Can Hornby Trains Run On Extremely Tight Curves?

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  • čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
  • A demonstration of how amazing some model trains can be - who could have guessed that these engines could handle such tight curves?
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    0:00 Introduction
    1:56 1st Radius
    2:43 Radius Zero
    3:51 Minus1st Radius
    5:12 Minus 2nd Radius
    7:12 Minus 3rd Radius
    10:53 Conclusion
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  • @barryosullivan5255
    @barryosullivan5255 Před 3 lety +381

    Dockyard modellers: You had my curiosity, now you have my attention

  • @merlinandmurdoch7837
    @merlinandmurdoch7837 Před 3 lety +328

    Her: “I bet he’s thinking of another female”
    Him: “what’s the lowest radius Smokey joe can handle?

  • @pietersnackaert
    @pietersnackaert Před 3 lety +248

    Next episode: Sam discovers micro layouts and makes one.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +36

      Ooh that sounds awesome - I guess I could now!! xD
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

    • @mikeking2539
      @mikeking2539 Před 3 lety +5

      @@SamsTrains "T" gauge
      check it out.

    • @seankash8546
      @seankash8546 Před 3 lety +5

      Micro layouts can be done in any gauge! I've been successful running some 2-6-2's over curves like these.

    • @Wreckedftfoxy
      @Wreckedftfoxy Před 3 lety

      lol nah he figures out model railways in scrap mechanic

  • @SodorBrony
    @SodorBrony Před 3 lety +247

    Smokey Joe deserves an award. The “Curve Master”!

  • @Steamerthesteamtrain
    @Steamerthesteamtrain Před 3 lety +58

    Usually a loco with wheels closer to each other can handle tight curves, the drawback to a shorter wheelbase is hunting oscillation happens more on it vs a longer wheelbase. Also you should've done the minimum radius for coupling since some yards can have engines like the Pecketts and SECR P class and little space.

    • @davebell4917
      @davebell4917 Před 3 lety +9

      Yards also have the problem of the points. I suppose somebody making their own could try to build a shorter radius version. I remember seeing very old articles about that, and I think you would need some purpose-made jigs to bend the rail, Also, the materials would matter, but steel. nickel silver, or brass? Would the bent rail need annealing?
      On real railways they use gauge widening on tight curves. Partly it reduces the side wear on rails and flanges. Because of the wheel profile, there's a slight taper, it can also affect wheel slip, but I look at the math on that in the research papers I found, and I get a headache.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +11

      Yeah that's right, thanks a lot for the info! I will have to try this some time with 0-6-0s! :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @RichardKuivila1947
      @RichardKuivila1947 Před 3 měsíci

      x-8-x locos have too many flanges on all of those drivers. Front pair and back pair ONLY, works.

  • @CrumpledSandwich
    @CrumpledSandwich Před 3 lety +68

    I made a roundy round layout with 9” curves after being inspired by budget model railways

    • @andrewjames1190
      @andrewjames1190 Před 3 lety +4

      I am building one right now. Just awaiting some parts which will be here for the weekend.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +5

      That sounds awesome Jordan - what do you run on it?! :D
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

    • @LordPhobos6502
      @LordPhobos6502 Před 3 lety +3

      Similar story - 230mm curves for my model trams. Some locos will still make that curve too :p
      I used a laser-cut stencil to make the curves on soldered PCB sleepers, with room gor transition curves... I'm so happy with the trackwork :)

    • @CrumpledSandwich
      @CrumpledSandwich Před 3 lety +3

      @@LordPhobos6502 I had a wooden track setter laser cut for me which sits between the flexi track rails. I had two made actually with the correct spacing for Hornby tracks so the ends of the curves met the straights and points correctly. you can run old Hornby bo bos on the curves and I'm currently shortening a bubble car.

  • @pjstar4561
    @pjstar4561 Před 3 lety +33

    Sam: puts modern music in his video
    Indy: Falls off his chair in utter disbelief...

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +2

      haha I know right - what's going on!?? :O
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @smashrc8481
    @smashrc8481 Před 3 lety +51

    Anyone else hoping the track would come loose and what ever was on it to go flying?
    ...No just me

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +5

      haha it did cross my mind... I was wearing goggles after -2nd radius! ;D
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @Gothix1066
    @Gothix1066 Před 3 lety +31

    7:44 Gee whiz! That looks like Minecraft style track now lol.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +7

      haha I know!! Maybe I could build a minecraft layout?! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @Kuriboh1008
      @Kuriboh1008 Před 3 lety +2

      @@SamsTrains My favourite Minecraft minecart is Smokey Joe

    • @Ezz652
      @Ezz652 Před 3 lety

      @@SamsTrains YES PLEASE DO THAT

  • @seagraverailwaysandmodels2408

    The guys over at Budget Model Railways have done some excellent tight radius layouts for 0-4-0s - but don’t think even they went this tight!

