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Wadkin CP32 Panelsaw overview
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- čas přidán 28. 11. 2019
- You may have seen my video of Hammer and Felder Woodworking machinery when I was considering buying a new saw or combination machine. I never did take the plunge back then, deciding instead to hold out until we got a new bigger workspace, and to get a really good dedicated panelsaw.
In the meantime I kept an eye out for machines and an ear open to anyone talking about what's good and what's not. I learnt that Martin is probably the most desirable, with Altendorf a close second, and Felder, SCM, mostly spoken highly of, and mixed opinions of Robland. And plenty other options besides!! I considered a brand called Genisis as a new purchase. I also strongly considered the well priced iTech brand from Scott & Sargeant after a recommendation from @Ben Cartwright_joinery
I looked at 'bargain' old quality machines on ebay but they left a lot of uncertainty and always seemed like a risk. In the end I decided my best option for quality and value was a well built old machine supplied by a machinery supplier with some experience, credibility and know-how - rather than just any old ebay seller.
So when I saw this Wadkin CP32 for sale not too far away in Mansfield I went to see it and was quicly persuaded this was the right purchase!
I own a CP38 - had it for 7+ years and took the scoring blade off because it didn't line up with the blade. Never noticed that little lever because it was tucked up under the table. Found your video by chance because I love the machine, now has the scoring blade back on and lines up perfectly.
Enjoy your saw I still marvel at mine every time I use it!!!!
Kenny Riach I only just saw this comment... yes it seems a strange place for the lever! I’m glad this video helped you!!
You wont regret buying that looks in great condition, if brady is the one gonna use it the most make sure you keep him involved with the purchase. Important that employees feel part of the business. Best of luck with it👌
Key Components Shane Smith I’ve been keeping Brady in the loop and discussing options over the months since looking at the hammer combi machines. I think he’s going to LOVE using this saw compared to how things are at the moment!!
Hey, the handle you describe a being useful to "push" is actually a "butt bar". If you place it really close behind you (thus the "butt" reference), when you walk backwards, the whole carriage will retreat without you having to pull on the cross cut fence. We have big slider saws (Martin from Germany) here in our shop and LOVE using them.
Looks awesome. Definitely the way to go . Second hand high quality over modern low end 👍. Looking forward to watching your business grow .
boss 212 thanks
The quality of the older machines is so much better than what they build today, A lot cheaper and much better build quality. Can’t loose with this deal
lockystocky1 true, can’t wait to get it!
Congratulations on the new saw and shop.
Stuart Cairnie thanks!
Alastair,
Great video. I use a saw like this one every day. I suggest you make a mark on the top of the fence about 4 inches away from the back. This mark will indicate when the fence is behind the edge of the saw blade, allowing you to safely crosscut without binding the wood. There are no riding knifes on these saws and they will kickback or bind. Good luck!
there is a riving knife on this saw
Hi mate, just came across your channel. I have the exact same saw, though mine is in the typical Wadkin green. I'm a big fan of older machinery, sure they don't have the electric movements or digital readouts but it doesn't matter to me. All my stuff is this vintage or older.
Congrats on a great channel!
Thanks for commenting! I’ve not really seen this saw anywhere else, so nice to meet another owner! Do you find the scribing blade is prone to drifting out of position?
@@Alastair_Freebird Actually mine doesn't have the lateral movement of the scribe, only has the rise & fall. That must have been something added on later models.
Other than that everything else looks identical.
That's interesting and surprising, as I would have thought some lateral adjustment is a must
@@Alastair_Freebird I'm sure it's adjustable, but by means of loosening bolts rather than the lever type adjustment on your saw. I've never needed to touch it.
Ive used these type of saws for years, 13 makers in one workshop running all day long, all of them setting and resetting the thing all the time you wont be disappointed. So long as you do your regular checks on accuracy and adjust all the bits ( that very really need doing ) your laughing good luck with everything.
Very nice saw that 👌
So great having that amount of travel on the table. The workshop I share has a Hammer and it's great for what it is, but I'd dearly love a huge sliding table like that. 👍
Black Tea One Sugar yeah I’m glad I went the whole hog, a few people have told me they regretted getting a shorter sliding table
Very nice indeed. Looking forward to seeing your new workshop- it must be large to fit this in!
Morgan Skinner I’m looking forward to showing everyone more of the workshop in due course!
