The Flame of Ruin lore | A prophecy unbound | The Fire Monk's Heresy | Elden Ring
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- In this video we go continue our exploration of the Flames in Elden Ring. We explore the Flame of Ruin or the Giant's Flame, as well as the Fire Monks, the Fire Giants, and the First Cardinal Sin.
Table of Content:
0:00. Introduction
0:25. The Flame of Ruin
2:40. The War with the Giants
5:09. The Fall to Heresy
7:36. The First Cardinal Sin
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【BGM】
Elden Ring OST:
Character Creation
Roundtable Hold
Great Underground Rivers
Ending - Hry
idk about Radagon, but red heads are beautiful~
Edit: Ok... Radagon's red hair.. (God this is gonna be like the Empyrean interpretation again isn't it. KMN)
Just to preface this, I could be totally wrong about his hair, but I thought this was the most common and interesting theory about it. Since Marika and Radagon were one in the same, I guess people including me assumed he had golden hair before, seeing as Marika has no affiliation with the fire giants at all, since she's confirmed to be Numen. The curse of the fire giants could have been placed on Marika but was "transferred" to Radagon instead, or even that Marika herself took on the curse (to create the Kindling Maiden) herself. In any case, the mention of the Giants, Radagon despising his red hair, and a curse implies that the hair is a curse of some kind and radagon is inflicted by it. How or Why is a question to ponder for the future.
Truer words were never spoken, my dude. I see a redhead and that fire above straightaway gets me thinking 'bout that fire below ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Too bad hollywood wants to get rid of us all.
No item descriptions needed for this one
You don't think Radagon is beautiful, bro?
Don't know about Radagon, but Radahn is waifu material.
Is it only me who finds it weird that marikas first church is in mountaintops of giant? And subsequent churches slowly move toward limgrave
That depends! Her felling their God, a threat to the ErdTree, might have been the most important achievement of her life in the yes of her followers.
Creating a church there to honor her, would make sense.
Yes I think it's very significant.
How? No idea
Actually makes sense if you think about it. She doesn't really become a capital G God until the Golden Army snuffs out the Flame of Ruin atop the Mountain. So the First Church basically marks her victory and ascension. The second sits not far from her chosen capital. And the latter ones mark her conquests through Limgrave and the Weeping Peninsula.
@@brentgarrison6245 This is the theory I'm leaning toward as well. Someone may not be the local "god" until you've won control of the region on behalf of your outer god and thus de-throning the god of the giants needed to happen first, and so they started installing churches to her after the victory (seemingly starting with the place where she gave her pre-battle pep-talk for the defeat of the giants, based on the quotes Melina offers us there.)
The Carians also came from the Mountaintops region.
I'm convinced that the majority of the giants were deathcursed and that that's why they have the giant barbs through their chest. It would make a lot of sense to me. The giants were so powerful that Queen Marika had to resort to deathcursing them.
Yeah , i can imagine a hundred knights using sin flame exploit rolling around giants
I’m fairly certain that the rune of death manifests in the lands between akin to the erdtree, as a root. As death is supposed to be a part of the elden ring so too does death manifest from the erdtree. I think this is why deathroot has spread because of the curse mark infused within Godwynn’s body. However given it is only half of the rune of death that is why we have those who live in death, graced beings who have touched the rune of death, the anathema to the erdtree and thus the golden order. With their souls dead but bodies alive they imitate the state of godwynn as the half mark of death spreads throughout the lands between as deathroot, inadvertently cursing any who come upon it. I think before marika plucked the rune of death from the elden ring she used it to kill the giants, hence why they are not reborn and their bodies are tattered with the root of death.
Maliketh had the rune of death, before Ranni stole it. Maybe he was sent to fight the giants. I haven't seen mention of that though. I think it's much more likely to be thorns of punishment, with all the references to it nearby.
Here's a thought I had.
Prometheus was a Titan that betrayed Zeus by giving fire to man. As a result, he was chained down as Zeus's eagle, Aquila, consumed his liver while he was still alive. Zeus cursed Prometheus to live eternally, healing each day to feed the beloved pet the next.
