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Did you stab him? “Read the book”. Did you know who stabbed him? “Read the book”. Where is Ray’s white suit? “In the Cleaners”. I love Ray Lewis on the football field, but all this does seem fishy.
@@samuelbihn-wallace7991 Nah but Ray Lewis could easily pay a couple mill and get the judge to say it was a misunderstanding if he was innocent. he didnt have too. Everyone knows its destroying evidence, because that suit is a lot of evidence, enough to get them guilty.
I think there is a chance he killed someone, at the very least an accessory to murder. He tried to hide everything, that's the only reason I think he could've done it. An innocent man doesn't hide stuff like that.
Sooo, Brian Urlacher, an amazing player and good person doesn't get to be in the Hall of fame because this murderer gets his spot because of two fucking rings? Nice.
Sean Kemp Well, he's pretty damn close. They were both nominated for a position in the hall of fame. Their stats are pretty neck-and-neck. No matter what though, we still have the greatest linebacker of all time so, I guess Ray Lewis can have this one. Still though, Brian Urlacher definitely belongs in the hall of fame if you ask me and I'm pretty sure he still has a chance of making it.
Urlacher is definitely going to be in the hall of fame, I don't know why you're saying this. He's not eligible yet because it hasn't been five years since his retirement.
He shouldn't have ever been allowed to play in the NFL again after that night. Whether he did it or not, you can't let someone who intentionally covers up a murder or possibly committed murder continue to be an athletic role model on TV. Feel bad for both guys' relatives that they never got justice.
Kevin Abso-fucn-lutely!!!! He is murdering snitch. He speaks in a self righteous manner and has the audacity to do it! How dare he tell black men to stop killing each other?? lmao.......he is a joke!!
Kevin wtf are you talking about? This shit was self defense in every word. If someone comes up to you and breaks a bottle over your head and you have 11 people with you then you better kill that sob before he kills some of you.
I don't blame the uncle and he is on point when he calls out Lewis in the redemption notion. Two men are stabbed and are bleeding to death and all Ray cares about is his football career being over. If Ray was innocent he would of called 911 and made sure the victims got medical attention. Instead he loaded his limo and bolted.
There’s something about someone over stating their redemption notion over the years. It’s like a subtle way of saying I did it. What gets me is why would you run away if you didn’t do it? Could’ve at least called for help. Idk, we will never know. As much as I admire watching the guy play over the years, I can see the guilt in his eyes.
Like I mentioned before, he's been through a trial and dragged through the mud already. Then some time later after the trial when he thinks it's behind him here come this wrongful death lawsuit. With the future he had in front of him, he did right to pay them. It ain't gonna make "it" go away but will solve what they want. No more drama for him or the families. Basically what they did was put a price tag on their loved ones. That's why some of them are more angry to this day.
I just realized that in this post, you just proved my point and basically agreed with my argument! You said your belief, and mine, have no credibility ... I'm assuming that's because we've never met him ... You're basically saying the people that have met him have credibility - THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ... Ray's quote at the end of Football Life sums it up - "You don't have to respect me by me. You're going to respect me by what people who've I've come in contact with, know about me"
Weird how he turned the story into his own redemption journey and not a word about the tragedy of the two lives that were lost and the effect on their families.
It's called a wrongful death lawsuit. He settled out of court most likely to put it behind him so he could move on. You do know what a wrongful death lawsuit is right. It basically says since the plantiff didn't get jail time out of you, they want you to pay money. He had the money. Give it to them. If the money, didn't matter then they wouldn't have filed. Next....
This happened 13 years ago... Why the fuck are you still talking about it..? Quit attacking a guy who has had a great career and turned his life around from this event he unfortunately is tied to
Michael Harrison nah.......I can be mad at Ray too! He killed someone at a fucn club dude! Ya loved ones leave the housr, you expect them back! Fuck the prosecution, blame RAY! Corny ass Ray telling black men to stop killing each other, self righteous ass......lol what a fucn joke!
He answered questions all about that night, about who he saw fighting, if he saw them get stabbed, etc. - All Q's under oath ... But if you think Ray Lewis was lying during the trial and EVERYBODY who says he is a nice guy w/ good character is lying too (Who cares if they weren't there? A guy w/ good character would NOT stab people ... That's an insane act) , keep on living in your delusional world
And He was just inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame. Even if He DIDN'T harm anyone...He played a part in covering it up. Oh BTW...O.J.s clothes ended up missing as well....🤔
Why everyone soooo mad at Ray Lewis. It was said that he stabbed anyone from either side. The man changed his life after that. Why so much about that??
