Don't be Lied To! Defense & Sport are Different Arts! - Kama Vlog
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- Over time Jiu-Jitsu has transformed into two separate arts. Are you sure you're learning the right one?
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I was rolling with a man few weeks ago. He had no rank in JiuJitsu. He was quite skilled. I said to him, "I thought you had no training in BJJ" He relied, "BJJ is a sport, I trained as a Black Wasp in the Cuban Special Forces." Alrighty then. :-)
Docinaplane great point.
Thank, Pablo, I appreciate that!
Smells like bullshit lmfao
I've been training Brazilian jiu jitsu for 12 years and I wear a no stripe whitebelt because out of those 12 years I've trained maybe 50 hours in a gi and a bit of that time was training in the Army. I went to a new school recently and was giving thier purple belts problems and they had some questions.
Sport stuff has never been really high on my priority list. I have guys that compete but they do not train specifically for tournaments they train self defense and apply it in the tournaments.
exactly the way we feel is the best way to do it. thank you for that!
Totally agree...my always try to envision from Time to Time ....if I am in a position how can i adapt it to a self defense concept.
Thats is why we dont see at the podiums in IBJJF or ADCC!
I have a friend who trains in sports jiujitsu, he is also a blackbelt... What he said is that focus your jiujitsu for grappling competitions and only practice self-defense once in a while.
I completely agree with you, Professor. That's why at Gracie Barra we teach self-defense along with the fundamental Jiu-Jitsu techniques they need to learn in order to practice the art effectively.
I've watched a couple of your vids. I like the content, so you have a new sub mate.
Thanks for posting these vlogs its helping me understand the Bjj world more then i ever imagined.I watch them when i have down time at work
Very helpful honest information. I wish I could ttain with you
Cheers
Glen from Australia
You point is excellent, which is probably not mentioned nearly enough in today’s world. I have seen this numerous times where competition was the focus and self defense was lacking.
Like I actually can't believe this channel has 2k subs . These videos are super informative and a must see for any jiu jitsu practitioner
+darkblade225 Doesn’t matter to us. We originally put this together for our members. Glad that at least a few other people find value in the channel. Thanks for your kind words!
would u possibly consider doing a video on the dorty dozen? similar to ur gracie family tree video
I would put MMA guys ahead of sport BJJ guys due to the ferocity of the fights and the striking game when it comes to self defence. Its a sport but its very effective. MMA guys have to be able to dole out and take hits, take downs and grappling.
+kevin campbell agreed.
I do MMA but BJJ is my favorite aspect of it. No Gracie schools near me unfortunately but with MMA all BJJ needs to be basic and functional as the constant threat of being punched in the face keeps it that way. As I get older I may transition into BJJ for the more in-depth game once I'm confident in my self-defence ability.
MMA is just waaay closer to a real fight. Rules dictate behavior. MMA has far less rules than BJJ.
People keep saying blah blah blah martial art is the best for a real fight. Ohhhh slamming people on concrete is the best oooo. The truth is nothing can beat MMA.
@@justinwu737 Except weapons. Those will not only beat your MMA, they'll outright kill you.
Hopefully Eddie Bravo's Combat JuiJitsu (palm strikes allowed) helps return the art a bit more to its self-defense roots. There's a high likelihood it will, as I'd imagine those tournaments will become the most watched & therefore make the most money & attract the best players. Awesome & insightful vid coach, thanks! Wish I could train at your gym!!
Combat JJ is certainly a step in a great direction.
While rolling, Eddie always imagined the opponent striking. This is why he changed his style. He always asked the question “can my opponent hit me from this position?”
I wish I had a Jiu-Jitsu school teaching self defense nearby. Keep doing this wonderful job, you are changing the world
Thank you.
That’s what i would like to do as some point before i die.
22:11 LMAO. That part on the guy twirling was funny as hell.
Great stuff.
Totally agree and that’s how I’ve always believed
Thank you for posting this. I'm very interested in this topic. I've primarily been a Muay Thai and Filipino martial arts guy, but I am becoming a lot more interested jiu jitsu...primarily for self-defense. It would be great if you could post a video showing specific differences between how competition oriented BJJ schools and self-defense oriented/GJJ schools train certain positions or techniques. Or, if you could point me towards other videos that already do this, that would be greatly appreciated as well. Much respect.
Sport is fun and all, but at the end of the day that isn't practical in a street fight. If I pull a guy on top of me and he has a buddy with him, I'm screwed. If I grab the pants and leave my face open then I'm going to get my head smashed. Self defense and some of the MMA stuff is what I enjoy the most as I know it will help me if I get into an actual fight.
