Outdated firmware in 99% of cases is only useful for hands on exploitation, e.g. I have your machine physically. Remote intrusion due to outdated firmware on a up-to-date Linux install is highly highly unlikely. I wouldn’t be worried about it.
Another thing is, the exploits you hear of on Linux that are done are targeted at servers, in other words where you already have an account for running / managing your instance on a cloud server with a lot of other customers running. Exploiting towards the desktop isn't that common, as the costs of finding, exploiting and the gain of targeting older hardware via Linux is so small. It is like spending 100 dollars to earn 1 cent, you are throwing away your money, while doing it on a cloud server, you spend 100 dollars, but you get back 100000 dollars, making it a worthwhile "investment" So I wouldn't be worried about running unpatched Linux desktop hardware, if I was a cloud server selling capacity to customers, it is a whole different ballgame.
@@CMDRSweeper So... you are admin - where you gonna apply your skills, and where are your lab would be? On a production like yesterdays crowdstrike driver patch? If you will learn bad habbits, then you're gonna suffer BIG later in real world... ;-)
@@CMDRSweeper There a two things you should ALWAYS keep up to date on a daily driver, Web-Browsers and your OS. There is no excuse to not do it unless its air-gapped. If you don't do that, sooner or later you'll find yourself being part of a botnet.
@@seedney I am not an admin, nor have I claimed to be one that I can see? But, I have friends and others that do work in that field, so that is as close as I am to it. As for blanketly applying stuff because it is "more secure", the general advice that I have gotten and that I hear preached is, that gets you nowhere. You have to make a threat model, Who can attack your "fortress", why are they attacking your "fortress" and then build your security around that. Can there be holes in your threat model that you discover later? Of course, that is when you need to go back and amend it. But the general trend is, if your "fortress" is not a straw hut, and you have zero valuables in it, and an attacker has to spend time = money to pull off an attack where they get nothing of value in return, you are not a valid target anymore. @owlmostdead9492 But by the time your outdated web browser becomes a problem it most likely won't matter much anyway, as browsing the web normally becomes impossible due to the nature of the modern web, your browser either just stops and the button on the webpage does nothing or if you try to go on Google with a browser on Win95, it just flat out crashes. I still wouldn't consider hardware features as something you must update to have as Trafotin says.
So... Vendors always tell us something was broken... I updated and they're broke more then they've fixed.... And more security holes also...- How whould I know if update isn't malicious?
Energy efficiency only contributes to a small percentage of carbon emissions over the lifetime of a end user device. Most of the emissions come from the manufacturing process and disposal. It's still a better option for casual users. Realistically the human cost of maintaining legacy hardware will be there regardless. It's unlikely we'll manage to end poverty globally during our lifetime. Hence legacy hardware is here to stay anyway. The only trade-off here is cost vs security. OpenGL compatibility is important to mention but won't affect the decision to buy legacy hardware
Sure, not updated firmware can theoretically pose a security risk. But has anybody ever actually been exploited by that stuff? I think the number of times such attacks were actually performed are extremely low, and that other attack vektors are way more dangerous.
3:50 It was outdated at the conveyor belt and still they selling it. Outdating is not about date of manufacture, its about use cases. If it is still useful - it's not outdated.
For lowEnd/Old computers never ever install Gnome or KDE their newer version are overkill, XFCE are barely the limit for these computers, you should considering LXDE as starting point (I install it recently on Pentium 4/ 256MB RAM) old Computer and works nice, and I run it with latest version of Debian 32 bit.
There is a misconception that mostly newcomers to Linux tend to make, which is that Linux is designed for old hardware. This is not the case, if you want to get all of its features and keep a better workflow you will need newer, more robust hardware. It does have tweaks and distros that will run on old hardware, but this is only with the idea of repurposing that old PC probably as a media center or text editor. If you really don't see any use case for an old PC, it's probably because its hardware it's just too old, no OS can save that.