Unbelievable it took this long for anybody to question that night again. I mean only 2 people lost their lives....not much of a big deal and not too many people affected i'm sure. I'm just glad this didn't affect the people worship of Ray-Ray and his entrance into the HOF. If you study the case you will see neither Ray or his entourage had anything to do with the double homicide....simply bad timing.
seeing someone obviously living a happy life,being spiteful of that and wishing they burn in hell for them being exultant is...everyone grieves in their own way..but in order to get over that pain you have to forgive the one who gave you that pain..as long as he has all this jealousy for ray he is not going to live a happy life
Just saw this comment. I'm not going to comment on other cases or other criminals because I'm not ignorant and haven't research them, but I'm pretty sure they don't do all the stuff that Ray Lewis does and have his heart, compassion for people ... I know your thinking - "BS. That's all for the camera, etc.", but it is not - I've heard many whispers of stuff from people that know Ray Lewis that say he's genuine, good guy, peaceful, nice, etc. - Someone with those traits would NOT stab someone
I call it "common sense" angle because not even taking into consideration Ray's character at the time (Exceptional, hard-working, "wouldn't hurt a flea" according to teammates, "Had never gotten into a fight before" according to Marvin Lewis) that would prove he is incapable of stabbing a fellow human being, there is a ton of situations involving the case where if Ray was guilty of murder, stuff just would not have happened that did ...
I don't want none of Ray's money. I did not ask for any of it. He earned it, let him keep it. Mighty funny he was so eager to shell out the money. Won't he just tell the truth and stop avoiding the question that reporters is asking. No one is taking advantage of Ray's fame. Tell the truth..that all
But I give Billy Moore credit for what he is doing. He didn't just shut his life away after taking somebody else's. Same with Ray. We don't know if he did it or not. People act like they do but they don't lol. But Ray has done alot good for others outside of football.
Same thing I said lol. Only remember, it was a wrongful death lawsuit so all they were going to get was some type of compensation anyway. But it wasn't about justice after the trial. As you said if they thought Ray did it then why file for a wrongful death lawsuit if you want justice? To say Ray paid them off is very misinformed. They wanted the money. And he gave it to them so he could move on. If he's so innocent why pay them some would say?
This is fun. I'm not going to lie. Most of America and Ray Lewis haters are ignorant, including yourself, so I'm not going to stop debating with you until you realize how biased and baseless your hate is. That's why I won't stop defending Ray Lewis. He's my favorite athlete, reminds me of myself in that he always tries to do the right thing, is hard-working, etc. but yet is misunderstood for just being true to himself and not caring how ignorant people interpret what he does + what he says
I sincerely don't know who did what and don't care to debate it cause we just weren't there. All I know is that the argument "innocent people don't do such and such" lessens any credibility because innocent people do a plethora of things that sometimes go against common sense, from destroying evidence for fear of being accused to confessing to a crime they didn't commit. Innocent people are very often time scared people. So the argument or reasoning claiming that "innocent people" do this or don't do that just can't be used anymore. It has no value... And on a personal note, I'm surprised anyone thinks it's a valid stance, as if it gives weight to their theory🤦🏾♀️.
you have to be extra vigilant, especially when you have reached the top of the mountain in your career because there will always be haters who will do anything to knock you down.
It's not what he says, it's what he does. I see him doing things to change communities and people all the time. That's God's work. If you gonna attempt to judge him shouldn't you know all that along with what your" opinion" is about the Atlanta incident? Ray is someone that walks the good walk with faults as he's supposed to. Which enough people won't care what people like you think or villify him for.
If he is innocent of the murder and you've been in jail, dragged through the mud, and ridiculed, why wouldn't you put it behind you so you can move on? See most of us don't have 10 mill so we would value more being declared innocent to avoid paying. He had the money. And what people to want to acknowledge isn't that that's what they wanted from him. So he supposed to stop and fight these families again eight career on the season on the line and he's innocent?