Thoughts on Combat Jiu Jitsu? Obviously has gaps e.g. no elbows. BUT palm strikes are sufficient to stop people using positions that can be defeated by punching them in the face!
Why are you pulling guard anyway?
And why are you fighting multiple opponents?
I don't agree to everything you say on every video, but it is interesting to see another point of view, and I respect it. Love the channel, its great to have some different content about other aspects of jiu jitsu than just competition. Thanks! I always wanted to learn more about the art.
Thanks for commenting! That’s OK if you don’t agree with me. Sometimes I don’t agree with me.
Thank you
Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!
+Jaime Willard thanks, Jaime!
Excellent explanation of the difference between sport jiu jitsu vs self defense jiu jitsu. Unfortunately, most bjj schools I have seen never train defending against strikes, closing the distance or using techniques such as upkicks. Need more people to bring back the original intent of BJJ for self defense.
Liked the story about the kid mistakenly thinking others will play by the same rules. Learning to defend against 'illegal' techniques are your responsibility and should be a part of self defense.
This is like a really good Jiu Jitsu specific wrestler or MMA specific wrestler going up against a college wrestler, sure for the specific scenario you can easily take a dude down but they’re almost completely different.
I practice Luta Livre from Rio, and my coach has his black belt in both LL and BJJ (Gi). Luta Livre fought in Vale Tudo and competed with Gracie lineage fighters. We train more for the Competitions and not for self defense. I used to think they were the same thing. Videos like this are opening my eyes to the difference. Scary when I think about how I misunderstood that.
Pablo Americano Early on in my training in Hawaii, there was an event that pitted three GJJ on three LL. That was really fun to watch!
Another great vid!
+Jeremy Frazier thank you!
This is exactly what I've been saying for years. BJJ and Gracie Jiu-jitsu are so different now its not even the same thing anymore. Much different than when I started. Its sad really. Same thing happened to Judo and TKD and Karate. When it becomes a sport it's just a matter of time the actual martial art fades away. These days actual Gracie Jiu-jitsu schools are few and far between.
+dragonballjiujitsu not if KJJ can help it!
+D M that is especially true vs modern BJJ.
don't forget rolling after a throw, especially after a seio-nage and uchi-mata. how're they supposed to finish a guy if they throw their base off so much that they cannot maintain a base after they complete the throw?
I want to learn Judo for self defense not sport
Agree. Would love to find a GJJ school in the Midwest. Too bad most are on the West and East coasts.
Another good video. Like the new background and intro. You touched on something I think would make another great subject for a separate video. What are your recommendations and experiences when rolling/training at a different school? What circumstances lead to it? Is it something that should only be done when you are not able to train at your own school or affiliate, or is it ok to "test the waters"? What is a reasonable "mat fee" going to be? What gear should you wear?( not talking about fashion but more if its taboo to wear your schools patch to another academy). Any insight would be appreciated.
stay tuned...
Haven't started training yet as I'm healing up a shoulder injury and don't want to start training, aggravate it, then have to stop training straight away. Anyway I've been super fascinated by Jiu-Jitsu and I've found your videos incredibly informative and a great insight into the philosophies that are part of Jiu-Jitsu. There are two BJJ schools near me, one that's an MMA school with a BJJ component and a straight up Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu school from someone who I believe trained under Roger Gracie... I think I'll be heading to the non-MMA school as soon as my shoulder is back on the mend
+Ullish1989 thanks for the feedback and telling us a little about yourself. Good luck!
judo brown belt, bjj blue here. Thinking of getting into gracie jj since I'm into self defense more than sport.
I do bjj I definitely agree with the sitting. You would never do that in a fight. If I wasn't worried about getting jumped I might pull guard if their stand up was better. That doesn't mean letting myself get slammed either.
But at the same time the competitive atmosphere is nice and not everything is practical for that. It also encourages continuous physical fitness and consistently showing up because you "need" that extra mat time. Most importantly it encourages exchanging styles.
We do have some striking We do have some no-gi. We do a fair amount of stand up. We do learn "illegal" moves.
We focus most on basics though but before a competition were all preparing each other. It's a chess game and you need a game plan.
good monologue. cool music track
+Robert Upton thanks!
Good insight. I like both styles. Just my opinion.
I'm going to take my first jujitsu class in a couple of days. What type of questions should I ask to insure that they teach self defense, besides the obvious " do you teach self defense ".
I think this is mostly on point. I train at a Ribeiro affiliate and we don’t train much self defense aspects. HOWEVER, there are shades of gray. We do a lot of standup and training in Judo throws. I think this has become part of Ribeiro JJ style so to speak.
