can do. I doubt they'll be preferred by hardcore gamers but casual users who want a decent machine to complete daily tasks while still being able to enjoy light to mid tier games. Ram is definitely a problem, though. But I guess we can always buy more ram until it exceeds the limit that can be supported. In fact, I'm still using the iGPU of the Athlon 3000G on desktop to play Borderlands 3 (it runs pretty well) while having 8Gb of ram (2 is allocated for VRAM).
RAM is dirt cheap
@@EthanNSenpaiVN amd sam exists
With AMD APUs, the GPU can use half your memory as vram. 16GB RAM = 8GB VRAM. So it's not really an issue. A real issue though is getting fast enough ram.
This really gets at the core of what a person uses a computer to do. A tremendous number of computers out there, maybe more than half, never run any game. They are business and office machines.
really love that integrated gpu's are getting better and better. I have a laptop with Intel irse and it's really good for my needs and also can do light gaming(Minecraft , Skyrim and alot of 2d games). Also good battery life too
Whats irse?
@@Fielith it's Intel iris Xe, it's a integrated Gpu
That day came a long time ago for me, I have not sat down and gamed at my pc in over 15 years.
I'm sorry for you
@@joelhodoborgassame
@GrandSenna who th goes to uni for 15 years?
@@jolyne_kujo_04 Doctors
@GrandSennaso he can waste time gaming?
Game developers: hold my specs
That would be pretty convenient, the only problem is that you would need to make sure there is enough RAM to use as VRAM, and also fast enough to handle games.
You can find 32GB DDR5 6000Mhz for about €100 these days!
@@godnyx117 My motherboard can only support DDR4 though (That does sound like a fairly good price though)
In fact, there was a time when GPUs did not even come on the motherboard, you had to buy an ISA or AGP GPU to have video output
He's talking about INTEGRATED GPUs not GPUs in general
We got rtx 2050 before gta 6
ITX builds will be really good in the next 5-10 years
Yes! Lower the bar for entry-level PC gaming! It should be enjoyed by as many people as possible.
That’s great! I’m stuck with a dell computer from like 2008!
Wooooow that is actually incredible I’m super excited for the future of computers, I hope one day iGPUS become efficient enough to run some hardcore shit that’d be dope af
It would be interesting to see budget gaming laptops that use integrated graphics but utilize the extra power that would be used for a gpu to fuel a full desktop cpu with desktop wattage behind it.
Some of us remember when anything beyond simple arithmetic required a separate processor - and was very expensive.
Just underrated thing is distribution of workload, GPU for best asset rendering at low res and npu to upscale it to best viewable resolution effectively getting best of both worlds!
finally, a laptop that can play Minecraft with shaders
I had integrated graphics and forgot to plug the hdmi into the gpu, it ran most games amazingly.
so you just ran games with no monitor lmao
how could you tell they were running amazingly?
Dude I can not wait for the mini PCs!!! I hope they come in less than half a year
I run my Legion Go at 30w and the battery life drops like crazy depending on the game your running and it's a chunky boy gets hot too, their would have to be a power/cooling solution to run these igpu in handheld form
Cant wait to see how well strix halo performs I've heard rumours it will rival the 4070/3080
Correction: it rivals 4070M not desktop 4070.
4070M mobile has 4 variants 90W, 120W, 150W, 175W. We don't know which variant AMD is rivaling.
@@karthikeyan53 where did you see that? I think you're right just wanna see for myself lol
@@justmatt2655 Because it is not possible for an iGPU inside 120W APU to rival a desktop GPU which consumes almost 200W Max.
I guess mostly it rivals RTX 4070M 90 or 120W.
@@karthikeyan53 you could be right, but you'd be surprised how efficient they can make these parts. The mobile 4090 performs slightly above the desktop 4070 but at 150W, and this architecture is now 2 years old. I don't think it's completely impossible to have a 4070-like igpu releasing this year
That's such a good thing for handheld pc gaming
It would be great if the majority of games were runnable without extra stuff it would definitely make pc gaming more accessible
Isn't what happened to audio card or whatever PCs in the 90s needed to makes sounds in games?
Not in 90s... audio cards started dying out around 2010... and by 2015 the market for them was over.
Awesome. Can dedicate my other graphics card to a VM and can still use my main OS for gaming.
It's great if you never plan on upgrading, but if you eventually want to upgrade it ends up defeating the point as you're then left with a weaker CPU compared to the normal Ryzen CPU, like the 7600(X) being so much better than the 8600G, it's effectively a whole generation better when it comes to gaming with a dGPU.