By the way, I understand I didn't go into detail on the reasons I gave (would take WAY too long) of the good things ray does, the good things people say about him, etc. - Just type in on google or youtube "Ray lewis (pick a word)" and start your research buddy to form an opinion - I already gave you HW of videos to look at to confirm the claims that I made .. Still waiting on you to hand me your "research" though (and lying to police ONE time does not scar a man for life) - Still waiting
It's so easy to tell the guy is lying. Who else would've stabbed the 2 men? did a bum just randomly jump into the fight, stab them, run off, and leave no evidence at all?
The flaw in your thinking is that you want Proof that someone is not a murderer - It is impossible to prove that because how would you go about doing that, besides noting the lack of evidence and talking about the character of a person? You're calling Ray a murderer is the same thing as me calling you a murderer because "that's what I believe" - that argument backs up my claim according to you, right?
I'm not "preaching" - I'm trying to have an honest conversation w/ you to see if I am wrong in believing Ray was not involved in the killings ... That's why I am asking so many questions - I want to know your view point in this dialogue ... As I've said though, it's obvious you want this conversation to end because you have no reasoning, have not answered my questions, are not asking me any questions, and just want this conversation to end because you've got nothing to back up your claims
teacher: do you have your homework?
me: read the book to find out
teacher: are you saying you didnt do it?
me:well you gotta read the book to find out
Hey guys make sure to go buy the book
Everything about this seems fishy
More like Jeff Fishy (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Truth has a face, all they had to do is go ahead and accuse him of murder, he would have change his facade demeanor
Did you stab him?
“Read the book”.
Did you know who stabbed him?
“Read the book”.
Where is Ray’s white suit?
“In the Cleaners”.
I love Ray Lewis on the football field, but all this does seem fishy.
Read the book
@@rohantyagi7511 Straight facts.
even if your innocent, you get rid of your clothes.... innocent people go to jail for misunderstandings all the time. take no chance
i agree i think he could have gotten the blood on his suit even if someone else stabbed the two men
Samuel Bihn -Wallace destroying evidence. He could still get charhed
Was Ray the only one with missing clothes???
@@samuelbihn-wallace7991 Nah but Ray Lewis could easily pay a couple mill and get the judge to say it was a misunderstanding if he was innocent. he didnt have too. Everyone knows its destroying evidence, because that suit is a lot of evidence, enough to get them guilty.
I honestly believe that Ray Lewis did not murdered anybody but there's definitely something he isn't telling us
Richard Moran Hey Moron, I believe Ray did murdered someone, what you think bout dat?
+spd8968 hey patriots fan fuck off
+MadeLunaa Hay man no pats fan here, jus tellin like it is mama.
I think there is a chance he killed someone, at the very least an accessory to murder. He tried to hide everything, that's the only reason I think he could've done it. An innocent man doesn't hide stuff like that.
Dude said "Just read the book "lol
Sooo, Brian Urlacher, an amazing player and good person doesn't get to be in the Hall of fame because this murderer gets his spot because of two fucking rings? Nice.
How do you know he did it?
because Ray Lewis is actually the best linebacker to ever be fool. Brian Urlacher is good and all but not Ray Lewis
Sean Kemp Well, he's pretty damn close. They were both nominated for a position in the hall of fame. Their stats are pretty neck-and-neck. No matter what though, we still have the greatest linebacker of all time so, I guess Ray Lewis can have this one. Still though, Brian Urlacher definitely belongs in the hall of fame if you ask me and I'm pretty sure he still has a chance of making it.
+Windy 312 What about Zach Thomas?
Urlacher is definitely going to be in the hall of fame, I don't know why you're saying this. He's not eligible yet because it hasn't been five years since his retirement.
Ray Lewis just didn't want to snitch his boys out
He shouldn't have ever been allowed to play in the NFL again after that night. Whether he did it or not, you can't let someone who intentionally covers up a murder or possibly committed murder continue to be an athletic role model on TV. Feel bad for both guys' relatives that they never got justice.
how is that Ray Lewis fault? He didn't defend himself, prosecute himself, juror himself, or judge himself.
Kevin
Abso-fucn-lutely!!!! He is murdering snitch. He speaks in a self righteous manner and has the audacity to do it! How dare he tell black men to stop killing each other?? lmao.......he is a joke!!
RBIItv
Nope.......he just murdered people and snitched on his friends. He is a fucn jerk!
Kevin wtf are you talking about? This shit was self defense in every word. If someone comes up to you and breaks a bottle over your head and you have 11 people with you then you better kill that sob before he kills some of you.