Wadkin is top quality equipment, I've got a table saw from the 70's, heavy cast iron with no play or vibration, plus I used to work in the aerospace production industry in the 90' s and they used Wadkin cnc pattern cutting machines to cut out aluminium parts from 8x4 sheets on vacuum suction table. Very impressive machines
That’s interesting I didn’t know they did CNCs
@@Alastair_Freebird they did back then, not sure about now, they were accurate down to 005" of an inch. Very good for aerospace as there were all sorts of weird shapes. I can't remember how the programming was done as I didn't do it but for the manual patterns we worked off of lofts as in boat building, full sized drawings. I was a sheet metal worker
Very cool. Looking forward to seeing it in action in a future vid. Hope the move is going well.
Wow, I’m so excited for you. What a bargain and what a machine, a must for your business. Keep a lookout for a decent spindle moulder!
Mike S thanks yeah it’s a great machine!! There were quite a few spindle moulders at Kevin’s warehouse. But I really don’t think we need one yet for the work we currently do, we are doing fine with router tables. It’s really tempting to get all the proper kit but I think it’s only going to pay off if we stay focused 👍
Good luck with the move hope all works out
This will be leagues ahead of the alternative you were considering and you'll be able sell it on when you retire.
Jimmy Mack true 👍
What a great, well designed and built saw .
Really looking forward to seeing the new workshop and how you go about setting it up to just how you want it . Really pleased for you that you can make this jump forward with the business.
R J JOINERY thanks!
I think this panel saw maybe made of parts common to other machines -the sliding table looks exactly like those on the earlier Altendorf F45 and the Egurko Ortza panel saws
Ive often wondered if the Wadkin panel saws are any good as they are generally available pretty cheaply, this video shows the build quality is excellent
I do think they are solidly built but I have been told they were known for some creeping inaccuracies
@@Alastair_Freebird I think the best way to buy a panel saw is get one from a dealer that’s been properly refurbished, like you did. Years ago I bought a new Robland panel saw - and to be fair it was pretty good - the sliding table worked perfectly for 15 years no probs, but I’m not sure I’d want to buy an old one that had been mistreated, they aren’t built to the standards of your Wadkin.
I’m hoping to upgrade to an Altendorf or Martin next year, but I shall keep the Wadkin in mind as an option after seeing this video. Great channel by the way
@@notch7139 Glad you like the channel! Honestly I'd go with Altendorf or Martin from what I've heard! Markfield Woodworking Machinery are a good supplier to work with.
Hi Alistair looks like you've had a lot to consider over recent months workshop looks a decent size pleased you've gone for a stand alone panel saw wise move in my opinion. Looks like a good machine well built and a good price point. Really wish you well with the transition and look forward to seeing the journey unfold 👍
He bought my old wadkin table saw nice chap 👍🏻
Jack Keen you don’t mean this same one do you?!
Freebird Interiors no it wasn’t a sliding saw just a big blade wadkin rip saw
thats a nice tablesaw. I´ve one like that using same slidding raiils. No maintenance since i bought it, 22 years ago :). Egurko Hortza SE 320
Any other machine in his workshop that interests you to purchase, that walk-in is a steal, looks an awesome slider 👊🏻
Byakko. A big extractor! Waiting to hear if it’s available as it might be already taken
These big machines second hand are very good value but you got to have the room for them.
Yeah a proper panel saw is a space hog!
Go for it - Its in good shape -
That is one serious piece of kit Alex. I’m sure you’ll go from strength to strength. You could possibly widen out into bespoke kitchens now that you’ve got a dedicated unit. Interested in what made you opt for a table saw over a vertical panel saw?
Wayne Middleton I looked very seriously into buying a vertical panel saw some years ago. I think the panelsaw will do the job better and quicker.
Looks a great machine, very similar in design to our Altendorf. You will be amazed at how good and quickly you can dimension your sheet material with that. You ought to see if there is a spindle moulder for sale there, so much better and more efficient than a router table for your mouldings/rebates/ grooves etc. Good luck with your new workshop.
Gary Blake he does have a lot of spindle moulders so doubtless I would get a good price. We are not doing any big mouldings in house so I planned to stick with router tables. Can you run me through what I’m missing though, I’ve never used a spindle, what would be the advantages, even for small grooves and mouldings?
Hmm if you keep expanding with toys like this I'll come knocking for a job 😁 wonder if you'll need a large wheeled table/trolley for wheeling stuff from saw to bench etc, I think manor wood had rather a flash one that was height adjustable.
No Skills I am planning to have a few wheeled benches, there is a place called John Burley’s in Swinton not too far from me that buys and sells used metal racking and they also used it to build the frames for wheeled workbenches!
@@Alastair_Freebird ahh sounds very handy, should make life easier in the new shop.
Cant beat an old wadkin dim saw
Was it made in Leicester or somewhere else?
Remember the factory and tools they made - went round the factory with my dad years ago. Good stuff!