The trolls are all missing their guts and innards. The frozen giant corpses are missing theirs too. It makes me wonder if fire didn't nest in their bellies, and part of their surrender was to be disemboweled, as Prometheus was. The trolls got to live undying lives, the giants who rebelled? Destined Death was unleashed upon them. It has to have been so...for how else did Marika slay a God?
She didn't. The Fell God lives, and you see it's power when the last fire giant sacrifices it's leg to it.
@@arlom5132
Slaying means something different to Gods and beings of the like.
To die means it has simply been rejected from that reality or world. It's influence has obviously been lessened.
The description that references radagon's red hair says "perhaps it is a curse OF the giants"
Since they don't say FROM, I took it to mean radagon had ties to the giants.
Or rather, I took it to mean radagon's existence was the direct result of the giants themselves.
The war against the giants was clearly fought by Marika, whereas every conflict referenced after this war was headed by radagon himself. If he existed at this time, why would he not be the one leading the golden orders forces against the giants?
My extremely loose theory is that, just how Marika cursed the giant to tend the flame forever, the giants cursed her to forever be two entities at odds with each other. Perhaps her curse was retribution.
I could see that being the case, maybe in the fell God's dying breath it uttered such a curse. We really don't much info to go off of, which makes me think we will see a dlc centered around how Marika/Radagon came to be a thing.
I would be very wary of making a theory based on a preposition since the lore is technically translated. Perhaps if you look at the original text you will gain a better insight, sadly I don't know japanese myself
@@sebastianirala7714 it's a one sentence description. What if they mistranslated the word "giant" or "red"? I really don't understand the point you're making.
A preposition changes the entire statement. How would I even interpret that sentence without it?
@@patrickkinnear8625 because there have been major mistranslations in the souls games before due to the structure of the Japanese language being entirely different to English. it's unfortunate but it's always been present.
the most significant one for elden ring that I've seen was the mistranslation for rannis ending.
this guy was just saying be "wary" of forming theories around words like "from" and "of" because these words DO make a difference, but they are not always used correctly when translated from Japanese to English.
It sucks because you have to be absolutely fluent in Japanese or wait for someone else who is to translate the text for you to view in order to get the "real lore".
@@jarensmith3133 so, should every item description be disregarded as potentially mistranslated?
Great video! Is Radagon's "cursed" red hair the earliest historical reference to Radagon? I'm wondering if the curse from the giants had something to do with Marika becoming 2 entities
It's probably more of a historical happenstance.. Radagon, being born with Red Hair, would be bothered by the now-extinct Giants in the future due to it's meaning, comparison, etc. I
t is not precedent for him taking part in the War against the Giants or existing back then.
@@Big_Dai that's fair - if not this, then what is the earliest recorded event that Radagon was involved in?
@@jarbairnthejar4937 I think that would be when he came to the lands between to conquer it, which was the first time he met Rennala and fell in love with her. I think he was supposed to be like Marika in that he came from another land to the Lands Between. Whether that means they were separate people or were the same person at that time I got no clue.
Maybe the curse they gave him also cursed malenia with the scarlet rot and Miquela with being a kid
@@danielchang4671 Well we know Malenia was cursed specifically by an Outer God, so we can probably rule that out. Even the notion of a literal "curse" from the giants is speculative. But we get so few details around Radagon's personality that even his shared characteristics to a former enemy is fascinating.
The different interpretation of the Giant's Red Braid is surprising to me. I thought it was pretty clear - That Radogan's hair was originally red and it bothered him because it was the same colour as the giants that he had to kill. When it says "Perhaps that was a curse of their kind", to me it implies that it's not actually a real curse but a more metaphorical one. It wouldn't even make much sense for them to change the colour of his hair; by what power do they have to lay such a curse, and why do it for something so trivial?
As revenge for what he did to them, the giants secretly changed radagons shampoo with hair dye.