The single upside is if you plan on staying with the iGPU is you'll never need to worry about vram being an issue, you can just upgrade your ram if needed.
This is true if you are a very casual gamer or only play games once in a while, or stick to older titles. For the core gamer though, it's always going to be necessary to have a GPU.
Rockin' a Radeon 780M and it's a total beast. Absolutely kills playing 7th generation titles.
Would love to see this get used for handheld pc's and laptops.
If it lets my VR headset play 2D games better than my current rig, I will be happy
I've got 1650 mobile in my laptop that I've bought year ago and it's basically just for gaming time to time and mainly school.. it is good and enough for anything you throw at it
This was said 20 years ago with the Celeron processor. Integration isn’t always good. There will always be a need for graphics cards to be separate.
That'll make pc gaming more affordable great idea
As someone who still use R3 2200G to play Cyberpunk 2077, I love it!
It’s crazy to me that a 1650 is low end. I have a 1660 and a gaming laptop. I got about three years ago and it still runs smooth.
Cant wait to see la rogally 2 with that chip 👀
“The day is finally coming”
Yeah, heard that way too many times.
I love that you called League a baby game. It's soo true. On every single level!
And I a 3060 and having terrible issues the last few weeks to the point, Ive actually taken out my xbox one S out of retirement… these recent drivers are absolutely terrible
I've had integrated GeForce 2 MX on MSI motherboard. I was able to play Max Payne 2, 1024x768, high details with reasonable FPS (around 30-50). Good times ^^
I have a 1650, depending on this CPUs price, it looks like itll be my next upgrade
My last three personal computers had no graphics cards. We're talking about going back nearly ten years now.
I was getting scared you were going to say it has better performance in the RX 480 but I'm glad my card I'm still using is still better than integrated GR
given that it took about 2 node shrinks and 3 architecture updates to match an entry level card from 4+ years ago..I don't think the need for dedicated GPUs is going anywhere anytime soon.
atleast not until we get integrated GDDR/HBM and mainstream boards with Quad Channel RAM.
the rtx 2050 💀
It's a laptop exclusive
@@TheSlyWeeb oh eyah i forgot i did research after sending that message
I mean, it still takes a load off the CPU to have one now meaning you have more processing power for graphics and more processing power for the CPU stuff
I managed to get my old intel uhd graphics gpu on my laptop to run beamng, phasmophobia, minecraft, subnautica, satisfactory, and a shit ton of other games. And on medium settings mind you. (Managed to get at least 30 fps on everything except phasmophobia.)
Even with how crappy Intel's discreet A380M is compared to other discreet cards, it's still pretty amazing to see AMD have integrated graphics that are almost equal to a modern (but low end) discreet mobile card.
Tbh 1650, 2050 are not really that modern and we can argue if xx50 cards are even really anything more than budget entry cards,
We are still 3 generations behind and beating weakest cards really.
Being on par with 3070 this year would be revolution.
But they will never get to performance of medium cards :)
I've been hearing that integrated graphics are gonna beat GPUs since i was a kid, i don't doubt one day they will, but i question how affordable the ones that can actually exchange blows with mid level graphics cards are gonna be, i still get flashbacks to my awful dell laptop with integrated graphics.
that cpu temp issue is gonna be a big issue if they continue doing this, eventually theyre gona start shipping us car radiators too cool out cpus
Me running a 2060 for the last 4 - 5 years and hearing a 2050 get called lowend
Next gen AMD Strix Halo IGPU will be even as powerful as some low-end gaming laptop like RTX4060. Most multiplayer games like PUBG will run smoothy in 1440P.
Just to let everyone know...I can, surprisingly play Starfield with a radeon 680M. Yes, at 1080p with FSR3 and FG enabled, but still, it IS playable, in a laptop with an iGPU.
Great news for gaming handhelds
"baby games"
"League"
I mean
he's got a point.
Second laptop still cost like 350-600 dollars it's being replaced by compared to those new processors. And also i woe the day they go the apple integrated storage/asus ally unmoddable route.
Ive heard this "you don't need gpu" 5 years ago
Same thing was advertised with a10 and a12 amd 8 years ago. They got outcompeted by them not having acces to good memory speeds like dedicated gpu. Unless your system is will have ddr5 i don't think they will be that hot.
I can't wait for the amd halo strix apus
This is great news for the steam deck 2
I have integrated graphics in my laptop and I’m able to run Fortnite and Valorant at over 120-140 fps at 1080p and 120-144hz, the laptop is meant for school not for gaming btw
what laptop is it
The iPad Pro from 2018 was able to run Fortnite at 120 fps ...