    • @IronHorseRailways
      @IronHorseRailways Před 3 lety +6

      They got an old deltic to go Around 0 Radius too!

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +5

      Yeah I heard about those - I'll have to check that out! :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @thecaledonian4
    @thecaledonian4 Před 3 lety +2

    This is the answer to my prayers! I’ve seen a channel called Budget Model Railways do an 18-inch-wide loop layout so about 16” for a full 180 degree turn. The childlike joy you show when Smokey makes it round that -2nd curve is hilarious. More experimental videos please!
    - The Caledonian

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha thanks so much - really glad you liked it! I'll do more like this soon hopefully!! :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @thechair371
    @thechair371 Před 3 lety +15

    -3rd rails: You can't beat me.
    Sam: I know, but he can.
    *Smokey Joe has joined the battle*

  • @scottlewis775
    @scottlewis775 Před 3 lety +8

    Sam’s Trains: uploads a new experiment video.
    Me: How could he have known I needed to relax after a stressful week at uni?
    Thanks for being here when we need you Sam.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +3

      haha thanks Scott, that's my pleasure mate - hope life is good at Uni!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @mytinplaterailway
    @mytinplaterailway Před 3 lety +22

    I wonder if it might be interesting to see how larger loco's would get on with the original curve?
    Tender loco's, carriages, wagons etc. Could a small layout cater for an A4? Just a thought.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +3

      Yeah that is the big question - I might do this again some time!! :D
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @creepertwins7066
    @creepertwins7066 Před 3 lety +41

    When you did 0 radius
    Me: let me guess you’re going to go into negative radius numbers
    *goes into negative numbers*
    Me: knew it

  • @pugwash1
    @pugwash1 Před 3 lety +18

    Maybe you should use this for future reviews to show the limit a train could turn
    Before either derailing or flopping off the track

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +4

      Great idea!! If I had the time and space, that'd be an awesome feature to add! :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @cmdrbudman1ao580
      @cmdrbudman1ao580 Před 3 lety +1

      @@SamsTrains Just use the same piece of wood with all the curves already attached. Could even screw down one of those Mehano controllers and wire them all up.

    • @williamcarrington61
      @williamcarrington61 Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@SamsTrainsMakes me think about the Port of London Authority system around the Silvertown area . Even Tate & Lyle had a connection to British Railways. However we won't linger on the failed attempt to run bulk sugar tankers disaster. The Train of Tankers was "Lost", a shunting error !

  • @ThatModelRailwayGuy
    @ThatModelRailwayGuy Před 3 lety +13

    Great video Sam. I've seen others make incredible micro layouts using curves similar to this but you really pushed it to the limit! I've always wanted to have a go at a minimum circuit layout, maybe I'll have to try it out now! Thanks for sharing with us 😃

    • @andrewjames1190
      @andrewjames1190 Před 3 lety +3

      I think you're approach with modular sections would combine really well with micro curves used offscreen like a fiddle yard.

    • @ThatModelRailwayGuy
      @ThatModelRailwayGuy Před 3 lety +1

      @@andrewjames1190 Thanks Andrew, that's not a bad idea! I may have to implement that some day 👍

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks a lot mate, yeah I've heard about those too - I'd love to build one myself now!! :O
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @photographerjamie
    @photographerjamie Před 3 lety +5

    Smokey Joe is the little engine that could! What a little legend!
    Wonder if Hornby is watching..

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      I know right!! There's nothing he can't do?!? ;D
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

    • @photographerjamie
      @photographerjamie Před 3 lety

      @@SamsTrains Not a problem, very entertaining ^^

  • @johntunicliffe9019
    @johntunicliffe9019 Před 2 lety +1

    You hit the nail on the head Sam. Many people don't have space for 3rd or 4th radii. So 1st and 0 radius are a God send. Brilliant experiment. Thanks Sam.

  • @alan_mythicalgnome
    @alan_mythicalgnome Před rokem +1

    I remember when I was 6 years old, my Dad made my layout with 'Play Craft' curves which I think came from a clockwork trainset.They were a lot tighter than 1st radius curves. My good old faithful, Triang, bright yellow 0-4-0T 'Connie' loco was more than happy to go round them. At aged 6, it regularly went round them virtually at the speed of light. This loco was was played to death. I loved it. *(Just been on Google. Playcraft track was designed for French HO scale in the 1960s)

  • @EthansTrains
    @EthansTrains Před 3 lety +5

    Budget Model Railways has a layout that has ridiculously tight curves, you should see it! I like these experimental videos! :)

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      Ooh awesome - I will look into that! Thanks mate, glad you like them! :D
      Cheers,
      Sam :)

    • @OlivierGabin
      @OlivierGabin Před 3 lety

      @@SamsTrains They made 228mm/9in radius curves, and it works fine. And another with 7 1/2 in/190mm curve radius, here is the video : czcams.com/video/pN1qLwyn_bg/video.html

