How Stalin made a MESS of invading Finland | Winter War | PART 1
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Hey, I think you need to watch this speech, link below.
It is on topic of Jews in Finland (history and especially) during WWII - because that is very unusual short of history as the Nazi ideology did not take any official root in the country despite the alliance during continuation war.
Joining Germans was purely because the enemy's enemy is your... you know. Fact was that our lead was afraid that the Soviets would attack again as soon as they could (and being wise after wards one can add that Baltic nations weren't 'freed' by Soviets but only taken over from German rule to Soviet rule - which by no mean was a good place for them to be at). Frankly joining the war for second time we lost only twice pretty much what we lost the first time around - and it is hard to believe that Mannerheim would not have considered that or the option that when Soviets likely would attack anyhow, we might loose more or even our independence. The official story to take back the lands that belong to us in Karelia is of course another reason, and in a way pretty story. There were even some greater dreams - but they must have also thought it is better to fight over the same area twice than to get run over. Anyhow - it is not a small or insignificant fact to understand that our country was seeing hunger after the Winter war. Fucking cold winter perhaps not the best summer for crops. And there was no ammunition should USSR attack again - it really was harsh time right out from the Winter war. Later it is relatively secure to say that the second attack made us loose more or less only the same area twice instead of more land or our independence. Yes it cost lives and we had to pay costs to Soviets after - but I don't think many of us Finns would think that very righteous, when they had started Winter War under false flag operation, blaming us on their own attack against their won. But then again it did help us build our industry and economy a lot more or faster I think too. In the end on set 'alliance with Germany' our leaders knew we needed help and so the president agreed to join us with Germans in return to get food, re-supply of amo and co-operation in military sense - BUT only to go about as far as our old border. So done on verbal agreement of leaders (not legalized alliance rectified by government) - in other words void the moment the president resigned. Frankly that man sacrificed his career for his nation.
I hope you can take this video and watch it to learn something very significant and different about us Finns, in comparison to anyone who fought on German side. For one we never went far enough to help Germans fully encircle Leningrad aka St. Petersburg. If we had joined, it is likely the Soviets would not have been able to even supply that city with the little they managed to bring aid for the people in the city at that time. It was horrible in there - but had we helped Germans that city would likely have been wiped utterly dead. Secondly - the Jews were notably safe in Finland through out all that time. Resulting to some of the most strange moments. And the actual number of them who did suffer then was very small, and fault lay in some individual private people for their own decisions and 'politics' - which the state was not pleased about. In fact we even gave direct citizen ship to some of them. But to really know the story better - it is all in this video.
I ask for you to watch it and consider if you want to speak of it in one of your videos - because there are even currently some potentially Russian origin people online commenting to things Finns will say about Ukraine by calling us as 'only famous for being Nazi'. And I find that very offensive. So I think that there should be content online to show the actual truth, which in this video is presented by an actual Jew who has researched that very topic. I hope someone would make content in form of a video to use, to more easily show people with twisted understanding about history, when they are wrong about it. The trouble with a long speech like in this video, all though very well made, is that many people would not necessarily listen to it due the length. The source is in English - so I'd like really to see something said about it in a video. Well you like stories - so this one is certainly a little known one. I feel that most of us Finns do not even know these things about our own history. (Just like people in Finland don't know that the first black person who ever came to Finland may have come as a servant to a missionary family but she became a teacher.)
