What the NUC Kind of Cluster is This???

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  • @jcugnoni
    @jcugnoni Před 8 měsíci +56

    Reminds my several 'Beowulf' clusters for scientific computation that I built 10+ years ago by stacking miniITX small for factor I5-3450s (4core 16Gb ram each) and hooked them to a gigabit switch. Node0 was running Ubuntu with storage pools, management tools and the other nodes were booting by tftp with all the files hosted node0. DRBL linux package was handling the whole boot, os config of the nodes, network mounts magically. This cluster has served us well for dynamic fluid/structure simulation using MPI for more than 7 years and was totally unbeatable in perf/dollar. Maybe I could do that with those mini pcs. With the current CPU perf / watt and core count this ciuld be great..

    • @ktfjulien
      @ktfjulien Před 8 měsíci +5

      @Wendell TRY THIS ^^ !!

    • @DigitalJedi
      @DigitalJedi Před 8 měsíci +3

      I used to have a single big box with a 6800K and dual Titan Xps for simulations, but I remember the computer science lab in my university having a stack of 1L office PCs with i5 3450Ts. IIRC there were 3 stacks of 6 each for 18 nodes or 72 CPU cores and a combined 144GB of RAM. It was really funny hearing them all spool up their fans. You could tell how hard somebody was hitting them by how many of them spun up.

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae Před 8 měsíci +1

      At some point HP released Open Single System Image (openSSI) Linux Cluster Project, which was also kind of interesting, but sadly didn't seem to go anywhere.

  • @bosstowndynamics5488
    @bosstowndynamics5488 Před 8 měsíci +18

    I'd love to see some more stuff specifically on hyperconvergence itself, what software supports it (XCP, Proxmox, eventually TrueNAS etc), how to use it, when to use it and maybe even using it with mixed hardware setups for the homelabber with a need for more PCIe lanes than these mini PCs can provide.

  • @AlexSchendel
    @AlexSchendel Před 8 měsíci +66

    I personally would love to see more Thunderbolt (or USB4 for that matter) adoption in desktop motherboards.

    • @tames307
      @tames307 Před 8 měsíci +8

      Thunderbolt adoption was slowed by Intel's exclusive-use deal with Apple when it was first released. I'm surprised that it hasn't taken off since then.

    • @StaySic4Ever
      @StaySic4Ever Před 8 měsíci +2

      Yeah lack of USB4 even on expensive boards is simply horrible, to add just regular type-C adoption is also horrible, everyone slacking.

    • @Decenium
      @Decenium Před 8 měsíci

      ehhh idk, we are using docks these days at work for employees with their usb C connection points and honestly... I thought usb C was suppose to last long but it kinda sucks, they become so weak, never had that with usb A or B.

    • @potatoes5829
      @potatoes5829 Před 8 měsíci

      @@Decenium agree, had a couple usbc ports bend in ways usba never would

  • @echtogammut
    @echtogammut Před 8 měsíci +8

    I bought my mother one of the MinisForum "game" PC's to replace the MicroITX computer I built her a couple years back. For the money, I couldn't build something better and certainly not as small. I was really impressed with the little thing.

    • @prashanthb6521
      @prashanthb6521 Před 8 měsíci +1

      When it breaks you cant even run around to get replacement parts. While a desktop computer can be repaired easily and cheaply.

  • @Foiliagegaming
    @Foiliagegaming Před 8 měsíci +2

    I’m in the process of building a new lab and I have been struggling on what to get. This has helped me a bit. Thank Level1techs!

  • @bcredeur97
    @bcredeur97 Před 8 měsíci +17

    I had no idea thunderbolt could be used for networking like this. This is genius!

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae Před 8 měsíci +1

      USB also supports networking as does Bluetooth.

    • @physx_yt1062
      @physx_yt1062 Před 8 měsíci

      @@autohmae How would you use USB?

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae Před 8 měsíci

      @@physx_yt1062 for this application ? I wouldn't maybe USB4 is good enough. Just saying that all of them have IP support.

    • @lunalucadou877
      @lunalucadou877 Před 8 měsíci

      It feels like the logical endpoint of Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt is PCIe, which is basically a packet-switched network, so why not use it as the carrier for another packet-switched network (IP)?