They might get justice at the end of the book
I don't blame the uncle and he is on point when he calls out Lewis in the redemption notion. Two men are stabbed and are bleeding to death and all Ray cares about is his football career being over. If Ray was innocent he would of called 911 and made sure the victims got medical attention. Instead he loaded his limo and bolted.
jc dova what caused the fight?
Shit happens
@Rashad Sands how the fuck you know that ?
@@sword6561 Someone in rays group did murder. But no one got guilty because Ray got mullah to acquit himself or his friends (who knows who did it)
perhaps....
Buy my book! Wow!
Now this man is in the hall of fame.... Irony at its finest
How short is that book? Half a page im assuming.
I love how ray also has the nerve to always blab his mouth about god and him being gods child and being a saint when he murdered someone
Unbias Cowboy Fan I don't care how many prayers you say, you still took an innocent man away from his friends and family.You are forever a monster
Christianity believe has longest you ask God for forgiveness, God will forgive you.
i honestly don't think ray lewis killed anyone but i do believe that there are things he is leaving out. things he knows but wont come clean about.
OMG.
Those poor families,,,
what a world we now live in.No more
n fl in this house. ever.
THEY WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO THE ULTIMATE jUDGE! tHE LORD! JESUS!
Mr. AMG thats true, but God can still forgive them
Good point.
So who read his book and what did it say?
Musicrecords10 lol nobody reads this shit
Are you serious?? What person with more than 2 brain cells would waste their money on this bullshit.
The last page said “Tater killed them”....
Agreed 100%
God will handle all responsible
There’s something about someone over stating their redemption notion over the years. It’s like a subtle way of saying I did it. What gets me is why would you run away if you didn’t do it? Could’ve at least called for help. Idk, we will never know. As much as I admire watching the guy play over the years, I can see the guilt in his eyes.
The pic at 4:34 cracks me up every time 😂😂
What is the book called?
i was referring to the calls he got against the broncos (the pick six) and in the super bowl
OMG !!!
Like I mentioned before, he's been through a trial and dragged through the mud already. Then some time later after the trial when he thinks it's behind him here come this wrongful death lawsuit. With the future he had in front of him, he did right to pay them. It ain't gonna make "it" go away but will solve what they want. No more drama for him or the families. Basically what they did was put a price tag on their loved ones. That's why some of them are more angry to this day.
Make sure you are doing your part to make the world a better place around you rather than criticize those who are trying, regardless of their past.
If someone comes at you with a weapon and you stab them, how the hell are you a "murderer" if you didn't start the fight.
Because you killed that person... therefore murdering them...therefore making you a murderer
It's still murder
+myUphillgames yea but did he bring knives to a fist fight?
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mlbnhlnba124 it's called self defense
Wow
Are you innocent?
"You have to read the book to find out" 🤣😂
If there is still truth to be known, yes it will.
This is the luckiest guy in the world. Helps when you have money
So the 2 men were not into gangs and drugs, somebody was shooting at ray Lewis when they drove off. This whole thing sounds like a mess.
yea I remember this,I was hoping they didn't let him play cus he pretty much beat my raiders single handedly
The reason 2 men were dead and 2 weren't is the fact that 1 was an NFL linebacker
Ya
Who were their lawyers 😂😂
Or better yet... Who were the dumb ass prosecutors??? 👀
I just realized that in this post, you just proved my point and basically agreed with my argument! You said your belief, and mine, have no credibility ... I'm assuming that's because we've never met him ... You're basically saying the people that have met him have credibility - THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ... Ray's quote at the end of Football Life sums it up - "You don't have to respect me by me. You're going to respect me by what people who've I've come in contact with, know about me"
I never knew
I would think so.
Jealousy is such a wasted emotion
qarcon alrighty then 😂
The voices of two murdered young men calling for justice
Murderer. Plain and simple. In this society where lawyers and the legal system have made a joke out of the "justice" system, it fits.
This guy Oakley is shavy
he seems way more honest then oj Simpson.
Well, it's up there.
Weird how he turned the story into his own redemption journey and not a word about the tragedy of the two lives that were lost and the effect on their families.
Because he was not guilty
@@gottgaameHe was an accomplice
It's called a wrongful death lawsuit. He settled out of court most likely to put it behind him so he could move on. You do know what a wrongful death lawsuit is right. It basically says since the plantiff didn't get jail time out of you, they want you to pay money. He had the money. Give it to them. If the money, didn't matter then they wouldn't have filed. Next....