@@GoldenDaemonas hahaha
My interpretation is that, even if the connection is purely metaphorical, it still represents some greater symbolic connection between Radagon and the giants - which is still a mystery well worth exploring
Tbh I followed the interpretation from a reddit post cause I thought it was interesting, I ofcourse could be wrong but it is weird that Radagon has red hair but Marika doesn’t and they’re one in the same. It also feels weird for them to put the Giants, Radagon, and the mention of a curse in one item description. But yeah I could totally be wrong.
But Radagon and his children are the only ones with red hair in the entire game and Radagon's hair turns red from blonde when you finally encounter him. I figured the giants "curse" being so weak was a result of their near extinction. Marika's curse forces a lifetime of Sisyphus-like labor while the giants curse barely affects a guy physically and it goes to show how desolate the giants are
Soooooo just thought of something 😮 I’d been puzzling over Melina’s dialogue about the flame and destined death. Your video talking about the prophecy to burn the erdtree made something click with me. I’m not really one that believes the idea that souls games have lore crossovers or shared history. However, after watching I thought about Ariandel and the Corvian in the Corvian settlement. “When the world rots we burn it away. Oh please, make the stories true..Fire for Ariandel.” This is an inexact quote but all endings require we burn the erdtree before a new era can commence. Paintings need to be burned to be renewed 😧
I did wonder sometimes if elden ring is the painting that the maiden created at the end of the dark souls series, I think metaphorically it probably is, Miyazaki ending one world and creating a new one
Nice, I wanted to hear more about the storm giant that Godfrey slayed. I could be wrong about who slayed him but there was a storm giant and I think the giant skull might be his corpse.
Great lore series can't wait for the next video
Marika and Radagon’s portraits are absolutely stunning. Incredibly beautiful people - which is kinda weird, seeing all the hardships and terrible things they’ve done + all of the children they’ve had 🤷♂️ I expected them to at least look worn out or like, tired. But nope - two crazy hot people in matching robes with flowing hair.
Well they're a god so....
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Amazing video as Always:,-)
Great video dude. Honestly the dead giants dont look like they died from deathblight at all. Its clear the spears are made from a tree so id say its some power from the Erdtree itself. Also looks like they were impaled from behind and possibly above.
Hey man appreciate the content, I would love it if you boosted the volume of your videos by about 100%. I have my speakers maxed and I can barely hear you if I have any background ambience going on. Cheers!
The whole fire and giants really remind me of DS2 and drangleic
Being cursed to be a ginger is a fate worse than death
Lol. I'm cursed but i embrace it haha
Radagon when he randomly woke up one morning and his hair was red:
"The War against the Giants. Champions battle, Trolls betray. Fire vanquished, the era of the Erdtree begins."
As per my understanding, Marika desired a world free of "Destined Death", so she removed the Rune of Death from the Elden Ring.. becoming eternal herself and her children! But what about everything else? I assume every living being to be safe from Death! As Malekith says : "Why covet Destined Death? To kill what?".
This War probably happened before this Elden Ring change.. And we also know that the Giants were hunted and killed with "Giant-Crushers" (+21 and above as per Smithing Stones) and nothing particularly special. Well, and the usage of "Flame, Protect Me" and Godfrey himself, a GIANT-Axe-wielder.. and Radhan, wielder of Giant Weapons (and Gravity Magic at that point?).
Now, what the Giants have coming out of their body (and in other locations where there's no body at all) is akin to wood/thorns/briar. They could have sprouted under their carcasses, but that would be too coincidental. So, maybe it is something that grew out of them? Thorns on bodies/corpses are only found throughout the game due to 3 concepts : Sin (Briar Sorcery), Death/Deathroot from Godwyn the Golden and what seems to be the Erdtree protecting itself (or Radagon or whoever put that there). And these tree-like shaped growths have adornments/shapes you'd find in weapons and architecture. But they make me think they were carved out of them, instead of being that way originally. One could think that these are carved to honor them!? But who would do that? Who would respect the Giants so? The Fire Monks, Prelates, heretics and the likes? That also does NOT explain these objects in other locations where there are no bodies!