@@user-qy2wf2lt6v yeah but mobile fortnite is insanely optimized
@@julek5570 Yeah! And now imagine how a 30w APU with cooling, form 2024 will fare against a 7w SoC from a2018, that is tightly pressed in a case that doesn't really allow for much cooling.
Just means the price is up front and not a choice if all board start doing this. Also means if the GPU dies you need a whole motherboard.
I still feel like they should make really powerful igpu😤(like in the Xbox and play station) and chuck then into a desktop cpu. They did it with consoles so why not just put them in computers🤷♂️
good after cable gate from Nvidia I haven't been able to recommend building a pc to anyone in this current market
I have been using mini PCs for like five yrs now and I game on them and they work great just make sure it's Ryzen and yur good to go
Yeah the 780m in these handhelds are awesome 👌
Now We can finally expect some price drop in GPUs
It would help if thier budget skew card weren't being made so slow with such a large gap between them. Like why is the 6500xt competing with the 1060 and 570, it should be competing with the 5600xt and 1660.
I'm sure they'll merge eventually, but until graphics memory is integrated into them (or we stop using pre-rendered textures)...they're going to remain a budget option. That slow, high latency ram on the motherboard is their achilles heel.
Apparently Strix point halo is getting a 256 bit (4 channel basically) bus which should give it relatively high bandwidth paired with the right RAM, still significantly less than GPU vram though
Thing is budget cards won't disappear coz not everyone will be able to afford these super expensive new CPUs
„Back in my days, one couldnt simply run Minecraft without a GPU“
Keeping the GPU because 1 they have wide fan cooling compared to the CPU, 2 GPU are there to assist and keep the cpu small, 3 until they start beating the most up and up cards no point (for most) 4 AI. 5 Anti AI
Sadly, instead of putting these apu's in cheaper thin and lights, they're gonna be putting them in high res ultra costly ones, many of them already having a dedicated gpu. That's usually what happens.
Well unfortunately the Ryzen apus stayed exact in performance from 1st to 5th gen until being worse in 7th gen so real apus people would buy outside of laptops are still terrible
2050... that ain't budget... that's obsolete.
Imagine having one giant block of computing power that is the cpu, gpu and ram
The ryzen 5600g is a good CPU for a budget build BC it has really good integrated graphics and even if U do get a GPU with it, it's still gonna be cheap and a good build
My intel cpu 2014 laptop mistakingly had a amd cpu that could run pretty much run every game from 2013 or older. But couldnt do anything else. Only found this out after getting a 2014 gaming laptop and thought it would be funny. Struggled with that laptop for 10 years. OvO
This thing beating my GTX 1650 is gonna get me biggest regret of my life
Couple of questions. With these new AI IGPUs, are you going to need to be connected to the internet for the IGPU to run? That is if they're not just slapping AI on it like everyone else now without it actually having it. I mean, without the internet, say like a bad storm that knocks out your internet (but not power), you wouldn't be able to use the IGPU other than what it was originally intended to do. Display the basic essentials. Also, how much are these things gonna cost when released? Because if there's a chance you can't make the best of it when the internet is out, is it worth a high price tag?
You and I have two VERY divergent interpretations of "need".
I still would prefer lower end GPUs but this is great. Just because a card is cool but also dedicated vram
Just as good as my 7900xtx
I bought a mini PC to watch movies, and just joking i installed Forza horizon 5 because i was sure the thing couldn't run it... But it did, low settings 90 FPS.
Since then, i use that mini PC to emulate retro games and play classic PC games on the TV. The thing has a Ryzen 7 5800H and the integrated GPU.
Its gonna be better than RTX 2050? Daaaaamn!
If the 780M match rx6400 in some games
Pretty sure this 890M can reach rx6500XT level of performance easily
When you can buy the best cpu with a good integrated gpu in it, pretty sure you will buy high end gpu as well. So it's kinda pointless, unless you're a budget gamer who's willing to pay extra for cpu and after a year of saving and playing on low/medium you buy 4090.
A 75$ Radeon 800 dedicated GPU would be elite
I hate to say it but I haven’t had a discrete graphics card in many years. No one in my family is into heavy game play on any computer in the house so an IGP does everything my family needs.
oh wow it beat some old graphic cards
Dang mabye I should just get a laptop with this processor
I can confirm that its entirely possible to play a bunch of games without a graphics card
they're not beating budget GPU's in price those, for the same price of those APUs alone you can get a decent CPU and GPU combo, like for the $330 a 8700G you can get an i3-12100F or a Ryzen 5 3600/5500 and and RX 6600 and outperform it by double the performance
15 years ago everyone swore APU were the future 😅😅😅 and here we are. The future is now! 😂