You obviously didn't read the book. It clearly does state that.
Whatever they say he did, he did that shit...guilty as fuck
Don't start shit & you might still be living & yea Ray did it...
They mad because the price tag was easily paid and it wasn't enough. That part of the subject can go deeper lol. But good point made.
This happened 13 years ago... Why the fuck are you still talking about it..? Quit attacking a guy who has had a great career and turned his life around from this event he unfortunately is tied to
Have anyone read the book? Please tell me who stabbed the guys
And people don't like the fact that Ray is very nicely telling the doubters, haters, racists, and so forth to kiss his ass lol.
don't be mad at Ray get mad at the prosecutors who did a piss-poor job
Michael Harrison
nah.......I can be mad at Ray too! He killed someone at a fucn club dude! Ya loved ones leave the housr, you expect them back! Fuck the prosecution, blame RAY! Corny ass Ray telling black men to stop killing each other, self righteous ass......lol what a fucn joke!
Daddy Famlittle look I don't fuck with ray but he wasn't found guilty of killing nobody obstruction of justice yeah
That Reginald guy is shady as hell.
He answered questions all about that night, about who he saw fighting, if he saw them get stabbed, etc. - All Q's under oath ... But if you think Ray Lewis was lying during the trial and EVERYBODY who says he is a nice guy w/ good character is lying too (Who cares if they weren't there? A guy w/ good character would NOT stab people ... That's an insane act) , keep on living in your delusional world
And He was just inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame. Even if He DIDN'T harm anyone...He played a part in covering it up. Oh BTW...O.J.s clothes ended up missing as well....🤔
13 years later... ya don't say....
Where is Ray’s suit.
YAll
Why even interview the dudes lawyer? Like he will give an impartial answer? Dumb.
I don't think Ray Lewis did this, but he sure as hell covered up for someone who did.
Why everyone soooo mad at Ray Lewis. It was said that he stabbed anyone from either side. The man changed his life after that. Why so much about that??
Despicable actions or no actions from Ray Lewis. Hall of Shame on you...!
And I'm talking about his friend, not Ray Lewis himself.
This is not just about Ray either..it's about all of them who took part in the murder. The truth will come out .
Wrongful death lawsuits aren't about being innocent so much. It's about getting compensation since you didn't get jail time from the indicted.
RAY LEWIS SO MUCH HEAT FOR THAT ???
R.i.p Richard Lollar
Unbelievable it took this long for anybody to question that night again. I mean only 2 people lost their lives....not much of a big deal and not too many people affected i'm sure. I'm just glad this didn't affect the people worship of Ray-Ray and his entrance into the HOF. If you study the case you will see neither Ray or his entourage had anything to do with the double homicide....simply bad timing.
seeing someone obviously living a happy life,being spiteful of that and wishing they burn in hell for them being exultant is...everyone grieves in their own way..but in order to get over that pain you have to forgive the one who gave you that pain..as long as he has all this jealousy for ray he is not going to live a happy life
Just saw this comment. I'm not going to comment on other cases or other criminals because I'm not ignorant and haven't research them, but I'm pretty sure they don't do all the stuff that Ray Lewis does and have his heart, compassion for people ... I know your thinking - "BS. That's all for the camera, etc.", but it is not - I've heard many whispers of stuff from people that know Ray Lewis that say he's genuine, good guy, peaceful, nice, etc. - Someone with those traits would NOT stab someone
Why do you have like 100 comments on here
i didnt know i said he wasnt
I saw it. I heard him. And......
I call it "common sense" angle because not even taking into consideration Ray's character at the time (Exceptional, hard-working, "wouldn't hurt a flea" according to teammates, "Had never gotten into a fight before" according to Marvin Lewis) that would prove he is incapable of stabbing a fellow human being, there is a ton of situations involving the case where if Ray was guilty of murder, stuff just would not have happened that did ...
you know someone is guilty if they have to pay to get out of a murder charge.
THE BOOK REVEALS ALL
Sacrificed two humans for the two super bowl rings..... 🤔🤔🤔
a real 1 sound bout right
@@laylowblack4428 yea and ray ended up paying millions to victims families. like thats gonna bring them back but at least ray felt guilt/sympathy
I don't want none of Ray's money. I did not ask for any of it. He earned it, let him keep it. Mighty funny he was so eager to shell out the money.