При переходе на новые технологии некоторые (возможно большинство), не задумываются об оптимизации. Из-за этого возникает ситуация, вроде у тебя современная техника, а прога клешнеруких виснит из-за 1000+ прослоек которое нужно пройти данным для получения результата...
Let's understand something about technology that a lot of people fail to understand, but a lot of enthusiasts in the vintage computing space will address; a computer should be seen as a device which functions with software of its era. Sure, Linux can drag older machines kicking and screaming into modernity, and it's fun to push the envelope with them, but if the machine struggled to run Half-Life 2 back in its day, it'll _still_ struggle doing it today, and be good for what it was good for. The _one_ saving grace that stops these machines from being corpses _is_ the fact all hardware can be given a second, alternative use. If the machine is not too old, but can't run Windows 11 and there is no interest in Linux for general computing, it can _still_ become; a NAS, a games server, a network bridge, a streaming content ingest, or _whatever else_ you can possibly conceive in your mind, and used beyond your wildest imagination. If it's older-than-dirt, then _I guess_ if it runs a web browser okay, have it be used for guests or donate the hardware where the internals can be re-used for something else, such as a web kiosk. And if it's somewhere in the middle, they can still be fantastic education machines for children, a cheap way into software development for endeavouring persons in need of a new skill or a half-decent office machine in a work setting. Ultimately, how a machine is used (or re-used) is entirely up to however much money is going to be spent for it, or however much effort you are willing to fetch ancient hardware fit for re-purposing inside an older machine for cheap. Old machines aren't _no_ good, they're good as the day they were built. It's just a matter of where your imagination can take it, while respecting its limitations. _Quick edit about the power efficiency thing_ - depending on the form factor, you can replace the PSU! Maybe not for a laptop, but for TFX and ATX you can often find aftermarket supplies fit for your needs, and as mentioned in the video _extenuating circumstances_ may make it cheaper to maintain what we have in the short-term, so that work can be done to gain new hardware in the long-term. But if the "Work" doesn't require strict time sensitivity, there's no reason to _not_ use whatever's on-hand to get a job done.
i had this discussion once on the Suse discord. i asked if it would be possible for Aeon (there immutable version) to get Legacy Bios support. they told me no and a very good reason as to why the no was given was something along the lines of "until what point do we need to support old hardware?"
Your gaming "assessment" was misleading and unfair to Linux. No testing was done in Windows at all, so how do we know it's a Linux issue and not a low-spec hardware issue? And yet, you chose to pin all of the horrible performance on Linux itself.
@@Trafotin The games you showed specifically mention support for the Core 2 Duo. CPUs of that era lacked integrated graphics, and it was common for the motherboard to supply those graphics or use a dedicated GPU. I would think you'd have checked this out beforehand when looking at the system requirements of each game. Especially when each game has specified graphics requirements that you seemed to have ignored.
I completely disagree. Making a new device and properly disposing of an old one takes a lot more resources than the power the old computer will use. The old computer will still have a majority of security features of the new one if you install a modern os and modern software: ASLR, stack canaries, containerization / sandboxing... It won't have encrypted virtual memory sandbox (what Windows call VBS) but it will still be much better than running old obsolete and insecure software. The best reason to buy new hardware is to get much better performance and that few newer security features, but let's not pretend that it's for the environment. Your remark regarding HDMI and DisplayPort is completely off. DisplayPort 1.1 that your computer has is fine outputting 1440p60 or 4k30 - same as 4 year old Intel's 10th generation Core i laptop with HDMI 1.4.
I still have an Intel Core Duo sitting in the other room; wife used to use it; she thought it worked fine as she's never in a rush. I replaced it by giving her an 8C/16T mini-pc.
"You will live John Constantine...You. Will. Live." Is what I told my old 2014 HP laptop. It lives on. That being said...I would mind moving up to an 8th-10th gen intel laptop.
