.410 Shotguns Explained
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- čas přidán 8. 12. 2018
- In Today's episode, Jonny takes on one of life's most elusive topics: how good is .410 Caliber?
What's your opinion? We'd love to know in the comments down below.
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Started with a .410 at 13 still enjoying .410s at 72. More useful and fun than all my other guns. The 28 gauge is a big step up from a .410 pattern wise but learning to shoot well with a .410 made shooting with larger gauges easy, in fact sometimes too easy. Good video by the way.
At 77, we're from a generation that already had 22's to learn accuracy from. Today's generations don't have the same advantages/mindset. Expert shotgun, yes! Impossible, no!
Never thought I’d learn something about firearms from someone whom is not American. Very good information here.
I was thinking the same. Glad to see gun culture in other countries, even if highly restrictive
Thanks, I rewatched that part of the video about 5 times. Anyway, great video!
just bought a 410 Webley the other day that I pick up next week, this video could not of come at a better time, cheers guys (y)
Thanks, very informative. I've been interested in .410s for some time. It's good to know the abilities of a .410, and the limits. This sort of information is quite important to be an ethical hunter. Much appreciated.
Always good to watch, always well presented.
Love them get small game all the time, even got one Turkey and one six point buck with a 410 slug. Also have a nice derringer for personal protection. Love the 410!!!
Robin Foxer has a superb video with his little Baikal .410 shotgun. Uses it to great effect controlling crow numbers in a fairly sensitive area
When I was 12 I was given an old Stevens over/under 22/410. It was actually a pretty junky gun but I did use it in the woods quite a bit. It's interesting that one of the British/American differences is that I've never heard "caliber" used when discussing shotguns in the States. Good video as always, and having looked at some many of the older ones it's also interesting to observe how much better they've become over time. Good work.
To anyone interested in shooting/buying a 410, do it. It's a lot of fun. Just be aware of its shortcomings as John has pointed out. Wow, I know that looking at the numbers it's clear the difference in payload, but cutting the two shells open added more appreciation for how little is being sent down range. Thanks again to John and the rest of the staff at The Gun Shop for the videos.
Great video John, has got me thinking about getting one of these.
Hope you did it. Terrific fun to shoot.
Another great video. It would be nice to see you do one on some of the Hushpower / Baikal Stealth moderated .410s which regardless of their shorter range are excellent walking up guns for rabbits and squirrels and even the odd pheasant.
Absolutely not a beginner's gun, but an absolute blast to shoot clays with. (Pun very much intended.)
Very informative video again John .
A pleasure as always Gerald
A Great video from The Gun Shop , I have always wanted one , have shot a few quite a few years ago . One day I hope to buy one .
Thanks for the video!
When you were talking about the .410s history you mention 1957 and 1974, I think you meant to say 1857 and 1874. Other wise, keep up the good work.
🤦♂️ good shout!
@@tgsoutdoors and not 14 but 12 mm
Hi guys love your programmes
Personally, I love the .410. I’ve shot dove to squirrels and stuff with it. It’s fun and shoots really well.
I like my old T Barker. I think it was a montgomery wards brand, or maybe western auto. single shot, but it hits what I aim at so I dont realy care much where it came from.
Honestly I put together two mossberg 500 E series .410's for close range work (In home protection) and general around the garden pest control duty. Federal offers three flavors of buckshot (A 3-inch 9-pellet load of #4 Buckshot,A 3-inch 5-pellet '000' Buckshot,and 2-1/2 inch-4 pellet '000' buck) that play very well with the 18.5 inch factory cylinder bore barrels. I've noticed that the different gameloads do very well for snake control work.
It would be interesting to see you guys do a video on 10 gauges
Love the videos keep up the good work . Could you please do a review of a hushpower 410 .
Another really interesting video Jonny. Thank you.
Another great video Jonny. I really covert a 410 Lee Enfield conversion but its becoming difficult to find good ones at a sensible price. As an aside, I think 410 equates to 67 or 68 gauge.
