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Colt-Burgess 1883 Carbine
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- čas přidán 25. 11. 2014
- The 1883 Colt-Burgess was the Colt company's single, brief endeavor to enter the lever action "cowboy" rifle market. Winchester had been making some moves to break into Colt's lucrative shotgun and pistol markets, and Colt reacted by hiring noted gun designer Andrew Burgess to design them a rifle to compete with the Winchester 1873.
Only about 6400 of these were made (in both rifle and carbine configurations) before Colt and Winchester executives got together and negotiated a deal to stay out of each others' areas of specialty. As a result, Colt stopped manufacturing the 1883 Colt-Burgess rifle, and Winchester stopped developing (and importing) revolvers.
Because of its short production span, the Burgess remains a particularly rare lever action rifle today. For folks who are interested in shooting one without investing the money to own and original, reproductions are available today from Uberti.
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I’ve had one of those 6400 in my hands. Super smooth old gun. Many lever gun collectors didn’t even know what it was till they got to handle it. I’ve never seen another one. Thanks for the video.
Never knew that Winchester made a revolver or that Colt made a lever gun. Thanks Forgotten Weapons.
John Wizeman lol...I'm sure that's what he meant
Hugo Borchardt designed a range of revolvers for Winchester.
Winchester's decision not to put them into production was one reason Borchardt went home to Germany; to work on his idea for a semi-automatic pistol.
did he get it backwards a few times? i kept hearing colt would stay out of the pistol market and Winchester would stay out the leaver action market
At 5:21 you misspoke when you said Colt and Winchester came to an agreement that Colt would stick to rifles and Winchester would stick to revolvers. Vids are fantastic. I am a huge fan. Just a FYI.
Honest mistake.
Man I love your videos, especially the fact that you explain the history of the guns and their mechanisms, this is my favorite weapon's channel in youtube.
You mentioned Winchester supposedly wanting to import Webley Bulldogs to undercut Colt's revolver sales domestically. That would have been an interesting turn of events, as even though Colt was known for creating one of the earliest, successful mass-produced revolvers, they shut down their plant in Britain after Beaumont-Adams became such a rousing success in Britain and the colonies in the late 1850s and early 1860s.
It's arguable that the world capitol of revolver technology was not in Connecticut with Colt, but in London and Birmingham, where Beaumont and Webley were designing revolvers.
Great video, thoroughly enjoyed it.
Great videos love these short history lessons on these (forgotten weapons) firearms. I'm sure its cause of the weather but would like to see some more run and gun/ weapon vs weapon challenges
I like that loading gate. The Winchester loading gate chews up my thumb. Maybe I will look into getting one of the reproductions. With any luck, it will be popular enough to make it in a lot of different calibers.
Who clicks "Dislike" on an Ian McCollum Video? Honestly? This is the best stuff on CZcams.
0:32 A thing im not used to seeing is your hair not in a pony tail.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the COLT emblem on what is obviously a Winchester. I knew of the agreement between Colt and Winchester so I was completely taken aback until your explanation.
There was a guy in my Cowboy action shooting club who competed with two of these at monthly matches. The action was a bit slower than a ‘73, but he got huge style points!
Nice rifle!...Thanks for sharing Ian!..
You have a little mix-up at 5:22 Colt making rifles and Winchester making pistols?
Take it as proof that Ian is 100% human
A 92' Winchester carbine was a dream for me, but in 44 40 makes it perfect ! This rifle is really a rare forerunner.
Very interesting weapon, and story :) I would also be interested in seeing a video on one of those Winchester revolvers that were exported to Turkey, if you ever get your hands on one ;)
was that a helicopter flying nearby or was someone getting there Apocalypse Now fix in for the month?
Sounding like a Chinook
Very cool. Never heard of that rifle. Can you shed any light on Remington's and Smith & Wesson's position in the market in comparison to Winchester and Colt during this same period?
I have recently been watching the old tv series late 50's early 60's "Have Gun Will Travel" via the internet, the star of the series was Richard Boone, in the series he uses a lever action rifle that looks likes a short Winchester lever action rifle, can you tell me anything about the rifle?
Also another actor in the show is using a rifle with a longish revolver cylinder for the mag., I would guess it was a Colt revolving rifle, the rifle stock was not removable.
Could you tell us about revolving cylinder rifles?
Thank you.
Hey Ian, I would like you to consider making a video on the topic of "Lever-action vs Bolt-action". They appeared at roughly the same time, yet no military (except the Russians for cavalry?) adopted a lever action service rifle. You could talk about the pros and cons of both mechanisms.
I have an Italian made Burgess reproduction rifle, and it's a real nice gun.
Who made it?
@@ScottKenny1978; Uberti .
@@oldgysgt sweet, thanks!
HOLY SHIT IT'S JESUS BEHIND A TABLE WITH A FIREARM!! MY PRIEST IS GONNA SHIT!
I am a little surprised colt didn't do this one in .45 colt.
+Gun Sense (drmaudio) What I have read, is that the original balloon head brass on 45 colt ammo was too weak and the rim to small to reliably extract in a lever action.
+S Giggles I see. Thank you.
WoaW 10K that is one expensive lever action rifle. I mean i know it was a limited made, and a antique by now but still, that a heavy pricetag.
after seeing the Burgess folding shotgun, I gotta admit I got myself a little bit too excited when I saw the name and thought this Carbine was gonna do some wild extra stuff, but thats on me ^^;
Nice guns this round at RIA.
How does this video only have 62k views!!