I did put Puppy Linux on a old nuc. It worked surprisingly. I don't use the nuc for anything but I found it in an old box and it just seemed like the right thing to do in the moment. So I did it and afterwards I felt as if I accomplished something....I'm just not sure what. Whatever
strangely enough , powerPC raptor blackbird systems exist , open hardware open firmware with no binary blobs etc.. , It feel quite comfortable and modern to me. 18 cores, with 22 core on back-order
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed runs great on my 2011 HP 8200 Elite SFF with a 1050 ti, 20 GB of RAM, and an i5-2400, including with Wayland on the 555 Nvidia driver. It's not my main machine but sadly my Acer Nitro 5 which is a whole decade newer gets static shutdowns when I use Linux on it so I have to perform a power drain, especially on the Windows SSD but the second instance was so bad that the laptop would even hard shutdown on the Linux SSD. For that reason, the laptop runs Windows 11 and the old desktop runs Linux. I am very excited to build a beefy new AMD system and put Linux on that.
Yeah, SUSE devs are talking about super low end stuff and small code that nobody touches. . I installed SUSE on a spare drive on that thing and it works mostly okay. The issue it causes is the dev cost of maintaining lower end hardware.
The performance problem is because wayland, I I tried wayland on an HP ProDesk 400 g1 sff with a intel core i3-4130 and 4 gb of ram, the performance in general was bad. X11 (Xorg), on the other hand let me use that computer like it was in the launch day. Also, Desktops Environment like KDE plasma or Gnome are too much for these computers, especially if there is no graphics card, the recomendation is lxqt or a tiling window manager with X11. Other than that, I really liked your video, I never think about these points and I think is very important to know this information.
I understand your reasonings, but I do think using an older computer is great for the environment, as computers that are thrown out end up giving toxic chemicals to the ground, which can be harmful the environment. And maybe an old PC isn’t the best for gaming, but you can still play lighter & older games and stream any game from a powerful PC. In addition, using Linux Distros like Debian is a better choice for older computers as opposed to more power-hungry Distros like Ubuntu. I use Debian on my 2007 Optiplex 745, and using the power of the LXQT Desktop, it runs really well! Not only is using older computers great for the environment and other common reasons, but I find them a lot of fun to use too!
Old hardware is not supposed to run new software. They are good for old software, like old games, emulation, or as a media servier like PiHole or Plex (minus the hardware transcoding).
Also firmware is not the lowest level. Firmware, even coreboot, still contains blobs, which may not even be updated in an up-to-date firmware. yeah, fuck proprietary Hardware...
BUT an Appropriately old or older Windows version configured well WILL XD! After all that's where you REALLY have hardware, software support, games, and options and custom isos galore to REALLY get the performance out of it. Running the newest OS It can run is what will show its age and odds are you were ever only running a standard and not optimized version. And odds are it can probably run something older than what it came from if you want too Catch is you'd have to manually patch exploitable methods (research and do that if you want it online), and use 3rd party software (possibly with outdated versions), or just keep it offline While linux has alternatives to SOME windows has MANY MORE 3rd party alternatives.
@@VolpeJosesk No it doesn't, it gives new life to old hardware and can teach better sophistication and management of it rather than the simplistic and stupid means of "new=better" which it doesn't always.
@@VolpeJoseskit is technically just ANOTHER means to think and deal with it, NOT breaking the point. I see FAR MORE accounts of linux getting hacked and gaining root access than administrator access to windows. Windows if well managed and extra precautions taken is more secure due to more option. L:inux is security through obscurity. And oh that major downage? While it AFFECTED windows systems was actually exploited THROUGH a LINUX component of window (remember Windows is now TECHNICALLY in the linux family since windows 10) That means Linux is TECHNICALLY making Windows less secure through compatibility with its own ever growing lists of vulnerabilities
RAM is so cheap today. I think you should consider opening your device up for a simple upgrade. Ubuntu still runs much lower RAM than Win10 or 11 but Debian is also a flexible and stable choice for a low spec system.
Let people use what they want. It's software not gang colours. Also telling people who don't know arch to use arch is a horrible idea. "Advice" like that is why newcomers get overwhelemed and why the Linux community will never be socially aceptable to be apart of.
