Some added up X670E plus DDR5 RAM at current prices and concluded the CPU was poor value in the headline, despite the config being unrealistic for gaming.
poor choice to jump platform, cost of motherboard at the moment will be higher or about the same as the cpu. thats not even taking to account ddr5 ram.
Just by looking at the 5600X, I think it's kinda safe to say we have saturated the most out of CPU performance in gaming with what we currently have. It's gonna take about 4yrs or so for most people using the 5600X to even consider an upgrade.
@@robinkonig5828 depends on resolution and gpu and the quality you play on. too much variables to say what will bottleneck in the future. but everything like ryzen 5000 and 11th gen intel will hold up pretty well for the future.
I have a 5600x oc @ 4.6ghz and in terms of gaming I'm very very satisfied with what it can do vs where it stands with competition from both within amd itself and also on the Intel side. Not only that but for all my multi-threaded tasks, this chip really destroys anything I throw at it already, music production mostly with ableton & djing with Rekordbox and Serato. There's really no point for me to upgrade the chip as the upgrade itself won't really benefit me in the tasks I'm already doing. In addition to having 32gb 3600mhz ram, my platform is rock solid for the next 3 years EASY.
what i got from this is that the 5800X3D is awesome and i can just upgrade to that from my 5600x when i feel i need to. but i probably won't because the 5600x is pretty good already.
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 I disagree. I have a Rx6900xt paired with the 5600x. I mostly play ACC and MSFS 2020. I run ACC at Ultra in 1440p at 144hz with no issues. MSFS in Ultra easily runs over 100FPS which is a waste anyway. If I need a boost I will upgrade to the 5800x3d chip. I seriously doubt I will need an platform upgrade until AM6.
@@mikehiesener4139 I am not saying a RX 6950 doesn't help, I am saying can the Ryzen 7000 make my RX6700 run faster and by how much at 1080p over my 5600x if it's not the top end card.
@@sudeshryan8707 u are paying more for less cores?. See how u can make anything into a pro. None of these companies know u exist so when u recommend 7600x to someone over the 12600k/kf or 5600x u are telling them spend even more for the motherboard and ram for not much performance (hotter and power hungry). It s funny how INTEL is becoming the budget option and AMD the more power less cores but no fan in the box =( option
I recently upgraded from an i5 7600k to the 5600x paired with an RTX 3060ti and it's been a dream. Completely eliminated any framerate stutter and improved performance by like 20-30%. I got it for an amazing $260 deal at Canada Computers. I'm glad to see the newest stuff is as good as they made it out to be, but I think right now we've reached the point of diminishing returns of what the CPU can do in most games. I'm not upset that I didn't bother waiting. (That FPS leap in CSGO is insane but let's be honest, you'll never notice it)
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 I just got a CM 212 Black and it seems to be doing just fine but thanks for the recommendation! I ran the stock cooler for a week or so and it seemed to be doing ok but was loud as hell
wouldnt a 5800x3d be a much better purchase from a value perspective? especially for someone with an existing am4 motherboard. just need to buy the cpu itself. buying a 7600x means buying ddr5 memory and new motherboard...
Yea that would be the case especially considering how cheap parts can be had. The 3d needs a beefy cooler, even for gaming. Mine on a full loop running siege at 3440x1440 I'm in the mid 60s easily. And that's with only a Vega 64 as gpu.
depends. in the short term yes. but on the long run you will need to change platform anyway. If you reaaallly need a change of just your CPU right now, the 5800x3d seems to be the sound choice. I think the best choice for the money would be to wait for the next gen CPUs , so that the motherboards and RAM would have gone down in price and then do the jump ( this is more future proof as well ) .
All depends. Buying everything new AM4 is a dead end. But AM5 all new should be able to upgrade the 7600x to something better in the future. Say 8800x3d or 9800x3d whatever. But right now mobo and ram makes 7600x... But 5800x3d is not much better if starting with nothing. But really the best move was to get into Ryzen 2000x. Upgrade to a Ryzen 5600 or something in like in the past couple months and skip AM5. Ryzen 1000 motherboards going to Ryzen 5000 being almost a bad move. Since Ryzen 1000 motherboards are all bad and really poor judgment to upgrade. But a other good option was to buy Intel 12th gen if it was cheap VS a new AM4 build a few months ago. Heck maybe Intel 12th makes sense even now. Really you will lose whatever you try and do. We have still no news from Intel to compare AM5 with. And without owning any AM4 parts. AM5 still makes little sense even if it is a better Intel house heater. XD If we got some good mobo's and 7600x that simply works as it should at good price? I mean even with DDR5 being still expensive your looking at something much better then AM4 and Intel right now. Good DDR4 vs Decent DDR5 cost the same right now I say. So even that is not really much to complain about RIGHT now. Hard to pick 5800x3d or 7600x. Me? I got a brand new AM4 mobo and expensive DDR4 sticks. Makes no sense buying it right now but I really think 5900x (basically 2 5600x's) is going to be more then enough. Should outlast AM5 and not get to slow or die on me as a Ryzen 1000 mobo with a 5600 system might do just before AM6. But look what Intel do, no fanboy this crap. AMD might have to become better to stray off Intel and Nvidia. I just scored decent AM4 parts without having invested anything into AMD before this point. And can not bring myself to pay mobo and DDR5 prices when we know they are going to become so much better in a short amount of time. I really think we are going into the next true gen with AM5 and Intel 13th and GPU's are also going to next gen. And it all looks to be problematic. Nope out if you can. Do not early adopt.
@@bellybutthole69 nah just wait ✋ buy a perbuilt with the new stuff from Best Buy or Amazon use their Credit card save you a whole headache oh 😅 make sure you put the insurance on it for a whole year 🤔
Great review guys, but AMD did pretty bold statement about 7600X during the announcement claiming it to have better gaming performance than 12900K, so I'd really like to see how much of that statement is actually true.
At this point gaming should not even be considered in benchmarks. Like who is going to buy these cpus and play in 1080p which is the only resolution you could see a difference. If you want to play games and you are buying a platform that costs 700$ it means that you have another 400$ to throw for a gpu like 3060ti and you can play games in 1440p or even 4k.
Not "Rocket lake", the next 13th gen from Intel is called "Raptor Lake". Rocket Lake was the disastrous 11th gen. Just putting in here for correctness.
I’m glad you said “in most cases” you’re better off with a better GPU than a CPU for gaming as Dimitri plays EFT and he knows EFT needs a good CPU too.
Funny you should say that....because we don't know final AM5 motherboard pricing yet. Unless you take some BS rumors and extrapolate those into a review.
I'm disappointed HWC didn't test the performance of the 7000 series against the 5000 series with them at 65W TDP. I would be interested to see if the performance uplift was due to higher IPC as AMD claims, or just from higher raw clock speed and more cache.
@@paulotakahama because zen 4 uses 256x 2 instruction set as compared to 512x 1. Which decreases it's performance in cb23. Watch jayztwocentz vid for more info.
@@creaturedanaaaaa Exactly, B660m Riptide. The CPU + Mobo was below 310 usd for me, best bang for the buck! Also using 3733mhz cl14 with tuned timmings (B-Die). Built this setup just for fun!
Raptor lake will probably give more performance for the money though, launching next month. But Intel will not support the CPU socket for future generations which is not good. If you are not upgrading your CPU often Intel will very likely be a very good alternative.