Strangers in a Stranger Land: Finland's Jewish Soldiers in WWII
czcams.com/video/emgOzd0ng1A/video.html
I may need to add this. Yes there was some Jews as prisoners, but those were also Soviet soldiers. I don't find the right link for now, but some of them were even hidden somewhat in camp outside of major towns so that the Germans would not notice them. And yes, some of them did die as prisoners of war as also other Russian war prisoners did. Yes some people were handed over to Germans for the information they had - but not because of their religion. Frankly most Finns could not care less about that - if they were of what religion. The reasons people died in the camps mostly was for two reasons hunger and the Spanish flu pandemic. But there was hunger in the ENTIRE country at that time, one of the very reasons why we had no option but to ally with Germans - to get food along with amo, which had really been bled empty due Winter War. And they asked in for more weapons and such too. Still we had regular Finns sharing food with those prisoners the Jews and other Russians prisoners of war alike. No, it was not a good time. But Russians did not treat any of them well when they were released back to Russia aka Soviets after those wars. They were either killed immediately or sent to some gulag. Same as they killed most any of their men simply for retreating out of immediate death on battle field. This stuff is online in Tube videos - but finding one that has quality enough to hear everything well is a bit of an ordeal as the topic is not often even discussed, meaning the number of such videos is small and they are taken in some event where an expert gives a speech but quality is a bit crappy. Stupid thing how ever is now this a bit 'propaganda like' or troll like or frankly just result of wrong info or wrong assumptions - rolled into recently often appearing comments given to various Finns online who dare to comment on something about the warn in Ukraine. It annoys me a bit. And it really does not much help to try and explain truths or show videos with long speeches as sources, never mind how good sources those are on the count of having actually researched or studied the matter - simply because people won't bother to take the time to learn. So that is why a better, more focused video from someone would do perhaps good, with links provided to set sources. I have my own Tube channel, but it was made to be about gaming and has 20 subs from my own clan - lol - just a thing I tested out some years back - so it really isn't something I could do. So that is why I thought Irish there might be interested in that story of true history.
the footage you show for the most part, where is that from?
@@MrWeedWacky I don't know where he got it from. But I think one could not go very wrong with Yle Archives in Finland - I think they got very extensive measure of stuff in our country.
Finlan was NEVER invaded in the last war. See my commentary elsewhere
Similarities to Ukraine are amazing. Russian making insane claims then declare enemy doesn't want peace, falseflag shelling, thinking they will be welcome as liberators, underestimating enemy, main strategy to throw soldiers into fire until they run out of ammo.
Plus dropping bombs or shells evens shooting at innocent civilians. They used to claim the bombs dropped in Finland were 'bread baskets' - the reason why we gave the Molotov's Cocktail it's name - the drink to go with the bread. Best served on the air ducts of Soviet tanks.
Biggest difference is Ukraine's gas reserves, that Putin tries to robber.
Lots of Sovjet forces were Ukrains !! in attack of Finland 1939-40 Winter War !! (Fun fact) "Finnish Motti Tactic" are still in ther memories !! (There were 1 000 and 10 000 ukrains (100 000) causuties in those 105 day war !! (1 000 000 sovjet and only
26 000 Finnish soldiers !!). My father fought against them on the front and my mother run(whit my brother (Baby) to shelter when Molotov "Bread baskets (Bombs) fell in Helsinki ! So Ukrain, 82 year old Karma is a Real Bitch !!
@@sixtuspettersson6059 It's pity the bitch does not realize that the real reason those people were sent to war at all was Stalin. Do not mistake the governing body of the nation, the soviet union - with it's population then. Ukrainian people have long history of trying to struggle free from Russian hold, there were literal partisans fighting in there in 1950's - to give just one of the examples. When Putin refers to 'common history' in his essays and rhetoric - he makes many mistakes by ignoring the fact that Ukraine has not really wanted to be part of Russia even during Soviet era. They sent on purpose more eastern people work in Ukraine in mines and industry there during that time to try to control this nationalism. And the same our own relatives, those Finno-Ugric peoples still within Russia - have been pushed around about and tried to make vanish by mixing them into other populations, such that their related languages are under threat of vanishing. Sure some of the Russia started from Ukrainian areas, as they are Slavic people, though different than the Russians from more east. But they still are also a different nation - and currently finally a Sovereign nation.