  • @LIMowersAndMore
    @LIMowersAndMore Před 3 lety +7

    I can hear the flanges screaming, “ouch”.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +3

      haha yeah... it was a bit painful at the end there! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @SilverDragonTV
    @SilverDragonTV Před 3 lety +2

    Smokey Joe is the "Onion Bubs" of model trains. You can't not love him. Truly a perfect specimen.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      haha you're right, haha!! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @j0nn032
    @j0nn032 Před 8 měsíci +1

    This is a late comment but I do want to share this: I tested this theory on a bunch of trains and quite shockingly my Hornby P2 Cock O’ The North could easily handle curves between radius 0 and 1st radius. Any tighter than the curve I tested it on made it derail due to its massive wheel base. My Flying Scotsman however handled up to radius 0.

  • @TheSaint491
    @TheSaint491 Před 3 lety +5

    1:17 sam, being the youngest middle aged school teacher ever

  • @KieranMcGovern7530
    @KieranMcGovern7530 Před 3 lety +29

    Sam was barely able to handy the shear size if his wood......

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha I know right!! xD
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @bennickss
    @bennickss Před rokem +2

    Now I want to build an OO gauge wild mouse coaster using the -3rd radius curves

  • @Callumrileyw4
    @Callumrileyw4 Před 3 lety +2

    “There will be no silliness here today!”
    Also him: SMOKEY JOE
    Anyway have a nice day! -3801 productions :D

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha!! Thanks mate, glad you liked this one! :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @joeyfletchengines
    @joeyfletchengines Před 3 lety +13

    Can you try this with the larger locos I see my larger diesel locos get round first radius bends and I'm just curious how much they can take

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +2

      Great idea Joey - I reckon they could take at least radius 0, maybe less?? :D
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

    • @stanley3647
      @stanley3647 Před 3 lety

      @@SamsTrains Try to leave all curves at board for future testing... maybe nail curve track to board - make it more rigid.
      Try with wagons maybe as well?
      Will be interesting how tight it can be for limited room ;)

  • @alegorailwaymodeller3115
    @alegorailwaymodeller3115 Před 3 lety +11

    I made a layout for my brother and it's got 20 inches as a diameter and we can run triang 0,6,0 engines with no flanges on the middle set ok

    • @cheesekay7314
      @cheesekay7314 Před 3 lety +1

      Jesus

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      Wow, that sounds awesome - yeah the blind axles will definitely make a big difference there!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @MisterSprocket16
    @MisterSprocket16 Před 3 lety

    Greetings from America! I liked this experiment quite a lot, it reminded me of my grandfather's stories of his old workplace in St. Louis Missouri. He worked at a boiler fabrication plant and they had rail lines running inside the building to help transport their work. Many of the curves were so tight that only a little two axle loco would run on them and the freight cars (wagons you call them) would squeal as they went around the curves. Good memories, keep up the good work, I'm a huge fan of British steam locos. Cheers!

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Greeting Allen, really glad you enjoyed the experiment! That sounds fascinating - I bet he had some real tales to tell!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @mikrieltje
    @mikrieltje Před 2 lety

    hornby: our engines are designed for radius 1 curves
    bachmann: ok yeah we will design our engines like that too
    marklin: **laughs in utterly small corners**

  • @PieAndChips
    @PieAndChips Před 3 lety +7

    Next time on Sam's Trains, Sam tests Hornby's ability to defy gravity by nailing the track to the ceiling

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +3

      haha we'll see about that!! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @OlivierGabin
      @OlivierGabin Před 3 lety +1

      @@SamsTrains Further step affter this one : can we do model railroading in low Earth orbit. Featuring Sam in the ISS.

    • @PieAndChips
      @PieAndChips Před 3 lety

      @@OlivierGabin looooooooool

    • @lfewell2161
      @lfewell2161 Před 3 lety

      @@SamsTrains Looking forward to this, can be done as Jennifer kirk has done this with a locomotive, I'm sure you're more than capable of making it work with a train.

  • @masterofsouthern5427
    @masterofsouthern5427 Před 3 lety +5

    Well N gauge is now useless for more now 😂 great video Sam🙂

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      haha exactly!! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @TheSharkKing45
    @TheSharkKing45 Před 3 lety +1

    1) I think that you might want to let Hornby know of your discovery , Sam... as this is genuinely impressive. Perhaps 0 Radius and -1 Radius could be the new minimum for UK HO/00 gauge layouts!
    2) Perhaps this test could be redone with 0-6-0 tank and tender engines , with the 0 Radius and -1 Radius curves?

