How the new TATRA Phoenix all-wheel-drive truck is built
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Animated clip showing the construction of the new TATRA Phoenix all-wheel-drive truck based on the trademark 'spine back' chassis. Official TATRA video kindly provided to Biglorryblog
Je to nádhera se takto dívat, jak TATRA pracuje . Já nevím jak vy, ale já jsem uchvácenej i když si kdoklov řekne, že co je na pohonu kol, ale mě to přesto uchvacuje.
yes it slightly offset. It's compansated for in wheel direction in chassis.
On the Pinzgauer drive train design. Unequalled!
Na konstrukci hnacího ústrojí Pinzgauer. Nepřekonatelný!
S pozdravem z Jižní Afriky.
Airbag suspension. Will be a nice strong truck
hermoso cuando llega al Perú este país necesita este tipo de volquetes.
Clever differential engineering - similar to the Peugeot; Hypoide system found in the 504 and 404.
Can also be likened to the Pinzgauer transmission and final drive.
Old technology but very effective. Fuel consumption may be heavier.
+Murray Wood The Pinzgauer was desinged by the same person as the Tatra system - Ing. Porsche.
Hmm, nope. I'm no Tatra expert, but I'm pretty sure Porsche just got "inspired" by the Tatra system, invented by Hans Ledwinka.
You have it the other way around: Porsche broke 20 patents of Hans Ledwinka (Tatra company) and this was solved by the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Hitler. ?In 1961 a reparation had to be payd by VW to the Ringhoffer family (former Tatra company owners)of 3 million Mark. This was the reason that it took VW to rely on the Beetle for so long, untill the VW Golf was introduced. They ran out of money. Hans Ledwinka designed the backbone chassis in 1924, and Erich Ledwinka, his son designed the Pinzgauer and Haflinger whilst working for Steyr in Austria. In fact, Porsche wasnt as succesful as many people think, he used others ideas as most of his own ideas failed because he was too eager to please Hitlers megalomane ideas...
Hello Clover Leaf, yes you are partly right and I am partly wrong, it war Ignatius Shustalla who actually designed the system and Hans Ledwinka and Ferdinand Porsche worked for / with him, Porsche defected to the Nazis when they invaded CZ and he stole the design of the Tatra T570 - the peoples car, later to become the VW Bettle, Ledwinka stayed and eventually took over from Shustalla, Shushtalla's house is preserved for history in Koprivnice.
Allan McDigger Ferdinand Porsche never work for Tatra he works for Skoda and this was invented be Hans Ledwinka
Excelente
Permanent 6x6 ? or the axle can be disconnected to 6x4 or 6x2 when 6x6 is unnecessary
SUPER ANIMACIA TATROVKY
Moc odpovjedzí v cudzích jazykoch 🤔nemyslíte? A de sú ty skalný fanúškové, co 😴😴😴chrápú?!?!?! NÁDHERNÁ GRAFIKA. To je "TATRA"
its actualy Tatra with Daf cabin only.
First class design transmission, with great rigidity and the three lockable differentials and all independent suspension! However, I see no differentials between axles; so for road use I guess front axle is disconnected? Also, as others have said, doesn't the offset left and right side roadwheels affect handling? Manufacturing costs must by twice as much as most simple Western world road vehicles! But I guess it's worth it for the great offroad advantage.
So no interaxle diff between axle 2 and 3?
good video
Realmente paga la complejidad del sistema en costo y posibilidad de falla por sobre el eje rígido?
I wonder if you could put leaves springs on something like that? I wonder if Ford, GM, or Chrysler will ever try anything like that.
Yes leaf springs had earlier Tatra models. This chassis concept has been produced since 1920. Ford and GM would have to buy from the Tatra patent.
WHY? Leaf springs are simple but unadjustable, this vehicle is high tech and justifies all the advantages of air suspension, even modern American trucks have air suspension.
Its actually called a 'backbone tube with swinging half axles' and not a spine back chassis.
Do have any idea about where i can find more information about advantages and drawbacks of using this suspension?
@@MrezaSF www.tatra.cz
@@MrezaSF Look up the Pinzgauer vehicle. Search Pinzgauer driveline operation
Hello, I need dust cover for Tatra truck, only 6
If you did use a Tatra Chachi, with a Scania V8 Diesel engine, a M.A.N Gearbox, and Tatra's own Diffenrentiale, and a Daf stiringhouse, then you will have the strongest and the best Truck in the world..