And only a FEW things in-game cause Death Blight. While thorny and similar to Briar Magic. It just doesn't look like those things.
Still, the Eclipse Shotel, Fia's Sorcery (which I'm sure didn't exist back then) and Death Lightning (Fortisaxx being corrupted by Godwyn's Death, much later in the story). Basilisks are nowhere near there, or used as weapons during War as far as we know! Now, the Eclipse Shotel (found in Castle SOL - Mountaintops) mentions that an Eclipse is cause for "dreadful awe". Maybe an Eclipse of sorts was the cause? Could Marika make an Eclipse? Marika, being the Vessel for the Elden Ring, could just impart DEATH on things, which would probably cause that effect on the Giants.. but ALL of them? Why send Godfrey, Radhan, Trolls and many more to War if she just killed them all? In the end, what comes out of Godwyn does NOT look like those things at all.
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Moving along, it's also known that Red Glintstones were discovered by people "exiled" to the North.
Briar magic is said to be "shed by one's own hand in penance for sins". Giants failing to protect the Fell God (destroyed by Marika), to protect themselves and their clan, or their Flame..
"The Fire Giants borrowed from the power of a fell god, and still they were defeated. Yet their failure released them from their solitary curse: to serve as keepers of the Flame for eternity."
By being released from their solitary curse.. could they have decided to simply die with (what could be assumed to be their) Briar Magic? Thankfully, we have at least ONE living Giant! One that lets us know they bleed (red), much like the root-having Trolls that inhabit the Mountaintops as well.
Probably not! As just being released from the curse meant Death itself.
NOTE : Why do the traitorous Trolls (known as slaves and descendants from the Giants) have roots where their abdomen should be (along with some kind of tablet)? Could this just be a natural occurrence of their bodies?
Additionally, and not as interesting as I thought.. By sequence breaking the game, you can reach Farum Azula before burning the Erdtree.
If you get the Flame of Frenzy, losing Melina in the process.. and subsequently losing said Flame of Frenzy with Miquella's Needle : You still use yourself as kindling to burn the Erdtree. Probably the default option when Melina is gone, since there's no way to achieve this otherwise.
Much like how I would expect sequence breaking the game, and getting Ranni's Death Mark (sequence breaking into Nokron) does not cause Rogier to say anything else.. since it simply wasn't programmed in.
Nice video. but hey what armor pieces did you use in this video? it looks really cool.
Banished knight. The unaltered version.
You deserve even more subs.
I love your vids, especially your voice
There's so many parallels to Dark Souls with the Giants and the Flame of Ruin. The gods committing genocide powerful enemies (Giant/dragons) an everlasting fire (First Flame/Flame of Ruin) tended by a cursed being (fire giant/fire keeper). It can be used to set the player on fire or wrested from the place it burns by a special woman. Ash looks like snow. Penultimate and last area of the game.
Some think that the frenzied flame and the flame of ruin are one in the same. I think that perhaps the Erdtree can only burn from the power of another outer god (or in the frenzied flame's case the greater will), but who can say? Would Ghostflame freeze the Erdtree? Would black flame give it destined death?
Even with the Frenzied Flame, you are still using the fire of the flame of ruin to burn the Erdtree. Otherwise, you would not have had to go all the way to the Forge. Having the frenzied flame enabled you to be the kindling to start the Erdtree burning, which seems to mean that the Frenzied Flame is a connection to the Erdtree (which Melina has, since she is probably related to Marika).
I like to think that Melina and the Frenzied Flame are both a part of the Erdtree (or Greattree or Crucible). That's why burning yourself or Melina causes the tree to catch fire.
@@SolarFantom I'm pretty sure the three fingers are said somewhere to be interpreting the greater will, just like the two fingers, but came to a different conclusion.
@@arlom5132 That would make sense, especially with the motif of two+three fingers = full hand. I haven't seen any canon stuff saying that though. If you find it, could you share where that is from?