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +2

      Thanks mate - it would be awesome to see Hornby release say an industrial train set with ultra tight curves - could open up a new market there! Great idea - I should really have tried other engines on it!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @richardclowes6123
    @richardclowes6123 Před 2 lety +1

    I'm hugely glad I came across this video as I am setting up my track to run my Hogwarts Express (4-6-0) on 1st radius curves as it is the only way to use my shed space. So far it has run on my test layout okay but I have heard other railway video presenters saying that if you use a tighter curve than what is recommended that you will burn out the motor and cause other damages to boot !
    As I consider you as the 'expert on testing trains' I would seriously appreciate your honest opinion.
    All your videos have been so worth watching as I learn so much from them. Thank you, Rick the Bulldog from Digon Alley Station.

  • @dasmann3904
    @dasmann3904 Před 3 lety +11

    My “Strathyre station” layout has a curve that I would call -2nd radius curve. The curve goes round a board just over 30cm wide. Another thing, I thought that you should create a bloopers series!-Das Mann

    • @welshdave5263
      @welshdave5263 Před 3 lety +2

      Either a bloops video compilation, or a just a couple of them in the CZcams shorts format.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +2

      Blimey, that is pretty tight - what sort of engines do you run on that?!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @nickdaniels4899
    @nickdaniels4899 Před 3 lety +3

    If Hornby ever decide to go down the Narrow gauge modeling route, they should take tips from your good self. :)

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha thank you - I'm sure there's not much they could learn from me though!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @GearHeadedHamster
    @GearHeadedHamster Před 3 lety +1

    The mathematics of track geometry is absolutely fascinating. Other experiments to try is running 0-4-0's with long wheel bases. running 0-6-0's. bogied locos. Or various rolling stock and watching how the cuppers interact. there's just so much to try.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      Yeah it is actually - it's amazing that all of these models just work when they're released!!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @GearHeadedHamster
      @GearHeadedHamster Před 3 lety

      @@SamsTrains No problem. Have fun with your new urban trolley layout ;)

  • @Minitrucker231
    @Minitrucker231 Před 3 lety

    "This is all completely innocent!" Mate I just about lost it at that lol. Although the innuendo didn't help, I will admit, my mind went into the gutter, at full steam and derailed around a curve!

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha guttermind!! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @TrainosaurusMC
    @TrainosaurusMC Před 3 lety +4

    Sam has posted another great video :)

  • @markfiddament9383
    @markfiddament9383 Před 3 lety +4

    Next project - ghost train layout...

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Ooh that sounds spooky Mark!! :O
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @closeyamy
    @closeyamy Před 3 lety +1

    Fun experiment, crazy that they could go round that tiny last curve!

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks Chloe - yeah I was really impressed with that! :O
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @derrickhale3125
    @derrickhale3125 Před 3 měsíci

    When I was a lad Traing trains ran on 13 1/2" raduiss curves. Hornby Dublo on 15". The sharpest curve on any standard gauge line in the UK was Gotham Curve on the Cromford and High Peak Railway at 55 yds (2 1/2 chains). The same railway also had the steepest adhesion worked incline - Hopton Incline - at 1in 14. Only certain 0-6-0 locomotives could negotiate Gotham Curve and the minimum radius curve stated for most mainline locomotives was 5 chains. There would have been sharper curves in some industrial settings. Food for thought - Gotham Curve works out at 660mm radius in 4mm to the foot scale. 5 chains and wider 1320mm and more.

  • @solidsnake4595
    @solidsnake4595 Před 3 lety +9

    smokey Joe: Senpai did i do good?
    SamsTrains: better than i had hoped i was expecting you to derail on less of a curve!

    • @smokeyjoesrailroad
      @smokeyjoesrailroad Před 3 lety

      What lol

    • @solidsnake4595
      @solidsnake4595 Před 3 lety

      @@smokeyjoesrailroad i have lockdown syndrome i have been given the cure but its gunna take a while before the effects kick in i bet XD

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      haha!! I feel exactly the same!! xD
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @rustyduncan3664
    @rustyduncan3664 Před 3 lety +4

    Next video: Can a model train climb a wall

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha!! Now there's a question!! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @kentlangham5811
      @kentlangham5811 Před 3 lety

      Back in the 1980's there was a train set that would do just that. I believe it was made by Tyco. You would build most of the layout on the level but 1/2 half of an oval would extend vertically off of the table. It was advertised going up a wall to support the force exerted by the train. A friend of mine had one and I remember it working fairly well but the train had to be run at near full throttle. If you find one or remanufacture one I would love to see the video.

    • @jackmason7823
      @jackmason7823 Před 3 lety

      He's kind of already done this with his sprocket loco 😂

  • @skrixul954
    @skrixul954 Před 3 lety

    Sam: The tracks are going to fail before you can make it curved enough to derail an 0-4-0
    Me: challenge accepted

  • @irondiamondrailproductions9038

    North American traction modelers: you did twice the work and could only achieve half my power

  • @MistaMatthews
    @MistaMatthews Před 3 lety +3

    Hi Sam, great video! This is something I have been wondering about! Any chance you could do a continuation and test what kind of loco's can make 1st radius curves despite manufacturer recommendation such as some larger steam loco's, dmu's/emu's?

