Was Kristoph Gavin Ace Attorneys Best Or Most Flawed Villain?
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2024
- Apollo Justice Ace Attorney video?! On a VILLAIN?
Kristoph Gavin is a character i wanted to talk about for a while so i have decided to do so, i feel like he's an amazingly flawed villain in the Apollo Justice games and its fitting that he be called a boogeyman i also originally made the video with that idea before it ended up being this!
He is a lot more of a Complex villain than what people believe in my opinion, sure his motive can be considered weak but emotions control everyone especially pettiness.
i don't actually put him as the best mainly because the Phantom from dual destinies blindsided me.
this is the longest video i've made which is nice so i hope you do like it i worked hard! i also changed a lot before the upload because i wanted it to be a more relaxing experience with my own touch
Editing time: A lot.
The title is quite the tongue twister, I have no idea what I’ll do next but i quite like the idea of speaking about Godot or talking about Krisnix lmao
Opening 0:00
Part 1: The Face that was shown 0:08
Part 2: The Devil 3:20
Part 3: The Devil Cracks 6:55
Part 4: My Conclusion 12:56
Mic issues kinda but you know it isn't something i can really do i have tried to fix most of it - Hry
![The Elevator Incident [Ace Attorney Fan Comic]](/img/n.gif)
i was working on this in the background of that sparkvideo, i love Kristophs Character despite his flaws! i hope you enjoyed, i toned the editing down a bit because i want it to feel like i'm also directly speaking to you guys!
Big thanks
Edit: And apparently it needs clarifying somehow I don’t think he’s the greatest ace attorney villain” ever but he’s definitely a boogeyman type character contrary to people who I’m “going insane” I’m totally sane?
‘kristoph gavin the known lover of men, the sucker of phoenix wright’s groin area’ was NOT a line i expected this video to open with. i had to pause to regain my composure
that "the sucker" should have been a "former sucker" because there is no way he still does with the divorced husbands vibe they have going on
Im not surprised, this video is made by the same person behind that Edgeworth video, not complaining tho
The main issue about Kristoph for me is simply that I wish we’d gotten to see more of his relationship to Klavier! We get hints at it in Succession, but not enough in my opinion. It feels heavily implied Kristoph basically raised Klavier in the absence of their parents, but we don’t have anything confirming that in the game. This is Klavier’s brother we’re talking about, and an important relationship that forms both Kristoph and Klavier’s characters! I mean Kristoph most likely wasn’t always a bad brother, and that’s part of why it’s so hard for Klavier when all this is revealed. I also would’ve loved to see his mentoring of Apollo more as it’s supposed to be an important relationship to Apollo’s character, but we barely get any insight into it before Kristoph is in handcuffs, and we don’t see Apollo to torn up about it throughout the game. He was mentored by this man for a year!
Yeah they dropped the ball on The brothers in his game
Turnabout Trump may have been the game's best case but I feel like it would have been enhanced if it was at least the first case instead of a tutorial case so we can actually see how Apollo and him interact and have the plot twist twist even more with the revelation but also being able to see the hints of what kind of guy he is in hindsight, like how Trials and Tribulations handled Dahlia's screentime more effectively
"Also Apollo tops him by the w-"
After your excellent Edgeworth video I need you to elaborate on this
I too request full video breakdown about how we know klav bottoms.... 0. 0
So a couple of extra things I have about Kristoph: first, it took me a few playthroughs and watching others' to realize that the "Devil" Vera mentions seems to refer specifically to the back of his scarred right hand, namely when it tenses up and resembles a ghoulish visage.
Second, those black Psyche-Locks are given some more elaboration in Dual Destinies, being described as representing a secret someone keeps subconsciously, without even being aware of it, and forceful attempts to remove them by presenting evidence evidence can cause permanent emotional and spiritual damage, i.e. what basically seems to have happened to Kristoph at the end of Turnabout Succession.
Kristoph is a character I wish would just come back. He's too interesting of a character to be relegated to a single game that is never referenced in the series.
Right like Von Karma haunted that series for 3 games despite being the prosecutor in only one case. Kristoph deserves the Von Karma treatment
Killers never reappear in the series unless it’s a flashback
Shelly dekiller and Franksawhit.
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Shelly wasn’t convicted like Kristoph and Frank reappeared as a 10th anniversary celebration of the first game
He may not of been convicted but he was still a killer. The point still stands that they're willing to bring back past villains outside of flashbacks they just don't do it that much.
Your dedication to this character analysis that you even read fanfic for (when you really didnt need to) is inspiring
That was the most jaw dropping first five seconds of a video i have ever heard
Please Capcom give us Klavier Gavin: Investigations.
Think of the potencial, his proter investigating all his brother cases to see how many lives he ruined
Gotta say your editing style is insane even if it drowns out your words at times. Funny and informative.
I think my main issue is I talk too fast without even realising
The start had me choking 😭
Manfred Von Karma: Hold my cane
I kind of like Spark Brushel honestly. Out of all the journalist characters in Ace Attorney, Investigations, Great Ace Attorney and the Layton Crossovers he's the ONE journalist character who ISN'T either a culprit or some self-serving bint *cough*Lotta Heart and Nicole Swift*cough*
Is he weird? Yeah, but at least he's forth-coming with information.
he's a weird, gross looking dude, but he's the one witness who NEVER lies or is mistaken about what he saw or lets his distraction by other things make him miss or forget details.