Arch will not install properly because the version of UEFI on the HP Compaq 8000 is that old. Fedora doesn't work either. It was a tossup between openSUSE Tumbleweed and Ubuntu and I happened to choose Ubuntu.
Man, id think a game like psychonauts would work fine on a 2013 computer i guess im wrong, likely cus it running internal graphics or just a really bad graphics card made just for displaying office apps and not gaming at all.... I feel modern and future interal graphics are becoming much more capable now thanks to AMDs apu chips theyre now making which has the power of a decent low end graphics card nowadays which would be fine for older game titles like this for sure.
Outdated firmware in 99% of cases is only useful for hands on exploitation, e.g. I have your machine physically. Remote intrusion due to outdated firmware on a up-to-date Linux install is highly highly unlikely. I wouldn’t be worried about it.
Another thing is, the exploits you hear of on Linux that are done are targeted at servers, in other words where you already have an account for running / managing your instance on a cloud server with a lot of other customers running.
Exploiting towards the desktop isn't that common, as the costs of finding, exploiting and the gain of targeting older hardware via Linux is so small.
It is like spending 100 dollars to earn 1 cent, you are throwing away your money, while doing it on a cloud server, you spend 100 dollars, but you get back 100000 dollars, making it a worthwhile "investment"
So I wouldn't be worried about running unpatched Linux desktop hardware, if I was a cloud server selling capacity to customers, it is a whole different ballgame.
@@CMDRSweeper So... you are admin - where you gonna apply your skills, and where are your lab would be? On a production like yesterdays crowdstrike driver patch? If you will learn bad habbits, then you're gonna suffer BIG later in real world... ;-)
@@CMDRSweeper There a two things you should ALWAYS keep up to date on a daily driver, Web-Browsers and your OS. There is no excuse to not do it unless its air-gapped. If you don't do that, sooner or later you'll find yourself being part of a botnet.
@@seedney I am not an admin, nor have I claimed to be one that I can see?
But, I have friends and others that do work in that field, so that is as close as I am to it.
As for blanketly applying stuff because it is "more secure", the general advice that I have gotten and that I hear preached is, that gets you nowhere.
You have to make a threat model, Who can attack your "fortress", why are they attacking your "fortress" and then build your security around that.
Can there be holes in your threat model that you discover later? Of course, that is when you need to go back and amend it.
But the general trend is, if your "fortress" is not a straw hut, and you have zero valuables in it, and an attacker has to spend time = money to pull off an attack where they get nothing of value in return, you are not a valid target anymore.
@owlmostdead9492 But by the time your outdated web browser becomes a problem it most likely won't matter much anyway, as browsing the web normally becomes impossible due to the nature of the modern web, your browser either just stops and the button on the webpage does nothing or if you try to go on Google with a browser on Win95, it just flat out crashes.
I still wouldn't consider hardware features as something you must update to have as Trafotin says.
I am a nerd but i can guarantee nobody updates their UEFI, firmware version, unless something is broken
So... Vendors always tell us something was broken... I updated and they're broke more then they've fixed.... And more security holes also...- How whould I know if update isn't malicious?
I'm pretty sure my main laptop would not be alive without Ubuntu.
please everyone throw away your old laptops and desktops away and use new devices for "security", itll make second hand prices much cheaper for us!
you mean much more expensive
Energy efficiency only contributes to a small percentage of carbon emissions over the lifetime of a end user device. Most of the emissions come from the manufacturing process and disposal. It's still a better option for casual users.
Realistically the human cost of maintaining legacy hardware will be there regardless. It's unlikely we'll manage to end poverty globally during our lifetime. Hence legacy hardware is here to stay anyway. The only trade-off here is cost vs security. OpenGL compatibility is important to mention but won't affect the decision to buy legacy hardware
linux saved my old mac lol
@@aa898246 my 2008 iMac is alive and well thanks to dosdude and opencore legacy patcher running ventura
But the thing is: old hardware can't keep up with new software not because old hardware is slow, but because most new written software is slow.