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks a lot mate - yeah great idea, that would be a great one to try! :D
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @stantheshagster1484
    @stantheshagster1484 Před 3 lety +5

    I'm going to try this whith my Smokey joe

    • @vincentmusic09
      @vincentmusic09 Před 3 lety +1

      Im going to try this with a garrat

    • @EthansTrains
      @EthansTrains Před 3 lety

      @@vincentmusic09 lol XD

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Awesome! haha good luck with the Garratt! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @stefanwosinsky1935
    @stefanwosinsky1935 Před 3 lety +2

    Phew... for a second i was afraid the loco’s on the shelf above the staircase we’re gonna take a dive, but luckily you managed to squeeze through... nice test, i have some fleischmanns (1/87) that’ll accept a 357mm curve, although i have 1 streamlined class 03 that refuses to do it.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha I'm used to them now, always got to be careful, lol! Ooh that sounds interesting!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @CymruJedi
    @CymruJedi Před 3 lety +1

    This was actually a fantastic idea for a video. Great content mate!

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Thanks so much, really glad you liked it mate! :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @PHsRailwayVideos
    @PHsRailwayVideos Před 3 lety +4

    I learned something new today too - that people say 'small things amuse small minds.'

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha, whatever floats your boat!! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @Sam_Dabboi
    @Sam_Dabboi Před 3 lety +3

    Run a decently big tender engine on those rails for fun please

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      haha good idea - I think it'd end badly though! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @NotAnAmerican
    @NotAnAmerican Před 6 měsíci

    Smokey goes round my christmas tree in a 20cm radius track. great experiment, looking forward to building my layout dockyard with this small formfactor

  • @PhillipBrodginski
    @PhillipBrodginski Před 3 lety

    This is exactly what these small wheelbase locomotives were designed for. Some dock yards had seriously tight curves, originally designed for the likes of horses. Usually they'd just have a narrow gauge line in that case, but some places wanted to just offload or load ships directly from the regular rolling stock.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks Philip - I'd love to see some curves like this in real life!!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @robmasterman
    @robmasterman Před 3 lety

    What a wonderful experiment Sam, confirms why the real size locos were built to operate on tight curves....and how well these small locos have been made....Bob

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Thanks a lot Bob - yeah absolutely - I'm amazed by this really!! :O
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @hackenbeckproductions2683

    Sam'sTrains: I wonder how tight of curve a generic Hornby 0-4-0 can handle?
    Lionel O27: Let us introduce ourselves

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      haha is that so?! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @gleggett3817
    @gleggett3817 Před 3 lety +2

    The problem with tension in the track looks to be more from the sleepers joints than the rail. I think clipping all the connections between sleepers would help. I would also cut a guide out of a sheet of wood with the right radius to bend the rail against to get a smooth transition.

  • @andrewknights1304
    @andrewknights1304 Před 3 lety

    Hi Sam. Great fun. I did, some years back, have an exhibition layout "Yarmouth Quay" based on the Great Yarmouth Tramway. It was 2ft by 4ft with 8ins radius curve, inset into the road. Admittedly the track was all hand laid and there was some(?) gauge widening! But a Mainline 03 could do it with all six wheels flanged. Buffer lock? Yes hand knitted wire couplers, fully automatic, ex office paper clips provided the wire. The layout did many shows over five years before being sold on. Even went to the Great Yarmouth show once....

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Thanks very much Andrew, that sounds fantastic - 8 inch curves must have been very extreme, great to hear it turned out well though!!
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @highbrookendmodelrailway
    @highbrookendmodelrailway Před 3 lety +2

    Very interesting video once again, nice to know that Hornby's little engines are so capable.
    I can relate to 7:26, sometimes I just lose it too when doing something as ridiculous as this! You can't help yourself! 🤣

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks mate - yes it was fun to learn how capable these are! haha yep, can't be helped! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @user-uo6yp7rw5b
    @user-uo6yp7rw5b Před 3 lety

    Thank you very much, Sam! Your experiments are so fascinating!