Won't he just tell the truth and stop avoiding the question that reporters is asking. No one is taking advantage of Ray's fame. Tell the truth..that all
He’s so obviously guilty!!!! Wtf
But I give Billy Moore credit for what he is doing. He didn't just shut his life away after taking somebody else's. Same with Ray. We don't know if he did it or not. People act like they do but they don't lol. But Ray has done alot good for others outside of football.
Just read the fucking book to find out
+joe lourie lol
Yea that's true. He so deserves it. He did alot for his team, the city, other players in NFL, and so more. He's gonna be missed for real.
Same thing I said lol. Only remember, it was a wrongful death lawsuit so all they were going to get was some type of compensation anyway. But it wasn't about justice after the trial. As you said if they thought Ray did it then why file for a wrongful death lawsuit if you want justice? To say Ray paid them off is very misinformed. They wanted the money. And he gave it to them so he could move on. If he's so innocent why pay them some would say?
This is fun. I'm not going to lie. Most of America and Ray Lewis haters are ignorant, including yourself, so I'm not going to stop debating with you until you realize how biased and baseless your hate is. That's why I won't stop defending Ray Lewis. He's my favorite athlete, reminds me of myself in that he always tries to do the right thing, is hard-working, etc. but yet is misunderstood for just being true to himself and not caring how ignorant people interpret what he does + what he says
I sincerely don't know who did what and don't care to debate it cause we just weren't there. All I know is that the argument "innocent people don't do such and such" lessens any credibility because innocent people do a plethora of things that sometimes go against common sense, from destroying evidence for fear of being accused to confessing to a crime they didn't commit. Innocent people are very often time scared people. So the argument or reasoning claiming that "innocent people" do this or don't do that just can't be used anymore. It has no value... And on a personal note, I'm surprised anyone thinks it's a valid stance, as if it gives weight to their theory🤦🏾♀️.
Theory:
Ray Lewis is into God Soo strong, he's asking God for forgiveness before his Judgement Day. My opinion
Guilty guilty guilty
you have to be extra vigilant, especially when you have reached the top of the mountain in your career because there will always be haters who will do anything to knock you down.
He is trying so hard to make him say ray Lewis killed them
It's not what he says, it's what he does. I see him doing things to change communities and people all the time. That's God's work. If you gonna attempt to judge him shouldn't you know all that along with what your" opinion" is about the Atlanta incident? Ray is someone that walks the good walk with faults as he's supposed to. Which enough people won't care what people like you think or villify him for.
If he is innocent of the murder and you've been in jail, dragged through the mud, and ridiculed, why wouldn't you put it behind you so you can move on? See most of us don't have 10 mill so we would value more being declared innocent to avoid paying. He had the money. And what people to want to acknowledge isn't that that's what they wanted from him. So he supposed to stop and fight these families again eight career on the season on the line and he's innocent?
By the way, I understand I didn't go into detail on the reasons I gave (would take WAY too long) of the good things ray does, the good things people say about him, etc. - Just type in on google or youtube "Ray lewis (pick a word)" and start your research buddy to form an opinion - I already gave you HW of videos to look at to confirm the claims that I made .. Still waiting on you to hand me your "research" though (and lying to police ONE time does not scar a man for life) - Still waiting
When someone reaches the top everyone always wants to pull that person down to the bottom .... haters
It's so easy to tell the guy is lying. Who else would've stabbed the 2 men? did a bum just randomly jump into the fight, stab them, run off, and leave no evidence at all?
The flaw in your thinking is that you want Proof that someone is not a murderer - It is impossible to prove that because how would you go about doing that, besides noting the lack of evidence and talking about the character of a person? You're calling Ray a murderer is the same thing as me calling you a murderer because "that's what I believe" - that argument backs up my claim according to you, right?
You have to read the book to find out 😂😂😭
I'm not "preaching" - I'm trying to have an honest conversation w/ you to see if I am wrong in believing Ray was not involved in the killings ... That's why I am asking so many questions - I want to know your view point in this dialogue ... As I've said though, it's obvious you want this conversation to end because you have no reasoning, have not answered my questions, are not asking me any questions, and just want this conversation to end because you've got nothing to back up your claims