5 Worst Things About The Star Wars Sequels
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- čas přidán 2. 12. 2022
- In this video, I go over the 5 WORST Things in the Star Wars Sequels, and explain what they are and why they're so bad. From Rey, to Kylo Ren, to Supreme Leader Snoke, to Luke Skywalker, to Emperor Palpatine, and many others, the Star Wars Sequels were awful. This video explains why.
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Kylo Ren is better than Darth Caedus! Rey is better than Mara Jade! Abeloth sucks! So do bitte rOld Legends Fans that can do nothing but hate!
Your Time is over!
Thankfully so!
@@DarylMCDeath I agreed with you on hatred of Rey. It was easy for Luke in the "Real" First Star Wars to learn things because he had a JEDI expert with him with Obi-Wan Kenobi and before he fights Vader, Yoda is reaching him some things. So, Luke should have Some Skills by the time he Battles Vader. But Rey had the ability to: Fight with a Lightsaber, Fly a ship on her own, and mind trick with Stormtroppers with no one around to Help...i thought was Insane! (Sure, we find out how Rey was able to in the third film that she is the EMPEROR's Granddaughter, but still).
For the record, in the comics, Captian Phasma was quite the badass.
My ultimate #1 is always the mistreatment of legacy characters...
Unacceptable.
It's unforgivable
yes whats the point of the orginals it turns every character you loved into losers and ruins the point of all their struggels
Made so much worse considering Fisher died
So uncivilized
The infuriating part of it is that so many of these issues are super easy to fix and they just chose not to
It’s easy to look back at mistakes & have regret. But when you’re in the moment you’re not thinking that. I’m sure there were employees during production of these movies that knew certain things weren’t going to work, but they had no say. A lot of jobs are like that, where the upper management sucks but the employees can’t really do anything to change the way they run things.
Barely an inconvenience?
@@trevorthornley8835lol
I mean, they could have copied the books?
I'm with you
It's nice seeing someone so young truly understanding Star Wars as if he was born in the 70s like me and I love episode 1 through 6.
The complete the saga will always be the classic.
True
kylo is a better characters than all of the preguel characters combined you guys have to stop seriosly
@@marja-liisamakinen676 The guy killed his own Dad and betrayed his own the guy is a scumbag.
@@marja-liisamakinen676 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Adam Driver is a good actor. His new movie 65 looks really good. Us I have respect for him being a former Marine. But the character of Kylo makes me laugh. I've often wondered how old Kylo was supposed to be. Adam Driver is no young early 20's actor. Yet he had to act like an Emo teen. Lol
I grew up on the original trilogy. So of course I loved Luke. “Look how they massacred my boy!”
It's beyond me why Disney would destroy not just the main characters but the whole star wars franchise, it achieved nothing, its nothing but arrogance and massive massaging of egos at Disney H.Q.
I actually like bad luke. Shows he has flaws and maybe a bit like his dad.
@@DocJacobthey already showed his flaws in the originals, I think the main issue is that this is the Jedi that saw the good in one of the most evil villains in the galaxy and never lost hope he could turn away from the dark! Now we’re supposed to believe he can’t do that for his best friend and sisters son and almost tries to kill him!
I mean, i grew up with ghe prequels and i got MAD PISSED at how they treated him
@@lewis18051yeah I agree with you.
#1 worst thing in Star Wars is a tie between: Kathleen Kennedy & Disney
agreed.
DAE Disneydolf Kathitler? Pls give me updoots
if Kathleen Kennedy got hanged, it would be hilarious 4 those who dislike her radical beliefs!
She should be called Kathleen Karen Kennedy, use only initials and what do you get?
Don't forget good old smug Rian Johnson.
Love how literally a fan was able to make a better backstory for Luke banishing himself than a multi BILLIOn dollar company
General hux cloud of the next grand moff Tarkin
Thats because he is exactly that, a FAN. He knows the characters and knows how they would behave, he understands what stories a FAN would want. These directors arent fans at all
You kids ain't going anywhere with these "better than" comments lolol
@@Llama_charmer he honestly doesn’t know that much about Star Wars. Kylo Ren wasn’t an establish duelist or force user. At this point in Star Wars. All lightsaber forms was lost due to the great purge. Along with a lot of knowledge about the force. Also Kylo Ren wasn’t fully trained in the force either.
He calls Rey a Mary Sue character and then explains why. You can make the case that Luke Skywalker is a Mary Sue character then. Luke grew up on a farm, but yet was made a squad leader. To fly an X-wing that he’s never flown before. To do a combat mission. When he’s never had any combat training at all. While flying in his very first combat mission. In an aircraft he’s never flown before. He somehow knows to quite his mind to listen to Obi Wan to use the force. When the only training Luke had was an hour lecture from Obi Wan. Luke also knows to speak with Leia through the force. When before that, Luke didnt think it was possible to use the force to lift his x-wing out of the swap.
He talks about Snoke. Yet the creator doesn’t know that Snoke was a clone made by Palpatine to be his puppet. Speaking of clones. The creator doesn’t realize Palpatine in The Rise of Skywalker was a clone himself. A clone that the original Palpatine made in case something happen to him.
This creator a long with a lot of “Star Wars fans” think they would know how the characters would behave. Yet their knowledge of Star Wars is limited. They’ve never read anything from legends to what the current canon is. They make content on what they think should happen.
@@tronnorth726stfu grandpa. Get back to bed
The worst part of the sequels is that they made Anakin NOT the chosen one due to the fact that if palpatine survived the fall, which was supposed to bring balance ti the force, then he really didn’t did he.
Palpatine dying in episode 6 also showed something he didn’t see coming
Maybe he did see it coming and that's why he is still alive and went into hiding until Episode 9. Its still a terrible oversight to have him die and then come back in a special secret world that nobody could find.
@@slickman8691 Wdym "oversight"?
