Fishing Dry Dropper on a Euro Nymphing Leader
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2022
- As many anglers have realized over the last few years, Euro nymphing is an incredibly effective method for catching trout in a variety of water. However, it still has its limitations. There are times when fishing a dry dropper or an indicator can be more effective. In this video, I talk about five situations when I like to switch to a dry dropper on my Euro nymphing leader. I also cover a bit about rigging and then I put it into practice on two sections of river with varying water types. Thanks for your support of our channel and our store at www.tacticalflyfisher.com
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Great video on a subject I am sorely lacking in. And what a beautiful stream to finish on!
Bouncing caddis is the coolest thing iv learned all week! Thanks for the rig💯
Thank you for an awesome video of this important technique, brilliantly put together 🙏
Thanks Fred!
The Birds Eye view is awesome! Thanks for another great video Devin
Glad you enjoyed it. Thankfully there is a nice cliff there that Kramer was able to film from.
That was a great dry-dropper video, thank you,
MSG Leum
Thanks. Hopefully it helps you on the water.
I'm glad I found this video. Outstanding information.
Glad you enjoyed it
Glad I found your channel Cory haven’t started yet just getting a lot of information just trying to figure out leader and tips I have some time I will figure it out thanks again Cory
Sorry Devin got confused on video I do apologize like I said I am glad i found your channel and keep watching your awesome 👍
Loved it! Big fan of these videos wherw you cover the theory and then walk through some pools
Especially love these videos over the winter as my season comes to a close here
Thanks Kristian!
Love the hat. Thanks for signing mine. I've gone back to three restaurants after leaving it behind. Really appreciate the videos. See you around.
HaHa! Glad you haven't left it permanently yet.
I can't get over how pretty those last rainbows were; wow !
They have some stunning colors in that canyon.
Learned so much! Thank you!
I'm glad it helped.
Thank you for the video Devin. My local river here in Ireland goes from flat calm and deep to fast shallow water so this will really help being able to use my euro rod and leader for both methods instead of having two rods
Hopefully you'll find the method useful.
Great video. That carp looked beautiful. Quite a skill to get it out on 6x 👏👏
I certainly wouldn't go out targeting carp on that rig but if one is going to eat I'm happy to give it a go!
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 thats all understood... But still... Great catch 🍺
@@Oholisfliesandfishing Thanks! I got a good laugh out of it.
Great video, thanks. I’d be interested in seeing how you execute the bouncing caddis technique that you mentioned at the beginning.
Hi Joe, we did actually take some footage of it which hopefully we can release at some point, but our time available to fish didn't coincide with conditions making it productive, i.e. lower light conditions and/or a caddis hatch. It is a fairly simple technique though, you just tie your dry fly to the dropper tag, then, using the nymph as an anchor, you just lift and drop the dry onto and off of the surface of the water. If you observe egg laying caddis as they bounce up and down on the water, you will get an idea of the presentation you are attempting to mimic. It's not necessarily a technique to use all the time, but when the conditions are right and the fish are expecting that kind of surface activity it can be a lot of fun and the takes can be impressive. -Kramer
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 got it, thanks. I’ve skated caddis in the past during hatches, that’s been effective. I like the idea of being able to lift and drop, that seems an even more realistic imitation of an egg-laying caddis.
Thank you for another great video and the carp was awesome! Curious what material you used for the worm? Didn't look like squirmy or regular chenille material. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it. I call that pattern the DNA worm. I’ll be doing a tutorial on it later this fall.
14:30 I love it! Carp fishing with 6x tippet. Ha ha...
It certainly wasn’t the target species but I’m happy to fight them if they want to eat 😊
Great video! I would love to see an honest review of the Diamondback. Ive been debating the purchase of the 10’10 2wt and the Ideal Nymph Reel. Any thoughts?
Take a look at my comments on each model under the product description on our website. www.tacticalflyfisher.com/diamondback-ideal-nymph-fly-rod/
Let me know if you have any other questions. In short, the rod is very good, especially for the price. The reel is also very good.