I was scared of seeing 7600X domination over 12600K after I purchased the latter one. After seeing the tests, clearly both are quite similar and both are good choices. Buy the cheaper one I would say
yeah, unless one wants the new AMD platform it makes little sense to buy a 7600X or even 7700X, the current intel platform can offer similar performance at a much lower cost (considering CPU+MB+RAM)
The 12600k is $100 cheaper than the 7600x And a good z690 mobo is $150 cheaper than the cheapest x670. I would say it would be stupid to buy the 7600x if you want value for money
Every mom's-basement-dwelling neckbeard: You need an 8-core processor for gaming, because that's what consoles use now, 6 cores is low-end. Me: Ok grandpa, let's get you to bed
Aside console ports, AMD's push for higher core counts is finally materializing in the gaming industry. Major engines like UE5 make it easier to optimize for high core counts. In a not so distant future, games will run better on 8-cores. I think this is the last generation where you would prefer a 6-core due to thermal throttling.
@@BeCaffe It's arguable that AMD forced the issue pretty effectively already on the original PS4 and Xbone - the 8 cores in those things were Jaguar-based, meaning they were originally designed for use in tablets and mobile phones! To get games like RDR2 running on cores that anaemic individually is an extremely impressive feat of parallelization. The issue is that PCs aren't a standardized platform with predictable hardware and resolution/frame rate targets, rendering many of the optimization techniques used on consoles invalid - we won't be seeing PC builds competing with the Series-S on power efficiency with comparable quality any time soon!
12600 seems best bang for buck rn. 7600x is nice, but you need a whole hw upgrade with new motherboard, ddr5 ram, good cpu cooler since those thermals are spicy, etc. we'll have to wait and see how raptor lake goes
You need a whole new motherboard with the 12600K as well. As for the thermals, this video didn't properly explain them. The chips intentionally run at higher temperatures to maximize clock speeds. If you get a better cooler, it's still going to run at a high temperature under full load, but you'll get a small performance boost. If you get a weaker cooler, you'll be at the same temperatures, but have an even smaller performance deficit. PC World did some testing of the 7950X with a 105W TDP, and it only lost 10% off its Cinebench R23 multi-threaded score. It lost nothing on single-threaded speed. That put it still 34% ahead of the 5950X (instead of 48% ahead at 170W TDP).
probly just have to wait for the non x variant. i remember a GN video where it was a 65w non x vs the 95w x and even the title was like '50$ for a letter' or whatever
It’s not a budget cpu. My 12600k was £248 a year ago and worked with ddr4 and everything else I already had. This is £330 needs ddr5. It is NOT a budget cpu!
2 week since i jump from Ryzen 7 3700X to Ryzen 5 7600X with same old Rtx 2060s. I'm using 6000mhz ddr5 32gb kit. And with same old gpu RTX 2060s i got 19fps more on average mw2 gameplay and benchmarks. Only ram and cpu upgrade gives more fps with same graphics card is first time i see. I will get soon RTX 4080.
Not really worth the price and platform cost if the main usage is gaming. Even with 3090ti (a card with msrp over a grand) the gains arent that big in 1440p. Most people have cards in range of 3080 or way below. Better to get the 5800x3d if you're already on am4 and just want a cpu upgrade. And another thing is you need a pretty decent specced ddr5 memory to even see the performance gains.
The question really is...is there a need to upgrade from AM4 to any AM5? Seems to me the right move is to upgrade to 5800x3d on AM4 and skip AM5 in you are gaming on 1440 or less.
@@casualtake1497 because a 5800x3d easily takes you 3 years for gaming. It all depends on AMDs plans. If they go 6 years and you buy in midway that makes sense.
It's not a question of need. It's a question of what kind of performance you want, what hardware you currently have, and how much you want to spend. It will cost marginally less to build a system from scratch with a 5800X3D, but you'll be starting at the end of the road. With a 7600X, you gain entry to a platform that will be around until at least 2026. And which will have 3D cache parts in a few months. If you already have an AM4 system and a good graphics card, and want to remove as much of your CPU bottleneck as you can, then an upgrade to the 5800X3D is a perfectly fine option.
I recently bought 5600x and I was worried if 7600x would be too much of an improvement, but honestly even tho it is much better, I am satisfied with how 5600x performed against it
Your 'gaming vs real world performance' should be 'gaming vs productivity performance' ... especially when your very next slide, Cinebench, is an artificial benchmark. Games are real world applications. Consumers buy CPUs to run their games.... whereas Cinebench is an artificial benchmark (i.e it's not photoshop, blender, 7zip, or a compiler) designed to approximate those productivity workloads. Consumers do not buy a CPU in order to run Cinebench.
That RAM is 350+ bucks, it's the only way Zen 4 can improve over 5800X3D as other reviewers using 5200 DDR5 RAM showed worse results compared to the 5800X3D.
I really don't understand the excitement for these new processors (mind you my main rig went from a 1600af to a 3900x, and my backup rig is currently a 3600, so not an Intel fanboy). They are a good incremental improvement, but way to close to parity with alder lake when Intel is not far from announcing 13th gen, which will have to be another tenth gen side grade not to be firmly ahead. If these were AM4 or had perhaps added 16 pcie lanes instead of just 4 or had a high enough pcie lane to made it a challenge for Intel to beat them with 13th gen or both, then the excitement might make sense.
i agree. 12600kf is 320 bucks and 7600x 390$ . why are people excited about this overpriced piece of crap. ill wait patiently for intel 13th gen. my 11400f will do for now.
@@jeremyniels Some of the Ideas they have implemented do have potential, they just need to take better advantage of them. I suspect a lot of what we see here is laying groundwork for the zen5. Just like 12th gen's version of big.little has potential, but likely not fully realized.
I would say go with the 12600K for better value with DDR4 MB. But I love the thought of a Gen 5.0 M.2 so I am leaning toward the 7600x and a AM5 board. But you have that 990 Pro hitting soon so I don't know. Think I will wait a month or two.
Nice way to show the information and the range it is competing, is true that for gaming above 1440p CPU is almost not an issue in AAA games, the fastest FPS is only intended for competitive gaming, so even if is better than before, its value is almost the same as an I9 12900KS with DDR5 6400 RAM for gaming, I think I will also avoid this generation and make the leap with the next one, my 5800x is still very capable
It's hard to justify upgrading CPU if you already have a 56xx or 12xxx. It looks like the real leaps forward will have to come from GPUs. I was hoping for more power efficiency than this delivers.
I dont see the domination. Its too close to the 12600k and that is a 1 year old cpu soon built on 10nanometer. I would go 5800x3d instead just to save money.
2:25 "a totally revamped execution engine for increased core efficiency". TDP jumped from 65W to 105W. Could someone PLEASE explain the word "efficiency" to me? xD
This definitely helps cement my decision to get a 7600x to replace my fx8350, if AMD sticks to their promise to support AM5 for several generations I'll get a high end chip and Motherboard at the end of AM5 lifecycle. Very excited to play with pcie 5.0 storage and gpu's as they come out.
I'd hold off another couple of months if you can. It looks like Intel is going to blow the 7600x out if the water with the 13600k on both price & performance. I'd first see Intel's release & then how AMD responds.
@@moorhs69 I can understand the sentiment. I keep 2 active computers at the moment and have so far had one as an AMD/Radeon build. and the other, my wife's PC. as an intel/NVidia build. With the new arc gpus I'm planning to rebuild my old system as a full intel/intel home server to play with. So in my case it's hobbyist use, the hardware itself is part of the fun. Appreciate the suggestion though.
Yeah a new 7600x being matched at 1440p by my 12700k for gaming. And smoked on everything in workloads now waiting for intel to smoke it with raptor lake even more.
