Speaking in the language of YouTube | Ash Sarkar Meets ContraPoints
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- Natalie Wynn aka ContraPoints has spent several years crafting one of the smartest, most entertaining and beautiful channels CZcams has to offer. Her work is a political counterbalance to the forces of reaction so dominant online and a gasp of oxygen on a website awash with mediocrity. Ash caught up with Natalie over a humble Google Hangout to discuss the 'dark enlightenment', subverting the aesthetics of the alt-right, TERFs and how The Picture of Dorian Gray is actually secretly all about syphilis.
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We'd love to hear suggestions of who else you think we should interview. x
Interview shaun next please!
Destiny (Steven Bonnell)
Ollie from Philosophy Tube
Someone from zero books? It is a publisher, but their CZcams channel is interesting in itself.
Shaun, NonCompete, Three Arrows, Thought Slime, Peter Coffin, Angie Speaks, Mexie, Chrisiousity, The Serfs... Probably NonCompete, though. Tons of relevant stuff re stochastic terrorism, good praxis, community organising...
"Avengers Infinity wars is the most ambitious crossover of all time"
Ash: "Hold my sickle"
Amy Falconer old meme but a good meme
*Our sickle
Novara Media has fully completed the Holy trinity of breadtube. I appreciate this.
Three Arrows, Peter Coffin, Kevin Logan?
@@NathanAFolefac don't forget NonCompete as well.
@@thesupremecatlord3188 and shaun the skull
@@nathandrake5544 I feel like if we say the biggest 3 then that's hbomb, Natalie and philosophytube who are near 300k+ subscribers . Then the biggest are Peter coffin, three arrows and shaun. Who are between 150-250k
And then most of the others have less then 100k.
Bet this wins Novara a few well deserved subs too.
I'm currently writing my masters thesis on the alt-right's use of humour as a means by which to set narratives, win debates and deflect legitimate scrutiny.
Video essays and interviews like this are forming the bulk of my references, as I believe they're a chronically under-utilised source within academia.
Thankyou so much for putting out content like this. These conversations are so valuable, and so necessary
I would love to read your thesis.
danny dizzy me too! It sounds so interesting
Wow! Good on you. Your work is so absolutely necessary too. Wish we could share in your findings once you are done. All the best of luck.
If your thesis becomes available to read I would like to read it
Ash and Natalie talking CZcams politics: Video Goals.
What is Ash Sarkar's ethnicity, and is her ethnic homeland as racially diverse as the U.K? If not, why not?
@@theamericantraditionalist8498 Did you mean to reply to someone else or are the just the type of lunatic who spams this comment on any Sarkar video?
I'll guess the latter..
@itismeitisi thanks for proving that the diversity agenda is purely about replacing white people in their own ancestral homelands, meanwhile, this agenda isn't being pushed anywhere else in the world.
He's just another pitiful whiner, itismeitisi.
Great to see how afraid he is, though!
Fascism: the ideology of being afraid and abject failure.
@@theamericantraditionalist8498
You have summoned the Dark Mother. You have Power. I shall sub for you.
Kinky.
You have earned me as a subscriber by getting Contra.
Yes!
Well hell yeah. I wasn't expecting this video collaboration at all but I'm quite jazzed about it. Thank you!
I’m very glad that the girl who exclaimed “I am a literal communist!” At Piers Morgan popped up in my suggest videos, plus she’s interviewing ContraPoints! Excellent!
(Piers Morgan is such a tool)
The Mycroft Stepping out of the EU now ist wrong
@Bobby Sternlicht communism has a definition and i dont think its bad in " a literal sense" like u say. a classless society sure sounds great
@Bobby Sternlicht Are you aware that Communism isn't about sacrificing Capitalists to the Gulag?
Thanks, Ash for the introduction, what a wonderful human being.
She saids its okay to comitt politics violence. Why is she wonderful?
@@desnebula5699 All politics is violent; it's merely a question of to whom the violence is being done.
BC she doesn't have a UK flag avatar or ask bad faith questions. 💋
My two favourite LeftTube queens 🙏
Love you Natalie. Our dark princess of philosophy. 🖤 Love you too Ash. 💖 🤪 Such a great interview! 💋🔥
Indeed 😍 She is as beautiful as she is clever 💞 Natalie for PM!! ❤
Contra is a gaslighter extraordinaire. Google nykytyne2.