I do both. We call self defense fundamentals at GB. Its all important.
I am a mid level blue belt in BJJ. I became a blue belt in 2002 from Carlos Machado. I was injured and got married, so I had an 18 year hiatus. I currently train mainly for self defense as a 41 year old, and I live in Houston, Texas. No one wears heavy cloths, as to potentially mimic a Gi. So I started doing privates with an MMA/BJJ brown belt in No-Gi for the last year. I have learned so much. Mainly realizing what you can't use when someone is not wearing a Gi. Transitioning back to Gi was relatively easy, even though my grips are much different. Also I had major issues with take downs. Back when I got my blue belt, I use to drag people in my guard then work from there. Now I realized how crazy that was. I decided to start doing Judo out side of my BJJ classes about 8 months ago. My BJJ has exploded in ability and options because of that. It drives me CRAZY why guys at tournaments pull and jump into guard. What a crazy behavior to reinforce. When I was in my early 20's I was a very passive BJJ guy. Now as an old 40+ guy, Hell no. I will take side control, knee on belly, and any other dominate position AS SOON AS I CAN. I also stopped waiting to see what my opponent is going to do, and I force them to defend me attacking everything that is available. I quickly try to get the tap, unless I am letting my partner work on his escapes. Also Most of my attacks are chokes, and shoulder locks, now. I use to love arm bars but on a street fight, the fight has to end and end now. If you go for an arm bar and the opponent slips out, NOT GOOD. Even if you break the arm the second arm can still stab you or shoot you. No thank you. Anyways, your videos are great and you really explain things very well. Thank you.
This is an awesome comment and exactly what I was looking for as a guy thinking about which school to pick (yes, i'm lucky to have choices). The goofy worm guard shit that I see on CZcams has always seemed like snake oil to me; something that would only work in a comp against another BJJ guy - and no one else.
You are right Iam a mma champion and a jujitsu champion but in the street it is different you must save your life or someone else.
Truth !!!!
This is so true 👍, Brazilian jujitsu schools often nowadays are watered down like many judo schools and that's sad. Not only that, Brazilian jujitsu schools are very expensive going from 125.00 to 200 a month and not knowing proper take downs and focus 90 percent of lessons on the ground and competition.
I left Brazilian jiu-jitsu because of the cost when I can do judo for 50 dollars a month and I learn self defense, ground and take downs.
Get wise people, open a gym at your home and practice twice a week apart from the school and you will make considerable progress.
This background music is amazing. I'm high and this shit is vibing.
I like the idea of implementing a disadvantage or negative point for pulling guard rather than a sweep or throw. That simple alteration to sport BJJ would dramatically change competition. IMHO
+Duncan Sutherland you’re right.
And if someone stands up while in a triangle, their opponent has to let go and they stand standing again. It's either that or allow slams! (Probably not wise to allow slams).
@@r.b.4611 that's where you're wrong buddy.you hook the inside of the leg to prevent them from picking you up and slammed you.train bjj then have an opinion.fabio Santos bjj
Do you happen to have any opinions/knowledge, of Gracie-Barra or Gracie-Humaita Schools? These are my two options for Jiu-Jitsu near me. All I know for sure, is the Gracie-Humaita is a Royler Gracie affiliated school.
Good stuff, my only question is how do folks train in Brazil. What is the norm down there. Are there alot of schools that have Gracie combative or self defense programs, or are there academies more sport oreanted, or do their schools have the right balance of both. Im really curious because we usually have this debate up here, then what is the norm down there.
We have this issue as well in our academy, where we all start on the ground. The problem is that we have so many people for the given place, so it's a problem for us to start on our feet. My stand up game is so rudimentary as a result, and I have to go to a wreslting club to learn more from starting on my feet.
Too many people allowed in a class, perhaps? If you lower the max amount in a class, can easily do throws and takedowns.
@@KamaJiuJitsu 1) the cost of space is a big concern in NYC area, and 2) I think the gym owner doesn't wanna deal with potential increased chance of injuries related to takedowns. Anyway, it's a handicapped BJJ without live takedowns and takedown defense practice.
Thoughts on Combat Jiu Jitsu? Obviously has gaps e.g. no elbows. BUT palm strikes are sufficient to stop people using positions that can be defeated by punching them in the face!
Thank you for your video. I live in an area where the only reputable school in my area is more sport based, however they do do some practical self defense techniques. What does one due in a situation where someone wants the self defense side of BJJ but only has the sport option available?