Yes it's an impressive step from AMD but I don't understand the "Domination" part of the video title. Intel i5-12600k is a close competitor according to your benchmarks. In computing it beats the 7600X in many cases and it's more than a decent gaming cpu as well.
both CPUs are more gaming oriented and the 7600X wipes the floor with the 12600K, that's what I think his point is. Also, beating the 12600K in a lot of multithreaded workloads with 4 less physical cores is impressive too.
It’s kinda ridiculous that y’all ever talked about stuff like 7600 outside of the cost of a similarly budgeted whole system to begin with. No offense, but I think having access to this tech constantly has warped most reviewers perception of how this stuff is consumed. I don’t know a single person who operates on mid chipset / socket refreshes. I built my first PC just over a decade ago and I’ve had two systems in that time. The only refresh I’ve done was bumping from a 660Ti to a 970. I’m still on a 1070Ti with an 8700k. I know people on 6000 and 7000 series Intel and I gotta watch people farting around, hemming and hawing over clickbait nonsense comparisons for boutique buyers without just telling me if any of the stuff is worth the price being asked for it. I don’t care if it’s a better deal than the last thing that they aren’t going to be making more of, I care if this is a good deal.
Runs hotter then the 3d, crazy. Not sure I need to upgrade then. Goes to show what a beast 3d cache is. There's zero need for an upgrade for me. Great review guys.
According to AMD, these temperatures are perfectly normal. AMD has adjusted the 7000 series to reach TJmax (95c) first unless the power limit is reached. Too bad HC didn't mention this.
@@HardwareCanucks What grabbed my attention was hitman 3 results between you and hardware unboxed one result is in the 300s fps and the other is in the 100s
ddr4 + 13600k/13700k if lower pricing, no platform update, and lets see am5 motherboard prices drop, ddr5 amd expo ram prices drop and zen4 3d cpus released.
I think AMD is saving that until Intel releases raptor lake & I'll bet they've already produced test samples. They'll do a 7800x which will be a 7700x with 3D vcache and maybe even a 5600X3D to keep up with Intel's 13600k. There are already leaked benchmarks of the 13600k obliterating the 7600X
Is it just me or is the 7600x the most useless cpu on the market? Motherboards and ram cost so much more that you can basically get a 5800x3d for roughly the same price… if you have the old motherboards or ram still working fine you get it cheaper… So you get much better gaming performance for the same or better price on the 5800x3d... And if you need pcie 5.0 or more raw performance then the 5900x, 5950x, 7700x, 7950x are all much better… Is it just me or am I right?
What annoys the shit out of me is how a 6 core 12 thread cpu can't outboost or out clock a 16 core -32 thread cpu by a mile in the same generation. Thing should boost 5.9ghz 2 cores 5.5 4 cores all day since the 7950's seem to boost 5.7ghz consistently in the reviews I watched.
It's called binning. The Zen 4 CPU die has eight cores. The only dies that end up in a 6-core product have defects that prevent one or two of those cores from working properly. Most dies with those kinds of defects are also going to have a steeper voltage/frequency curve, meaning you can't clock as high within safe voltage limits and within the TDP limit. It's not an artificial limitation.
Seems there's an error on the 2 cinebench graphs at 4:10 and 4:23. The x axis shouldn't say lower is better right? It's also not Time to Completion in min.
I have an i5-12600K I got brand new for $147. Best decision ever. That lil mf rips. I OC'd it to 5.4GHz and it got a massive boost in performance. The 7600X is great, but the i5-12600K is still amazing.
@@rudramusiczoneee Despite my great experience with the i5-12600K, I would recommend getting the 7600X or some other AM5 CPU that fits your budget. Ryzen 9000 CPUs are coming out soon and the AM5 socket will likely be around for a few more years. LGA1700 is officially dead with the release of Intel 14th gen.
12600k is fkn cheap .. s tier cpu right now . My pc is 1.5yrs lga1700..so no point of upgrading but 12600k is the best option to take my pc in peak level
5600x paired with the 3060ti with a good dual/tri fan GPU solution in the right push pull configuration case without having a radiator saturate the case or being all air has been the most efficient gaming setup in relation to performance for power. It sips power and still runs most titles at 90-120fps even in 1440, for the next few years there won't be anything that will beat that combo's price point and how much it takes to run that level of performance . I got my brothers PC running Elden ring at 110fps at 188watts from the wall and it's only 41db just like 2-3db higher then the background noise with a corsair all air setup. You simply can't beat it atm. I would say someone who doesn't know how to micromanage power draw would be in the 200-300watt range and that is simply amazing.
Your sponsor spot cracked me up! That dang talking case... that case period... I was asked to help an old co-worker build a nice fat gaming machine for her to use for work, too. She went with that big-ass headache! I did, and still do, think that the little panel release s being built in like that are neat, and satisfying on a different level to actuate, but I did not enjoy building inside that beast at all. Mind you, I have my main rig sitting neatly in a DanA4 case... that I'm looking to downsize with a low-pro 4060 card soon into a case half the volume. So, I don't mind a challenge, but getting all the lights and fans to work properly was a pain in the ass.
5600x cost about 180euro...5600 150euro.. add a 300+euro 3060 or 6600xt for a same amount of 7600x price..cpu,mb,ddr5 only ..and NO LCS NEEDED !!...also can have a last upgrade path with 5800x3d when price down, or 5900x...
I'm also thinking of buying a 5600x to replace my i5 6600k I have a 6700xt I'm thinking of buying a 12400f but the motherboards are too expensive an x570 costs 100$ from me than a z690
5600x doesn't support ddr4 and the socket is dead end. With 12th gen you'll get atleast one more upgrade path + ddr5 compatibility, with am5, you'll get atleast 2-3 years of upgrade path.
@@eriktenhag2022 You mean ddr5..for 350-400 euro cpu AM4 upgrade is not a dead end..Ex.gaming perf 5800x3d vs 12900k, 400 euro vs 1000.....the point is the price for value because you have to pay more than double for less then +25% performance , AM5 doesn't offer nothing in any level, even 12th gen, which were a revolution ,except that the Intel had a smart move to have a ddr4 mb variant ..Btw, ddr4 vs 5 no real impact to justify price diff..like i sad before ..Don't forget the LCS cost, hazard failure and life, 2-3 years vs ex.Noctua lifetime..
40$ is a few bugs? Ok.... and then new socket -> new motherboard and unexpected problems and expensive mbs at the start , new ddr5 , i mean if you have 12600k no thanks! even if you have 5600x not worth it atm
I just want to thank AMD for pushing the CPU industry leaps and bounds over the last 5 years. I upgraded from a i5-3330 to a i3-6100 and eventually a 7700k. That improved my performance a good deal, but in the same time between the i5 and i7, the 12th gen came out and now 7000 series. A i3-12100 for a little over $100 beats my 7700k and 6-cores and up are mainstream. Cache sizes exploded, and memory speed has become a significant performance factor to feed these new CPUs fast enough. I can't wait to see 13th gen with insane cores counts on the cheap and 3D cache Ryzen absolutely clowning on Intel in gaming.
You: "All these CPUs give the same framerates at this setting... " fair enough, but... Also you: "Wow, look at this! This CPU is keeps up with this CPU at these settings!!!" Pick one bruh.