By that, I assume you mean the "worst part of the sequels" is how they ended up disregarding Lucas' DVD interview interpretation of this "chosen one prophecy" that was introduced in the movies in such an opaque and contradictory under-explained fashion that he had to explain it in said interview since it was really impossible to tell what it was supposed to be about, and also was a giant retcon of the original storyline that didn't match said storyline at all?
Wow, what a savvy and lucid take.
@@WreckageBrother-rd5zfummm not sure what you are talking about with "opaque" and such since I didn't even realize that George Lucas interview existed and I understood the chosen one prophecy perfectly from how it was setup. The prophecy is clearly stated by Qui Gon to be "the one who brings *balance*" and all the interpretations in the movie are very clearly setup to be misunderstandings because both the Jedi and senate have their own interpretations that work in their favor.
Also, wasn't a retcon considering Anakin/Vader has always been the "chosen one", especially if you see old material on the OT, even if it was executed slightly differently. Luke was never the Chosen One in the OT, he was the Hero to bring the light, not the person to bring balance
For number 2, the villain problem, you forgot Captain Phasma.
I don’t blame you.
lord please i want to see more competent stormtroopers
Yeah, they did Phasma worse than all the rest I'd say.
That just goes to show how forgettable she is, that she wasn't even mentioned in the section dunking on the villains
@@patrickstyle24816 The villains in the new trilogy are either non-threatening or forgettable. Which was stated in the video; the fact the uploader actually *forgot* Phasma pretty much proves his point.
underrated comment
The worst things about the sequels can be compressed into one thing: they exist.
What do you mean? There are no sequels to the original trilogy, it's all in your head
@@toastergaming7783 Wrong, the sequels ARE the original trilogy. We have the prequels and sequels. 🤷♂️
@@SonicSatamAnimationsSay sike right now🔫💀
@ThoraxetheImpaile100 this was all because Disney betrayed George Lucas.
The legends sequel novels were better than this
And one of the worst things Disney did was destroying the lightsaber fighting stiles. Now they just have a BASEBALL (com)BAT form.
Younglings: Shii Cho
Count Dooku: Makashi
Obi Wan Kenobi: Soresu
Master Yoda: Ataru
Anakin Skywalker: Shien/Djem So
Ahsoka Tano: Niman
Darth Sidious: Jar Kai
Mace Windu: Vapaad
Maul: Juyo
Noone: Trakata
Rey: Baseball Bat
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it makes sense why the seguel duels dont look as good becouse there were no jedi left to train anyone
Sadly
@@marja-liisamakinen676 explain luke vs leia
This, this right here so real
Thank you for defending the true legacy of Star Wars and George Lucas. I have lost hope for Star Wars… but channels like yours rekindle that hope as I desperately hold to my chest the prayer that true Star Wars fans will not fade into silence and obscurity as a result of this corporate-greed madness. I am genuinely impressed with your ability to articulate the proper anatomy of stories and writing of a movie script. Well done, sir!
thanks slugger, appreciate the feedback
@@Jedwerd GENERAL JEDWARD
@@Jedwerd YOU ARE A BOLD ONE
Geoge Lucas created it Disney ruined it Dave Filoni saved it
Is trying to save it Disney is still making garbage@@vorlux6354
I think the worst thing about them is that they had no plan. They knew for a fact it was going to be a trilogy. They could've sat down and worked out what all three films were going to be before doing any filming, but instead they just chose to make it up as they went along, setting up all kinds of questions which are never resolved and plot points which are later retconned. This is an utterly baffling choice.
To be fair, Carrie Fisher's untimely passing probably caused a lot of the plans to be abandoned. But at the same time, it would have been smart for the writers to have a contingency plan for when one of the major actors dies during a big project. They easily could have gotten some fallback options for if this happened with Hamill or one of the new actors.
And it's not like they lacked the money to write contingency scripts, this is _Star Wars,_ after all, and it's owned by Disney. These films might as well have had no concept of a budget. While the corporation ultimately cares about the profitability of the franchise rather than its quality, they still could easily have provided the financial resources to make sure that the writers didn't have to improvise.
@@Daniel_Huffman It's not like they really had any plans in the first place. How on Earth they greenlit a script for The Force Awakens in which Luke, Han and Leia are never all on screen at the same time is beyond me.
Imagine if the first order used the Tie defenders from rebels
Your suggestion is logical. And Disney doesn't approve it😂
They're still fuck it up
How about in Rise of Skywalker, the way the “ancient” knife showed a location on the 30 year old Death Star wreckage 😂
😂😂😂people in the theater actually laughed out loud
There are people who don't like the sequels and then there are people who are wrong.
For the die hard sequel defenders, i give rey’s first fight with kylo a pass because he was injured pretty badly. But that’s the only good point they have for defending the entire trilogy because the rest is so unforgivable
I’ll add a few words, the sequels had some cool shots like Luke staring at a sunset as he died and things like that, but what seems to have happened was Disney had a few interesting ideas, and had absolutely no idea how to force the plot to get us to that point, and the result is utter garbage
To me the sequals are uncanon legends
I don’t know any sequel defender or apologist who is not an extremely political person
Luke was by far one of my favorite characters. But I hate what Disney was thinking by turning into someone helpless and someone that just did not care about the jedi anymore. This is why I barely count the sequels as star wars
me too it sucks the duels aren’t even duels they are just baseball bat duels
To me the sequals are uncanon legends
@@vorlux6354everything Disney makes is non canon, and if you ask me, anything that Disney “purged” from canon is still canon.
@@alice-dl6mf Even Mandalorian, Rebels, Rouge One, Kenobi, Jedi Fallen Order, Jedi Survivor, Clone Wars Final season, Solo, Andor, Ashoka and Bad Batch
@@vorlux6354 fair. But were the cal games made by Disney?