Thanks Devin! We all got to watch you catch your first carp on a dry dropper ,great fun! When I’m using a dropper rig the majority of the time I use a wool indicator instead of a dry fly. What is your ratio of fish caught on the dry vs the dropper?
It depends on the stream. In some of them I’ll catch 2/3 to 3/4 of my fish on the dry so it’s always worth trying.
Any issues with the dropper pulling your dry under or are you using a rather large dry? Thanks for the great video.
@@bripen1019 there would certainly be issues with it floating if the dry isn’t buoyant enough. Part of the learning process is becoming familiar with the buoyancy of each dry fly and matching it to the weight of the nymph. Regular powdering of the dry fly will keep it floating as long as you’ve matched the dry and nymph well.
Just starting Euro, excited to learn from your videos. I have a 10' 4 wt with Euro Fly line. Can I use this method with the Euro line ?
Yes. I was using a Euro nymph line in this video as well.
Lots of great information in this video Devin! What was the bushy dry fly you were using?
It’s one of my patterns called the Front End Loader Caddis www.tacticalflyfisher.com/front-end-loader-caddis/
Devin, great video!! When I try this method I typically use a weighted nymph (2.5 - 3.0) which will normally sink my fly even with floatant applied. Outside of moving to a larger dry fly to support the weight, any suggestions to avoid sinking my fly? Also, what is your tippet distance from the sighter to your dry fly? Thanks again for the great video.
Powder is much better than other types of flotant in my experience. It needs to be applied regularly and you have to get familiar with the buoyancy of various dry flies. Also, you need to avoid making jerky motions that move and sink the dry fly. Greasing the tippet and leader will help. As I show in the text box in the video, my dry fly is often 3-4’ from the sighter. Unless you are fishing a long distance away, high stick the bulk of your tippet off the water.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 Thanks Devin, much appreciated.
Great video Devin, I know you (and others) talk about fishing a nymph under a caddis using the dry dropper setup but do you have any go to mayfly patterns that will support a good sized beadhead nymph? I find that my typical mayfly patterns will sink or ride half sunken with any nymph that has a bead > 2.0mm.
A standard parachute mayfly with a thick post or a Spanish cdc split wing pattern with extra cdc will work. You just have to make sure they are powdered regularly and you are avoiding soaking them during drifts and in between casts.
What size front end loader caddis are you using and about what weight will it suspend in that type water? Thank you and enjoyed as always. Noticed on my last order a new tracking app. Guess I need to download that
I used a size 12 for the video which will suspend up to about a 2.8 mm slotted bead or a 3 mm inverting bead with a lot of powder. Obviously you can change the buoyancy of the dry fly for more or less weight.
I was waiting for video on this topic . Thank you for another great instructional video .
What color are your sunglass lenses ?
Glad you enjoyed it. My lenses are yellow.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 Thank You .
When using your competition dry fly leader, what weighted floating fly line do you commonly use ? Thanks, great content!!
Currently I'm using a 2 weight Airflo Tactical Taper www.tacticalflyfisher.com/airflo-superflo-tactical-taper-ridge-tech-2-0/
I normally use it on a four weight Hardy Ultralite LL 9' 9" rod so it is underlined quite a bit. Underlining it helps with precise loop control and delicate delivery.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 Thanks!!
Thanks, Devin! Great as always! How are you attaching your camera to your hat? Do you have any problem not having it pull your hat off? Richard
I have a strap on gopro mount that goes over my hat. It's not always the most comfortable thing to wear but it won't pull your hat off.
Really enjoy your videos and always learn a lot, Devin! Thank you for sharing so much knowledge!
Coincidentally, I fished the Yakima using dry dropper on my euro rig just yesterday [had less success than you did, as always :)]. Can you comment further or direct me to earlier videos on how best to add tippet when lengthening the terminal nymph's tippet or replacing tippet that has broken off. You mentioned using a blood knot (not the easiest choice).
I rig the upper dropper nymph or dry fly on a length of tippet that is directly connected to the sighter lower tippet ring and the terminal nymph tied on using tippet tied on to the first section using a triple surgeon's knot, hoping I only lose one fly if snagged.