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I learn some grappling for combat (outside of BJJ), and one of the main things they teach are spinal locks (neck locks). Come to find out, I learned a can opener and did it on someone in class. I honestly didn't know what I was doing was illegal, because I just started doing BJJ. The multi-striped white belt was very confused and shocked, since he had me in his guard and I subbed him.
The only point I'm trying to make is that he was completely unaware of this technique, because no one had ever done it to him. He's a police officer, though, and I felt like he was grateful that I did something crazy and unexpected because he sees through the sport and wants to learn BJJ for his livelihood and protection. He also didn't know what it was called, but I still apologized to him after learning that it was illegal and WHY it was illegal. I've stopped doing it in class, anyway... not because it's illegal in BJJ, but because I don't want to hurt my training partners.
Hurt your training partners? All they need to do is uncross their guard and relax. Of course, I wouldn’t try to “spring” it on my partner, unless I know for sure he already knows it.
Or is it just me...
Yea I mean... I felt a little bad, but I did do it slowly and deliberately without cranking it too hard. His chin was glued to his chest but I didn't crank it past holding him there.
And like you said, it's not as though it is an uncounterable technique.
i was so amazed that Jeff Monson was dq'd in a match at an old Relson Gracie Classic vs Pe De Pano because Pe De Pano either 1) didn't know the counter or 2) knew it was a disqualifying move and figured he needed to disqualify Monson in order to win.
I'm just happy that the school goes in depth with both self-defense and sport. My school focus heavily on self-defense when you first join and then as you get more experienced. We move into aspects of both. Does that make my school both GJJ and BJJ or just BJJ?
If the self-defense curriculum continues being drilled through out the ranks, then I would say yes.
Yes we continue to implement self-defense curriculum. Thank you for responding.
Hi Professor Young, do you know when variations on the kesa gatame started to be incorporated into the BJJ hierarchy of positions, i.e. side control (i.e. mune gatame) and knee mount (hiza gatame)?
+Izzy Matt not sure. But they’ve been in the universe as long as I’ve been in it.
Judo has grading boards... no one person can give a blackbelt.
in gracie barra here in japan, we do train every class at least one self defence position and dedicate to do learn it certain time of the class , is part of the program , and i heard in here that bbj schools does not teach self defence, only competition oriented , and i think is totally wrong. just comment. cheers from yamanashi japan
Hey Professor Ryan. I'm up here in Federal Way (between Seattle and Tacoma) in Washington state. My son and I have both been training here at Gracie Barra since Jan 2018. I'm wondering if you could tell subscribers whether that school of Jiu-Jitsu is in alignment with Kama on the focus on self defense. I presume the answer is no. I wonder if there are one or more schools up here that focus on self-defense?
I know Gracie North is in Yakima. Is that near you?
How do you tell the difference between both?
For those that have not trained at an old school Jiu Jitsu school, by reading the comments, it is not just what I call the traditional self defense techniques.
It is training to close the distance, and grappling with controlled striking.
To come close to a story by Kron Gracie, he was in a talented Black Belt’s guard in a tournament and got swept, but it really did not matter to him “because the position was not correct. In a real fight he (Kron) would have been punching his opponent in the face.
You have to manage the distance😊
The way you replace belts from other masters/schools is fair, balanced, well thought out, & brilliant!
Common sense says sport & self defense would be based/weighted on different things! I find it hard to understand why people would need to have this explained (although I know people don't get it sadly)
True
I started Gracie Barra first, earned my 4 stripes White Belt. My friend introduced me to Gracie Jiu Jitsu, a month ago. I joined and started all over again :( I do miss the sport side of it because I always got an awesome work out.
I live in the UK and train in BJJ as it’s the only option I have in my city. I would much rather be learning the Rickson style self defence JJ that you practice at Kama JJ. Any advice for someone who only has access to sport oriented BJJ but would much rather be doing GJJ? Does Kama JJ have plans to expand into the UK? BTW love your channel Ryan.
Gracie jiu jitsu has 4 Certified training centers in England. Which focus primarily on self defense. One in Wolverhampton, Watford, Tameside and Stockport. I'm in the states. My son goes to a Gracie CTC here in Orange County. Which is 1/2 hour from Torrance where the head quarters are. My sons teacher who trained under Grand Master Horian Gracie, son of Grand Master and founder Heilio Gracie and now Trains under Rener Gracie, Son of Horian. Runs, along with his brother Ryon, the Gracie University. Purely Self Defense. Go on their website. If there's not one by you. Look on the website for a Gracie garage.