*this* right here, lazy coding with a code-bloated language
What do you mean? My calculator is tiny! I‘m not responsible for the bloat in Electron! And i really do need EVERY npm package!
Sure, not updated firmware can theoretically pose a security risk. But has anybody ever actually been exploited by that stuff? I think the number of times such attacks were actually performed are extremely low, and that other attack vektors are way more dangerous.
3:50 It was outdated at the conveyor belt and still they selling it. Outdating is not about date of manufacture, its about use cases. If it is still useful - it's not outdated.
Yeah, even an offline or local network computer can still be useful as long as you can get software on to it through other means and do offline tasks.
For lowEnd/Old computers never ever install Gnome or KDE their newer version are overkill, XFCE are barely the limit for these computers, you should considering LXDE as starting point (I install it recently on Pentium 4/ 256MB RAM) old Computer and works nice, and I run it with latest version of Debian 32 bit.
There is a misconception that mostly newcomers to Linux tend to make, which is that Linux is designed for old hardware. This is not the case, if you want to get all of its features and keep a better workflow you will need newer, more robust hardware. It does have tweaks and distros that will run on old hardware, but this is only with the idea of repurposing that old PC probably as a media center or text editor. If you really don't see any use case for an old PC, it's probably because its hardware it's just too old, no OS can save that.
При переходе на новые технологии некоторые (возможно большинство), не задумываются об оптимизации. Из-за этого возникает ситуация, вроде у тебя современная техника, а прога клешнеруких виснит из-за 1000+ прослоек которое нужно пройти данным для получения результата...
Re: environmental issues, best part of using older laptops is the fact that if your battery is old enough, you can replace it.
Let's understand something about technology that a lot of people fail to understand, but a lot of enthusiasts in the vintage computing space will address; a computer should be seen as a device which functions with software of its era. Sure, Linux can drag older machines kicking and screaming into modernity, and it's fun to push the envelope with them, but if the machine struggled to run Half-Life 2 back in its day, it'll _still_ struggle doing it today, and be good for what it was good for.
The _one_ saving grace that stops these machines from being corpses _is_ the fact all hardware can be given a second, alternative use. If the machine is not too old, but can't run Windows 11 and there is no interest in Linux for general computing, it can _still_ become; a NAS, a games server, a network bridge, a streaming content ingest, or _whatever else_ you can possibly conceive in your mind, and used beyond your wildest imagination. If it's older-than-dirt, then _I guess_ if it runs a web browser okay, have it be used for guests or donate the hardware where the internals can be re-used for something else, such as a web kiosk. And if it's somewhere in the middle, they can still be fantastic education machines for children, a cheap way into software development for endeavouring persons in need of a new skill or a half-decent office machine in a work setting.
Ultimately, how a machine is used (or re-used) is entirely up to however much money is going to be spent for it, or however much effort you are willing to fetch ancient hardware fit for re-purposing inside an older machine for cheap. Old machines aren't _no_ good, they're good as the day they were built. It's just a matter of where your imagination can take it, while respecting its limitations.
_Quick edit about the power efficiency thing_ - depending on the form factor, you can replace the PSU! Maybe not for a laptop, but for TFX and ATX you can often find aftermarket supplies fit for your needs, and as mentioned in the video _extenuating circumstances_ may make it cheaper to maintain what we have in the short-term, so that work can be done to gain new hardware in the long-term. But if the "Work" doesn't require strict time sensitivity, there's no reason to _not_ use whatever's on-hand to get a job done.
My UEFI was replaced with Coreboot.
UEFI is in Coreboot already.
Do NOT get rid of your old PCs. How else are you going to get onto a network to see my big fat "I TOLD YOU SO!" notices?!?!?