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      It's a pleasure mate, glad you enjoy them! :D
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @AMOGLES99
    @AMOGLES99 Před 3 lety

    As a side hobby I'm into tram models myself. Trams run around very tight curves in the prototype, for example turning into a side street in a normal street setting. Some trams run around 15m radius in the prototype which would be 197mm in OO scale or 182mm in HO scale . I think back in Victorian days there were 9m curves, which would be 118mm in OO or 104mm in HO scale. There is a company in the USA called Electric Avenue who supply curves with something like sub 20cm radius. I have bought some but haven't yet got around to testing them. The tracks come as a kit and are a bit fiddly to assemble.
    From what some people on the internet forums advise me, I need to spread the gauge somewhat to make that possible. So I'm really surprised to see you do this with fixed gauge track and not getting derailments (apart from that one dodgy rail joint)

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Thanks for sharing Ray, I've heard about some of those trams, would love to try some! Many thanks for all the info,
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @LauriraYT
    @LauriraYT Před 3 lety +1

    Reminds me of a very old lego train set I have which uses a few metal rods between the tracks. The contacts on the train were so worn that it would struggle to drive even on straight track, though. Good times.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha everyone's been saying that actually!! :O
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @infinity6450
    @infinity6450 Před rokem

    I tried to build a micro layout a while back that had curves varying from -1 right down to below -3! I made my own coupling system out of cake wire (A very thin wire used in making cake toppers) just so that I could run my trains. Those trains mainly consisted of A Peckett and some very kit bashed wagons. Also, at the tightest point my locomotives slowed from half speed to a crawl. Do not try this at home kids!

  • @bluskidu
    @bluskidu Před 3 lety +2

    I went to Check online because it’s my birthday, and I find this! Great video Sam hope you do more in the future! 🚂😄

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      haha awesome!! Happy birthday my friend!! :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

    • @bluskidu
      @bluskidu Před 3 lety +1

      Thank you Sam! 😃

  • @JohnPW22
    @JohnPW22 Před 3 lety +1

    Amazing! Definitely now want to see some tests with larger engines!

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Thanks so much John, I might do that in the future! :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @mattsmocs3281
    @mattsmocs3281 Před 2 lety

    Actually these curves are actually extremely common in American interurban/ trolley modeling! Some even sharper curves too. Tight curves like this exist IRL in industrial settings often. Also in America we solder these curves typically to solve the break issue.

  • @HolyKhaaaaan
    @HolyKhaaaaan Před 3 lety

    That tight curve is the sort you'd see on a child's toy train set.
    Now I want to see your engines go up ridiculously steep, toy-train-ish inclines.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha yeah, some of them are crazy aren't they?!? :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @bangboats3557
    @bangboats3557 Před rokem

    Imagine the industrial switching micro layouts you can make with such tight curves? While rolling stock can't handle the smallest turns for buffer locking and decoupling , clever design could see locos using them to get into service or storage areas.

  • @rinnmhor
    @rinnmhor Před 3 lety

    For years Jouef made a 12inch radius (smaller than hornby first radius), modellers often used it for tram lines/dock layouts. If you only have room for first radius it's handy if you get some as it's set track that allows you to add in an inner line on a first radius layout - almost everything that was made in margate to go around a first radius will also go around it without any problem. I used it on my layout before to achieve a fifth inner line, the outer 4 being standard hornby 1st-4th radius.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      I never knew about this Christian, thanks for sharing!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @stevenallan5822
    @stevenallan5822 Před 3 lety

    Always thinking ahead of the curve and the the flexi track is screaming 'no, don't do it, I can't take it, what are you doing Sam?'

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha absolutely... that track was under some serious stress at the end there!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @GelatoTaco
    @GelatoTaco Před 2 lety

    Just started getting into the hobby in the past 2 weeks or so, and as a man who greatly enjoys slightly scuffed DIY kinda stuff, these tighter turns are right up my alley. This actually massively helps me in terms of just how compact I can make a small railyard I have planned. Hopefully I can snag a nice used model as my first to use as a shunter.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 2 lety +1

      Fantastic! Good luck! Just remember not to make the curves too tight, as it can stress the wheel flanges. Also take couplings into account when you're designing curves - typical NEM couplings can usually only handle wider couplings!
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @The_RWS_Modeller
    @The_RWS_Modeller Před 3 lety +2

    If only we could get Sam to throw the most expensive OO guage model in a lake XD

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha I don't think I'll do that, lol! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @the_failed_states
    @the_failed_states Před 3 lety

    Great content as usual Sam... Couple of points - three actually:
    1) Hornby will advertise the safest radius so that irate customers don't inundate them when Evening Star refuses to go around a right angle
    2) You only needed the one length of flex track, it might have been better without the straights or the fishplates - I'm sure that's been pointed out
    3) I really like 0-4-0s on dockside or factory layouts. Buffer lock should dictate the minimum radius - not tension-lock couplers which are an offence to nature

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Thanks very much for sharing Matt! Yes absolutely right on 1, that must by why they do it! Appreciate the tips too, thanks mate!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @thestandardfour0699
    @thestandardfour0699 Před 3 lety

    Yes! Another Experiment! This has made my day, thanks Sam.
    Nearly and 100K Subs!