I recently joined Renzo Gracie's Academy and I know his cousin Daniel Gracie teaches some of my classes there. Im new to Jiu Jitsu. I know both Daniel and Renzo have fought mma and in UFC. But I jus wanted your opinion since so much have changed w Self defense Jiu Jitsu and Sport Jiu Jitsu. I primarily join the Renzo Gracie academy for self defense. Kama, if you have the time and is not too much to ask, Can you answer to me if I am in right hands for learning bjj for self defense there?
I’m not sure, but given what Prof Renzo was taught, I have to assume so.
That's why even as practiced as a sport, judo makes more sense for self-defense.
Do both.
I want to learn Judo for self defense not for a sport. I live in the most dangerous part of Dallas an some a lot of guys in the hood take boxing for self defense. How good is sport judo in a street fight with a guy that does boxing. It's useless
@@dejohnnelacy254 you gotta learn boxing too so you are able to clinch without taking damage
@@dejohnnelacy254 if you're worried about boxers in your neighborhood then it sounds like you'd want wrestling before Judo. Grabbing a guy's lapel doesn't seem like a great idea when they can uppercut you into space. If you could shoot for a single/double then at least you'd have a chance taking the boxer to the ground before getting KO'd.
@@274pacific thanks
Sakuraba and Josh Barnett have black belts. They have dominated some of the top BJJ fighters. However, it is Catch Wrestling which is completely different in its concepts, principles, philosophy, methods, and a lot of the techniques. A different art all together.
I wouldn’t say it’s completely different. There’s a lot of overlap. In fact, they are all very related.
Currently a 3 stripe blue belt from a sport academy, sounds like I need to order a blue with a white bar for my Kama JJ online training?
😂
Sometimes I'm inclined to think that people make a great deal more of this question than is necessary. I seriously question the judgment of people who think sport bjj is useless in a streetfight. It may not be as effective as bjj with a self defense focus but anyone who thinks that a person who: A. has 0 training in any fighting art and B. doesnt do any kind of exercise (i.e. the typical person you will get into a fight with) has an advantage over a person who trains in any legitimate fighting art i.e. sport bjj, wrestling, boxing etc. is exercising poor judgment.
Old post but, this doesn't get the difference between mutual combat and self-defense. The typical person you're going to defend your ego from is not the same as the typical violent criminal, who spends a significant amount of time exercising and learning how to stab people. You're exercising poor judgement if you don't learn the reality of violence as opposed to the game of violence played in a ring or on a mat.
@@ScottGarrettDrums criminals don't practice how to hurt people. Have you ever met any 🤣
Ryan - Any chance there will be a Kama JJ school in LA proper in the near future?? We would definitely be interested...
+Michael Tran not a chance... at this point.
That's a serious bummer!
+Michael Tran Yeah, no way to conveniently get out there to run the studio. All of our black belts live in orange county. None of our black belts do this for a living. So running a facility in Los Angeles would be logistically difficult and cost prohibitive.
I was hoping to hear you say that you submitted The Twirler...
(just for twirlin')
Yes...
Maybe you no...
Don’t forget with Renzo Gracie said..
Yeah you think so go try to fight one of those tournament champion see how well you do..
I have someone at the Talon and was training just as hard street may have soft and that’s not usually the case I don’t do tournaments anymore I like street but it also is true and I said
Hey Ryan another great video. I have a question about a jiu-jitsu school near me, I don’t know if you know about clubs in the uk but I was thinking of club called Gracie Barra in Bristol do you know of them and are they more self defence orientated or more competition based? Much respect.
Cannot say that I do know.
Ok thanks, all the best
Shane, id love to know this too....been a white belt for 3 months at a BJJ gym, but wondering if the local Gracie Barra might be more defence oriented.
Let me know if you find out please.
You can also win by choke or armbar in Judo.
Great video as always. A couple of quick questions my friend if you do not mind.
My martial art school has a BJJ black belt (with a couple of Brown Belts) and we are a Pedro Sauer affiliate. We also do CSW at my school. But, my school's specialty is in a couple of striking arts that I started training there for. I love the striking arts that we teach, and that is where I prefer to spend my time. Unfortunately, while I grapple at my university with some GJJ purple belts when I return to my academy at the beginning of the year I will have some decisions to make. I know I need more time grappling to become more comfortable with it and I do enjoy it, but the time periods we offer Jiu Jitsu and CSW are times I would have to make a choice to not study an art I prefer. (Please keep in mind, this is just personal preference, but I love learning everything.) My thoughts have been to look into taking morning classes at another school for Bjj, as it wouldn't effect my work schedule or other martial arts training. Im not looking at being a competitor, I am strictly looking for growing my self defense repetoir. I wouldn't be opposed to tournaments, but that is not my focus. My question is two-fold, should I train BJJ (or CSW) at my current school even if it will hinder me progressing in another martial art, (2x a week, which feels like not enough time), or train in the mornings at another school?