6:19 you can add a dedicated video card that still supports windows 10, it improves the graphics part of system
i had this discussion once on the Suse discord. i asked if it would be possible for Aeon (there immutable version) to get Legacy Bios support. they told me no and a very good reason as to why the no was given was something along the lines of "until what point do we need to support old hardware?"
Your gaming "assessment" was misleading and unfair to Linux. No testing was done in Windows at all, so how do we know it's a Linux issue and not a low-spec hardware issue? And yet, you chose to pin all of the horrible performance on Linux itself.
The Core 2 Duo is just too old and couldn't even handle games from before 2007. I think my assessment is pretty fair.
@@Trafotin The games you showed specifically mention support for the Core 2 Duo. CPUs of that era lacked integrated graphics, and it was common for the motherboard to supply those graphics or use a dedicated GPU.
I would think you'd have checked this out beforehand when looking at the system requirements of each game. Especially when each game has specified graphics requirements that you seemed to have ignored.
I completely disagree. Making a new device and properly disposing of an old one takes a lot more resources than the power the old computer will use. The old computer will still have a majority of security features of the new one if you install a modern os and modern software: ASLR, stack canaries, containerization / sandboxing... It won't have encrypted virtual memory sandbox (what Windows call VBS) but it will still be much better than running old obsolete and insecure software. The best reason to buy new hardware is to get much better performance and that few newer security features, but let's not pretend that it's for the environment.
Your remark regarding HDMI and DisplayPort is completely off. DisplayPort 1.1 that your computer has is fine outputting 1440p60 or 4k30 - same as 4 year old Intel's 10th generation Core i laptop with HDMI 1.4.
I still have an Intel Core Duo sitting in the other room; wife used to use it; she thought it worked fine as she's never in a rush. I replaced it by giving her an 8C/16T mini-pc.
"You will live John Constantine...You. Will. Live." Is what I told my old 2014 HP laptop. It lives on. That being said...I would mind moving up to an 8th-10th gen intel laptop.
I did put Puppy Linux on a old nuc. It worked surprisingly. I don't use the nuc for anything but I found it in an old box and it just seemed like the right thing to do in the moment. So I did it and afterwards I felt as if I accomplished something....I'm just not sure what. Whatever
strangely enough , powerPC raptor blackbird systems exist , open hardware open firmware with no binary blobs etc.. , It feel quite comfortable and modern to me. 18 cores, with 22 core on back-order
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed runs great on my 2011 HP 8200 Elite SFF with a 1050 ti, 20 GB of RAM, and an i5-2400, including with Wayland on the 555 Nvidia driver. It's not my main machine but sadly my Acer Nitro 5 which is a whole decade newer gets static shutdowns when I use Linux on it so I have to perform a power drain, especially on the Windows SSD but the second instance was so bad that the laptop would even hard shutdown on the Linux SSD. For that reason, the laptop runs Windows 11 and the old desktop runs Linux. I am very excited to build a beefy new AMD system and put Linux on that.
Yeah, SUSE devs are talking about super low end stuff and small code that nobody touches.
. I installed SUSE on a spare drive on that thing and it works mostly okay. The issue it causes is the dev cost of maintaining lower end hardware.
The performance problem is because wayland, I I tried wayland on an HP ProDesk 400 g1 sff with a intel core i3-4130 and 4 gb of ram, the performance in general was bad.
X11 (Xorg), on the other hand let me use that computer like it was in the launch day.
Also, Desktops Environment like KDE plasma or Gnome are too much for these computers, especially if there is no graphics card, the recomendation is lxqt or a tiling window manager with X11.
Other than that, I really liked your video, I never think about these points and I think is very important to know this information.
This is sad. I wish old computers would last forever.
Yeah well I have an hp 4540s from 2012 with an ivy bridge i3 and I am running it with arch and hyprland. So what’s the problem
I understand your reasonings, but I do think using an older computer is great for the environment, as computers that are thrown out end up giving toxic chemicals to the ground, which can be harmful the environment. And maybe an old PC isn’t the best for gaming, but you can still play lighter & older games and stream any game from a powerful PC. In addition, using Linux Distros like Debian is a better choice for older computers as opposed to more power-hungry Distros like Ubuntu. I use Debian on my 2007 Optiplex 745, and using the power of the LXQT Desktop, it runs really well! Not only is using older computers great for the environment and other common reasons, but I find them a lot of fun to use too!