My interpretation was this: It was said that the Shattering lead to abandonment by the Greater Will, so I thought that the hand split up into two and three fingers based on a difference of opinion on what to do without input from the Greater Will. Since the Greater Will abandoned the lands between, the majority (three fingers) agreed that the world should be destroyed (using the frenzied flame), while the two-fingers were clinging to the Greater Will's past actions.
Or maybe even the Greater Will was split on what to do...
Did you notice that not only do the fire monks wear a suit of armor that depicts the same face found on the fire giants chest but so do the black flame monks?
It's interesting because the black flame is a weapon used by the gloam eyed queen and the Godslayer's. This implies either a connection or s similarity between the giants flame and the black flame. Perhaps an alliance between the fire giants and the gloam eyed queen?
I haven't been able to look too far into it but the giants flame is the only thing that can burn the erdtree while the black flame is said to be able to bring destined death to the gods.
The black flame monks were originally fire monks who became infatuated with the godskin's black flame and deserted their original post as guardians to join the godskins.
That would be interesting.. Marika creating Melina to one day burn the very symbol of out the Outer God's she grew to despise
Loooove your videos bro
What a elden ring moment trying to walk away with the boss dead and you somehow die anyway
The thorn on Giant corps remind me the deathblight effect
Idk if I misunderstood something in the video, and this is something ive heard from multiple other lore videos, but many questioned why Marika would curse the last giant to tend to a flame they would already tend to, but to my opinion, the curse is that they would have tended to a flame that doesn't need tending as since the flame can never die, If it was left alone, the flame would fair no better than if it was baby sitted so to have any being tend to this fire forever is meaningless for the caretaker unless it was self-inflicted which in this case, it is not
it feels like you do a good job actually looking at the lore not just making assumptions
also i like that you go "this is from one viewpoint" the narrative care
Great video!
But there is something I didn't understand very well, how did Vyke and Bernahl both got to the erdtree before us (the player) and we still need to kill morgott?? Is the timeline in elden ring the same as dark souls? Everyone has its own world?
I mean, there is not enough shardbearers before leyndell so that at least 3 tarnished can get 2 shards each, and all 3 kill the same boss protecting the throne inside leyndell.
I was wondering about this too 🤔
If i get it right, the gods in elden ring are all immortal and return after a certain time.
Im more confused by why vyke has an unfrenzied version of himself in mountaintops evergaol.
@@GoldenDaemonas this! Why is there a "mad" version of him and a normal one in the prison... So many questions 😅
Time is convoluted in the Lands Between.
Bernhal being in Farum Azula is weirder to me.. But it is an interesting question nonetheless.
I always kinda wondered why the Erdtree was blocked if The Greater Will wanted the Tarnished to become a lord, and does it have something to do with "Marika's Plans" that Gideon were talking about
I think it's pretty strongly implied that the Greater Will has not actually been in contact all that much (if at all). The fingers seemed to be surprised that the thorns even existed, and when they confer with the Greater Will we're told that it could be thousands of years before anything happens. I feel that it fits better to assume that the fingers, while they may be acting on behalf of the greater will under some broad general instructions, they're not actually in contact with it on anything close to a day-to-day basis, and therefore it's extremely unclear what views and actions could actually be attributed back to the Greater Will vs what's just it's followers doing their best to do what they think is right in a scenario where they haven't gotten any new orders in a very long time.
To me is because it is not the Greater Will's wish to have a new Elden Lord, but rather Marika's
The Flame of Ruin has some Heavy Painted World of Ariandel Vibes, doesn't it?
Yes in that there's a powerful fire set to burn away a world that's been afflicted with a literal and metaphorical rot. Great observation. Miquella's Haligtree gives that vibe too. A whole other society secluded in snow. Built to house the world's oppressed, purposeless, and misunderstood. With a massively skilled swordswoman guarding the architect of the place.