I'm 100% sure that I saw one of these at my local gun store for around 2000USD.
Will take a look tomorrow, could be sweet to have one of them :)
Yes it would be and worth every penny too!
TheRealColBosch It was an original Colt-Burgess 1883 they had for 2k, but someone else bought her just two hours before I got to the store. :(
The wildest thing I'm taking away from this video is the use of CT to abbreviate Connecticut. Into the 80s and even 90s the abbreviation used was Conn. even after the prevalence of the two letter state code Connecticut and Pennsylvania among others were still referred to by their four letter abbreviation. It's weird to see CT used so long ago.
I would love too see you cover any firm arm that uses a needle instead of a hammer. Have only seen them in books and would love to see how they work in person. Also another fantastic video. Alongside all the cool gun matchs you do thw RIA series of videos have to be my favorite.
More specifically a Dreyse, I can't edit comments since I am on my phone.
BurnThePope0514
I will be doing videos on the Dreyse and Chassepot both, eventually.
Forgotten Weapons that is great to hear, I will patiently wait, or not so much, haha. Thanks for the reply!
P.S., you said, "That Colt would stick to making rifles and Winchester would stick to making pistols,,,"
5:20 I really don't understand why people take such bad views on agreements between companies. Does it result in less options in the consumer market? Yes, yes it does. But I honestly don't see what's so bad about them not fighting in both markets. If they had, there runs a risk of one running the other out of business entirely and then one basically has a monopoly on the firearms industry.
Кольт - Бёрджесс хорошая машинка, но вот патроны можно бы было и помощнее использовать типа .45-70 ;.45-90; .410x50; .410x61; .500-350(450); его система запирания затвора позволяет использовать мощные патроны, чтобы гильза была до 61 мм., чтобы можно было стрелять и дробью, нарезка ствола должна быть полигональная, выброс гильзы, патрона должен быть с правого бока как у Марлина, чтобы можно было посавить оптику, да и окно приёмника патронов лучше на пластинчатой пружине как у винчестера и марлина. Вот тогда я б с удовольствием приобрёл бы себе такую винтовку. Но никто таких винтовок не производит, а жаль.
полигональная, выброс гильзы ( патрона ) не вверх, а в право в бок, как у марлина, это даёт возможность использовать оптический прицел, окно снаряжения патронов как у винчестеров- пластинчатая пружина, ну и ещё кое какие доработки по коробке, и будет отличная машинка. Теперь вопрос к спецам знающим отлично английский язык; кто может перевести данный текст о Кольт-Бёрджессе? Будь ласка допоможить перевести.
What are the chances of you doing a review of the Winchester Revolver? I remember seeing a factory prototype in a gun book many years ago, but had no idea that they had produced them for export. Thanks for the awesome review.
If I ever find one, I definitely will - but I think it's a long shot that I'll find one.
Does anyone have an idea about what happened to the ones exported?
Forgotten Weapons Ian, I think you got a little mixed up at 5:19. :) Love the video/channel, keep up the good work!
You should do a video about winchester revolvers
All these years I have been pronouncing the name Bur-Gess,,,,,
NOw I need to see the Remington revolver bought by the Turkish army.
What's that noise in the background?
Okay. I need to know more about this Turkish contract Winchester revolver. Was it actually built? Or did the contract end up going to Smith and Wesson.
@1:48 Is a Chinook circling outside ?
What is the difference between a rifle and a carbine?
+wolfmatic Barrel length.
+wolfmatic Generally speaking a carbine is a shortened version of an existing rifle. But, "carbine" is more loosely applied to any rifle or pistol caliber shoulder fired firearm that falls in between a full length rifle and a submachine gun in terms of size.
didn't Burgess help/or develop the Mannlicher rifles?
I think I've heard/read that somewhere too, so now we both await a answer, haha.
Ты лучше бы показал систему запирания затвора, подачу патронов в патронник, то есть работу механизма, а трепать языком вообще о карабине- так эта информация и так имеется. Ты показывай различие и принцип работы механизма, систему запирания и технические данные, вот это стоящая информация.
So kinda like Hienz mustard, and French's ketchup
Just an uneducated guessetment..., but that Colt probably went for 30K...I would think...?
$10,350
2nd viewer? WoW,,, feel like I won the lottery.
Well you didn't. But you did come second!!!! You win a comment from me!... also cool gun.
5:30 ... you said it backwards.
4 scotch lunch.
2 points after watching this Ian. You goofed up twice I think. Once saying other than the loading gate there was no difference in the weapon compared to the Winchester when in reality it had a toggle action which was Stronger then the Winchester. And then after that you said the Winchester company went back to making revolvers and the Colt company went back to making rifles. That was just a little dyslexic mistake. But if you do taking the gun apart like you normally to show how things work you would have noticed a big difference inside I believe. The toggle action is pretty interesting. I love catching Ian in a mess up :-) doesn't happen too often. Cuz he usually does his homework
Great gun and great presentation. Cool guy, but he needs a haircut.
i didnt know jesus liked guns
colt burger
I swear, your hair gets longer with every one...
***** That.... makes an embarrassing amount of sense!
its pronounced BUR GESS..... not bure gayes lol how dare you insult my family name ! :P
Болтовня твоя мало интересна, ты лучше возьми отвёртку открой коробку и покажи работу затвора, в чём разница запирания винчестера и Бёрджесс, а так же Стивенса и Кеннеди. Вот тогда это будет настоящий обзор, а не болтовня!