There is one thing i´m missing in all the charts. Freakin IDLE power consumption. The thing is, my main rig does not play games all the time - i browse internet, watch movies, play music and do some office stuff. Only occasionally i want to game and i only spend few hours per week with it. I don´t play benchmarks either. Electricity in my area just went up and looking for.that.one.sort.of.charts is leaving me feel highly frustrated, as they seem to not exist. Everybody talks about "efficiency", but there is no use for it and it´s more like AMD marketing language (the one they used when 7000 series went out to cover up, how 7000 series consumes more energy than its predecessor). Using a wattmeter, i found out, that my 5600X on a X570 board consumes about 80W in idle. Reducing it to 50W would save me 15€ per year (assuming the cost won´t jump up next year again). Not much, but these things do add up and the CPU does not sit in idle all the time either, but keeps jumping to 100W+ all the time. The saddest thing? Old intel CPUs consume next to nothing when idling. My server rig with i5 7500 and 2 active HDDs is idling at 32W... For comparison, i was previously using Celeron G3930 there and the same system was idling at 30W - that´s how i imagine "efficiency"!
In my country 5600x is 160 Euro, 12600kf is 177 Euro and 7600X is 220-230Euro making 12th gen nobrainer due to the fact you can keep DDR4 and the upgradability to 13700k is very viable.
This is the best review so far. Incuded game temps? Check! Explained 1440P across last gen CPU's with 3090ti? Check! This was brilliant. Moral? not losing squat at 1440P if you are on a last gen CPU all the way up to 3090ti. $$$ better spent on GPU upgrade. Period. Although... that 5800X3D... soooo juicy.
in short,, more performance for more powerdraw, more heat, more price and more expensive component-package purchase so 1 : 4 imma wait Intel counter-points
I’m deciding between the I5 12600 and Ryzen 5 7600 CPU for my first PC build. Looking at a RX6700 GPU. Intel is currently 30% cheaper but It seems like both will run 2k games at good FPS. Is it fair to assume the Ryzen 5 7600 is more future proof due to the new technology and newer motherboard required. I’m starting from scratch so I’ll need to buy a new motherboard anyway. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
what? the 7600x is dead on arrival, what domination? the 12600f costs way less , has lower entry point and beats it in productivity and just trails in gaming
I don't need to wait to see Raptor Lake, I'm done buying dead end platforms from Intel. Even if Raptor Lake is a little better, so what? I'd rather stick to a superior platform that will last a lot longer.
Raptor Lake is DOA becuase you can''t upgrade the chip after this as it's the last 1700 CPU socket. The AM5 is good to last at least until 2025+. This means you can buy the 7600X now and uprade 2-4 years later with AM5+ or AM6. That's the biggest draw with AMD, much like it was with AM4.
For real world, why spend the extra for the couple minimal gains? Sorry, I'll stick with the Intel and DDR4. Everyone talking about future proofing, when you really don't need to spend the money on a system that has no support yet. Don't get me wrong, I love the latest and greatest too, and to each their own of course, I just don't see the point.
Older video and cpu at this point but I just snagged one recently for 220$ and I’m stoked. I know the next gen family’s right around the corner but I’m coming from an i7 7700k that I think I paid 350$ for so I couldn’t be happier. I really appreciate your guy’s real world tests though. I know cinabench is the standard but how many people really buy a pc just to run render tests?
I'm excited for the AVX512 support for RPCS3 and other emulators, but overall platform cost is looking ugly so far. It would be nice to see some comparisons between these same processors in RPCS3 and Yuzu
DDR5 prices will continue to drop. X670 boards will go down in price once the early adopter tax expires. And B650 boards will be out next month. So the platform costs really aren't known for anyone but those who buy in right now, rather than just a month from now.
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I like that you start with the lower end cpu because that's what most people are probably going to buy compared to a 7950x
Some added up X670E plus DDR5 RAM at current prices and concluded the CPU was poor value in the headline, despite the config being unrealistic for gaming.
poor choice to jump platform, cost of motherboard at the moment will be higher or about the same as the cpu. thats not even taking to account ddr5 ram.
Just wait till the X3D SKUs come out.. hehe
just need to wait for B series board, DDR5 is only like 15% more expensive than DDR4 now, I personally will wait for intel's offers
@@SupraSav imagine Intel also lauches 3dV Cache
Just by looking at the 5600X, I think it's kinda safe to say we have saturated the most out of CPU performance in gaming with what we currently have. It's gonna take about 4yrs or so for most people using the 5600X to even consider an upgrade.
Depends on the game tho
@@robinkonig5828 depends on resolution and gpu and the quality you play on. too much variables to say what will bottleneck in the future. but everything like ryzen 5000 and 11th gen intel will hold up pretty well for the future.
I have a 5600x oc @ 4.6ghz and in terms of gaming I'm very very satisfied with what it can do vs where it stands with competition from both within amd itself and also on the Intel side.
Not only that but for all my multi-threaded tasks, this chip really destroys anything I throw at it already, music production mostly with ableton & djing with Rekordbox and Serato. There's really no point for me to upgrade the chip as the upgrade itself won't really benefit me in the tasks I'm already doing. In addition to having 32gb 3600mhz ram, my platform is rock solid for the next 3 years EASY.
@@shroud4269 Same here, actually a 5600 non X but also overclocked. I only got a 144hz monitor with no plans of getting 240hz, so I guess I'm good.
Right. I think it is too early to upgrade from a 5600X. But the 7600X is probably a very good upgrade for older CPUs.
what i got from this is that the 5800X3D is awesome and i can just upgrade to that from my 5600x when i feel i need to. but i probably won't because the 5600x is pretty good already.
It may be of no upgrade at 1080p using say my RX 6700 and 5600x, that's where the needle needs to move vs the cost, using a 3090Ti is not winning🙃
Go for the 58003d
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 I disagree. I have a Rx6900xt paired with the 5600x. I mostly play ACC and MSFS 2020. I run ACC at Ultra in 1440p at 144hz with no issues. MSFS in Ultra easily runs over 100FPS which is a waste anyway. If I need a boost I will upgrade to the 5800x3d chip. I seriously doubt I will need an platform upgrade until AM6.
I mean going from 2700x to 5800x3d did wonders for me but from 5600x to 5800x3d I don't think it is really worth it.
@@mikehiesener4139 I am not saying a RX 6950 doesn't help, I am saying can the Ryzen 7000 make my RX6700 run faster and by how much at 1080p over my 5600x if it's not the top end card.
The ryzen 5 5600 is basically the same as the 5600x right?
Wow. The i5 12600k is a beast
Yes., but it needed 10 cores and 125W TDP against 6 cores 🙃
@@sudeshryan8707 price is king. if they can put that on a cpu with the same price, it's an advantage they deserve.
@@GraveUypo I agree price is king. Let us thank AMD for putting greedy Intel to that level. otherwise you'd be paying $600 for 12600K. 😄
Probable best price performance chip going at the moment
@@sudeshryan8707 u are paying more for less cores?. See how u can make anything into a pro. None of these companies know u exist so when u recommend 7600x to someone over the 12600k/kf or 5600x u are telling them spend even more for the motherboard and ram for not much performance (hotter and power hungry). It s funny how INTEL is becoming the budget option and AMD the more power less cores but no fan in the box =( option
I recently upgraded from an i5 7600k to the 5600x paired with an RTX 3060ti and it's been a dream. Completely eliminated any framerate stutter and improved performance by like 20-30%. I got it for an amazing $260 deal at Canada Computers.
I'm glad to see the newest stuff is as good as they made it out to be, but I think right now we've reached the point of diminishing returns of what the CPU can do in most games. I'm not upset that I didn't bother waiting.
(That FPS leap in CSGO is insane but let's be honest, you'll never notice it)
try to play Tarkov and you will get a lot of stutters))))
@@ivany4009 That's why I said most games
Btw is canadacomputers reliable. I wanted to buy from them but it's sketchy with their customer support
Drop the Peerless Assassin 120 SE cooler on your 5600x, cost me $35.90 usd, and very pleased with it!