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Thanks so much, really glad you enjoyed it! Appreciate the kind support too mate,
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @selwynlawton7939
    @selwynlawton7939 Před 3 lety +1

    Hey Sam, out of scale, long wheel flanges are fantastic for very tight curves and/or any curves and turnouts. That's why 00 Steam Locomotive front pony wheels are made "out of Scale". Australian Manufactures need follow this practice.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks a lot for sharing Selwyn, that's very interesting!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @Plokman040
    @Plokman040 Před 2 lety

    Industrial Locomotive designs were often very small, strong, and tough. The Beckton Gas works were on a realistic size tight like -3 radius but the engines had wheel bases just long enough to cope. They also had Dumb Buffers (which are not sprung really they are just wood blocks at the front) this and chain couplings gave them that skill. But even so that was a great test models do not always do as well as prototype.

  • @johnd8892
    @johnd8892 Před 3 lety +1

    One of the most common laments of those building a major model railway project is that they wished they did make the curves so tight a radius in places.
    Tight curves more suited to throw away test layouts to convince you how limiting they are for running actual trains. At least a small one may not have cost much money learning the lesson.
    Even on Hornby's channel their new high detail large locos and coaches look a joke going round the corners they use as their standard curves.
    With lack of space it is better to have a plank type shunting layout like your O scale system.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Thanks for sharing John, yeah I bet you're right actually - I'll have super wide curves if I ever build a new layout!
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @limehuzki
    @limehuzki Před 8 měsíci

    Heya! Smokey Joe 0-4-0 is a small locomotive that in real life would be designed specifically to negotiate tight turns like this in the middle Eastern portion of the United States
    Special examples of the use cases are similar to the shay locomotive
    These engines had to negotiate tight and steep sometimes even elevated and bumpy curves reliabily before the central railway network was created.

  • @coreywiedenfeld3689
    @coreywiedenfeld3689 Před 3 lety

    Love this. I am a toy train nut so tighter curves are pretty normal. Also like seeing what people can do with micro layouts in these smaller scales.
    It may have been said elsewhere in the comments but the next step I think is adding a couple carriages (that is what you guys call them, right?) and seeing what radius they can make. Toy train hint: typically our couplers are attached to the trucks, not the car frame.
    Just a thought if you wanted to take it a step further! Cheers!

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Thanks Corey - yeah some of those layouts are amazing! Great idea - would be great to try some carriages!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @Roskellan
    @Roskellan Před 2 lety

    Years ago I made a layout for my son on a 8 x 4 board, because that was the smallest I could go and have two tracks doing circuits, well a figure of eight. If only I'd known :-)

  • @nigelericogden3200
    @nigelericogden3200 Před 3 lety

    Exactly right Sam ... I have the second radius curves ... but I can never fix them to a baseboard due to lack of space ... definitely food for thought .... Crazy !!

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Thanks Nigel - yeah that's it, worth remembering!! :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @ivovanzon164
    @ivovanzon164 Před 3 lety

    From the CAD era: R1 is a 360mm radius, and the minimum you can do with NEM close couplers.
    Pre-CAD you did have 250mm radius as official starter set track, but you are limited to using non-rigid couplers.
    You can do tighter curves... Cut the connection between the sleepers down to the minimum and use one piece of flex for the whole test track so that you don't have to use fishplates.
    And yes I did try the R250 in an undulating circle... Fleischmann tinplate can drive on two wheels

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Thanks a lot for sharing Ivo, yes coupling is definitely one of the biggest issues!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @MrJoeyWheeler
    @MrJoeyWheeler Před 3 lety

    That was impressive, if not entirely unpredictable! After all, short wheelbase locos like the Peckett would typically be used in areas with really tight bends, like dockyards. Places where the curves could be so tight only wagons would normally be able to handle it.
    I recently learned some towns had setups allowing locomotives to pull wagons onto wagon turntables from a 90 degree angle!

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Thanks Damian - that's pretty interesting - I wonder what the tightest real life curve they ever handled was like?
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @tomjenssen7486
    @tomjenssen7486 Před 3 lety

    Good fun and quite amazing how tight the curves can be. I had to make some really tight curves for my Christmas village track. The 0-4-0 makes the curves but I had to cut the buffers off the trucks and remove the hook from the couplers (replacing with a small loop of wire). I just didn't have the space to make the baseboard any deeper...but it works :) And don't even get me started on the TV set layout. I managed to squeeze 19ft of N gauge track inside an old TV set....lol. All the best mate :) Tom

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks a lot Tom - yeah that's the issue isn't it? Trying to couple something! At least I know what to do if I try this again - thanks mate!
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @martinhinsley6198
    @martinhinsley6198 Před 3 lety

    I think you may have just sold another 1000 models of smokey and peckett for Hornby. Well done Sam. Another fine video. Cheers

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha thanks Martin, glad you liked it!! :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @Boypogikami132
    @Boypogikami132 Před 2 lety

    Fun Fact: TheUnluckyTug used the peckett (idk it’s name) to build 2 custom locos, one is his custom Percy (NWR #6) using the powered wheels, and his custom Edward (NWR #2) using the funnel.