Anakin: loses hands
Luke: loses hand
Leia: loses han
Obi-wan: loses
Rey:
oh noes, someone has to lose sth
Nah, here goes:
Anakin: loses hands
Luke: loses hand
Leia: loses Han
Obi-Wan: loses
Rey: loser
@@davidpotvin4983 nah here it Is
Anakin: Loses all of his limbs
Obi Wan: Loses Satine
Luke: Loses his hand
Leia: Loses Han
Rey: Loser
OT Luke to Vader who's responsible for millions of deaths: there is still good in you
SQ Luke to his apperntice having a nightmare: i will do what my father did in order 66
second one's more based tbh
The worst thing that happened to star wars : Kathleen Kennedy and Disney
Ray is like killing elden beast from elden ring at level one.
ive never played Elden Ring, but that sounds about right
@@Jedwerd it's like the final and one of the hardest bosses in the game. Love you content by the way. 👍
@@nidhoggr8193 thanks slugger
@@nidhoggr8193 malenia blade of miquella gave me grey hairs elden beast was more reasonable in my opinion
@@Local_commentor that's true.
Palpatine being the main villain behind everything could’ve worked & it would’ve been consistent having the same true villain for all three trilogies but they should have made him a Force Ghost secretly manipulating Kylo or something.
The thing I like about TLJ is crait since a salt planet is very interesting. There's probably even one in space somewhere
I like the concept, but every piece of metal in there should have been rusted beyond belief
@@Jedwerd they used rusteez
@@thepeskyone rustee-z
another positive of TLJ are the new FO star destroyers introduced. The Fulminatrix and Supremacy are just perfect designs to me, topped off by the ominous hum that they make when exiting hyperspace. So yes, I do love the space dorito and the really unnecessarily long one, fight me.
@@Jedwerd i loved i loved them all theyre my favourites every single one of them and not just the original trilogy but the preguels and the sguels too theyre star wars and enjoyed them like star wars i love them!
Imagine where Mandalorian and Bad Batches story would’ve been if Palpatine wasn’t revived
Great points and good video 👍
Actually, I felt kind of akward when I started to watch the sequel triology and here is the thing that "disturbed" me the most : for Kylo Ren (I know you already mentionned it), I thought he would be a potential vilain, powerful, well trained.... and yet you have Rey coming out of nowhere, not even trained by anyone, able to use the force to move objects without any notable practice who beats this so called Sith Lord like nothing.
The fact she can master the ability to generate lightings quite destroys the concept of the Dark Side of the force. In the trilogy I, II, III, we learn that lightings force is something that only powerful and well trained Sith formed to the dark side (in episode 3 when Palpatine reveals Anakin he is a Sith Lord and in episode 2 when Dooku reveals his ability to master them). Rey isn't a Sith Lord but she manages to master that ability without being formed by an actual Sith Lord which is unlogic. The explainations says that Rey is Darth Sidious' great daughter (I don't really know who he found to have an actual descent at the point of having a great daughter) which is why she can master this power. By that logic, Luke Skywalker can also use the force to choke people no matter distance between him and the victim like his father, right ?
Disney also kind of denigrated the firsts Star Wars concepts : Back then, jedis had to follow a complete formation to the end of which they will become master. Even the original triology ensure that becoming a jedi requires a training : Luke Skywalker was formed by Obi Wan but also Yoda for the most of the part, he failed when facing Vador the first time and managed to win against him in a second battle and saved him from the Dark Side.
But still Rey managed to be a jedi without any difficulties which kind of nullifies the value of all the other jedis characters like Obi Wan Kenobi, Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker, etc...
Rey fighting Kylo is like Steve using gold armor to defeat the ender dragon.
In the words of the true Obi-Wan we all know and love: you are strong and wise and I am very proud of you.
I’m glad that someone close to my age can appreciate Star Wars for what it was meant to be.
If he doesnt talk about 'somehow palpatine returned' i will be sad
I think you got it exactly right when you said that under any scrutiny nothing makes sense. It’s like they just did stuff for the sake of doing it, with no consideration into the context or the story.
That describes a lot of the plot point of The Last Jedi. Stuff done just so the story can ‘subvert’ our expectations.
They kept their plan hidden from Poe for most of the movie, but once they do tell him, he says that it’s a great plan. So why hide it? So they can surprise the audience and also make his mutiny look dumb and unjustified.
Why did Finn and Rose find that ship with records of selling to both sides, despite the fact that the First Order build their own ships? So that they can prove the people on Canto Blight are war profiteers and show that things aren’t black and white.
How did DJ figure out what the Resistance was planning, despite Finn, Poe, and arose not knowing? To show you shouldn’t trust some guy you busted out of jail, and to make their whole plot line pointless.
Why did Rose crash into Finn before he rammed the laser? So they could give some corny sappy speech about saving the ones you love.
One of the things I hated so much is that Rey was given more power than Anakin and Luke combined. Her force healing alone makes Anakin look weak to the core and he's supposed to be powerful AF, the force itself made him for crying out loud. (At least it's implied). She's so op, so flawless, it's sooo stupid! I remember when I saw those things in TFA & I was like damn that ruins/contradicts everything that came before! I was complaining in my head over & over when I saw it in the theater. I knew TFA was trash when it was getting all this praise while everyone was still shitting on the Prequels. TFA didn't even feel like a Star Wars movie when I first saw it, it just felt like some generic space movie with a bit of Star Wars sprinkled over it. It pissed me off so much how people couldn't see the same problems I was seeing.
Second, I hated how they killed off Han (yes I know Harrison Ford didn't wanna make more of these movies) but still would have been nice to have seen Han, Luke, & Leia TOGETHER on screen again even for a few scenes at least! Such a missed opportunity!