  • @upgrayedd251
    @upgrayedd251 Před 8 měsíci

    So happy to see another happy outcome! Your hard work is making a difference!

  • @LampJustin
    @LampJustin Před 8 měsíci +5

    Yeah, the video I've been waiting for ever since NUCs popped with two TB3 interfaces 😊🎉 Real sad, that the latency is that high though. That makes it totally unusable for replicated storage...

  • @lostphotographs3936
    @lostphotographs3936 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Wendel looking good Sir! Great content from the team. 2.5 G in a NUC is a win.

  • @Warrigt
    @Warrigt Před 4 měsíci +1

    Useful info amongst the rambling

  • @benjamintrathen6119
    @benjamintrathen6119 Před 8 měsíci

    Yay finally the NUC cluster, I have been looking forward to this since you mentioned in another video

  • @mikegrok
    @mikegrok Před 8 měsíci

    I have a Genoa 9124 with an air cooler. After boot is is actually very quiet. The cpu has a max power of 200 watts, but the chip area is enormous, so it has no trouble getting rid of the heat.

  • @physx_yt1062
    @physx_yt1062 Před 8 měsíci +1

    That's pretty cool, no added power consumption and heat from extra networking cards and for a cluster like this, the limit on the cable length is not an issue.
    I would be interested in the possibility of using a thunderbolt 4 hub to take all of this to the next level, but that would add cost and complexity and I suspect that a hub wouldn't work with multiple hosts in the first place, as that's not what it was designed for.

  • @alexlovett1991
    @alexlovett1991 Před 8 měsíci +5

    Love this stuff, I looked into it a while ago but with IP over USB3 which is a very accessible connector (a lot of homelabbers don’t have modern thunderbolt systems but old laptops / mini pcs).
    Would love to see if that’s possible (haven’t got round to trying it myself).

  • @marcin_karwinski
    @marcin_karwinski Před 8 měsíci +1

    Great thing for a K3OS or similar Kubernetes cluster on bare metal OS...

  • @GabrielFoote
    @GabrielFoote Před 8 měsíci +2

    That in inconsistent ping is um... concerning

  • @MarkRose1337
    @MarkRose1337 Před 8 měsíci +4

    In the days of old, I ran a NUC
    Now I'll need at least 3 those when I muck
    Cause I do a ping-NUC 1, NUC 2
    Then I save a NUC for when there's nothin' else to do

  • @MyAJVideo
    @MyAJVideo Před 8 měsíci +2

    FYI old lenovo micro pcs have PCI so you could add a network card :D

  • @TechnoTim
    @TechnoTim Před 8 měsíci +1

    Cattle not pets! Build availability into the solution, not into each device! Love it!

  • @benjamintrathen6119
    @benjamintrathen6119 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I have often wondered why there is no daisy chain cable? For nucs with only 1 thunderbolt port this would be nice.

  • @Jango1989
    @Jango1989 Před 8 měsíci

    Love this!

  • @WilReid
    @WilReid Před 8 měsíci

    I wonder, and I know it sounds crazy, if introducing a TB to PCIe chassis with a proper NIC would work better or just increase the latency and overhead. It could show if it's the interface or entirely the driver.

  • @chrisg9215
    @chrisg9215 Před 8 měsíci

    Also is the ping introducing significantl latency that manifests when using the cluster? I need to do more home labbing....

  • @BryceDearden
    @BryceDearden Před 8 měsíci +1

    If you only end up getting about 10Gb anyway you could use that GoWin R86 that has two 10 gig SFP cages on it already.

  • @boydfields
    @boydfields Před 8 měsíci

    You're just great!

  • @djstraussp
    @djstraussp Před 6 měsíci

    Nice idea for 5 node lenovo m90q mini cluste, but using 10gb and no switch. This could save a lot of money. I think this could be done on plain ethernet NICs.

  • @VideogamesAsArt
    @VideogamesAsArt Před 7 měsíci

    This is incredibly cool

  • @gustersongusterson4120
    @gustersongusterson4120 Před 8 měsíci +6

    In my opinion/experience, thunderbolt was a promise never even close to being realised. I'd avoid the headache personally. Maybe more mini pcs will start being designed with SFP ports which are slower but without the bs.