Even with George R.R.Martin Myazaki cannot think a unique thought anymore. It is just recycling ideas over and over. What happened to breaking the mold and actually thinking of a new story that isn't just a formulaic jumble of "fire, curse, lord of..., " They could have done so much more world building with an open world. Yet they decided to not build the world up more, just have every NPC just relate to one ending. This world doesn't feel allive as they promised first and re assured in the Taipei game show. It is just cliché and empty.
It's entirely possible that Miyazaki has had a story in his head that he's wanted to tell since the beginning of his career and Elden Ring is certainly as close as possible to what that might be. Other directors, for video games or movies like Nomura and Ari Aster do this. Elden Ring is the Berserk fanfic/cosmic horror/critique of empire/critique of religion that he's been building up since Demon's Souls I feel.
Hey! So Radagan met Rennala in the field of battle, sired Ranni and Rykard, then went on to slide into Marika’s DMs. Is it possible to form an actual time line? Also…only Rennala and Rykard survive our encounter ( and we can’t kill Ranni ). I said so in another comment but I would love to hear peoples thoughts on this. And Radahn! Lol sorry for forgetting
Radahn should also be on the list of children of Radagon and Rennala.
did u hear about the age of absolute being found
Yes I saw it, still don’t know if its real or an april fools though. It looks interesting enough to be real tho
Sound more like Bernahl had a mission to become lord and follow the 2 fingers and Edtree/Greater will plan until he lost his maiden to the flame. Which he abandon said mission and swore enemy toward the Greater Will. I dont think he abandon the mission just because the tree didnt burn down.
Can you maybe look into the blade Cinquedea that litteraly translates to the five finger blade and if it has a connection to the 2 and 3 fingers in elden ring
I noticed what looked like the black knife symbol behind the eyes of the maleigh marais mask, could they be affiliated?
Hard to say if the giant's "Fell God" is a god in the sense of like Marika (and Malenia I guess), or a proper Outer God. Nonetheless, good content mate.
Probably the physical giant corpse we find there..
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Great job they did. I just rode my horse past them.
What armor set were you wearing? The one with the black cape?
Banished Knight Armor Unaltered.
maybe is for the spanish translation but bernald said to me that her maiden commit betrayal and also throwed him to the flame. Isnt that the case?
pd maybe in the armor description, dont remember
The most mysterious of flame is probably the oldest, the ghost flame which I suspect that the prince of death is working with its owner to finally die
Yes. I want more lore exploration of the death birds and their ghostflame, and how that relates to Godwyn/ prince of death
@@common_undead Well I'm not sure if it relates to Godwyn at all considering it existed during the era before the Erdtree and Demigods.
I don't think I've seen any mention that Marika and the Last Giant may have had offspring.
May explain Radagon's red hair and Marika's line of "you have not yet become me". She was a son that would later join his Mother and they would then birth children that are cursed in turn...
Just a theory.....
You got something wrong I forgot which item description but it said Marika cursed the giants to tend the flame for eternity I’m pretty sure
less go
what madness spell are you using?
Wasn't ranni body also burnt? Was this another hint at trying to burn the ertree
Not gonna lie the top of whatever it is that cuts the giants kinda looks like the flame of frenzy
COOL LORE.😺
Hey just 1 q. What even is the purpose of flame of ruin when you cannot enter the erdtree even after burning it with it. You can only enter after u unleash destined death. Secondly one can just use the frenzy flame and ignite the tree. Why do we even the ruin flame. Don't get me wrong i love the idea of flame or ruin but just wished it had more significance and impact.
The impaled giants were killed with Death blight. If you've ever been killed by it, it's a status that builds up like madness or bleed, then you get the exact animation of being impaled by the death blight.
I also want to believe this, but there is so much unexplored lore behind Death Blight that I cannot do that with clear conscience. Was it used as a war weapon? Does it have a connection with briars? How are Basilisks the sole constant beings in all universes?
@@ezariogerion3138 Pretty sure death blight came about from Godwyn's death.