Rob Breeze is that measured by hull size or barrel? Remember with a .410 the hull is a rather large percentage of the barrel diameter versus the minor differences with 20, 12 and 10 gauges. I’m missing the 16ga from my youth but it simply has disappeared where I live in Canada.
I shoot 4/10 regularly on driven days.
The best combination I have found is three quarter and full chokes with Clever Mirage 3 inch magnum 5 shot.
I even go Clay shooting with my son and shoot Ball Trap, Down the Line, Sport trap and Sporting.
The preferred load for Clays are Fiocchi 3 inch 8s and 7.5s. Again three quarter and full chokes.
You get some very funny looks and comments.
It is very addictive shooting the 4/10 and the sense of achievement if you had a good score is great.
When you are limited in range, you stop shooting the 410 shells through your Baikal 45/70 sxs and move over to the 405gr cast projectiles. :)
Saying the .410 is a cruel tool to give a child made my day! I absolutely hated shooting my .410 growing up. Looking back on it now at 54 yrs. Old I realize it was a handicap that required skills I did not possess at that young age.
My first gun loved it and still use it perfect for small plots of land for small game
My first reach for home defense is a Cicuit Judge with 5 rounds of 5 pellet triple aught buckshot. If I need more I have a 30 round carbine for follow up and more of course.
My neighbor who is new to shooting, bought a .410 single shot for his young son. He was surprised when l told him it was an experts gun. Love my .410 but its very expensive to shoot a lot of rounds through.
thomas thomas yup a single without an ejector is the only way to keep its’ costs down. Super cheap to reload though and wax slugs give you some fine options once you start to wear out your hulls.
Better off with a 12ga and a kick pad
The Henry .410 lever is especially enjoyable
Totally agree with your review. My experience is that most people push the limits of a 410 on live birds, and I thus do not like to hunt with anyone who uses a 410 unless he or she is well known to me to be ethical. P. Pappous, so. Cal., USA
You cant beat a .410 hushpower for stealth and versatility. I was out decoying crows this morning then into the woods shooting squirrels this afternoon all nice and quietly .
I got a Mossberg 500 hushpower in .410, SCHLUCK is all you hear. Shot it well out to 30m on all kinds of clay presentations. Lovely little thing, shame the carts are stupidly expensive
Do some research on invasive grey squirrels in the UK and u will get your answer .
When the future king of England actively endorses there destruction you should ask yourself why don't you ??
Im using a .410 hushpower for squirrels there great little guns
Thanks John I have used .410 for clay shooting for more than 10 years and 40 yards is about as far as you can rely on pattern density to break clays consistently using 19gm 7 shot fibres. I have hit clays at 60 yards with 9gm 6 shot (only 70 pellets) but only due to luck. .410 is not suitable for a beginner/child who will be far better of with a lightweight 20 bore. The range of .410 guns on the market are not for sporting clays. I developed my own from a Lincoln and am currently using .410 barrels in my Blaser F3.
Here in the states we have a lot of different buckshot loads as well. In the last couple of years the Taurus Judge and S&W Governor has lead to some very imaginative loads specifically for handguns.
A 410 is a great gun to start some one on. They have to learn, shot placement and distance. When they learn to shoot a 410 and do it well, they will be a good shot with other shot guns. If they start with a 12 ga, they will not learn as much. When I started shooting I like many other, I used a .22 LR and you shot for the head so you did not waist any meat or have to pick pellets out of your meat. With a little practice you can shoot a chicken or duck in the head with a .22 LR, so using a 410 would not be a problem for some one starting out., but I only use a 410 for things on the run if standing still I go with a .22 a good rifle to start out with is a combo . 22 LR over a .410 Ga. Making it to easy, is not always the best way to go. If you have to work at something it is much rewarding, in the end..
In the USA, the .410 has enjoyed a revival as a defensive round, especially OOO buckshot out of one of the revolvers on the market.