@@es8059 No, bullshit, even if true who TF cares tho.
@@_frangipani_ Um anybody who sees safeguards for girls and women being eroded a bad thing. Natalie demands people believe that anybody like him who "performs" womanhood be legally recognized as a woman. Any man can now claim to be a "woman" and access prisons and shelters that used to house women only. That is dangerous and insulting AF to women.
Please do something Contra couldn't - provide a definition of "woman" that doesn't descend into self-referencing (i.e., a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman) or refer to a nebulous feeling inside a man's head or some meaningless set of sexual stereotypes. I'll wait.
And FYI I'm a member of LGBT who thought I had to transition. I fully understand dysphoria.
@@es8059 Yeah nah sorry m8 but that is Terf logic.
A fellow TYT member recommended this interview because I was raving about ContraPoints' work on the TYT boards. Terrific discussion and so glad that I was directed to your channel. Subscribed!
I loved this! I'm also so jealous of Ash's vocabulary. Maybe it's normal in the UK, but I know of literally no one in the US who's as eloquent, except maybe poets.
Really? I've always been shocked by how wide American children's vocabularies appear to be.
I came for Contrapoints but I am now subscribed. Amazing video!
15:26 Ash and Natalie discuss a fundamental problem with identity politics: various communities are being essentialized in terms of their interests for the benefit of wealthy constituents of those identity groups.
Inquisitor
Absolutely. And that extends past identity politics. It’s generally systemic. A way to keep the masses fighting amongst each other so the wealthy and powerful stay where they are.
@@navi6981 Yes, right-wing populism and identity politics are two sides of the same coin. As long as politics is about abstract concepts like identity, the status quo will remain: the wealthy will continue to profit off conflicts between primarily imagined communities. We need to mobilize on lines of material inequality and fight for changes that raise the masses up.
Natalie looks extra pretty today. Ffs success
Instead of Dark Enlightenment can we please call it the "Endarkenment"?
Endorkenment
Was not expecting this but I am absolutely loving this. Y'all are awesome!
HBomberguy, Philosophy Tube, and now Contrapoints within a month. Novara definitely just discovered leftube lol. I love it. Hopefully they can collaborate further because this is like an all time great crossover
Beyond excited to watch this!!! 💖
THank u Contra for helping me find this channel!! So good to see a channel from a person in the UK :)
I love the whole interview; the questions and banter were all poignant and entertaining. Well done to both Ash and Natalie ~
Love contrapoints😭❤️❤️❤️😭
Liked before I ever watched it.
Annoyed Dave that’s what people on the right do on Ben Shapiro videos
I’m trying to pay attention, I swear, but I’m so distracted by Contrapoints’ room.
I want it. So. Badly.
Does she have a red light in her window? That usually means a house of whoredom, I thought.
@@legalvampire8136 I think it's more pink
Ash is such a great interviewer, so focused and casual at the same time.
I adore this intelligent conversation between two of my face outspoken women 💕💕
Yay ! Ash and Contra !🙆
"you can't start at the conculsion, and assume everyone gets it. You have to get there"
Well done interview and good questions!
natalie wynn on novara media *yay* ty
Hbomberguy, then Philosophytube, and now Contra?! Yesssss
These are the only 3 leftubers we have; may they reign forever.
Still think Hbomberguy is a real wanker.
They still need to do shaun.
HBomberguy is just pathetic, ContraPoints is fine.
@@gabrielfraser2109 He's just a fucking rat look at him.
cracking convo, good content, i could have kept listening for another hour
Thanks for this. Very enjoyable exchange. Really a fan of both these ladies.
double dose of the breadpill this morning.
Contrapoints = insta like. I have huge respect for this figure of the Internet.
great nuance and many good points made here. thx for opening up the conversation!
Wonderful interview, Ash. And Natalie always has a sparkling personality. So, you've already interviewed Ollie and H Bomb, will Shaun be next?
really great interview. you both are so well spoken.
Oh man. I'm only a minute into this video and I know this is going to be sooooo good!
Ash Sarkar, you alleviate my loneliness. That's exactly what you do. Can't emphasise enough what a good thing that is and how much it means to me. Enjoyed this - didn't know about ContraPoints - so thanks for the introduction.