Only a FEW things in-game cause Death Blight.. The Eclipse Shotel, Fia's Sorcery (which I'm sure didn't exist back then) and Death Lightning (Fortisaxx being corrupted by Godwyn's Death). And Basilisks are nowhere near there, or used as weapons during War as far as we know.
The Eclipse Shotel mentions that an Eclipse is cause for "dreadful awe".
Marika, being the Vessel for the Elden Ring, could just impart DEATH on things, which would probably cause that effect on the Giants. But ALL of them? Why send Godfrey, Radhan, Trolls and many more to War if she just killed them all?
That cant be true as death blight didn't exist before Godwyn's death, the war with the giants was long before Godwyns death or the start of the Shattering so you theory doesn't make any sense whatsoever, sorry.
This is different from the Flame of Frenzy?
I think the weird thorn totems are related to the briar magic as there are several flame monks camps elsewhere in the map that have those totems.
Briar Magic comes from the caster's blood..
Best lore channeI for elden ring I've found. Keep pumping these out.
I witnessed this man use ghost riders penance stare on the poor dude literally "LOOK IN TO MY EYES" and homie just lost his mind n DIED
Where does it say that radagons red hair was a curse?
The Giant’s Red Braid weapon.
@@EVC1094 ty
Another fantastic video, jesus christ
Doesn't the chalice look a lot like the ringed city in dark souls what if the flame of ruin is just the fire of gwyn
Can you explain the whole dragon situation? As im sure there is lore behind it but i have no clue. Also why does marika’s husband have a big lion that doesnt do anything and then is murdered horribly
The lion, Surrosh, is said to have kept Godfrey/Horrah Loux’s battle lust in check, which is maybe why he kills it
I think the lion is inside Godfrey. A bit like we have summoning ashes. Except its on its back and has its own desires, in this case it stepped out from the ghost form to try and join the fight seeing Godfrey being at a disadvantage... But the lord felt it wouldn't be enough. This time, he had to take us seriously, he "gave us courtesy enough". So he killed the lion, and absorbed the ashes, making him somewhat more powerful with his barefist rather than a weapon (like a lion's claws.)
Also he's got unchecked anger issue, clearly, lion was his support pet... (like previous comment mentionned the lion kept the dude cool)
This might sound weird but i thought it was kinda weird how marika had boobs then she turned around and ragadons whole chest changes i noticed it my second play through. I figured they kept the same body but it does change physically.
Wait did you just insinuate that Melina is the daughter of Merkia and Radagon?
Its very likely that Melina is the daughter of Queen Marika. She is able to remember distinct things about Marika that only a person close to her would have known. When summoned to help defeat Morgott, she uses the exact moveset as the black knife assasins, who were all women and Numen, like the Queen. She says her mother is within the erdtree, and we only know of Marika (maybe Godwyn if we count his burial at the erdtree root to be within the erdtree) who is in there.
The theory I find most convincing is that Melina and Ranni are two beings who originally shared a body, much like Radagon and Marika. Melina, on her original introduction says she's a soul without a body which was burned, and that she's forgotten her original purpose. Ranni similarly, is without body, having discarded her empyreon flesh on the night of the black knives. We discover this body late into the game, burnt completely. Similarly, both Ranni and Melina know about Torrent, and Ranni is the only NPC who seems to know of Melina's existence. I think they both shared a body, and Ranni was the one in control most of the time. This would explain the memory gaps that Melina has, and the relations between the 2 of them, as well as Melina's knowledge of Marika.
The other theory that builds on top of this, was that this empyreon being was the Gloam Eyed Queen, leader of the Godskins.
@@common_undead I agree that Melina is Marika's daughter, in the same way that Millicent is Melania's. But not about the connection to Ranni.
Melina does look like Ranni. But keep in mind that Ranni, at present, doesn't look like Ranni. The body we know as Ranni is just a doll, and it is rumored to have been fashioned in the likeness of a Frost Witch who mentored Ranni. Consider that we find the Snow Witch Set in Renna's Rise, and it's possible that this is the Renna the rise is named for. However, this implies that Melina doesn't look like Ranni, but rather Ranni's mentor.