  • @nicolaiitchenko7610
    @nicolaiitchenko7610 Před 3 lety

    I have used Hornby 0-4-0 units as the basis for a freelance 0n30 urban tram system for several years on 6 inch (153mm) radius hand laid (soldered onto copper clad sleepers) curves set into street running layout built for a Tram Fan some years ago.
    Might suggest an internal rail system inside an industrial complex would be an interesting show piece.
    At the time, Hornby locomotives, like most others also, had the "cookie cutter" style flanges and never caused a hint of a problem on the street corners. Hand made turnouts also had nil issues.
    I am told that the newer, more modern flanges that are now available, are also not causing any grief on the layout.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      That's fantastic Frank, I've heard about that being done before, they're fairly decent chassis aren't they? That certainly would be interesting - I'd love to build something like that one day!
      Thanks for watching - Sam :)

  • @snowyfolfskyroo2739
    @snowyfolfskyroo2739 Před 3 lety +1

    Never in my life would I have been able to predict I would be freaking out over a model train moving forward

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      haha me neither!! xD
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @AntoekneeDE
    @AntoekneeDE Před 3 lety

    Seen at least one comment referring to them, Budget Model Railways have done some brilliant compact tail chaser layouts by using tiny curves and 0-4-0s to prove just that point, anybody has space for a layout. Have a look at what they’ve done and give them a subscribe (I’m not affiliated, just appreciate what they do). I’ve seen elsewhere that a continental manufacturer offered sub-1st radius curves which will run with various hornby 4-4-0 tender engines, but I forget which one

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Yeah I've heard about this - I still need to check those videos out!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @TheAntisocialTrain
    @TheAntisocialTrain Před 3 lety

    Model Railways - Dont go lower than second radius or it will cost you
    Sam: Heres a little lesson in trickery

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha I guess this proves that to be true... particularly when you start introducing rolling stock! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @leighwilsonartist
    @leighwilsonartist Před 3 lety

    Very cool Sam, just started laying track and was worried that second radius was going to be too tight, this blows my theory out of the water.😀

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha thanks Leigh - I think you should be fine with 2nd, haha! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @woodchestermodelrailway6781

    Fishplates were harmed in the making of this video, but the boundaries of model railways have been pushed...and shattered

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      haha yes they were, haha agreed! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @stegotron
    @stegotron Před 3 lety

    Smokey Joe really is the Little Engine That Could.
    One thing that surprised me getting back into model trains was the increase in minimum radius over the years. My early 90s tender drive Scotsman came with 1st radius curves in the train set and runs no problem (meaning it would fit on a dining table), though that may be because the trailing truck is articulated (tender drive, obvs). They all seem to be fixed now; makes you wonder why they dropped that feature when they went to loco driven trains instead. Perhaps that could be the next test: smallest minimum radius of a tender engine

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Yeah!! Very few challenges old smokey has failed! Yeah this is true - most locos are now 2nd radius... I reckon most could still handle 1st on well laid track!
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @modelrailpreservation
    @modelrailpreservation Před 3 lety

    In the 1940s Varney, an early manufacturer of HO scale models here in the USA, had a demo of their small 0-4-0T dockside tank running on a circle of track where the inside "Rail" was actually a silver dollar, which is an inch and a half around. Figure HO scale track is 5/8" gauge, and you got a circle of track roughly three inches in diameter. THe purpose was to show off just what this little locomotive could do. I also remember something about a similar locomotive back on a circle of track built around the brim of a fedora hat. Again, more for fun and to prove it could be done in the first place.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Thanks a lot for sharing Steve - that sounds crazy, I would have loved to see that! :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @noahstrainstuff
    @noahstrainstuff Před 3 lety

    Excited to see this.

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Hope you enjoy it!! :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @DillonCatterson
    @DillonCatterson Před 3 lety

    Almost 100k Sam you deserve it so much!

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety

      Thanks so much mate, that's really kind of you! :D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @chrismacdonald6963
    @chrismacdonald6963 Před 3 lety

    Amazing!!! Can't stop laughing at this. Who would of thought it. Thanks Sam. :)

    • @SamsTrains
      @SamsTrains  Před 3 lety +1

      haha thanks a lot mate - glad it was amusing for you, lol! ;D
      Thanks for watching, Sam :)

  • @ZeldaTheSwordsman
    @ZeldaTheSwordsman Před 3 lety

    And this is why so many 0-4-0T locos were built IRL.
    Also, that difficulty with getting the wagon around the curve is because slimline tension-locks are the stupidest thing in model trains since hardwired "loco one side, tender other side" pickup and should have been dropped like the bad idea they are ages ago.