@@kravenfoxbodies2479 I just got a CM 212 Black and it seems to be doing just fine but thanks for the recommendation! I ran the stock cooler for a week or so and it seemed to be doing ok but was loud as hell
The Lancool III advert had me in stitches lol 😂 That was genius ❤
Awesome review for the 7600X, but man that advert stole the show.
wouldnt a 5800x3d be a much better purchase from a value perspective? especially for someone with an existing am4 motherboard. just need to buy the cpu itself. buying a 7600x means buying ddr5 memory and new motherboard...
Yea that would be the case especially considering how cheap parts can be had. The 3d needs a beefy cooler, even for gaming. Mine on a full loop running siege at 3440x1440 I'm in the mid 60s easily. And that's with only a Vega 64 as gpu.
depends. in the short term yes. but on the long run you will need to change platform anyway. If you reaaallly need a change of just your CPU right now, the 5800x3d seems to be the sound choice. I think the best choice for the money would be to wait for the next gen CPUs , so that the motherboards and RAM would have gone down in price and then do the jump ( this is more future proof as well ) .
All depends. Buying everything new AM4 is a dead end. But AM5 all new should be able to upgrade the 7600x to something better in the future. Say 8800x3d or 9800x3d whatever. But right now mobo and ram makes 7600x... But 5800x3d is not much better if starting with nothing.
But really the best move was to get into Ryzen 2000x. Upgrade to a Ryzen 5600 or something in like in the past couple months and skip AM5. Ryzen 1000 motherboards going to Ryzen 5000 being almost a bad move. Since Ryzen 1000 motherboards are all bad and really poor judgment to upgrade.
But a other good option was to buy Intel 12th gen if it was cheap VS a new AM4 build a few months ago. Heck maybe Intel 12th makes sense even now.
Really you will lose whatever you try and do. We have still no news from Intel to compare AM5 with. And without owning any AM4 parts. AM5 still makes little sense even if it is a better Intel house heater. XD If we got some good mobo's and 7600x that simply works as it should at good price? I mean even with DDR5 being still expensive your looking at something much better then AM4 and Intel right now. Good DDR4 vs Decent DDR5 cost the same right now I say. So even that is not really much to complain about RIGHT now. Hard to pick 5800x3d or 7600x.
Me? I got a brand new AM4 mobo and expensive DDR4 sticks. Makes no sense buying it right now but I really think 5900x (basically 2 5600x's) is going to be more then enough.
Should outlast AM5 and not get to slow or die on me as a Ryzen 1000 mobo with a 5600 system might do just before AM6. But look what Intel do, no fanboy this crap. AMD might have to become better to stray off Intel and Nvidia. I just scored decent AM4 parts without having invested anything into AMD before this point. And can not bring myself to pay mobo and DDR5 prices when we know they are going to become so much better in a short amount of time.
I really think we are going into the next true gen with AM5 and Intel 13th and GPU's are also going to next gen. And it all looks to be problematic. Nope out if you can. Do not early adopt.
@@bellybutthole69 nah just wait ✋ buy a perbuilt with the new stuff from Best Buy or Amazon use their Credit card save you a whole headache oh 😅 make sure you put the insurance on it for a whole year 🤔
Yup, and skip am5
Great review guys, but AMD did pretty bold statement about 7600X during the announcement claiming it to have better gaming performance than 12900K, so I'd really like to see how much of that statement is actually true.
At this point gaming should not even be considered in benchmarks. Like who is going to buy these cpus and play in 1080p which is the only resolution you could see a difference. If you want to play games and you are buying a platform that costs 700$ it means that you have another 400$ to throw for a gpu like 3060ti and you can play games in 1440p or even 4k.
Not "Rocket lake", the next 13th gen from Intel is called "Raptor Lake". Rocket Lake was the disastrous 11th gen.
Just putting in here for correctness.
11th gen was tiger lake
I’m glad you said “in most cases” you’re better off with a better GPU than a CPU for gaming as Dimitri plays EFT and he knows EFT needs a good CPU too.
Nice shot Hugo.
Completely ignored the fact the 12600k is cheaper and so is the motherboard.
Its on par in performance and cheaper
Funny you should say that....because we don't know final AM5 motherboard pricing yet. Unless you take some BS rumors and extrapolate those into a review.
I'm disappointed HWC didn't test the performance of the 7000 series against the 5000 series with them at 65W TDP. I would be interested to see if the performance uplift was due to higher IPC as AMD claims, or just from higher raw clock speed and more cache.
It seems like Alder Lake IPC is similar to Zen 4.
My OCed i5 12400 scores higher than 7600x in CB23, and it is only at 5.1ghz / 5.2ghz.
@@paulotakahama what board, b660m pg riptide?
@@paulotakahama because zen 4 uses 256x 2 instruction set as compared to 512x 1. Which decreases it's performance in cb23. Watch jayztwocentz vid for more info.
@@creaturedanaaaaa Exactly, B660m Riptide. The CPU + Mobo was below 310 usd for me, best bang for the buck!
Also using 3733mhz cl14 with tuned timmings (B-Die).
Built this setup just for fun!
5800x 3d looks like best cpu for it's price !
This comment aged like milk lol, 13700k shits all over the 5800x3D.
Jeez! Intel's i5 12600k is one of the best value cpus's right now!
I still have my Skylake 6600k. It's served me well over the years but it's time for an upgrade. Going to grab a 7600x or a 7700x.
Raptor lake will probably give more performance for the money though, launching next month. But Intel will not support the CPU socket for future generations which is not good. If you are not upgrading your CPU often Intel will very likely be a very good alternative.
@@aos32 I'd rather have the ability to future proof my system for future upgrades. AMD is the best option for me.
Huge upgrade! Enjoy :)
in the same boat as you. hopefully you found a good deal on AM5 boards
@@cautiousdissolute5780 I upgraded - Got a 7600x with a Gigabyte X670 AORUS ELITE AX
I was scared of seeing 7600X domination over 12600K after I purchased the latter one. After seeing the tests, clearly both are quite similar and both are good choices. Buy the cheaper one I would say
7600x is bottlenecked by GPUs in most games
12600k maxed out =7700x with pbo. It is wayyy ahead of 7600x
yeah, unless one wants the new AMD platform it makes little sense to buy a 7600X or even 7700X, the current intel platform can offer similar performance at a much lower cost (considering CPU+MB+RAM)
Why would you not want 7600X to be better????
The 12600k is $100 cheaper than the 7600x And a good z690 mobo is $150 cheaper than the cheapest x670. I would say it would be stupid to buy the 7600x if you want value for money
Also (my third comment) @11:05 Rocket Lake is Intel's 11th Gen. 13th Gen is Raptor Lake.
Every mom's-basement-dwelling neckbeard: You need an 8-core processor for gaming, because that's what consoles use now, 6 cores is low-end.
Me: Ok grandpa, let's get you to bed
Aside console ports, AMD's push for higher core counts is finally materializing in the gaming industry. Major engines like UE5 make it easier to optimize for high core counts.
In a not so distant future, games will run better on 8-cores. I think this is the last generation where you would prefer a 6-core due to thermal throttling.
Tech Deals in shambles
same thing Intel shills said in 4 core i7 era.
@@BeCaffe It's arguable that AMD forced the issue pretty effectively already on the original PS4 and Xbone - the 8 cores in those things were Jaguar-based, meaning they were originally designed for use in tablets and mobile phones! To get games like RDR2 running on cores that anaemic individually is an extremely impressive feat of parallelization. The issue is that PCs aren't a standardized platform with predictable hardware and resolution/frame rate targets, rendering many of the optimization techniques used on consoles invalid - we won't be seeing PC builds competing with the Series-S on power efficiency with comparable quality any time soon!