Remember that there were Finnish soldiers and men in the Russian Tsar's military service, including Mannerheim - who fought for example in Mantsuria, Mongolia - so the reason why Finland then got attacked was because Karma is a bitch for him having been there fighting? Such a thing as 'karma' does not even exist - bad things just happen to different peoples at different points of history mostly due bad decision made by bad people in that same era when they make the shit happen. As for the era of our wars. Those Ukrainian soldiers were sent, by Stalin's orders to fight up north in Finland, but not even given good enough winter gears or cared for that well - had they refused they would have been killed - just like even those Russian commanders who wanted to retreat often from a bad situation got killed because the political commissar with the company thought it was against Russian politics. And if some of them got taken prisoner, then sent back to Russia after war there was high changes the Soviet Union would either have them killed or sent to some gulag. The true bad actors then was Stalin and the ideology of Soviet Union. To make this argument of your's now is bit like making propaganda for Russians - so you are on Russian side then - wanting to black paint the Ukrainians? Surely not...
Do you know who was and what did a man called Eugen Schauman? He was a Finn yes - but he was born in Ukraine - if you don't remember the history class form school - maybe you should read this link.
fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Schauman
(And yes my grandfather fought in our wars too and granny was a lotta. War is the real bitch and politics are murky - the blame is with those who have stupid ideas and too much power.)
@@sixtuspettersson6059 Ukraine was under soviet rule back then. Stalin made the decision to attack. 44th division that took part in battle of Raate road was Ukrainian. According to divisions own logs, soldiers had bad morale and they talked about unwillingness to fight against Finnish and many escaped from the train on the way to Finnish frontline.
Everyone is gangster, until the trees speak Finnish. As a Finnish citizen in UK this is the most known thing about Finland. Russia picked on the small quiet guy, minding his own business, and found a hard man full of sisu who knew how to fight. My late grandfather fought in this war, and spoke very little about it. I see the similarities with Ukraine. But maybe Ukraine will have to do the same with Crimea as we had to with Karelia.
Snow, my friend, until snow starts whispering in Finnish... ;)
@Samuli Karjalainen That works too. And sounds even more menacing.
@@TheIdlesurfer Glad you like it :D I can't take credit for it though, I read it somewhere on some other CZcams video comments I think (probably some Simo Häyhä video)
This is why UK got rid of all their huge trees. They don't want finns to climb in those and start whispering and carrying sticks like it was rifle.
Consentration camps for Russians..?
Finland is still a one big nightmare to conquer, impossible without mountains of casualities. Massive army compared to the population, now more modern than ever. Thick forest wall is still standing at the border and only few narrow roads over it. We still take camouflage seriously. I have not seen anything at Ukraine like what I experienced at my service. We dig, blend and cover so much that even today I can hear snow talking. Sea is surrounded by cities that are also hard to beat. And do not forger the weather, if some mud can stop those tanks, how about meter of snow. Finland is a one huge trap with insane amounts of firepower.
We are immune to propaganda. Patriotism unlike anywhere else.
We are safe here.
About the Russian artillery in Ukraine. The cannons were uncovered and placed every ten meters in the middle of the field. The subject of the video was that they were ambushed. Oh really.
Here when I came back from the... let's say toilet... I got lost. Just didn't see that one heavy artillery cannon right there front of me. Can't see it even from the air.
Some of our houses can literally go off grid and be just fine. Mine can. And I am sure us women we would organize very fast something like Lotta Swärd again - or others would get on our computers and take voluntarily on the task of making the war known all over the world. We have still in our regulations for apartment buildings to have bomb shelters in them. And there are loads of underground places - not just in Helsinki. And there is second most guns per population in Europe among your regular Finns. For hunting yes. But the only country where private people own more weapons in Europe is Switzerland.
@@lyrigageforge3259 My house can be off grid but not my Chickens. We would send kids to Sweden again. Whole country would be organized for a maximum potential.
Even our irish guy would get some nice special task. What would you like to do?