Thanks!
I love my 410. It's a Harrington and Richardson break action shotgun with a bead sight.
Same here...in fact my dad raised all 3 of his boys on that gun same 410 gun and then we moved up to the Harrington & Richardson 20ga. Would still have those guns today but I had to upgrade to the Mossberg 500 pump action 12ga, 20ga, and I just bought The Mossberg 500 pump action 410 today
Got my first 410 at 8years old. Took tons of small game w it til i switched to 20g at 11yo. Great gun for kids imo.
Great video John ,there is one small interesting point you overlooked ,that is the massive chamber pressures created by that little cartridge nearly double that of a 12 gauge and one has to be especially careful when reloading this calibre. Just a thought .
Regards.
Wrong about the chamber pressure. SAAMI max for .410 is 14,000. 12 gauge is 11,500. proof pressure is 18,000 for the .410, and the 12 is 19,800. Know your facts before you opine.
@@billhinkle1653 Absolutely bill 💥
You forgot to mention it doesn't ruin the meat as much as the bigger bore shotguns.
I live in country Australia,.410 is great for close range snake gun near houses,not as noisy as larger gauges.great.
I have a Hatfield 410 single shot I like mine it's fun to shoot
I bought a .410 yildiz a week ago I've been killing crows out to 35 yards and had a going away pigeon dead on 40 to where it fell as you say a no6 pellet going at 1400fps out of any caliber will kill equally as well as any other I would recommend the gamebore .410 there awesome cartridge and probably the best on price
oh nice this was my fist shotgun i now use a 8 Gage big difference but its nice to know more
I like the 410 because when I shoot a pheasant it doesn't ruin the meat.
The biggest advantage of .410 is that you can own some really cool converted rifles on an easily-obtainable shotgun certificate. I have a WW1 era SMLE in .410. I've seen Gewher 98s and Moisin Nagants in 410 too. Always an eye catcher at the clay ground. You won't hit much though, maybe 10%!
Hi, where can I get that make of clothing that you were wearing( towards the end of the video) in the UK?
Bought a Baikal .410 for my kids & even with a modified stock looks like they need another year to grow into it. Rather than let it sit gathering dust I’m going to use it myself shooting vermin.
Best video I’ve seen, on the “is the .410 capable?” argument. Just discovered the channel and really enjoying the content, so much so that Jonny has nearly convinced me to buy a pair of Le Chameaus over Aigles! Can you review the rizzini roundbody?
Well done Jonny and team best shooting channel and content on any social platform by a huge margin!
Teddy Rogerson comments like this make it all worth while - especially when you said you might be joining the Le chameau Brigade!
I own a 1910 Lee Speed 410 shotgun I use for target slug shooting, I use fire formed 303 brass rifle cases and reload.
Don't forget slugs.Increases it's versatility considerably. I found it a great caracal killer.
At my local pawn i went to last week they had a steveson 410 crack barrel in great condition for 99.95 would that have been a good deal on my end?
Forgot to ask, what is the new retail on the Norica?
Great video as always!! I want to ask u about a gun I am going to buy for hunting. I am looking for maybe one second hand Beretta or benelli semi auto but if I don't find one Im thinking of a benelli montefeltro synthetic. Is it worth the 900 euros and does it have the quality of the other benelli or you'd advise me one other semiautomatic in this budget? (Brenda or Beretta a300 out lender). Thank you for your time!!!
Μανώλης Μπάκης I’ve got a wonderful wood stocked Montefeltro I got for a steal here in Canada. I was going to cut the loading port and make it a competition gun but it’s so nice I’m simply getting a new loading tray because I’m jamming my thumb in the fork when pulling my hand away when loading. This isn’t a problem if you depress it with you off hand but I’m too used to double and quad loading. They sell for about $1,700 Canadian dollars and I paid about $1,300 and feel I got every bit of the full value. (I did add a TT extended bolt handle and safety as well as drilled and tapped the bolt release for an extended control, a $.50 coin in this case.)