12600 seems best bang for buck rn. 7600x is nice, but you need a whole hw upgrade with new motherboard, ddr5 ram, good cpu cooler since those thermals are spicy, etc. we'll have to wait and see how raptor lake goes
Make sure to get 12600K. The 12600 non-K does not have the 4 E cores.
It was bound to happen at some point. AMD needed a platform shift for upcoming generations and they chose now as the time.
You need a whole new motherboard with the 12600K as well.
As for the thermals, this video didn't properly explain them. The chips intentionally run at higher temperatures to maximize clock speeds. If you get a better cooler, it's still going to run at a high temperature under full load, but you'll get a small performance boost. If you get a weaker cooler, you'll be at the same temperatures, but have an even smaller performance deficit.
PC World did some testing of the 7950X with a 105W TDP, and it only lost 10% off its Cinebench R23 multi-threaded score. It lost nothing on single-threaded speed. That put it still 34% ahead of the 5950X (instead of 48% ahead at 170W TDP).
This is the first youtube ad that i actually like and don't skip. Good work
I would love to see the 7600X running with a power limit eg 65W. This may allow mini ITX builds. Thank you for making this review!
As it looks you just have to put your CPU fan on your desired speed and the 7600X will just boost till it hits 95C° which is fine.
probly just have to wait for the non x variant. i remember a GN video where it was a 65w non x vs the 95w x and even the title was like '50$ for a letter' or whatever
@@SirSilicon except youll get a hot pc and a loud one as well.
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j a hot cpu: yeah. A hot PC: No. A loud PC: also no, sionce you can choose to go for 800rpm on your fans.
@@SirSilicon ah okay then, throttle all the way....
might as well get a worse cpu instead then...
Raptor lake, not rocket lake, i7-12700K not i9, OCD cannot be ignored :D
and to think the 7600 is always the budget friendly 6c12t build for gamers, crazy performance.
It's not exactly budget friendly at this point. The last time I spent that much on a CPU, it was a 4790k.
@@auturgicflosculator2183 Inflation did a lot to pricing though for USD at least. $300 in 2014 is the equivalent of $375 in today's world.
@@doggoduud2121 That's a good point, thanks!
It’s not a budget cpu. My 12600k was £248 a year ago and worked with ddr4 and everything else I already had. This is £330 needs ddr5. It is NOT a budget cpu!
@@fluphybunny930 12600k is neck on neck with 7600x
Imagine 13600k 🌚
2 week since i jump from Ryzen 7 3700X to Ryzen 5 7600X with same old Rtx 2060s. I'm using 6000mhz ddr5 32gb kit. And with same old gpu RTX 2060s i got 19fps more on average mw2 gameplay and benchmarks. Only ram and cpu upgrade gives more fps with same graphics card is first time i see. I will get soon RTX 4080.
Not really worth the price and platform cost if the main usage is gaming. Even with 3090ti (a card with msrp over a grand) the gains arent that big in 1440p.
Most people have cards in range of 3080 or way below.
Better to get the 5800x3d if you're already on am4 and just want a cpu upgrade.
And another thing is you need a pretty decent specced ddr5 memory to even see the performance gains.
Yeah...
I really thought 7000 series would give a lot better fps
'amd domination' same performance as previous Gen Intel at almost double the cost 😂
hope my R5 3600 still stronk till 8th gen Ryzen come out lol
The question really is...is there a need to upgrade from AM4 to any AM5? Seems to me the right move is to upgrade to 5800x3d on AM4 and skip AM5 in you are gaming on 1440 or less.
Lol AM5 will still developing untill 2025+, why skip it when the road path is still far away
@@casualtake1497 because a 5800x3d easily takes you 3 years for gaming. It all depends on AMDs plans. If they go 6 years and you buy in midway that makes sense.
It's not a question of need. It's a question of what kind of performance you want, what hardware you currently have, and how much you want to spend. It will cost marginally less to build a system from scratch with a 5800X3D, but you'll be starting at the end of the road. With a 7600X, you gain entry to a platform that will be around until at least 2026. And which will have 3D cache parts in a few months.
If you already have an AM4 system and a good graphics card, and want to remove as much of your CPU bottleneck as you can, then an upgrade to the 5800X3D is a perfectly fine option.
Performance is good, but the power consumption and temps are a different story.
Others might have said it already, but 13th gen is Raptor Lake, not Rocket lake haha
With a GPU bottleneck it would be nice to see CPU utilisation to still differentiate
I recently bought 5600x and I was worried if 7600x would be too much of an improvement, but honestly even tho it is much better, I am satisfied with how 5600x performed against it
Your 'gaming vs real world performance' should be 'gaming vs productivity performance' ... especially when your very next slide, Cinebench, is an artificial benchmark.
Games are real world applications. Consumers buy CPUs to run their games.... whereas Cinebench is an artificial benchmark (i.e it's not photoshop, blender, 7zip, or a compiler) designed to approximate those productivity workloads. Consumers do not buy a CPU in order to run Cinebench.
That RAM is 350+ bucks, it's the only way Zen 4 can improve over 5800X3D as other reviewers using 5200 DDR5 RAM showed worse results compared to the 5800X3D.
That dominance might last a week until 13th Gen.
Hopefully AMD's upcoming laptop chips with be more power efficient.
for the i7 / i9 maybe, i3 and i5 13th will be the same at the 12th with turbo boost
11:09 Raptor Lake* Intel has so many lakes already.
Great stuff. FYI I think you mean Raptor Lake not Rocket Lake;)
Rocket Lake is Core 2 11th gen, the one before Alder Lake.
I really don't understand the excitement for these new processors (mind you my main rig went from a 1600af to a 3900x, and my backup rig is currently a 3600, so not an Intel fanboy). They are a good incremental improvement, but way to close to parity with alder lake when Intel is not far from announcing 13th gen, which will have to be another tenth gen side grade not to be firmly ahead. If these were AM4 or had perhaps added 16 pcie lanes instead of just 4 or had a high enough pcie lane to made it a challenge for Intel to beat them with 13th gen or both, then the excitement might make sense.
i agree. 12600kf is 320 bucks and 7600x 390$ . why are people excited about this overpriced piece of crap. ill wait patiently for intel 13th gen. my 11400f will do for now.
@@jeremyniels Some of the Ideas they have implemented do have potential, they just need to take better advantage of them. I suspect a lot of what we see here is laying groundwork for the zen5. Just like 12th gen's version of big.little has potential, but likely not fully realized.
I would say go with the 12600K for better value with DDR4 MB. But I love the thought of a Gen 5.0 M.2 so I am leaning toward the 7600x and a AM5 board. But you have that 990 Pro hitting soon so I don't know. Think I will wait a month or two.
You are aware that the unreleased 990 pro is gen 4 not gen 5.
Looking at these benchmarks, I'm totally fine with my Ryzen 5600X and RX 5600XT for a long time lol
Good choice
Nice way to show the information and the range it is competing, is true that for gaming above 1440p CPU is almost not an issue in AAA games, the fastest FPS is only intended for competitive gaming, so even if is better than before, its value is almost the same as an I9 12900KS with DDR5 6400 RAM for gaming, I think I will also avoid this generation and make the leap with the next one, my 5800x is still very capable
It's hard to justify upgrading CPU if you already have a 56xx or 12xxx. It looks like the real leaps forward will have to come from GPUs. I was hoping for more power efficiency than this delivers.