You can certainly use a surgeons knot instead of a blood knot to add more tippet if it’s easier for you. I’m not sure how to help otherwise. Adding or subtracting tippet below the dry is the same as with any other method. I rerig pretty often while I’m on the river and pretty much just accept it as part of the day. With a lot of practice over the years, it’s not the burden it once was.
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i use this method to quickly tie a two fly rig (for both dry dropper, or two nymph rigs).
for me i measure 3' from the terminal end to tie the triple surgeon's knot. then measure up from there to the tippet ring for my max depth i'll fish for the day (usually another 3'-5', which gives me 6'-8' total tippet length below the sighter...i can always dip my 4x sighter into the water for extra deep spots that require it).
how can do you change the length of the droper? are you tying off of the tippet line and moving the dry up and down? I would ilike to know
You just add or subtract tippet. In the waterfall pool, I talked about adding tippet with a blood knot. Obviously, if you need it shorter, just cut some tippet off. The dry stays on the dropper tag throughout.
Great video. Thanks?¡¡Could you tell me from which water temp you go for wet wading?
Oscar,
It depends on the size of river. If it's a small river, I really only care about the weather. If it's sunny I'll wet wade in anything 75 degrees and warmer and just bring a jacket if needed. If it's a large river and I'll be wading deep, I like to have temperatures in the high 50s or 60s and a day that will be at least 80 degrees or more.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 Thanks¡ I take the chance to wish you all the very best for the upcoming world championship¡
@@oscarbarreiro4266 thank you!
Do you have a favorite hopper or ant pattern to dry dropper fish with? Or do you normally use your front end loader caddis?
I’ll use whatever I think will also get eaten. I have a foam front end loader to hold just a bit more weight and I use Chubby Chernobyls a lot in various colors and buoyancies.
Hi Devin, what size rod are you using and how do you decide when to fish a 2wt vs 3wt? Thanks
In this video I was using a 10’ 2 weight Diamondback Ideal Nymph rod. I usually decide on the rod based on the size of the river and the fish as well as the tippet I plan to use. I favor 3 weights more often but some 2 weights are nice for smaller water and tippet.
Hello Devin, what are some of the sizes of dry dropper will you use ? from small to your largest?
Thank you
I’ll use a full range Jim depending on what the water type calls for. I’ll use size 18-20 dries with 2 mm beaded nymphs below all the way to big foam dries with 3.3 or 4 mm beads underneath them. I’ll rig a double dropper under the dry if needed as well.
Devin...are you casting just all leader or do you have line out your guides??? If so are u using a euro fly line or a regular WF line???
It's mostly all leader. A little bit of line will come out on my longest casts. And it is a Euro line.
Hey Devin, i've watched this video a few times. Tried to impliment what you teach on the water and i always end up frustrated. It doesn't matter if i use powder, oil, or fish large bulky attractor dry flies the weight of the nymph always sinks the fly. I'm generally fishing size 16-20 and smaller nymphs with anywhere from a 1.5mm to a 2.8mm tungsten bead.
I fish this way almost every day that I'm out at some point and it is a vital technique for me. I would anticipate you are probably dragging the flies through the water at some point which will prematurely soak them. But I don't know quite how to advise you without seeing your presentation first hand.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 maybe we will get a chance to fish together some day. I would enjoy that.
Hero ❤
🤣 The micro leader with a dry dropper was pretty darn good on the river my wife and I fished in a certain national park near you.
@tacticalflyfisher3817 no doubt an that's why you had a good time I'd say
Devin, for buying a reel for euro fishing, do you have to buy a closed frame reel for it to work or can traditional reels be successful as well?
Closed caged reels definitely are preferable. Some high end American made reels with standard cages work because the tolerances between the spool and frame are tight. But you can get a lot of line and leader slipping between them with most open cage reels.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 I was specifically looking at the Lamson Litespeed F. Do you have any familiarity with reel and it’s tolerance?
I just hesitate to buy a euro specific reel like the Sage ESN when I can buy a Lamson Litespeed and buy a separate spool to have a different setup on but don’t want to go that route if I can’t keep my leader in the reel.
How do you like the new diamond back reel ? Does it compliment the new rod well and is it worth the 550 price tag?