I wouldn't mind a .410 with something like a 2x magnification scope (for my bad eyes) to use on the rats and other small mammals
2:50 this doesnt apply when using buckshot, in fact all the pellets stay together and its pretty powerful.
I got all kinds off different shells for mine. 4, 6, 7½ and slugs and buckshot. I'm surprised how much damage the slugs do.
I have a .410 that is chambered to also take the .45 Colt cartridge. Makes it that much more versitile and fun. Not all .410 shotguns are chambered to accept the .45 Colt, but all that aren't can accept a .44 Remington Magnum cartridge which, depending on the load can come out the end of the barrel at over 1700 fps, with a bullet weight of 200 to 250 grain. That's nearly double the muzzle energy of the venerable .S&W .44 Mag revolver of Dirty Harry fame. Then there is the armor defeating .444 Marlin round. I call it the .44 magnum-magnum.. You should be able to see by now, why in America, we love the .410 shotgun.
How does a 3/4oz .410 vs 3/4oz 28 bore compare?
Have you heard of the gun manufacturer Hatfield? They produce a really affordable .410 O/U
Cesar Castillo kinda junky but cheap as chips and worth it in my area if you are on a budget.
I'm confident enough in my abilities to leave the 12 in the bag and bust out the 410 when shooting ducks over decoys. Just gotta find the right balance between your abilities and the guns abilities. And you've got to have some shot discipline, crosses are problematic due to the 410s long shot string and sparse pellet density, but anything pitching straight in or pulling away is in strife.
As for shooting Skeet, the 410 sure does sort out the men from the boys.
Kids? Get a 28 gauge, much more forgiving when learning shotgun technique.
I think the .410 is good gun for rabbits. I have a .22lr/.410 over under and it is my first choice for rabbits and squirrels. I just wish it was easier to find non toxic loads for it..
travis cochran , I assume you are living in communist California. Move the hell out of there!
@@christinamoneyhan5688 Not at all. I am in Iowa. Many areas I hunt have non toxic only regulations for shooting over them.
At a gun show a while back I saw a Taurus Circuit Judge, which is basically a revolving cylinder carbine that can fire either 410 or 45 Long Colt. It had to be one of the stranger looking firearms I've seen, too weird to be ugly.
R32R38 , have you ever tried to get passed the rifle sights ? You can not even use them to get the shot on a target at30 yds. I have. Terrible for shot had not tried it with the 45 colt carterage.
@@christinamoneyhan5688 I'm not surprised. It's hard to figure out what purpose the Circuit Judge serves, other than being odd.
@@R32R38 In My nation , Brazil , there is a law saying that National gun manufacturers should be protected ( at ALL Costs)
And we were having some .410 semi autos , and they weren't made in Brazil , according to the law , if some weapon has the same caliber , but is made in Brazil , the imported becomes "unecessary" and it's importation is banned , and by that , Taurus made the Circuit Judge to get Monopoly on .410 semi autos here in Brazil , selling it to US because money
OK so when do we see you shoot the “cheap to charming “ can you do a video on treating the Caesar G wood with boiled linseed oil, I am not sure how to do this?
Half choke is modified?
The .410 provides for no margin of error and eliminates luck. You are either on or not. They are a great clay target cartridge.
Absolutely. And even if you shoot a tie score with someone, you can still claim to be the better shot because you did it with fewer pellets.
What is a "half choke" is it just modified or improved cylinder.
I started out with 410 anUsing it made me a better hunter later on when I actually got a 12 gauge but then again I started at five years old and you know 12 gauge probably would not of been appropriate
it is an advanced shooters gun,,,,,,i used to load with #9 shot for quail & killed as many or more than the other guys in the group shooting 12 gauges.
If you want a challenging gun for clays i use my mossberg 590 shockwave in 20ga i dont know if it is legal on your side of the pond but here it has the appeal of being a 1/2inch from a felony lol
Bonjour, je constate que la 410 est très bruyante quand même, et que le port du casque électronique est utile 🤔
Bonne vidéo 👍
I do slugs in my .410 and also reload.