Third, I hated how they butchered Luke and how I didn't get to see what I wanted to see - which was Luke's new rebuilt Jedi order. Instead we got to see how the Jedi order was pretty much non existent again, which is what made everything so boring since they had no good villains. They had zero plan as we all now know, at least a rebuilt Jedi order would've given Luke something to do.
Last, yes it didn't feel like a big universe/galaxy & the lightsaber fights were dog crap. Say what you will about the Prequels (I myself am a big fan of them) but they're definitely masterpieces compared to the (non canon imo) crap sequels. The worst thing is is that they're bringing boring Rey back and giving her exactly what I wanted to see Luke do In this trilogy. Pathetic. They make Rey the "real" chosen one for defeating palpatine (again 🙄) over Anakin, and they take away Luke's legacy and give his job to Rey with this new movie they'll be making. What a bunch of croc, I will NOT be seeing that movie at all, no interest. Star Wars is dead
100% agreed, couldn’t have said it better.
See? Rian Johnson subverted all your expectations. Brilliant
@@laneneely1077 you can subvert expectations and it can still suck, it's only brilliant if it's done right & unfortunately it wasn't
Not sure you mentioned this, but also how they just kill off ackbar.
Everyone thing you said about Rey being op. You can say about Luke. Luke who only had a few hours of introduction to the force. Was able to quite his mind and hear Obi Wan tell him to use the force to destroy the Death Star. Luke who grew up on a farm. Was given a squad in a combat mission.
The lightsaber duels in the squeals are suppose to be bad. All lightsaber forms was lost during the great purge. So how could anyone be great duelist. Luke himself wasn’t even one in ROTJ.
As for what Disney did to Luke character. I kind of agree that he was mistreated, but at the same time. It is in line with the over all story of Star Wars. Yoda and Obi Wan both went into exile. So that part I don’t mind as much. What I did hate was the guy who saw redeeming qualities in someone. Tried to murder his nephew. That part of the story was BS.
Yes
Finally someone who mentions what happen between the 30 year gap 😎
gotta ask
Clearly Disney's answer is something like, Who cares. Don't ask questions and just go along with it.
It is so bad. That they are having to rely on TV shows and books that came out years later to try and explain is just the worst thing they've done.
That’s why the Expanded Universe exists. Disney didn’t burn every book that’s been written throughout the years, if you want to know more about the further adventures of Luke then just search for them in the EU. No one likes to read anymore. He has a wife, descendants, etc.
@@Bingo_the_Pug More people need to read them. There are so many guides for best place to start etc. It will blow anything disney are gonna make with the name new jedi order away.
@@Bingo_the_PugDisney canon and the EU are two different animals.
If you watch closely the ray vs palps, you will see when the lightning hits his face, he lowers his hands and stops but lightning is still coming from the sabers
They've also completely forgot how the hell lightsabers work
"he just took the darth maul way out" 1-6 are the best episodes
I really liked Hux and Kylo in episode 7 (Kylo before he took of his helmet😂) But the last Jedi destroyed them
Honestly, one of the best parts of the Last Jedi is when he decides to destroy the stupid mask and become his own villain. The lamest villains copy and try to be other villains. 😄
I always thought Kylo was terrible and a phoned in Vader knock-off.
Really all they could come up with for a villain was the Emperor turns ANOTHER Skywalker into his apprentice and makes him betray the jedi who changes his name, wear a mask and be #2 for the Empire before his inevitable redemption? (literally dies saving the hero from the Emperor's lightning in a throne room showdown?)
And don't get me started on Death Star III and Clone Palpatine.
Couldn't stand Hux or any character in any movie that tries to act overly serious. Made him even worse by him being the Resistance spy despite the dude blowing up a planet and killing billions
Finn story arc had so much potential when it all started. Having a storm trooper break out the code and fight for the rebels would’ve been amazing enough
Number 1. They exist.
I'm sick of characters getting stabbed by lightsabers and being immediately revived. Getting impaled by a lightsaber would make you recoil so much you would end up cutting yourself apart not to mention the person holding the lightsaber pulls it straight in and out. Poor Qui-Gon he died from one hit.
That turned me away from the Ahsoka series too, this happens way too often lately. I've seen people argue that it didn't hit vital organs, but that argument doesn't work because if lightsabers melt blast doors, they melt organs too. People also used Darth Maul surviving as an argument - which also doesn't work, because it is a completely different issue. Maul's death was retconned for fanservice 10 years after his death, and he had an amazing character arc in the clone wars. Meanwhile, several characters lately survived getting stabbed.
@@noivern8869 The more believable ways to survive though would be a fast cut through like with Luke because it could cauterize it as it slashes through so Maul surviving is more believable than the others. You are right on though if it is stuck in you it would just vaporize all the moisture (blood) killing all organs around it .
What makes a good story is character development, and the sequels had none of that in their main protagonist, Rey
Exactly. Anakin was a force prodigy too but he had an interesting character arc. Rey was just a plank.
The prequels were made 100% more enjoyable if you watch the Clone Wars my sons were after me for years saying You Will Love it and after watching it once I have rewatched several times the last four episodes of the series are good enough to be a feature film.
Hell yeah man the clone wars is what got me into Star Wars initially, then I watched the prequels so the characters were already fleshed out and I cared for them. The clone wars fixes the prequels. Idk if there’s any fixing the sequels, I just pretend they don’t exist
@@Aaron-fb6mbThe "sequels" are too crappy to be fixed
7:38 Exegol was a thing even before the sequels, there’s only a few (new and exciting) things they introduced but Exegol was not one of them. I double-checked, There’s a lot of “new” things in the sequels that already existed, they were just obscure.
On the last point, just look at the title crawls vs the last scene of the preceding movie:
End of VI: The Empire is defeated, good triumphs.
Title crawl VII: The successors of the rebels are fighting the successors of the Empire.
End of VII: The rebels blow up Starkiller Base.