Now the second part of that question is where I really need the help. If I train at the other school, I am unsure if I will learn what I am wanting. I live in ATL, and the other school is the Alliance Headquarters. I am aware of their tournament reputation, but are you aware if Jacare teaches self defense as well? I will check out the academy, to see if it fits for me as an individual (like I would with any other school), but before I walk in, I would love to know your impression of the Alliance team. What really makes me hesitent with my current school are the following: we are an affiliate, the time slots, and not often enough training. I feel like if I want to put the time into grappling (which does take time) I will need to sacrifice something.
What is your initial recommendation, as someone who is much more familiar with jiujitsu community than I?
Thank you for your time in my long winded comment.
-Cody C.
+Cody Cannon Master Jacare is the last Rolls Gracie black belt. He knows the GJJ fight game as well as anyone. See if he can teach you the old school stuff if his black belts there don’t teach it, perhaps?
Kama Jiu-Jitsu thank you very much. Win I visit them in January, I will be sure to ask them at Alliance. Thank you very much! That gives me some hope.
Kama Jiu-Jitsu I train at Marcio Stambowsky's (Rolls Gracie Black Belt) in Norwalk, Con. I am grateful I am getting "old school" tutelage. We do a lot of stand up, take downs and self defense.
Duncan Sutherland that makes me glad to hear as well. I am hoping when I check the school out, I see a similar situation from Master Jacare. Sounds like you have a fantastic instructor and school.
+Duncan Sutherland I hope to meet Master Marcio one of these days!
Any self defence Jiu-Jitsu in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Malaysia you’d recommend? Any Kama affiliates?
No KJJ affiliates out there...
Yet.
Dont be lied to!!!
There is a difference between self defence and MMA... one is a sport one is LARPing
I think sport jiujitsu/competitive jiujitsu is great and of course the self defense aspect of it is fantastic too. Yes, we should make a distinction but there is a ton of overlap. In fact the intensity of competition training can definitely build confidence in your already existing self defense bjj modalities. No I do not think it is great to butt flop eg. the Miyao brothers, but I also remember Royler doing that exact thing when he fought Sakuraba. Yes... we should for sure be focusing on takedowns as bjj practitioners. Cross training in Judo and wrestling is a fantastic asset. I guess my opinion is that we should be mindful and training the basics, self defense etc but also see the value of sport jiujitsu. They can both coexist and should coexist. I think EBI's combat jiujitsu rule set lends itself to both. I guess I just don't want to see this "us vs them" mindset will just draw unnecessary lines in the sand in our community. On that note, it is my belief that every school should be teaching self defense and competition techniques side by side.
I know sakuraba got an honorary black belt, but I'm not sure if you're referring to someone else.
Nope.
Kama Jiu-Jitsu A little late to the conversation, but correct me if I'm wrong, you mentioned in a self defense situation, you would rather be trained in GJJ over judo and sport BJJ. However, as you have discussed in the video, judo competition are highly skewed towards throwing opponent to the ground (which is what you want in a street fight) rather than having a good ground game (àla GJJ). So why GJJ and not Judo is preferred ?? Not saying Judo is better or anything, just considering this issue from a practical standpoint. In a self-defense situation, ideally I want my opponent to be on the ground not myself.
Join in the convo anytime!
While I personally would prefer judo to today’s sport BJJ, I feel GJJ has a more “rounded” skill/mental approach than either. One (judo) focuses way more on the takedown, while the other (sport BJJ) focuses way more on the groundwork. True GJJ places a greater importance on a more balanced approach than either. My (Ryan’s) 2 cents (others’ opinions will likely differ).
IMO a competition-worthy ippon doesn't end a street fight (unless you throw on their head; in which case, enjoy your jail sentence). Like "OK I got tripped; guess I'll just *get up* now." But choking someone unconscious doesn't have that ambiguity.
22:10 *he starts TWIRLING on me!* 😂😂😂😂😂😂 ... 22:28 *buyer beware!!*
I thought you can't give out belts until either a) an associate professor validates your student, as having the skills necessary for promotion, or, b) a full professor decides on whether or not the skills meet the criteria.
that ufc fighter must be Josh Barnett , he got his black belt from Erik Paulson ( Student of Rigan Machado ) because Josh wanted to compete on a black belt gi tournament , so that's how he got it . Josh is a phenomenal grappler who is catch wrestling based .