If you really cared for the environment, you wouldn't even use computers at all
@@alexcerzea Wow, , a brash and pretentious false dichotomy. I wonder why people hate the linux community. Go back behind the gate you came from.
And you could use it as a small home server
Yup! You can also use an old PC as a server with Linux too!
@@alexcerzea That’s impossible in a hyperconnected world like this! Keeping hardware around for longer is the best compromise we can make.
what if i run linux on a low end pc from a few years ago
No, that's not true, that's impossible! ~~ Luke Skywalker (an Linux user) when Vader (you) tells him this.
Old hardware is not supposed to run new software. They are good for old software, like old games, emulation, or as a media servier like PiHole or Plex (minus the hardware transcoding).
Also firmware is not the lowest level. Firmware, even coreboot, still contains blobs, which may not even be updated in an up-to-date firmware.
yeah, fuck proprietary Hardware...
I have that exact same PC
my fastest computer is one of these 8300 SFFs :)
keep up good videos 👌
Interesting video.
BUT an Appropriately old or older Windows version configured well WILL XD! After all that's where you REALLY have hardware, software support, games, and options and custom isos galore to REALLY get the performance out of it.
Running the newest OS It can run is what will show its age and odds are you were ever only running a standard and not optimized version. And odds are it can probably run something older than what it came from if you want too
Catch is you'd have to manually patch exploitable methods (research and do that if you want it online), and use 3rd party software (possibly with outdated versions), or just keep it offline
While linux has alternatives to SOME windows has MANY MORE 3rd party alternatives.
Using old OS basically breaks the point of ressurecting old hardware.
@@VolpeJosesk No it doesn't, it gives new life to old hardware and can teach better sophistication and management of it rather than the simplistic and stupid means of "new=better" which it doesn't always.
@@VolpeJoseskit is technically just ANOTHER means to think and deal with it, NOT breaking the point.
I see FAR MORE accounts of linux getting hacked and gaining root access than administrator access to windows.
Windows if well managed and extra precautions taken is more secure due to more option.
L:inux is security through obscurity.
And oh that major downage? While it AFFECTED windows systems was actually exploited THROUGH a LINUX component of window (remember Windows is now TECHNICALLY in the linux family since windows 10)
That means Linux is TECHNICALLY making Windows less secure through compatibility with its own ever growing lists of vulnerabilities
Why would you use Ubuntu? It's so ram intensive.
U should just use the arch install script. Or lubuntu.
@@rch5395 is linux mint any better?
RAM is so cheap today. I think you should consider opening your device up for a simple upgrade. Ubuntu still runs much lower RAM than Win10 or 11 but Debian is also a flexible and stable choice for a low spec system.
Let people use what they want. It's software not gang colours. Also telling people who don't know arch to use arch is a horrible idea. "Advice" like that is why newcomers get overwhelemed and why the Linux community will never be socially aceptable to be apart of.
Arch will not install properly because the version of UEFI on the HP Compaq 8000 is that old. Fedora doesn't work either. It was a tossup between openSUSE Tumbleweed and Ubuntu and I happened to choose Ubuntu.
@stephenanthony5923 have you considered that old devices only support 8 or 4 gigs because of motherboard/cpu limitations?
moo
Man, id think a game like psychonauts would work fine on a 2013 computer i guess im wrong, likely cus it running internal graphics or just a really bad graphics card made just for displaying office apps and not gaming at all.... I feel modern and future interal graphics are becoming much more capable now thanks to AMDs apu chips theyre now making which has the power of a decent low end graphics card nowadays which would be fine for older game titles like this for sure.
I was pushing it, but the fact I could get very few games from the era working probably means it wasn't meant for gaming.