Title VIII: Literally days after Starkiller Base explodes, the First Order reigns supreme!
End of VIII: Kylo is the Supreme Leader, the Resistance is so defeated it can fit in a single ship.
Title IX: Palpatine is back! Oh and the Resistance had a bunch more ships; but so does the First Order.
This is incoherent. One movie doesn't flow into the next. Not just in style, tone, and theme, but in basic plot mechanics. 8 year old me managed more coherent plot lines sitting in my underoos with my Han Solo figure frozen in a jelly jar.
The most insulting thing:rey defeats the same 6 red guys twice.same scene ,just filmed from a different angle.4 billion. 🤮
another guy had beef with the fucking sky for some reason
I hate shakey camera.
Excellent analysis young man.
That's impressive that you saw the sequel trilogy at 10 years old but you're able to completely slaughter it and see all their faults already.
That says alot about how universal the problems of those movies are.
Amazing that you managed to summarise in only 5 points
For me the worst thing is that they completely ignored the real chosen one-Anakin and prophecy about him and made Rey the chosen one. It is outrageous
I think your way of fixing Luke and giving him the same arc would have been fine, but I wondered why they didn't just have Luke and Snoke answer one another's questions - Snoke is badly scarred from a battle with Luke, and the battle was so taxing that Luke was cut off from the Force, and he went to Typhon to try to reconnect to it. Kills two birds with one stone. And while we're at it, why not have Rey showing up and receiving training be the key to Luke finding a new path to the Force? Luke rebuilds his connection as he teaches Rey what he knows from memory - a case of going back to the basics. I don't know if that's great writing, but nothing in the films ties together with their training anyway, so I doubt it could be worse.
Describe one word about the sequels that’s bad! Me: everything
Jar jar is gigachad
darn right
Darth Jar Jar would been cool.
When I saw Force Awakens, one thought came to mind. “We’ll someone remade A New Hope!!”
Jar Jar Binks has at least A TON for meme material.
Rey has little to nothing.
rey killed the last skywalker .. you cant say she was kind
-Rey
-Rey
-Rey
-Rey
- Finn screaming "Rey".
Luke Skywalker and Mark Hamill were treated with comtempt in these films. I would even stretch it to most or even all the Star Wars actors have been treated with contempt by Disney, but especially Mark Hamill and Hayden Christensen. And yet the actors are so loyal to the Star Wars franchise. Daniel Radcliff would have walked away a long time ago.
No scene with luke, han and leia together is my biggest problem with the sequals
I gotta say something it would’ve been better if the villain of the rise of Skywalker was a darker charger, and also when I was watching the rise of Skywalker, I was hoping that Palpa teen was going to win, because I hated all of the characters who won the kind of feels the same way, replied to this comment
The point of kylo ren isn't that he is a barrier to Rey he is a mirror version of Rey and they are similar in power kylo ren isn't even like a proper villain he is a more conflicted version of rey
I can explain how Sidious survived.
He surpassed Plageuis and fugrued out how to cheat death, so when he was thrown down the death star shaft just as his body hit the bottom he did the same trick Obi Wan did in the original film, he submitted his spirit to the force. From there he had clone bodies made (probably set in place in the event of his death) and everytime a clone vessel was made he transferred his spirit into that clone body, but none of these clone body vessells were strong enough for Palpatine to fully comeback, so when he has Kylo and Rey on their knees he drains their force energy from them to as he says "restore the one true emperor"
One thing I didnt get was Sidious' plan for Rey to kill him so he could transfer his spirit into her body and take over control. Theres no way he would know that would work
He somehow survived, and I'm sure that's not how. As far as Rey killing him, I don't think it was to actually control her, but living in her like all the other siths that was in Palpatine.
The character of Mary Sue came from a parody of Star Trek called a trekkers tale. Disney seems to have forgotten this fact and instead thinks that being a Mary Sue is empowering or something
Kennedy is making yet another Rey movie and is sure it will be a hit.
Because of you I'm back in my 'Fuck the sequels' phase. By the way I change between 'fuck the sequels' and 'the sequels don't exist'.
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To build off of this, a lightsaber is completely different from a sword. The blade is weightless. It’s all in the hilt.
The blade can’t be completely weightless, because then people would just frantically wave it around like a deadly flashlight.
@@madison-3325 that’s exactly what we see in the anakin vs dooku fight. The problem is, you have to be ridiculously skilled in offensive lightsaber combat to do that without cutting yourself open, and that just so happens to be exactly what anakin was. Dooku was also the master of form two, (THE master, which means there weren’t any others) so he was able to mimic anakin.
The worst problem with the sequels is that either they justify scenarios with the worst justification possible, or with literally no sensible justification. A lot of things just make you question "why?" and "why not that instead of this?"
Honestly I like Hux being the spy. It makes a lot of sense with how Imperial politics works. He was shunted from his position and is now lashing out to get back at the cause. They should have done it a lot better, not making him a joke character for one but also giving him some plan as to how he's going to use the resistance to somehow get his position back or one of equal value elsewhere. So it's not just about petty revenge with no real tangible reward at the end.
What the first order is and how it relates to the galaxy is explained in the books. It's dumber than the movies themselves so it's no wonder it was left out. They were basically ignored after Mon Mothma and her peace and hope toting cronies figured they had won. The new republic then set about getting rid of all their military power against Leia and all the generals and admirals wishes and despite the empire literally still being out there. They believe that having any kind of fleets would make them the same as the empire. Totally neglecting the fact that not protecting their people is the same or worse. So they literally had no defence anymore which is why it's the "resistance" and not some arm of the new republics fleet. They don't have fleets.