    • @RyTrapp0
      @RyTrapp0 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Like so many Intel developments over the last decade or so

  • @WarkWarbly
    @WarkWarbly Před 8 měsíci

    Is there an active occulink m.2 card that would work with this kind of stuff?

  • @feralshad0w
    @feralshad0w Před 8 měsíci

    How does the ngenius system compare to the Linksys omada?

  • @jonny393
    @jonny393 Před 8 měsíci +2

    not been here for...a year, maybe two...
    What happened you look good man!

    • @DarkShadowReign
      @DarkShadowReign Před 8 měsíci

      He got bit by a tick and got sick and had to change his diet.

  • @LeminskiTankscor
    @LeminskiTankscor Před 8 měsíci +1

    Oh I'm not sure. It sounds like a setup for a complete Clusternuc to me.

  • @ewenchan1239
    @ewenchan1239 Před 8 měsíci

    Silly question - how do you install a PCIe 3.0 x16 card into any one of these mini PCs???

  • @ChrisOfSDUB
    @ChrisOfSDUB Před 8 měsíci +2

    Now do it with firewire

  • @mikedeath7333
    @mikedeath7333 Před 8 měsíci

    1tb of cache? would that help an os #3d cache clockfriquency issues(handler prioraty)?

  • @Toddimus831
    @Toddimus831 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Would this work with USB3.2 (gen2x2,or whatever the 20Gbit version is called)? Even if it’s not explicitly called Thunderbolt? I’m assuming it would definitely work with USB4.

    • @rpm10k.
      @rpm10k. Před 7 měsíci

      Thunderbolt is not USB.

  • @DavidAshwell
    @DavidAshwell Před 8 měsíci

    "Soon" showed up!

  • @SaltCollecta
    @SaltCollecta Před 8 měsíci

    The Minis Forum Quorum 🥳

  • @ahyi9350
    @ahyi9350 Před 5 měsíci

    While running this in cluster with 2.5gbps, doesnt it get slow?

  • @OCONTECH
    @OCONTECH Před 8 měsíci +1

    400,000K SUBSCRIBERS WELL DONE TEAM @ LEVEL 1

  • @Gerben_Meijer
    @Gerben_Meijer Před 8 měsíci

    How about bridging the thunderbolt interfaces on each nuc, and running spanning tree. Now you have a flat br-thunderbolt network with just one ip per nuc.

    • @0LoneTech
      @0LoneTech Před 8 měsíci +1

      Spanning tree protocol essentially works by logically cutting links until the network has no loops. You'd end up with one node handling all the traffic between the others, even though they have a direct link going unused. That also adds the full latency to all the forwarded traffic. Running one IP per NUC is fine, as long as the routing is correct (multipath for redundancy).

  • @mikedeath7333
    @mikedeath7333 Před 8 měsíci +1

    ask eta about the gamecube and think makita toolbox plz and Thank you

  • @kevinclark1466
    @kevinclark1466 Před 8 měsíci

    Can this work with USB4?

  • @MarkRose1337
    @MarkRose1337 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I''m surprised this wasn't on the Linux channel

    • @CataclysmZA
      @CataclysmZA Před 8 měsíci +3

      Level1Linux probably does not have the algorithmic reach that the main channel does, so this will do better here.

  • @LA-MJ
    @LA-MJ Před 8 měsíci

    What I am hearing instead is don't bother with TB networking unless you have nothing above 2.5Gbps

  • @jyvben1520
    @jyvben1520 Před 8 měsíci

    or go retro, use firewire (400/800) was faster than (in theory) than 100Mb, but also only point to point.

  • @grantwiersum7394
    @grantwiersum7394 Před 8 měsíci

    The Jetson nanos can be clustered together to build a mini gpu cluster. Beastly for inference and more than capable for training small NNs.
    I've toyed with the idea of building a luggable/cyberdeck with 5 nodes and an ebike battery in a briefcase.

  • @chrisg9215
    @chrisg9215 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I'd leave a positive comment but I'm all outta sorts without my morning new... Links with friend sharing...... I agree with guy who said we need Krista to fill in with Wandall and Ryu puppets....