The perfect crossover doesn't exi-
Ahhhhh love your content Ash! love that you got Natalie! Big fan for a while now.
Ash interviewing Breadtube-a late but welcome birthday present ! 💜
Happy birthday.
Thank you for this.
excellent mashup. two brilliant and excellent speakers
Great discussion!
great conversation! thank you
I keep saying that people online that hate social justice have become the bullies and mean popular girls that likely picked on them in high school. Not one of them has proven me wrong.
Loved this! 💚❤
I'm crying! I love you both! Besos!
Y Besos A Ti Tambien. 💜
Loved Ash Sarkar, she was awesome. Very amazing and super interesting interview! Loved it and subrscribed.
This is my first video on your channel. Subscribed. Very intelligent interview with in depth questions. Thank you very much! Kind regards!
Kat Blaque recommended you!
im so mad that this didn't show up in my suggestion box!! best collaboration possible
PS: interview AngieSpeaks! she makes videos about anticapitalism and spirituality/mysticism, and I'm pretty sure she's London based!
I've had this sitting in my watch later list for a while. It was delightful! The optimism bit is a little hard to get behind, though, all these years later.
This is the kind of discourse that I like to see. Prominent leftist figures talking about shit. Not to hold anyone up on a pedestal or anything, but personality does wonders for any movement.
why have you gifted me this perfect thing
Natalie makes a great point there at the 39:30. I distinctly remember YT comment sections being a *completely* irredeemable cesspool of immature garbage not very long ago. The mantra was nothing good could ever come from scrolling down on any given CZcams video. That still applies on mainstream high-volume channels, but at least in breadtube circles that has changed for the better.
YT comments are still a terrible forum for discourse, but at least the comments themselves have improved.
Well, I'll never get into ketosis after this. Great work, both of you
Natalie is brilliant
"There's only one white kid in a school in Leicester" Welp, Ash just identified me
There is nothing new about radical feminists teaming up with evangelical right-wing Christians. In the 80s, it was over issues around porn and sex workers. They were TERFS and anti-BDSM, and a lot of other stuff. Perhaps they thought that these were issues that they could win on. But they didn't, and sex-positive feminism won, and will again.
@@lutherblissett9070 I was just talking about an internal squabble within feminism that has been going on for a while now, referenced in the interview. I wasn't talking about Fascists at all. I am not complacent on that topic at all.
@@lutherblissett9070 I think being positive about Terfs having a fundamentally unsustainable position is fair enough.
Regarding more general complacency, of course we shouldn't be complacent about fascism and the state of the Left since the 70s, but there are also things to be very positive about with socialism making big gains in terms of mainstream discourse and popularity.
Alexis B
Buffalo Bill was turned down for transgender survey its stated in both the film and the book the screening picked up he wasn't a real transexual.
@Alexis B. 'They'? You sound like an anti-sjw edgelord taking some random teen's tweets and extrapolating from that that all feminists are insane and evil. Listen to your bigoted self, and listen to the actual trans community. And all the non-terf feminists.
@Alexis B. I presume you have stats to back that up?
Wow Natalie looks amazing!!! And ofcourse, great interview ♡
I see some nice Verso books on that shelf!
Wow - two of my favourite youtubers and I only found this now???
wow literally my two heroes!!
Can’t believe I missed this! My two favourite political speakers
What a complete pleasure.
The most ambitious crossover of the decade.
Top 10 Anime Crossovers of all time.
Or top 10 superhero crossovers of all time!
Genuinely looking forward to the death of these dull Anime comments.
Ahhhhhh I’m so in love with both of them!
@8:20 I’d think about this part of the history a little differently. Part of social justice CZcams *did* speak the language of CZcams prior to ContraPoints. I mean, go watch old Riley Dennis, Kat Blaque, ____ Green, and marinashutup videos.
The thing is, they did it in a way that mainly appealed to young women’s sensibilities, which is and was great by itself. *But* it didn’t attract the cis het white edgelord crowd, except as harassers of said video makers. Then Natalie came in and, whatever your opinion, made stuff appealing to *that* crowd’s sensibilities. I hate when people diminish the former approach over the later.
So it was an aesthetic change made target a different audience. I’m glad things have come full circle now with her having a more balanced audience.