It was Matt Hughes after he beat Royce
I train at a sport based bjj school in my city. There is no self defense based (GJJ) school here so I have partners at home I train w using Gracie dvds and book. I test some of the techniques when I roll in class and they’re effective.Would it be wrong for me to introduce these techniques to students in class or am I supposed to be certified somehow?
+78chavez if your Instructor is cool with it, why not? Your instructor may not know them, to be honest.
Basically I'm exactly in the same situation. All the academies in my city are mainly focused to sport and not Self Defense. I would love if my instructor is willing to let us train a little bit with self defense drills, even these come from a DVD or a book.
I live is San antonio TX and I am at a Japanese Jujutsu dojo that is better than most of the bjj dojos here because it is self defense, but it is not solely self defense. My teacher doesn't want people getting hurt so his program is mainly a lot like sport when rolling. I picked a student up the other day and bumped him to let him know, and he goes, "are you trying to slam me or something?" In my mind I'm like, you would have been screwed trying to hang onto that lock man. I need to find a good strictly self defense Jiu jitsu dojo in my area but dont have time to visit dojos or research. Does anyone have any suggestions? Anyone live in S.A. and train strictly self defense?
All things go in circles. Judo becomes sport oriented and spawns Gracie jujitsu. Gracie jujitsu add pawns bjj which becomes sport oriented. Agree totally that coaches should not claim self-defense unless they devote descrete instruction time to self-defense.
What if you want both the self defense and competition?
We have been doing just that lately.
Just like we did 25 yrs ago.
Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu, was used to create Aikido,judo, jiujitsu,and The all famous Gracie jiujitsu,.......words to live by,.... I'm 3rd degree Black belt. Aikijujutsu......
Your so full of shit the lineage of GJJ/BJJ goes back to NEWAZA/Judo . Akido is cute and by looking at u your full of shit
The schism between "traditional" and "sport" jiu-jitsu continues to grow. I've always been of the opinion that one should know the basics, but to not grow stagnant. Blue and purple belts are going to experiment with different moves and guards to customize their game. I do this as do most of the blue and purple belts I know. Still, I know the basic sweeps, counters and escapes.
Now there is a major issue when an instructor is teaching white belts 50/50 and berimbolo, but they don't know how to escape a headlock or side control.
+cabalofdemons me personally, I don’t believe blue and purple belts are able to “customize their game(s).” They don’t typically know enough to take on that task. Just my opinion.
That's why it's experimenting with different moves, guards, etc. I shouldn't say "customize" as it probably denotes a level of expertise. However, as a blue belt, I'm interested in X-guard, DLR, and the like because I want to have an advantage on my opponent. That doesn't mean I'm going to discard a scissor sweep or hip bump. However, I think it's potentially damaging to not learn new moves or know how to do them because it's not "traditional." What was once new becomes old, and now de la riva guard is considered "old school" by some.
+cabalofdemons most of the time, using those techniques presents absolutely no advantage. Spend your time on a quest to getting your escapes, position holding, and chokes up to a level above all your peers instead.
My 2 cents (if it’s even worth that much).
"the old, the new, this is a matter of time" Master Funakoshi
+Kama JJ - - who is that old school black belt that uses only one guard pass? You mentioned him in another video.
I have a question, whats is better for self defense, Krav Maga or Gracie Jiu Jitsu?? And why?
So far Krav Maga doesn’t have too many real trainers in the US, and there’s many fakes out there. Gracie Jiu-Jitsu has many real instructors who comes from legitimate backgrounds. You can at least know a GJJ school can be fact checked and has a real background while Krav Maga isn’t that easy to verify. - Rusty
Do you know where to learn self defense BJJ in new york city?
Michael Casey’s place?
Would Greco-Roman or Judo throws be considered a slam under those rules?
+ppkrex I don’t think so. I love those throws, btw.
Which self defense jiu jitsu school would you recommend in San Diego, California?
+Fontus Home there are a ton there, but the only one I know out there is Fabio Santos. I hear Royler Gracie lives in San Diego now, as well.
Thanks Ryan - I actually signed up at Roylers academy here, it seemed to be the most self-defense focused in the area, but was wondering if there were any others. I researched on forums and visited different academies for weeks, many of the sport jiu jitsu academies told me their bjj is applicable for self defense. Thanks for making this video and hope to see more self-defense coming back into the art.
Nothing wrong with sport as the fundamental principles for self defense are still there. An individual just needs to be able to change their mindset from the rules of the sport, to no holds barred for self defense.