Also I keep seeing this and it really bugs me. The Bombers are really dumb but they make sense. Why does everyone seem to think the bombs would stop falling as soon as they hit space? There's nothing to stop them, it's not water, they aren't going to float away, they'll just keep going the direction they already were. This is basic physics so why is everyone missing it? There's gravity in the ship, we see this because the girl and remote both fall, all ships in starwars have their own gravity, we aren't told how it works it just does. Technically the bombs at the top might fall faster and hit the ones at the bottom but we can assume the rack they are in is designed to stop that, or even helps to propell them faster than simply falling. Whatever the case there is no reason the bombs wouldn't just keep "falling" towards the Dreadnaught. We can even assume they are using those ships instead of Y-wings or something because the bombs are more powerful and they need that to actually blow it up. The bombers themselves though are really dumb and there is no reason for them to be going so slow other than to create the scene he wanted. I hate hate hate the movie but it drives me nuts that people just can't wrap their heads around those stupid bombs. Yes they could have simply shot the bombs forward and had the same affect but then they wouldn't have their awful ww2 bomber scene so they needed to be "dropped." If the bombers somehow protected the bombs long enough for them to be "dropped" it would make more sense but as we saw that is not the case, opposite infact.
Love to see competent, reasonable people, who understands what a ridiculous and money-scheming circus of a movie this so called "sequel trilogy". Great video, keep up the good work!
12:35 This is only true in Kylo’s version of the events. There’s actually 3 interpretations you are given throughout TLJ.
*Luke’s initial lie*: Ben attacked Luke in the hut, destroys temple
*Kylo’s*: Luke goes to Kylo’s hut to kill him, Kylo defends himself and flees, destroying the temple
*True version* (given after Rey demands answers): Luke goes to Ben’s hut to talk with him about his conflicting emotions. Luke then senses Ben killing Han and the others as Kylo, and reflexively activates his saber. Afterwards Ben is left looking at Luke, flees and destroys the temple sometime after. This is crucial because it shows Luke wasn’t fearing “bad vibes” he was fearing the destruction of everything he had loved and fought to build up to that point.
I’m not sure why everyone collectively takes up Kylo’s own twisted versions of events as gospel, but it’s important to take up the true interpretation because it does show growth. Luke would never harm his nephew, which is exactly why he didn’t; but as a master he shouldn’t have shown that brief moment of fear, which made him shut himself off from the force.
Of course, his way of thinking is absolutely incorrect, which is why he, after his talk with Yoda and interactions with Rey, gets up and influences the next generation to fight evil by saving the fleet and denying Kylo his vengeance (which would have completely tilted him over the edge)
Realistically, this never should have been a problem to begin with. You don't think Luke would have done absolutely everything possible to make sure that Ben understood what the Dark Side is and why it's so dangerous? You think he wouldn't have told him the tale of Vader as a cautionary tale? The fact that Luke even lets Ben get to that point is confusing.
Also, if Luke was able to turn back Darth Vader to the light, a man who has killed thousands of people, why would he think that Ben was gone?
@@michaeljessemusic Luke had known there was conflict in Ben, but it was rising and rising steadily. it’s exactly why he goes to the hut to finally confront him about it in the true flashback. Ben knew the dark side’s evils, which is why Ben, even as Kylo, was never a Sith Lord and never could actually tap into the dark fully. He was ALWAYS conflicted with himself.
Also Luke did “lose” Ben as a student, but he never believes him to be lost to the dark forever. Before he confronts Kylo, he comforts Leia by saying “no one’s ever really gone” and sacrifices himself so that his other student (Rey) can help save everyone.
Again I’m not sure why people misinterpreted Luke so much in the film, or why everyone seemed to have just taken the villain’s interpretation of events as gospel, but I hope in a few more years the movie can go under more re-evaluation and get the appreciation I think it deserves
@@frostyfrenchtoast Then my next question is why didn't he do something about it sooner? If he never lost hope, why did he drop the training ball?
Also, I'm in the middle of different debate with someone else about TLJ, and it's been like pulling nails with your teeth. All he does is call me sexist when I've given him so many other female characters I like and my reasons. He can barely make an arugment and we're just now getting to the why after four days. It's refreshing to see you make a coherent argument. So, no matter how the rest of THIS debate goes, you've got my respect (which means VERY little in the grand scheme of things).
@@frostyfrenchtoast the sequels ended most of the fandom. Disney killed the golden goose.
There is no future redemption for this particular set of three movies. No one wants a rey in the future of star wars.
People who waited decades for more stories of the star wars heroes lost faith after watching this wish version of star wars.
On par with how rings of patriarchy ruined LOTR for future generations.
Personally I think anyone who says the sequels were good, or tries to make it seem better than it is by giving an 'interpretation' of the movies by filling in stuff that wasn't there is just wrong.
Its like reading a romance novel and afterwards imagining battles, mysteries, and events that didn't occur in said book and telling your friends you liked it because of how you imagined it to be better.
Not all trash is someone else's treasure, sometimes it's just trash.
@@the10thdimension lol. True.
Worst things in the sequels:
Palpatine's return
Weaker Luke
Kylo ren (so weak that he had truble with a random girl and a storm trooper (with training) that Both were using a light saber for the first time)
General hux being an spy
Yeah 😅
Star Killer Base destroyed the entire New Republic in The Force Awakens, we do know.
That last point about context? Yeah, that’s the biggest flop of all for sure.
I recommend MauLer’s take on Force Awakens (with Han on the thumbnail). Long video, but worth a watch.
It’s got the “Unbridled Rage” label 👀
I like MauLer
Why recommend the (self-admittedly) much stupider "unbridled rage" video when his other ones are a lot smarter?
You’re perceptive, articulate and got a great sense of humour. I’m laughing watching all your videos 😂 👍🏾
Thanks champ, I really appreciate it. I’m actually smiling reading this right now 😊
You completely forgot to add Captain Phasma, She had potential, but never was given any chance. All shiny, But No Edge.
Fantastic break down! Love the explanation of the points
I think that The Force Awakens wasen't actually that bad.