  • @buk0wski
    @buk0wski Před 8 měsíci +7

    I think I may have missed it, but what's with those ridiculous pings (on a local network??). Is this just a poorly written driver?

    • @AzureFlash
      @AzureFlash Před 8 měsíci +2

      15:57

    • @kiiverkk
      @kiiverkk Před 8 měsíci

      Similar things happen sometimes with regular 10Gbit LAN also, don't remember exactly what fixed it last time but when idle like only pinging then also huge ping times, but when doing iperf all is fine. In my case the problem was between one Linux and one Windows machine.

  • @TheExard3k
    @TheExard3k Před 6 měsíci

    Those latencies (ping) is unacceptable for using Ceph. That's worse than a WAN connection. Sequential transfers should be fine, but for clustering, that's a no go :(

  • @OGSkumse
    @OGSkumse Před 8 měsíci

    So basically iSCSI, but with extra caveats? :D

  • @awetisimgaming7473
    @awetisimgaming7473 Před 8 měsíci

    I would actually like to put 8 orange pi 5s in my system that has a 7950x, and I'm wondering how easy this setup is gonna be with the way people talk about it. This seems somewhat daunting, and I may also opt to use the m.2 slots for interfacing instead of type c or on board ethernet

  • @FrenziedManbeast
    @FrenziedManbeast Před 8 měsíci +1

    What's my lowest-wattage and cheapest cost to having a home machine with: ECC RAM, 10GbE, Intel Quick Sync, and at least six cores/12 threads?

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Před 8 měsíci +1

      still pretty high, you are looking at Xeon D boards

    • @FrenziedManbeast
      @FrenziedManbeast Před 8 měsíci

      The Xeon chips aren't APUs too, right? So I'd need an Intel GPU w/ Quick Sync support as well? Seems like a lot of PCIe connectivity to give up just to gain Quick Sync, that's a shame.

    • @bosstowndynamics5488
      @bosstowndynamics5488 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@FrenziedManbeastIntel does make some consumer chips with ECC but you'll probably not get 6 hyperthreaded cores (they only do this on low end chips where there's no competing Xeon), so you'll need to decide if 4 high performance cores will do compared to say 6 older generation, more power hungry cores.
      Do you need QuickSync specifically though, or just hardware accelerated encoding? Because AMD's 7000 series will run really efficiently when underclocked slightly, is readily available in 6 core configurations for *relatively* cheap, they all support ECC and have onboard GPUs so they *should* be able to do hardware encode (do double check this first but as long as the encoders are there AMD GPUs are generally well supported on Linux).

    • @FrenziedManbeast
      @FrenziedManbeast Před 8 měsíci

      @@bosstowndynamics5488 I should have specified that I'm looking for fully Registered ECC. I'm still curious as to what the lowest Watt + lowest cost solution would be. I understand that many consumer CPUs support ECC on the data sheet, but finding motherboards with support for Registered ECC for those chips seems...difficult? Impossible?

    • @MarkRose1337
      @MarkRose1337 Před 8 měsíci

      Many i3s support ECC RAM.

  • @samiraperi467
    @samiraperi467 Před 8 měsíci +1

    ClusterNUC.

  • @mikedeath7333
    @mikedeath7333 Před 8 měsíci

    Bisides solar bitflips cancer is the main catalyst

  • @noname-vl6vy
    @noname-vl6vy Před 8 měsíci

    can you do 5 node on that setup? please?

    • @CataclysmZA
      @CataclysmZA Před 8 měsíci

      Three node is a practical limitation because there aren't enough Thunderbolt ports available.

    • @0LoneTech
      @0LoneTech Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@CataclysmZA Only for full interconnection. You can still run a ring topology with two paths between any nodes, though forwarding through networks with this poor performance isn't going to be fun.

  • @microcolonel
    @microcolonel Před 8 měsíci

    Now that intel is discontinuing NUC... do we now call them PUC?

  • @caseykreicar
    @caseykreicar Před 8 měsíci

    what the NUC?!?