You fight like you train.
Fortunately, most people don't train.
In your opinion, are there any good self-defense Jujitsu schools in Knoxville, TN?
Chris Vandergriff I’m sure there are. I don’t know if any off the top of my head, though.
Kama Jiu-Jitsu
Thank you all the same.
The information in the video has really made me concerned about the schools that I was looking into for training.
The main two were
Samuel Braga of Gracie Barra
and
Laban Propst of Lucas Lepri of Alliance
I still don't understand why gouging the trachea with thumb or finger in class while rolling isn't allowed. It's not lethal. It's an effective choke y escape to set up other attacks and it's important to train defense against it cause it's what people do in a real fight. It's my favorite attack but it's not allowed in class. Why not?
Jiu-Jitsu should primarily be a self-defense system, because the sport is slowly destroying the essence of the art. The sport is to real Jiu-Jitsu what bodybuilding is to strength. Do you want non-functional muscles to show on the beach, or do you want muscles as a consequence of strength and athleticism? It's very sad when someone is a black belt in Jiu-jitsu and can´t fight for his life.
So people like keenan cornelius, mendes bros etc would get their asses kicked?
He's not pointing his finger at specific fighters or black belts, he's comparing sport bjj to traditional self defense bjj, which is gjj.
+D M then you don’t know traditional Gracie Jiu-Jitsu.
try the traditional GJJ and see where/how the differences/similarities with judo are.
you know, GM Rickson earned a black belt in Judo. that definitely helped him further develop his "base" concept. also, i suspect there is also a lot of kuzushi theory in his invisible jiu-jitsu as well (because after all, THE 10th Dan Mifune, was a little guy but was able to throw much larger guys like they were children). lastly, look at the Camarillo Brothers (Dave and Dan). they came into jiu-jitsu as national level judo competitors and have completely rounded out their games by integrating the two arts. my thoughts are that all Rickson and the Camarillo Brothers are doing is simply getting back toward the original art Maeda did. In fact, Kama Jiu-Jitsu's DFW campus will be adding judo classes twice a week beginning next month.
I live where they only teach BJJ; but, I want the self-defense GJJ/other. I have no other option. Should I at least do BJJ?
Sure thing!
Bjj and gjj are the same thing but sometimes with different objectives. You can do some self defense stuff in your own time.
Im sure guys like Keenan Cornelius and Ryan Hall would still beat 95% of guys on the street. They just wouldn’t pull guard or use leg locks. It’s not hard to simplify your jiujitsu to where it is effective on the streets
How can i learn both BJJ self defense and Competition?
learn the traditional.
Not an expert, but it seems that all Self Defense techniques apply to Sport but not all Sport applies to Self Defense.
10th planet has split as well because of sub only they are people who no longer pay attention to protection from mma strikes even though that was the origin.
+DorjeDriftwood everyone is specializing based on their preferred competition venue.
Rener and Ryron teach nothing but self defense to their white belts. They went back to their roots...Helio. Jits vs Jits comes at blue belt
I wonder why is Kama jiujitsu so different from other BJJ? I wonder what techniques are different from sport Jiu-Jitsu or other Jiu-Jitsu?
RIckson's Jiu-Jitsu is so SO different. Kama takes no credit but we are fortunate to have had the opportunity to learn it (and continue learning it).
Main thing is it accounts for strikes.untrained guys will predominantly swing for your head or do side deadlocks,be prepared for that level of aggression. Also you need to be able to close gap ,clinch and takedown.
many ppl forget bjj is a martial art first above all else.
Osianders video on berimbolo tells it all!
+Oreo Carlton got a link?
seatbelt...
czcams.com/video/cdrhBZ_c2Dk/video.html
While I understand there is a difference between sport jiu jitsu and self defense jiu jitsu in that you are trying to get in positions that are better for avoiding being struck, I can't help but argue for the effectiveness of some jiu jitsu moves you would consider sport jiu jitsu most likely. I feel that if Gordon Ryan was getting attacked on the streets and began working a leglock on his attacker he would be able to effectively defend himself with moves that are certainly more sport jiu jitsu than "traditional self defense jiu jitsu". I definitely understand you shouldn't be doing berimbolos, kneebars, jumping guard or flying triangles in a street fight.
I guess I kinda answered my own question while asking it, there are sport moves that are effective in self defense but the style must be different unless you enjoy getting head kicked while you berimbolo.
Neighbors and leg locks are cool. However, sometimes the entry into them means you may not have control over his torso. Sometimes, not having control over your opponents torso can be a really bad thing.