@kill commies / santa believer enjoyer you should check out MauLer’s
“Force Awakens: An Unbridled Rage” if you’re willing to have your mind changed lol
I'm thoroughly impressed that you were able to narrow it down to just 5 biggest flaws. Needless to say this abysmal trilogy is a target rich environment. Disney killed my all time favorite franchise.
The point about Rey being too good with a lightsaber when she's used a staff all her life is so true, and it was easily fixable. All they had to do was give her a double bladed lightsaber, or have her use something more similar to a sword to start out with, its actually crazy how badly they fumbled something so simple.
Impressive you were able to narrow it down to only five. I remember seeing the original on opening weekend. If the sequels were being performed live in my kitchen, I would even turn my head to look.
i totally agree fundamentally to all of your points completely.
another thing you notice hugely in the new ones vs th eold ones. (although you touched on the lack of imagination) but even the symbolsim of so many things in scenes that lucas did certain color shchemes in many scenes in many of the films that added depth to all of that. you just didn't see that in these ones.
huh
@@WreckageBrother-rd5zf i see you don't quite understand what i was getting at. So some examples. for instance in ESB, there are a copule scenes. the first in that room where they freeze han solo, the oranges and dark blues the darker background and the fog /smoke coming up really works with the emotions of the scene so well. and then later when luke shows up , ou have the similar dark room with the blues and orange, with the dark silloette of vader with the contarsting red and blue sabres. even dagobah, and the fact it is swampny full of life, mysteirous. goes with the mystery and tone etc.. in retrun of the jedi, the throne room, and esepcially with the color schemes etc.. of luke and vader again battling the good and dark etc.. in revenge of the sith the entire time anikin is on Mustafar, the planet is lava and hot , one moment he loos up at the sun with a tear in his eye where the sun is mostly blocked by the vabor of the hot lava. as casing a sahdow over the light depicting aniking falling from the light. and then mustfar and its orange, hot firey surfae and all that happened in that battle was lsymoblic of anikin decending to the depths of hell . just little things like that.
@@Johnadams20760 Ah sure, I thought you meant like more specific "color symbolism" or something;
well yeah all that's true, although the new movies also seem to have evocative environments, so not entirely sure what the fundamental difference is. (Arguably they even have moments where they go more overt with the "symbolism".)
@@WreckageBrother-rd5zf well, i wrote all that out at 2 am i think initially lol. but i sort of meant a bit of both things.
@@WreckageBrother-rd5zf well, yeah, the environments in the new ones. jakuu was just Tatooine 2.0, Krait was just (looks like hoth but with red under the salt. which is cool, but sort of redundant), that planet Maz Kanata was on is sort of just like Earth mostly. .
but another thing in the ne movies, esepecailly the first one. the lighting they used to film it. and i don't know how that works, but the color or the richenss of said colors, or contrast, or whatever you want to call it, felt off comared to all the originals. the last one was a bit better with that.
You forgot something about Rey: she's using anger and *litteraly* Dark Side several times during the 8th and 9th movie...but we don't care 'cause no one ever spoke about it in the movies and Disney (and directors) thought that we were too stupid to see it !
Also rey’s writing was almost an exact mirror of Luke’s: a desert orphan finds a droid with a secret that will destroy the first order/empire. They then find a mysterious old man who is an experienced jedi. The old man jedi then dies, rey/Luke then kills palpatine. And there you go.
The sad thing is is that people can’t seem to understand that even if theirs a movie you don’t like it doesn’t mean go hate on the actors or actresses because one thing is that they didn’t write the movie
True. But what if you though the actors were shit too?
I thought Daisy Ridley was ok, but nothing amazing and still looked as though she was in stage school. John Boyega was absolutely awful. Dunno who played Kylo Ren or Poe they were that insignificant.
I can’t tell you any other productions that any of these actors have been a part of due to their blinding mediocrity.
I agree that being in crap movies doesn’t help your career, but you can still stand out as a good actor in a shit movie.
@@dazediss6629 That is true though
@@dazediss6629well your point is kinda moot since Oscar Isaac (Poe) and Adam Driver (Kylo) have had renowned roles and are regarded as pretty good actors. John Boyega has also been allowed to flourish in They Cloned Tyrone
Does anyone ever remember Luke's wife from Legends? Please, don't tell me I'm the only one.
Of course! Mara Jade! Loved her and honestly the sequel trilogy should have been the Thrawn trilogy by Timothy Zahn
The Map to Skywalker was that R2-D2 got valuable data from the Empire and the locations of Jedi Temples when he plugged into the information base of the Death Star during Star Wars: Episode IV A New Hope. The film for some reason didn't explain it. It was called the Map to Skywalker because Luke disappeared and the map is the only way to find him via the Jedi Temple particularly the first Jedi Temple.
Speaking of world building, did you know that Jupiter and Neptune have diamond rains? What if we could see a planet like that?
well, at least the sequels didn't ruin Leia
They did she was underutilized.
More than Luke in every way. They destroyed all of her achievements. The new republic and the whole resistence. it is also stated that the galaxy hated her since it was found out that Vader was her father. After all her sacrifices nothing is still there.
@@danielschoch4881 They still ruined Luke just as much, but yeah Leia was thrown under the bus as well. Only thing you missed was how she reached out to Ben, seemingly only to catch him off guard so Rey could kill him. Her own son. Also, how the hell did Leia sense Rey and Ben fighting 😂 or when the right moment would be
They did they made her a Monster mother
Rogue One was the only good Star Wars movie after the prequels.
@@sodorlorekeeper828 ahh, a man of culture 🤌
And solo
The sequels will always hold a special place in my heart as they were the first movies I ever saw in a movie theater as a kid edit: I know that means I’m super young and what if I am?