@@Redfizh Lol - me? Or him? I am an invalid and depend on pain meds to be able to not scream, so in all honesty I am retired. But what I can do is ... well I have some media education. I would likely try making videos - even though I have done that very little to try it out related to gaming and such. Have most of the software and equipment required to start - apart from something like drone to take imagery, a thing I been wishing I could get. Hard work isn't something I am able of, my body is not pleased to do much anything - I am literally unable to run, can walk only in short intervals. Other than that I can make jewelries so it's not perhaps that useful. And once long time ago I was tested to have far above Finnish average logical abilities - but I have always hated math and I am far from organized. Never found any use for that ability in my life - except with perhaps some 3D stuff in form of hobbies, just like making textures. Well one could think about creating streams where people could come to talk perhaps. Still I would try to offer to help in any way someone might think I could in some way help. I am not one to fear death, have faced that potential moment already - and figure that when one is dead, one won't hurt no more. So never mind that I have really many limitations - I still would want to help. In all honesty I don't think the question necessarily is what one would like to do, but what one might be assigned to do weather by orders or by simple needs. If I was not disabled as much as I am - I would be taking up arms even if I don't have military training - if only for security at home front. I know I am pretty decent shot at least, and I am not speaking about video-games - lol. I had a life different, other hobbies before I found a rare illness in my spine. I even know some few plants people can eat in the wild. I am decent driver both boats and car... so forth. Well you see - there are many things people may have to do in such times and that tends to fall in the hands of those able and willing. Perhaps even helping those neighbors whose homes might not be able to handle potential power breaks and such could be a start enough.
@@lyrigageforge3259 ah if only Finns had guns for self defense! I'm not taking a dig at you just so you know. I'm Finnish American. I Bellerive gun safety and respect should be taught to all children as it was with me and most I grew up with. Guns are tools for survival in law abiding citizens hands. Hunting to provide for your family and for self defense if a criminal or criminal Nation attacks you.
A thousand likes for this video! I'm a born Finn but this feels just like Ukraine at the moment. Slava Ukraina!!
Ihana Suomi. Don't mess with Finnish SISU 💙🇫🇮💙🇫🇮💙
If people have not yet watched it, head to Netflix. Tuntematon sotilas , The Unknown Soldier - it's brilliant
@Irish in Finland if you have not already researched him look into Aimo Koivunen. My introduction was through this: czcams.com/video/MRHm26fKKb8/video.html
Oh yeah, I know him! 🔥✊🏻
Stalin was one of the worst. But let's appreciate the irony of the Russians getting beat in the Finland Winter.
And now again, in the 2022 Olympic Ice Hockey finals.
History does not repeat itself, but fools do.
Great job man,greetings from finland.
Great video
Finnish people when communism: *SILENCE, PARANOID MOUSTACHE MAN*
Even most of the Finnish communists fought the Russians like hell. Thank you Stalin for uniting our country
Guess the Russians didn’t learn from experience!
History repeats itself. Always has. And Putin's understanding about history is twisted enough to allow it apparently.
Putin wants so much to robber Ukraine gas reserves.
@@ilkkak3065 Yes we likely know. Besides those countries now independent like Ukraine, were the old USSR's area of major industries, if I remember my old school maps right.
Jep those were ones Soviet Unions lands, but it's not so easy thing... Because about 800 Kiev - Russia is one thing what Putin talks. It's problem when you say Ukraine was part Russia in fact it was opposite! But Ukraine situation reminds Winter War enemy attack country this is easy thing. And after 100 days they curse Finns soon Ukraines are holding lines 16 days! God bless them!
Now we have think how Ukraines get their Mig-29 so that Russia don't bring Third World War to our problems!
@@lyrigageforge3259 So you mean Mongols have right to occupy Russia since Russia was once part of golden horde...?
December -39 wasn't cold or heavy snow. The winter struck month later.
Welcome to Finland :)
WtF
As a finn, I want to politely but firmly point out a major historical error in the video (4:47):
We must totally forget the idea that Lenin and his Bolshevik leadership would had given, even less, donated, Finland's independence. That is just not a historical fact.