My talent meter just exploded.Fantastic video...2 of my faves.
For the syphilis theory: Doktor Faustus by Thomas Mann. Ironically, that and The Picture of Dorian Gray are my favourite books. (But.....I am not sure about the predominance of syphilis in the meaning of Dorian Gray especially given the original, shorter version.)
Excellent interview. Want to say, there's a lot of overlap in needs for women, both with and without a uterus. Especially in terms of rights and healthcare. When women start losing healthcare and rights it impacts all people society perceives as women or woman-like, including nonbinary people like myself, because the cutbacks don't just focus on uterus things. Our fates our tied.
I love this :)
You remind me so much of Dodie (doddleoddle) with your mannerisms, voice, personality etc Loved this video
Brilliant
yay
An interview with Angie Speaks next please!!
ContraPoints is great, The debate Natalie did with Blaire White was really interesting and is well worth checking out, As part of the "Speaking in the language of CZcams" series you should try to interview Destiny (Steven Bonnell)
Yeah, but he's not getting on the "the left" side's points with honesty
(See Vaush's recent video)
@@nr0802 Wasn't Vaush kicked out of Destiny's community for creeping? his video just seemed bitter, The debates i have seen Destiny tends to argue from a left to centre-left stance. but he is still a biggish name and would be a good interview. I'm sure Ash, Aaron, Michael or whomever was interviewing him would be able to pull him up on any points,
@@riot24 I agree(d) with you about him as a guest.
I'll gladly watch that.
And as far as the Vaush go, I don't have an opinion about kicked out part (didn't watch video he said is about that, one you probably are thinking about?)
I'm referring to actual things Destiny said about left (Vaush did response to) and the attitude towards understanding arguments coming from left...
@@nr0802 yeah he got kicked out for harassing a female in the community, i saw the video and tweets Vaush was talking about, the tweets where mixed with views and sarcasm, from what i have seen Destiny gets annoyed when people attack his views then cant form their own arguments and just say read this book to understand (which is what he was saying the problem with the left is). That is also what alot of his viewers where doing on the night that video Vaush used comes from.
@@riot24
Again,
I was referring *only* to Destiny's "arguments" as those were dismissive.
(I only mentioned Vaush because there is where I ran into Destiny most recently, because I'm not following him anywhere on sm, and Vaush did offer good rebuttal imo)
Do you really think suggesting a book is bad idea?
And that it indicates inability to form an argument?
I don't think so, that doesn't make sense.
YAAAAAAAASSSS!
Your hot take on Dorian Gray is spot on and makes me miss studying English lit at my university
Yes, they could have taken that much further. I have often questioned the morality of other writers of the time. eg. Jack London and Joseph Conrad who are both considered to be liberals. It makes you wonder...
mark fisher said basically this in like 2013 with the vampire castle essay/article. twitter storms and "cancelations", liberal obsession with minutiae in *individual* behaviour and so on. he got a lot of shit for it, but he was right.
Nice one Ash, Contra
Omg contra looks so beautiful
This was such a great chat, illuminating! Yay, excited to see a fellow South Asian here on the left 🔥🔥🔥 I am very proud haha! 👏🏾
I would love to see a chat with you and Angie Speaks here on youtube, she's a total badass!! Her channel is an absolute unique gem--she talks about spirituality, psychology, mental health, culture and art, as it is inherently counter to Capitalism and the governmental systems in their current status quo form. That's stuff often overlooked in online Leftist discourse, not to mention in the day to day life of many Leftists.
Two of my favorite ladies 😍😍😍
3:50 - I agree with that; the coolness of new conservatism has passed.
Everytime I hear the phrase "dark enlightenment" I think of the painting "La fee ignorante" by Magritte, which I think is a brilliant visual metaphor of the movement.
Damn Contra looks pretty these days
contra looking sooooo pretty in this vid 😍
the bland enlightenment
I disagree on the point that Benny is not a fascist. He's absolutely a fascist when it comes to the Israeli Occupation of Palestine.
Ohmygodohmygodohmygod yes!!!
10:45 to be fair, "how can I make this entertaining" is a pretty good question to ask yourself when preparing a lesson even in an education setting
1:39 I am already here for this shade.
This discussion is fucking awesome
Great ✨