If you use Tatra V8,with Tatra gearbox,Tatra Cab,and Tatra awesome chassis,you have the best truck.
so the wheels are slightly offset on each side ? ... doesn't this affect where the truck's heading ?
They are as far as I'm concerned, I really love those trucks, but that offset really bothers me. I came up with a very simple solution to solve that problem and emailed Tatra group about my solution, hopefully they'll reply.
@@davidgmaster Are you sure they are actually offset? Videos like these sometimes have animation errors.
I feel like thats an oversight a truck manufacturer wouldnt overlook when a pair of universal joints on each half shaft would fix that problem.
@@isakjohansson7134 They are Offset, you can clearly see that at 0:30. No model Errors
@@Styx6292 Actually i checked a real axle on a picure and you can see that the wheels line up perfectly. Its most apparent by looking at the suspension mounting points on the axles. It is incorrectly animated.
That looks like a Daf with a Tatra logo on it.
swing axel independent suspension is very difficult,how to differencial system works ?
very attractive suspension ,this system is only one system TATRA------
Look for a video called "Pinzgauer Driveline Operation."
It was designed by the same engineer. Mr. Ledvinka.
it has crown type differential
HowkeyLL you seem to be answering a lot of questions here, I have some more for you. Are there any applications you know of that tilt the angle of the the halfshaft forward and back per side so that the wheel centerlines are realigned? seems like this would be doable with the proper ring/and pinion bevel. Also do you know of any applications which mount the ring gears higher relative to the pinions to bias rebound travel? like a ford highpinion to allow greater travel in one direction before ring gear interference? (of course the point of rotation would remain the same). Also it seems to me that a key disadvantage to this design is the torque reaction from the driveline to the suspension. it will surely induce body roll under acceleration, at least as much if not more than a solid axle type. Is there any dynamic ways this is naturally mitigated aside from stiff suspension? It seems this torque reaction takes away a few elements that would otherwise make this suspension truly independent since both wheels and their respective travel are tied together through the differential torque. for example, a one wheel obstacle is going to induce a torque reaction through both wheels and both swing axles as well as the driveline itself. its small sure, but not zero, and not truly independent. Overall I am looking for a more indepth understanding of the vehicle dynamics of this set up, let me know if you have any useful resources on the subject.
Surely wear in the drive shaft pivot pins would screw the pinion-ring gear contact and cause premature final drive wear?
Paul Fabrique well its durable enough for siberian taiga where the older models of Tatra with the same chasis work for decades.
+Paul Fabrique Each drive shaft has its own crown wheel so there is no noticable wear, in fact I have seen 30 year old Tatras still working daily in the Czech Rep.
+Allan McDigger Thanks...Could you explain? Difficult without a picture I know.... how does the crown wheel maintain perfect mesh with the bevel wheel on the half shaft as the half shaft goes up and down with suspension?
Paul Fabrique
it rotates around an axis and the axis is the center of the main shaft so basically it only rotates when the suspension gos up and down while keeping the two wheels connected constantly. they dont go apart.
If you did use a Tatra Chachi, with a Scania V8 Diesel engine, a M.A.N Gearbox, and a Daf stiringhouse, then you will have the best Truck in the world..
+Nadejda Schmidt Unfortunatley no, the Tatra V8 diesel engine is purpose designed for these trucks and off road work, the Scania engine is designed for on road work and delivers its power in a different way, the same goes for the gearbox. Tatras are already the best off road trucks in the world.
Best hevy truck you can have off road is problbly Tatra 813 Colos 8×8 with v12 aircooled biturbo engine that can tow up to 100tons in mud with no problem. So yes Tatras are best off road but especially older models are pretty uncomfortable they are noisy as fuck..
@Stian Myrdal Laursen It's a paccar engine and the fuel consumption is HIGHER than the Scania equivalent - how does that make Scania engines "inefficient"? USA has NEVER been known for building efficient engines.
Ну и где татра?
So I still think it is cheating the sam with cars and tractors.
Слишком сложная и дорогая конструкция..
aren't tatras 'endless money pit' ?
Урал, КамАЗ близко не стояли.