How can you give or donate something that is already in the possession of the recipient?! It was our country's administration itself that ultimately decided on 6 December 1917 to secede from Russia as a sovereign state, which Lenin later only RECOGNISED.
The Declaration of Independence would probably not have been withdrawn even if we had not received the Bolshevik recognition at the time.
The Russian Revolution of March 1917 renewed our autonomy and made possible the beginning of our secession from the motherland. Lenin did not play any leading role in that.
It should be noted that the request for recognition of independence was originally submitted to the National Assembly, which drafted the Russian Constitution. That was sabotaged by the Bolsheviks.
Of course, it should be remembered that the Russian monarchists, and the White Party in general, were in no way in favour of an independent Finland.
Was Lenin's confession altruistic? No, it was largely a political tactic. Lenin used the phrase 'secession for the sake of unification'. The Bolsheviks had not yet achieved domination of the country, so they had much more important things to think about than Finnish independence. The fact that the declaration of independence had to be given to the bourgeois regime in a hurry was a 'slip' that had to be corrected later, even through the rebellion in Finland. It was a great disappointment to the Bolsheviks that the Finnish socialists did not seize power in November 1917.
Lenin had a firm intention, in the Marxist spirit, to communise the whole world with the Russian Bolsheviks in the lead. In the pursuit of this goal, bourgeois Finland was to be only an inevitable intermediate stage.
Oddly familiar resemblence in todays war in Ukraine.
Which movies have you used?
Mostly from movie Talvisota (Winter war)
He chose the wrong time of year.
"...or so we thought."
How do YOU feel now living in a country with this kinda "massive" history burden? Could you do reaction vid about that? Your native wars against England have been so different, and outcome wouldn't have change whole Europe's map or history so much...
PS. Those bottles against enemy tanks were called Molotov cocktails (Finnish invention), but soldiers first put them in a sock with a tard (terva), so it wouldn't slip away but stick firmly to Russian tank.
Mr. Molotov were D*head Russian officer, so we Finns wanted to thank him for good job!
I come from a country with a massive history burden...........
@@IrishinFinland Yes it has. Some of us are crazy enough about history to know even if I probably know more about medieval era and WWII than especially Ireland.
@@IrishinFinland Let's try again. How do you feel about living in Finland, on the frontline of Russia? We could be next.
And let's agree that we bought have our different kinda massive burdens🤔
Finland and Ireland have so many similarities in their history. We had imperial biggot as neighbour while Ireland didn... oh wait 🤭
@@fnbtt Jännästi huutelet, vaikka et lukenut alkuperäistä viestiä loppuun. Kyllä se siitä, lähetän sulle suuren söpön jaxuhalipusun💓
Its not fair to compare Ukraine war to winter war, Ukraine's population is 50 million while Finland had only 3 million people and NATO is pumping billions of dollars worth of weapons etc to Ukraine monthly, Finland only got very small help from neighbors
Thx we are waiting for Russians. 🇫🇮🔥 Glory to Ukraine. ❤️🇺🇦
Pls "Irish in Finland" note that Finland was NEVER invaded. Only 3 nations of the fighting countries in the last war where never invaded: GB, USSR and FIN. We were attacked Yes, but never invaded.
Invade: "to enter a country by force with large numbers of soldiers in order to take possession of it"
@@IrishinFinland Thanks for info. I guess have to accept that explanation, as english is your native language, not mine. My point is that the Russians actually never faught on our territory other than in Karelia (south-eastern part of Finland). This meant that we were saved the physical destruction of war in 90% of our territory. We also moved some 350 000 people away from the Karelian area to other parts of our countyr BEFORE the enemy invaded Karelia. As a country with very tiny population we are very proud of that achievement. Still. I hope Putin remembers our tradtions whenever he plans to attack this direction.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelians#:~:text=Karelians%20(Karelian%3A%20karjalai%C5%BEet%2C%20karjalazet,split%20between%20Finland%20and%20Russia.
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