Yea, my 9yr old can barely lift the 410.
If I try to get him on a 28g or even a 20g it’s too heavy for him.
That makes it a great beginner gun for young kids.
When I was 10 years old and first started shooting clays my dad gave me a .410 to use. Three years later I started using a 12 gauge. By the end of that summer I went back to using a .410 because using a 12 gauge was too boring. By the time I stopped shooting clays I was hitting 17~18 out of 25 with a .410.
Shotgun without the shoulder pain. Great for small animals and predators.
What is a safe backdrop on a 410? if the killing range is 30 m would you be able to shoot across a field with a road or footpath 100m away?
I wouldn't risk it mate
Same as a 12ga. Pellets are coming out at the same velocity, there's just less of them.
VERY nice bolt action shotgun.
I wish I could purchase one, they are nowhere to be found!
woodsman forlife
They are everywhere mate online
I think I need a .410 in my life for some fun shooting.
Glyn Jones if you are good at clays and shooting with a novice this is a very fine choice to level the playing field.
John, had a friend that used a bolt action for rabbit hunting with 11/16 oz.of # 4 lead shot. Killed the rabbit and did not tear up meat.
Great fun!
Here in the states we can get a 22lr it’s 12 shot in it
They can get it. But it isn't a birdshot more of a rat or snake shot
U can get 410 slugs for deer there more accurate 12 gauge but scatter shot got 16 or 12
Did you say walking stick shotgun!? You can't just casually glance over suck topics it's simply not done.
A 1/4 or 3/8oz. slug out of a .410 gives you .357 Magnum ballistics making a viable round on smallish creatures like coyotes and wolves. At reasonable distances, of course( +/- 50 yards/m).
Good video. I hunted with a 410 all my life. Great rabbit, squirrel and quail gun. Awful pheasant gun. Knocks them down...and they run. 410 slug great deer slayer too if allowed in your state.
Would it kill a raccoon?
My farm has a raccoon problem and they ate all my chickens and I need to get rid of the raccoon
I've tried noise machines and traps and even poison and it's done nothing so far
@@frnky8748 Yea, the slug easily...the shot shell would do the job at a close enough range, but use the three inch version with #4 or heavier shot if your shotgun is so chambered.
@@yas2733 ok thank you
why don't they make (way) longer cartridges so they can hold more pellets? those might not work in semi-auto or pump-action shotguns, but in break-action shotguns, I don't see the problem
5” ultra magnum 12 bore
Yes the 410 caliber
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Damn I must be a pretty good shot or i have a big fish tale. When i was 12 years old. I was out shooting blue rock with my uncle's and I was using my mom's breach loading .410 .22 double barrel. And I hit 18 out of 20 targets.
I like 410s for pheasants because you walk a lot and want a smaller gun
The real reason people say they don't like .410's is because they know they can't shoot. lol
Are they good for rattlesnakes ?
In the USA. There are loads of # 4 shot. and 410 is not what I would say is a beginners gun. It is way too little of shot for the distance for a youth to be sufficient with. Light 20 gauge is the best starter shot gun or very light 12 gauge 1 oz.
How many shotguns do you own?
Shame you can't get hold of 410 cartridges loaded with No9 shot (at least, I've never found them). Once you've accepted that the 410's range is limited to, say, 30m, you'll appreciate that 20g of No9 shot will give you a better, more consistent, pattern at that range and still have enough energy to do the business.
Very interesting theory that. Shot suitable for range would stop people being over optimistic with a 410
This would have been nice instead of being mocked for being scared of the 10g when I was a kid...
My son is 13 he loves his 410 he finish of clay no worries 11 grams
What is half choke? I assume that it just another name for a modified choke. Sorry, I am American. XD
😂 yes - Modified is a 1/2 choke
What about slugs?