  • @shambleslongplay3566
    @shambleslongplay3566 Před 8 měsíci

    Why no level 1 news.. I mean level 1 sharing links with friends??

  • @erk5243
    @erk5243 Před 8 měsíci

    DeeeZ NUCz

  • @mikedeath7333
    @mikedeath7333 Před 8 měsíci

    3d vcache vgpio? pathrought? think capturecard but quantom arm meets x86 #northbrydge (threadripper ipad pro brydge keys?

  • @tommybronze3451
    @tommybronze3451 Před 8 měsíci

    We still have a situation where a low cost nvme will saturate ethernet socket becuase those mini pc's insist on not using 10gbe :/

  • @shlorn
    @shlorn Před 4 měsíci

    Anyone actually run iperf or netperf over a thunderbolt-net interface like this? In order to do highspeed ethernet a lot of driver/sw tricks and hw offloads are needed to run ethernet efficiently and im not sure if just raw thunderbolt is enough but maybe it is

  • @greygag36
    @greygag36 Před 8 měsíci

    Couldn't you bridge the interfaces and assign an IP so it's the same IP space. Simpler config with the same design.

  • @gillianseed4419
    @gillianseed4419 Před 8 měsíci

    software networking, I mean it can work but its gonna suck down half your cpu cycles and run half the speed

  • @mikedeath7333
    @mikedeath7333 Před 8 měsíci

    what is death? a blesing

  • @mikedeath7333
    @mikedeath7333 Před 8 měsíci

    Pcie turning pi 2

  • @ShroomheadOne
    @ShroomheadOne Před 8 měsíci

    This video title is far cleverer than it has any right to be.

  • @zushiba
    @zushiba Před 8 měsíci +19

    First, I finally got some internet points!

    • @cairath
      @cairath Před 8 měsíci +1

      Cheers ;)

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Před 8 měsíci +2

      all the points, give them to him/her/they/it

    • @V1N_574
      @V1N_574 Před 8 měsíci

      I just imagine youtube sending firsts certificate

  • @haakoflo
    @haakoflo Před 8 měsíci +4

    So out of the box we get 1Gb and 100ms ping? Or we could use the 2 2.5Gb interfaces for 5Gb aggregate, and 0.1ms ping?

    • @snowwsquire
      @snowwsquire Před 8 měsíci

      2x10gigabit for a little setup when you first get the nucs vs 2x2.5gigabit oob is an easy choice for me, that 10gigabit is gonna be much better for me

    • @marcogenovesi8570
      @marcogenovesi8570 Před 8 měsíci +2

      If you are not using the thunderbolt it's not worth the 100-150$ markup over similar devices without thundetbolt.
      Also if you use both ethernet ports to do this then what network interface is used to talk to the outside world?

    • @tcnymex
      @tcnymex Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@marcogenovesi8570 perhaps talk to the outside world vua a wifi card in a slot where a 2nd ssd would normally go

  • @mikedeath7333
    @mikedeath7333 Před 8 měsíci

    1tb virus or "Ai" xD #uranium forge eeprom updater

  • @midnightlaundry2800
    @midnightlaundry2800 Před 8 měsíci

    Any dude in I.T. named Wendell has to be the man! LOL

  • @mikedeath7333
    @mikedeath7333 Před 8 měsíci

    risc-v cores can run an os at 1mhz zo can i volt it up to like 120dc and have the chassis run on 24v #capasotor pack+ discharge tool arcing prev.

  • @mrfilipelaureanoaguiar
    @mrfilipelaureanoaguiar Před 8 měsíci

    You don't want with low security thunderbolt an hacker to use it and overheat until it catch fire😁

  • @crlshn
    @crlshn Před 8 měsíci

    Jajajaja thunderbolt en linux y con AMD or nvidia hahahahade, please don't. Yet. Early adopted back & no Bueno

  • @mikedeath7333
    @mikedeath7333 Před 8 měsíci

    Escape from tarkov cheatercard fixes vigpo?

  • @brianhansen2202
    @brianhansen2202 Před 8 měsíci

    I wish this guy would learn, that the background music is very annoing... Otherwise, I love his videos.
    I'm not interested in music, when watching computer-videos, and when I want music, I prefer to choose it myself