I dont see the domination. Its too close to the 12600k and that is a 1 year old cpu soon built on 10nanometer. I would go 5800x3d instead just to save money.
oh my god the production value here. Your face is perfectly lit! The background, lights, colors and stills as well. 10/10
2:25 "a totally revamped execution engine for increased core efficiency".
TDP jumped from 65W to 105W. Could someone PLEASE explain the word "efficiency" to me? xD
Run the 5600X and 7600X both at 65W TDP, then compare performance. You're welcome.
This definitely helps cement my decision to get a 7600x to replace my fx8350, if AMD sticks to their promise to support AM5 for several generations I'll get a high end chip and Motherboard at the end of AM5 lifecycle. Very excited to play with pcie 5.0 storage and gpu's as they come out.
I'd hold off another couple of months if you can. It looks like Intel is going to blow the 7600x out if the water with the 13600k on both price & performance. I'd first see Intel's release & then how AMD responds.
@@moorhs69 I can understand the sentiment. I keep 2 active computers at the moment and have so far had one as an AMD/Radeon build. and the other, my wife's PC. as an intel/NVidia build. With the new arc gpus I'm planning to rebuild my old system as a full intel/intel home server to play with. So in my case it's hobbyist use, the hardware itself is part of the fun. Appreciate the suggestion though.
Yeah a new 7600x being matched at 1440p by my 12700k for gaming. And smoked on everything in workloads now waiting for intel to smoke it with raptor lake even more.
Yes it's an impressive step from AMD but I don't understand the "Domination" part of the video title.
Intel i5-12600k is a close competitor according to your benchmarks. In computing it beats the 7600X in many cases and it's more than a decent gaming cpu as well.
Gotta get people to click on your video somehow, especially since every tech CZcamsr is uploading a video on the subject all at once
i agree considering the price difference as well
both CPUs are more gaming oriented and the 7600X wipes the floor with the 12600K, that's what I think his point is. Also, beating the 12600K in a lot of multithreaded workloads with 4 less physical cores is impressive too.
@@RafitoOoO wipes the floor means in all games ive just seen 2-3 selected games. others pretty much same
Exactly the review and comparison I needed. Thanks
What a great achievement wow
A new cpu beat older cpu its impossible
It’s kinda ridiculous that y’all ever talked about stuff like 7600 outside of the cost of a similarly budgeted whole system to begin with. No offense, but I think having access to this tech constantly has warped most reviewers perception of how this stuff is consumed. I don’t know a single person who operates on mid chipset / socket refreshes. I built my first PC just over a decade ago and I’ve had two systems in that time. The only refresh I’ve done was bumping from a 660Ti to a 970. I’m still on a 1070Ti with an 8700k. I know people on 6000 and 7000 series Intel and I gotta watch people farting around, hemming and hawing over clickbait nonsense comparisons for boutique buyers without just telling me if any of the stuff is worth the price being asked for it. I don’t care if it’s a better deal than the last thing that they aren’t going to be making more of, I care if this is a good deal.
Runs hotter then the 3d, crazy. Not sure I need to upgrade then. Goes to show what a beast 3d cache is. There's zero need for an upgrade for me. Great review guys.
According to AMD, these temperatures are perfectly normal. AMD has adjusted the 7000 series to reach TJmax (95c) first unless the power limit is reached. Too bad HC didn't mention this.
@@Physis_88 its the exact same for the 5000 series and the 5800x3d.
this is crazy i've seen reviews of hardware unboxed, Linus, Hardwarecanucks and all of you have very different results
Just noticed this as well. I don't understand why...
It's the power consumption mainly. Gamers Nexus also mentioned how the 7950x has a 95C start off the bat. The ball is on Intel's court now.
Different benchmarks and scenes lead to different results. That's why you should never grab only one review before making a purchase decision.
@@HardwareCanucks What grabbed my attention was hitman 3 results between you and hardware unboxed one result is in the 300s fps and the other is in the 100s
The temperature alone is a reason to avoid the 7000 series.
I just acquired 5600X and I think I will stay with it for another 3 years minimum!
ddr4 + 13600k/13700k if lower pricing, no platform update, and lets see am5 motherboard prices drop, ddr5 amd expo ram prices drop and zen4 3d cpus released.
Really waiting to see the 3D-cache one will be more exciting to see though.
I think AMD is saving that until Intel releases raptor lake & I'll bet they've already produced test samples. They'll do a 7800x which will be a 7700x with 3D vcache and maybe even a 5600X3D to keep up with Intel's 13600k. There are already leaked benchmarks of the 13600k obliterating the 7600X
Is it just me or is the 7600x the most useless cpu on the market?
Motherboards and ram cost so much more that you can basically get a 5800x3d for roughly the same price… if you have the old motherboards or ram still working fine you get it cheaper…
So you get much better gaming performance for the same or better price on the 5800x3d... And if you need pcie 5.0 or more raw performance then the 5900x, 5950x, 7700x, 7950x are all much better…
Is it just me or am I right?
It's just you.
I wish all sponsor spots were this creative (and funny).
What annoys the shit out of me is how a 6 core 12 thread cpu can't outboost or out clock a 16 core -32 thread cpu by a mile in the same generation.
Thing should boost 5.9ghz 2 cores 5.5 4 cores all day since the 7950's seem to boost 5.7ghz consistently in the reviews I watched.
That's called product segmentation....
@@HardwareCanucks SAND BAGGING
It's called binning. The Zen 4 CPU die has eight cores. The only dies that end up in a 6-core product have defects that prevent one or two of those cores from working properly. Most dies with those kinds of defects are also going to have a steeper voltage/frequency curve, meaning you can't clock as high within safe voltage limits and within the TDP limit.
It's not an artificial limitation.
@@TrueThanny paying 400+ for the trash
Seems there's an error on the 2 cinebench graphs at 4:10 and 4:23. The x axis shouldn't say lower is better right? It's also not Time to Completion in min.
I have an i5-12600K I got brand new for $147. Best decision ever. That lil mf rips. I OC'd it to 5.4GHz and it got a massive boost in performance. The 7600X is great, but the i5-12600K is still amazing.
Now I want to buy, which is better
@@rudramusiczoneee Despite my great experience with the i5-12600K, I would recommend getting the 7600X or some other AM5 CPU that fits your budget. Ryzen 9000 CPUs are coming out soon and the AM5 socket will likely be around for a few more years. LGA1700 is officially dead with the release of Intel 14th gen.
@@alexanders.4591 thanks you, zero project motherboard with 7600x
12600k is fkn cheap .. s tier cpu right now . My pc is 1.5yrs lga1700..so no point of upgrading but 12600k is the best option to take my pc in peak level
@@thunderp1719 Hell yeah. The 12600K is amazing.
5600x paired with the 3060ti with a good dual/tri fan GPU solution in the right push pull configuration case without having a radiator saturate the case or being all air has been the most efficient gaming setup in relation to performance for power. It sips power and still runs most titles at 90-120fps even in 1440, for the next few years there won't be anything that will beat that combo's price point and how much it takes to run that level of performance . I got my brothers PC running Elden ring at 110fps at 188watts from the wall and it's only 41db just like 2-3db higher then the background noise with a corsair all air setup. You simply can't beat it atm. I would say someone who doesn't know how to micromanage power draw would be in the 200-300watt range and that is simply amazing.
Your sponsor spot cracked me up! That dang talking case... that case period... I was asked to help an old co-worker build a nice fat gaming machine for her to use for work, too. She went with that big-ass headache! I did, and still do, think that the little panel release s being built in like that are neat, and satisfying on a different level to actuate, but I did not enjoy building inside that beast at all. Mind you, I have my main rig sitting neatly in a DanA4 case... that I'm looking to downsize with a low-pro 4060 card soon into a case half the volume. So, I don't mind a challenge, but getting all the lights and fans to work properly was a pain in the ass.