You missed out
Bingr watch the original and prequel trilogy before watching the sequels again and I want you to compare these
Lightsaber duels from the prequels vs sequels
Luke and Rey as a character and fheir devlopment (how they changfle for the better)
Ship designs (like the resistance transport and bomber vs the prequels ships)
What makes you cry more
I also Grew up watching the sequel and even 8 year old me hated it when i watched the orginals i saw that the sequel were just dog shit
Disney were arrogant enough to think they didn’t need to have a plan for all three films to start with, then they threw away GL’s notes and worse of all they didn’t think they needed to listen to the fans or cater to the very people that given them the opportunity to make Star Wars
I agree that the sequels suck but imo the Obi-Wan series wasn't that bad i mean it was no mando or clone wars but it had some cool stuff like the final vader fight
Well tbh I quite enjoyed the obi wan show
i could see why people dont like what they did with boba fett but with the others shows I honestly quite liked what they did with the characters.
@@whynot7507 I haven’t watched the bob show so I can’t comment on that but mando and obi wan was pretty good tbh
I enjoyed the first episode but it just got more and more frustrating from there
@@harrambou9468 odd. Everyone else seems like it's the exact opposite. The later 3 episodes are the favorites
@@harrambou9468 nah it was ok not the best but still
incredible video dude! you sound very professional and knowledgeable. 100% agree
thanks slugger
Respect for limiting yourself to just five items.
I'm very confused about people who like the sequel trilogy.
i am one of those poeple and i am gathering an army of seguel fans i already have 3 members including my self
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@@SchardtCinematic you guys hate how the seguels handeld luke but i bet youre completely fine with how the preguels treaated yoda
@@marja-liisamakinen676 The prequels treated Yoda with respect. He was shown to be very wise and powerful despite being 850 years old around episode 1. I hated how Ruin Johnson messed up what a Firce ghost can do. Yoda might as well been fully alive. Force ghosts are a guiding spirit. Yes Ben sat down beside Luke in ROTJ on that log. But he wasn't shown any ability to still use the force in this state. He was part of the force.
@@SchardtCinematic seeing yoda with a lightsaber and dong ninja flips is just so upsetting to me this isnt yoda not helped by the fact that yodas number 1 solution to anything is to kill the bad guy
My god! The sequels are so bad a 5 year old could write a better story!
Rey could have been so easy to fix.
She is good with a staff, but she had to become good at it because Jakku can be a merciless place. Make her prone to violence, have serious trust issues, and just make her consider selling BB-8, because what food she sees is more than she has ever seen. Essentially, make her more selfish and doing actions depending on how she benefits from them. And her character developpment could be getting over these issues.
In The Force Awakens, Kylo Ren was not really trying to defeat Rey. He wanted to lure her to the Dark Side, instead of killing her. Apart from the earh-split, that is why he "lost" that fight.
On the topic of the bikes, I like what they were going for. The idea of having a jetpack trooper on the back of a bike is honestly pretty cool. Even on a tactical level I think it makes a fair degree of sense since the jump troopers presumably have limited fuel, so if you need to get them to a place quickly or just want highly-mobile infantry on patrol, you can have them on the back of the bikes.
And on the topic of the First Order / Republic / Resistance world-building, it could've been so cool if they'd paid off the set up in the title crawl. The FO is a semi-legitimate government of Imperial Remnants, nominally at peace with the New Republic. The Resistance is a clandestine and deniable asset which can be used to counter the First Order without directly involving the New Republic until they're ready to deal with them. Maybe there are other Imperial Remnants or a new independent faction that seems to be a much bigger threat than the First Order, who the Republic wants to deal with - either peacefully or militarily - so as to avoid the FO or the other faction(s) taking advantage of the New Republic being occupied, and they use the resistance to keep one busy until the other can be dealt with.
Then when the First Order destroy the New Republic's planets, it's completely out of the blue. The FO (a minor remnant) was seemingly being kept in-check by the resistance, so to both the New Republic and any other factions, the First Order is suddenly a much more major player and a bigger threat. And then you could have them expand as other Imperial Remnants see them as the guys who are sticking it to the New Republic, and ally themselves with the First Order, while the New Republic recovers and prepares to deal with the suddenly much more real threat of the First Order.
IDK, just my thoughts really.
This video is fax
I write this before I watch the video. The number one problem with the sequels was the absolutely piss poor universe building. I mean, 30 years passed from the end of the original trilogy, but absolutely zero time was given to explaining anything that happened in those decades. They just introduce this "first order" to replace the empire, but they never explain what it is, where it came from, how it rose to power, etc. And it introduced a bunch of new characters while marginalizing the characters we know and are familiar with. I'm familiar with the lore of Star Wars universe (at least as it was in the original and prequel trilogies), but the sequel trilogies CREATED more questions about the far, far away galaxy than it answered. I could point out a shitload of individual plot holes, but after the first 10 or 15 minutes of the movie, I wasn't even paying attention anymore. I was just waiting for Luke, Han or Leia to show up and explain things, but they never did. So I just checked out.
Now I'll watch this video and see if your opinions match mine...
EDIT: OK, I've watched the video now... Funny how you say "the thing that hasn't occurred to anyone" is what I listed as the number-one by-far-and-away biggest problem. And I'm sure I'm not unique.
Other than that weird observation on your part (seriously, we're you being sarcastic?), you're spot-on with everything you say here... except maybe the Luke getting old and disgruntled thing. That's one problem I DON'T have with the sequels. Luke got old. All of us do. And when we get old, we tend to lose our sunny dispositions and get grizzled and cynical. I know I have. And I don't expect Luke Skywalker to be any different from any of the rest of us in that regard. But yes, your explanation for the event that pushed him over that edge is better than the one the movie gave.
I hate all the new characters in the sequels for the exact reasons you stated. Flaws make the character and the story. Kylo Ren came off looking like a hot-tempered Severus Snape. Absolutely stellar analysis.