Congratulations, I know you have been wanting a slider for sometime! Why would you expect more play on a new Hammer unit?
Hi! I was comparing the feel of this sliding table to the movement that I remembered when I did the same check on the hammer machines at the felder showroom in this video: czcams.com/video/TOEQZfCTeyI/video.html
Yes, the Wadkin looks to be much more of a saw than even the 500 Felder. Looks like the factory repainted part of the saw when reconditioned-paint does not look
same in places. A superior saw will always be better than a lesser even if you have to buy new parts.
You may consider getting a saw or other machines with digital readout. I have dig on saw, planer and spindle moulder and it has saved me hours trying to duplicate an earlier setting. Yes, money involved, but, once you invest like I did you have to kick yourself for not doing it earlier. And, resale is much better with digital readings at hand. I make furniture and wood products here in Chicago.
Vincent Rolfe thanks for this comment you clearly have knowledge and experience. I had really never even used a panelsaw before this purchase! And I am still getting used to it. It’s a good saw to get started with. But I can already see how useful digital readouts and automatic adjustments would be. I spend a lot of time walking all around the saw!
@@Alastair_Freebird Example of the digital world: make 12 antique gun boxes and client wants lock miter box joints. The lock miter is a two or three dimensional challenge and even with digital Felder shaper settings it can try your mind. I forgot one sampler end and found a box wall with only one end with lock miter. Luckily I had recorded
the fence position, spindle height and not removed the lock miter router bit (Bosch $98 USD) from the spindle. I reattached the out rigger fence, installed the spindle to same height and moved back to the same fence position. Cut a piece of scrap of same thickness and was dead on. 15 minutes; no swear words or tears. The later model Felder shaper has a linked system as my 8-9 year old machine requires some resetting of all three dimensions. Running finger joints for boxes on the Martin with digital fence, blade-dado height and other setting is impossible without the digital setting for running a series from orders 2 months apart. With a jig I can run 14 walls at once with moving the digital fence according to a Martin program. I did not realize this until the necessity made me think. 120 box order X 8 cuts/box can take 8 hours on the Martin. Perfect fit with no sanding after
the gluing. No box joint saw blade kit can come close. So get the digital readout and eat cheese sandwiches for a while if money is tight. hahaha
Beautiful machine they don't make them like that anymore.
Are you going to invest in an Edgebanding machine?
David Murray edgebanding not yet. We are maxing out on available loan (or at least the amount we are comfortable taking at the moment) and as a first phase I reckon investing in the kit that is going to significantly speed up the type of work we already do makes most sense. Sanding mdf edges for spraying is faster than edgebanding (at least it is when you can batch sand a lot of edges together because they’ve been accurately cut to same width) and does not require an expensive, space hogging, and technically complex bit of kit like an edgebander! Currently I see no reason to stop using Lawcris to cut and edge the melamine we use for wardrobes, so long as we are keeping ourselves busy enough with the other processes. I do plan on getting a conturo when we have built up some cash again. And to start moving into processing our own melamine (cutting and drilling) once we are well up and running with the CNCmachine)
Your going to need a really big space for that serious piece of kit
jonathan Delaney it is a pretty big space - big enough!
bargain! felder build quality at a good price. now you can afford a big felder planer! ;o)
Will you ask wadkin engineer to come in a do a complete check on the machine
MySchizo Buddy Kevin’s given it a thorough clean, check and calibration and things are running smoothly both in the sliding carriage and the bearings in the saw parts judging from the sound of them
Going to pick up any other tools whilst you're there?
Sam Rix there is a tall extractors suitable for mdf dust at a bargain price that’s big enough to run a few machines off. I want it but he’s going to get back to me because it was reserved for someone else who’s gone quiet.
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Lovely saw but no imperial measurements.
Can I just say, and I'm sure you're aware, it's a bit distracting when you don't talk to the camera lens as opposed to the screen...
Bad Robot you mean, I’m looking a little to the side, not looking right at you as you watch? Never thought about this. I think it will be hard to stop!!
It happens when you look at screen and not the lens. It takes time to learn, because it’s doesn’t come easy to talk to the lens, but it’s really worth it for the way it personalises you’re videos, which btw are very instructive!!
I appreciate your constructive criticism - it’s valuable! Is this a bit of a known phenomenon that people need to get over when taking selfie videos then? It will be a challenge - I like to check how I’m framing the shot on the screen. But I can see that it will help to connect better of I’m actually ‘looking people in the eye’ 👍
Freebird Interiors framing....I think you might find that easier if you can get something to put the camera further away from yourself. Really, this all depends on how much time you have for making content!