5600x cost about 180euro...5600 150euro.. add a 300+euro 3060 or 6600xt for a same amount of 7600x price..cpu,mb,ddr5 only ..and NO LCS NEEDED !!...also can have a last upgrade path with 5800x3d when price down, or 5900x...
I'm also thinking of buying a 5600x to replace my i5 6600k I have a 6700xt I'm thinking of buying a 12400f but the motherboards are too expensive an x570 costs 100$ from me than a z690
5600x doesn't support ddr4 and the socket is dead end. With 12th gen you'll get atleast one more upgrade path + ddr5 compatibility, with am5, you'll get atleast 2-3 years of upgrade path.
@@eriktenhag2022 You mean ddr5..for 350-400 euro cpu AM4 upgrade is not a dead end..Ex.gaming perf 5800x3d vs 12900k, 400 euro vs 1000.....the point is the price for value because you have to pay more than double for less then +25% performance , AM5 doesn't offer nothing in any level, even 12th gen, which were a revolution ,except that the Intel had a smart move to have a ddr4 mb variant ..Btw, ddr4 vs 5 no real impact to justify price diff..like i sad before ..Don't forget the LCS cost, hazard failure and life, 2-3 years vs ex.Noctua lifetime..
40$ is a few bugs? Ok.... and then new socket -> new motherboard and unexpected problems and expensive mbs at the start , new ddr5 , i mean if you have 12600k no thanks! even if you have 5600x not worth it atm
Is cool and all seeing all these graphs but when will it be released? There are still no non-gaming 6000 Rseries laptops in Canada.
Problem is... it's nearly £1000 to upgrade to the new stuff, that's just way to much
I just want to thank AMD for pushing the CPU industry leaps and bounds over the last 5 years. I upgraded from a i5-3330 to a i3-6100 and eventually a 7700k. That improved my performance a good deal, but in the same time between the i5 and i7, the 12th gen came out and now 7000 series. A i3-12100 for a little over $100 beats my 7700k and 6-cores and up are mainstream. Cache sizes exploded, and memory speed has become a significant performance factor to feed these new CPUs fast enough. I can't wait to see 13th gen with insane cores counts on the cheap and 3D cache Ryzen absolutely clowning on Intel in gaming.
You: "All these CPUs give the same framerates at this setting... " fair enough, but...
Also you: "Wow, look at this! This CPU is keeps up with this CPU at these settings!!!"
Pick one bruh.
There is one thing i´m missing in all the charts. Freakin IDLE power consumption. The thing is, my main rig does not play games all the time - i browse internet, watch movies, play music and do some office stuff. Only occasionally i want to game and i only spend few hours per week with it. I don´t play benchmarks either.
Electricity in my area just went up and looking for.that.one.sort.of.charts is leaving me feel highly frustrated, as they seem to not exist. Everybody talks about "efficiency", but there is no use for it and it´s more like AMD marketing language (the one they used when 7000 series went out to cover up, how 7000 series consumes more energy than its predecessor).
Using a wattmeter, i found out, that my 5600X on a X570 board consumes about 80W in idle. Reducing it to 50W would save me 15€ per year (assuming the cost won´t jump up next year again). Not much, but these things do add up and the CPU does not sit in idle all the time either, but keeps jumping to 100W+ all the time.
The saddest thing? Old intel CPUs consume next to nothing when idling. My server rig with i5 7500 and 2 active HDDs is idling at 32W... For comparison, i was previously using Celeron G3930 there and the same system was idling at 30W - that´s how i imagine "efficiency"!
In my country 5600x is 160 Euro, 12600kf is 177 Euro and 7600X is 220-230Euro making 12th gen nobrainer due to the fact you can keep DDR4 and the upgradability to 13700k is very viable.
That Lancool ad is freaking hilarious xD
This is the best review so far. Incuded game temps? Check! Explained 1440P across last gen CPU's with 3090ti? Check! This was brilliant. Moral? not losing squat at 1440P if you are on a last gen CPU all the way up to 3090ti. $$$ better spent on GPU upgrade. Period. Although... that 5800X3D... soooo juicy.
in short,,
more performance for more powerdraw, more heat, more price and more expensive component-package purchase
so 1 : 4
imma wait Intel counter-points
I usually dont comment much, but i gotta say i love the thumbnail
Zen4 and Raptor lake will need to be retested in gaming with the new GPUs that are coming soon
I doubt the standings will change at all...it's not like a 3090ti will suddenly be slow because 4000 comes out.
Ok. I've seen a lot of these tests. One question remains: Who is pairing a $1500 GPU with a $150-$300 CPU?
I’m deciding between the I5 12600 and Ryzen 5 7600 CPU for my first PC build. Looking at a RX6700 GPU. Intel is currently 30% cheaper but It seems like both will run 2k games at good FPS.
Is it fair to assume the Ryzen 5 7600 is more future proof due to the new technology and newer motherboard required. I’m starting from scratch so I’ll need to buy a new motherboard anyway. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
i9 12700k? is it i9 12900k or i7 12700K? im so confused
Decent overall but 13 gen....uh oh. Love the competition.
what? the 7600x is dead on arrival, what domination? the 12600f costs way less , has lower entry point and beats it in productivity and just trails in gaming
I don't need to wait to see Raptor Lake, I'm done buying dead end platforms from Intel. Even if Raptor Lake is a little better, so what? I'd rather stick to a superior platform that will last a lot longer.
The real based comment.
Fuck intel.
look , they did blew up my mind but the sponsor spot 🤣🤣
I’ve never been this early.
Raptor Lake is DOA becuase you can''t upgrade the chip after this as it's the last 1700 CPU socket. The AM5 is good to last at least until 2025+. This means you can buy the 7600X now and uprade 2-4 years later with AM5+ or AM6. That's the biggest draw with AMD, much like it was with AM4.
Basically, for gaming, you don't need anything more than the 7600X.
in my life i never seen such Godlike performance smashing 1080p and 1440p. These Cpus are not even monster category. They are simply DEVIL.
7600x doesn't make sense once you add in the $300 motherboard and $250 ram.
For real world, why spend the extra for the couple minimal gains? Sorry, I'll stick with the Intel and DDR4. Everyone talking about future proofing, when you really don't need to spend the money on a system that has no support yet. Don't get me wrong, I love the latest and greatest too, and to each their own of course, I just don't see the point.
Older video and cpu at this point but I just snagged one recently for 220$ and I’m stoked.
I know the next gen family’s right around the corner but I’m coming from an i7 7700k that I think I paid 350$ for so I couldn’t be happier. I really appreciate your guy’s real world tests though. I know cinabench is the standard but how many people really buy a pc just to run render tests?
looks like its good time to buy 5800X3D for gaming rn.
I'm excited for the AVX512 support for RPCS3 and other emulators, but overall platform cost is looking ugly so far. It would be nice to see some comparisons between these same processors in RPCS3 and Yuzu
They are really ugly unfortunately
DDR5 prices will continue to drop. X670 boards will go down in price once the early adopter tax expires. And B650 boards will be out next month.
So the platform costs really aren't known for anyone but those who buy in right now, rather than just a month from now.
Quality of the video🤯
Amazing ad for lancool 3👌
Waiting for Raptor lake
Best sponcer segment of anything ever
Thanks for looking at the 7600x first.
4:13 what is a i9 12700k
I... really like this channel. I feel like you could talk about anything and I would listen.