@@sarafontanini7051fr. He's the only actually good journalist in all of japanaforniaverse
your channel is immaculate, I'm so glad I've found you
I love these videos so much. Plus its on Kristoph so +5 aura
the way you pronounced Tete-a-Tete and Klavier will haunt me in my sleep wth
I'll do more than haunt you
@@Chazza_SR 😱
Factually, none of the Fanon ways to say Klavier are correct. Now, my fave is "Clay-vier" i guess but if we're going by ZE KORREKT GERMAN PRONOUNCIATION it would be "Cluh-via" (source: I'm german) with emphasis on the second syllable since his name is not an actual first name but just the fucking german word for piano. So imho every way to pronounce Klavier is wrong lol
You've gotta follow this up with a klapollo video
theres a strong possibility i'm working on that..
@@Chazza_SR we're so back
Funny, he's actually my favorite villain in the series barring maybe Gant and Calisto.
It's a mix of terror and amusement for them and just plain terror for Krissy.
Honestly the biggest problem with him is that he feels more like Phoenix villain, than Apollo and Klavier villain, wich makes him somewhat underwhelming since this is supposed to be Apollo's story, not Phoenix (i really like him having involvement with him, and being the reason that Phoenix lost his badge, but it feels like they could do more with him to tie him better to the other characters), so the villain should be someone who has more involvement with the protagonist. Also it feels odd how we barely know how Klavier feels about his brother being a actual criminal, i wish we got more interactions between these two and a insight on Klavier
Kristoph ligitmently scares me too. Like... His pettiness is literally the perfect motivation for a boogyman, it makes the atrocities he commits seem even more senseless. To me he is worse then the phantom cuz of it. Like the phantom has proper motive and crap but kristoph is just bonkers. Speakin of phantom pleaSe tell me ur makin a vid on him sbjssboeb
Also Dude i freakin love ur vids so much, the editing, visual and voice over combined creat the perfect sensory overload. Also helps u w ur stats cuz u gotta watch it like 3 times to get all the stuff happining
Ps Found u thru the impeccable scientific proof of edworths bottom status and gotta say im waiting in the wings for klavers turn now too.... ,,0. 0,,
This is just your excuse to read fanfiction, I know what you are
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It's funny, the most cold, evil, slick, silver tongued Devil in the west, is evil, because Zak chose Phoenix as his defense attorney over him.
The Devil is strong but petty.
i thought that was enoch drebber in the thumbnail given the filter
Imo he is only max "good" villain but not amazing
Cause of several reasons
This is my opinion on him.
1.Underutulization
Kristoph is not given enough screen time to fully develop his character. His appearances are limited
It honestly felt like capcom forgot he existed and then at the last second they realize "ooh he is the final villain"
He appears for like a hour in 4-4 which is insulting
2.lack of foreshadowing
In the earlier parts of the game, there is little foreshadowing of Kristoph's true nature.
3. His relation to Apollo and Klavier
It is laughable to be frank. Why wasnt this relationship developed.
Why should I care about kristoph if apollo does not?
Same goes to kristoph and klavier relationship- i didnt care about it
4. You dont give the final blow to his plans which makes it less satisfying - it is also worse cause apollo forgets about the jurist system which is insulting to his character.
5. His plan for framing phoenix for disbarrment.
Oh god - the stupid disbarrment
Putting aside that this is completely out of character for phoenix to fall for this trick
Kristoph's plan for disbarring phoenix relies purely on luck(that phoenix will present it and everyone being an idiot).
This honestly makes kristoph kinda pathetic and not really smart to not plan anything cohesive.
6.this is bias argument here but his motive is a bit too petty imo.
And ergo not compelling.
7. His actions does not make characters develop. This is an easy one
No characters develop especially trucy which is a shame
Apollo doesnt develop cause well his relationship with kristoph sucks in writing pov
And Klavier was already caring for the truth from the get go so no development
And phoenix is contradictory so not him either
8. His involvement in 4-1
Kristoph is really obvious culprit
His twist is only for shock value
Logic on why he is accused does not make sense(calling victim bald) since he could have said that he saw his head after they greeted each other before the murder
Also when apollo and phoenix accused Kristoph of lying about seeing the murder scene through the small window (after revealing the secret tunnel), Kristoph could have easily countered that argument by stating that he saw the scene AFTER the actual murder,set up the scene and escaped through the tunnel.
Moreover, there's not an iota of conclusive evidence indicating his presence inside the room. I don't know why he didn't argue right there which makes him again not smart for plot reasons - so he is inconsistent. Sometimes he is smart sometimes he isnt.
You know what would be in character for him?
To not say to phoenix that Shadi was bald cause that came out as unnatural and have him claim that he was there at the scene of the crime to protect phoenix from being accused. He would argue that he tampered with the scene to make him less suspicious and this would make him more smart but nope
Frankly I think this twist shouldnt be in 4-1 cause not only it is illogical but it also make him really underwhelming
Still a good villain but I cant see why fans will call him amazing since he has this many problems
this video is the embodiment of adhd in a good way
Absolute throat GOAT Kristoph Gavin will always be one of my favorite characters lol
7:07 aai2-3 moment
Yes
the best Villain in my opinion was Bobby Fulbright.
8:21
I think a lot of it comes from the fact that his story arc was seemingly abandoned. Shu Takumi seemed to have created Kristoph as the next Manfred von Karma, a story that also factored into Phoenix's disbarment and all the other mysteries in Apollo Justice. Then Takumi stopped working on the main series, the new writers tried to win back the fans by giving Phoenix his badge back, and Duel Destinies took the story in a completely new direction.
Now, I like Duel Destinies and Spirit of Justice. I like Athena Cykes and Simon Blackquill. But I do kinda wanna see what would've happened if we stuck to the original arc. From what we've seen in Apollo Justice, I think he had the potential to be one of the most terrifying villians in the entire series.
He's the best mainline villain, but not the best villain in the entire franchise. That honor goes to...
MASSIVE SPOILERS!!
Simon Keyes.
you cant just start videos like that
this vid fucking sucks