Given that Marika is almost certainly Melina's mother, this raises the possibility that Marika herself was Ranni's mentor. Possibly in disguise. And if we presume, as seems possible, that it was this mentor who steered Ranni down the path of defiance to the Two Fingers... well, it sure looks like Marika is playing a very long and dangerous game of some kind. Melina's entire purpose is to burn the tree, and Ranni seems ideally suited to ushering in a new age to replace the Age of the Erdtree. Throw in the fact that Ranni first makes contact with us, when she gives us the Spirit Calling Bell, at the behest of Torrent's former master. Again, given that Melina now has Torrent, it's likely that this former owner was Marika herself, known to Ranni via her mentorship of her. And encouraging Ranni to make contact with us facilitates the completion of the contract to bring about the Age of Stars. Playing matchmaker, perhaps?
And, if we lean into the idea that Melina's physical form may be based on her mother, there's the matter of her eyes. One golden, like the sun. The other the dark blue of deepest night. Melina keeps her blue eye sealed, as it betrays a measure of unfaithfulness to the Golden Order. Ranni's body has what would be the golden eye sealed. If this was based on Marika as I presume above, this would be to hide her connection to the Golden Order while she is dealing with Ranni. But one eye of the day and one of the night, both yet neither. She has eyes of dusk. Of gloam. Could Marika herself be the Gloam Eyed Queen? Perhaps co-opted against her will by the Greater Will to serve as vessel for the Elden Ring? Ranni seems confident that the Two Fingers can manipulate her destiny, so much so that she will go to absolutely any length to free herself from their control. And we are told that the Gloam Eyed Queen was an Empyrean, chosen by the Fingers.
So do we think Melina is the goam eye'd queen given the frenzied flame ending yet, since Melina loves destined death as the queen once did
what are mending runes? they are not from the elden ring. these are great runes that are powerful enough to make one a demi-god if posessed. so where do mending runes come from and what are they?
I’m pretty sure they are part of the elden ring as each demigod is child of marika or radagon
Your maiden doesnt really sacrifice herself though right? she admits at the start she is bodyless and undying
Just my theory but Radagon's red hair is a curse that probably has to do with the scarlet rot. It passes down to Malenia, and from her it destroys Radahn, another of Radagon's children, entire sections of the Lands Between, and creates abominations like the kindred of rot. It's also the indirect cause of Miquella's slumber and eventual kidnapping. The scarlet rot metaphorically as well as physically destroys the legacy of Radagon. Also scarlet. Red hair.
... so let me just uh ponder this a second. Is elden ring just...dark souls 2 or maybe like demon souls 2. Lol it reminds me of ds2 because a red haired king defeats giants. In ds2 they are missing there faces in elden they miss there stomachs (im assuming those are giants?) Perhaps removing felled god faces?(even if there trolls which now that i think they prob are thet warshipped it to) the land between for elden ring the land betwixed in ds2.
Yes!
YES!
Finally someone voicing my theory
Marika had melina in secret as a security measure to ensure the destruction of the erdtree, forseeing the Golden orders desire to punish her.
Finally, someone making sense.
Dude.
Make that video.
Make that delicious delicious lore video.
What if Melina is an as aspect of Marika herself?
dude that is just confirmation bias, this guy making the video doesnt mean he is the writer of the lore, these videos are still speculation.
@@Dayz3O6 Skyrim sucks
Again YT algo confusing Dark Souls with this smh
I think the Flame of Ruin, the Fell God, Shabriri, Flame of Frenzy are all aspects of the same force. Tied to chaos, tied to burning the Erdtree, fire as cleansing in cycles, etc.
Or maybe it is dark souls 4 after all and only Marika with the help of the greater will could finally destroy the flame
I just don't understand Melina, her motivations, who she is, where she comes from.
They did not have vision of maiden, just kindling fire and bringing ruin. Do not over-interpret everything like Vaati please.