It’s a very good reel with a very smooth drag. It balances well with all of the models depending on how many of the weights you keep in.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 thanks so much. If your not fishing automatic reels would you go with the reel?
@@VTBullitt it would be a really good choice. I currently swap between my semi-automatics and the Diamondback reel quite a bit.
Which .012 "sighter" material do you use for the leader for dry dropper use? Do you use white? Thank you.
www.tacticalflyfisher.com/Cortland-indicator-mono-bi-color-yellow-and-white-50ft-spools/
Yes I use white a lot.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 do you use this leader material for regular euro-nymphing? or just the dry dropper rig? Thank you
@@brooktroutangler5917 just for dry dropper on flatter water. For euro nymphing or dry dropper on rougher water, I use the micro leader I’ve talked and written about elsewhere.
What do find to be your most go to type dry on your dry, dropper rigg.?
I fish a Front End Loader Caddis and Chubby Chernobyl a lot unless there is a specific hatch I find I need to match.
Hello Devin, where you casting in this video with a Euro rod as well? I see fly line coming out in the canyon pool section so I’m not sure
Yes. I was using a euro rod. It’s a euro line that you saw coming out of the rod tip on longer casts.
Thank you!
Was the fly line assisting in the cast at all? Or basically just the weight of the nymph?
@@sethlucas7592 The fly line is not involved in the energy transfer. Only the weight of the nymph and the leader is being cast.
Classic carp catch- excellent! HaHa
Why not right?! :)
Any chance of you sharing the olive diabaetis recipe?
Copper bead, olive dun 16/0 veevus, olive or olive brown Hends or Riberfly perdigon tinsel, x small copper wire rib, uv craft resin over the top. Add a fl orange hot spot collar if you like.
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 Thank you.
What reel are you using on the diamondback? I'm sorta thinking about one, but a tad more than I really want to spend.
I haven't watched the video in a bit but I was fishing a Peux Fulgor if I remember correctly.
Thanks. Have reviewed the Diamondback reel? Id think it should be a balanced set on their rods. But i should mention im only starting my journey int the fly fishing/nymphing world. @tacticalflyfisher3817
@@snakeoiler2921 I haven't done a video review on them, but those reels are great. I have one myself and use it whenever I'm expecting large fish.
@tacticalflyfisher3817 thanks for your response. I value your opinion on these matters.
Devin I hear you talk about using sighter material as your leader. Why not just use smaller monofilament?
You need to be able to switch back and forth easily between techniques. If all you want is a dry dropper that’s fine but this is a way to switch between euro nymphing and dry dropper easily.
I may have missed it but how are you rigging your dry dropper? Are you tying to the dry hook or using a tag set up as in euro nymphing?
@@joeborgione5477 on the dropper tag. In the rigging section I mention that you can just cut your dropper tag nymph off and attach a dry fly. That is also why your dry fly will swivel when the tension forms in the tippet.
Will this whole concept (with regards to being able to switch from euro nymphing to dry dropping easily) work with a leader formula of say 12-13’ maxima chameleon > 2-3’ sighter like amnesia > tippet ring > tippet 1.5-2x depth of water?
what auto Reel are you using there?
It's a Peux Fulgor. tacticalflyfisher.com/products/peux-fulgor-semi-automatic-fly-reel?_pos=1&_sid=4d083cc46&_ss=r
I love your fishing videos. Presentation is my biggest weakness 😕
It's something we can all improve. Hopefully our videos help you on the water.
Cool! I was teaching my wife to fly fish and the very first fish she caught was a large carp. After a long ordeal of fight she said I could have the fly fishing thing. NOT COOL!
I don’t believe you mentioned how you were adjusting the depth on the dry dropper.
I normally set it to an average length that I'll think I need depending on the water type I see on the river. Then I adjust my fly style and weight for different sink rates. If need more of an adjustment than I will rerig with longer or shorter tippet.
I have worked up a dry dropper rig so that the dry can be moved so as to readily adjust the depth of the dropper. This works quite well especially when fishing rivers with varying pockets , pools and depths.
Thats funny- carp on a dry dropper! You know we are not allowed to put them back in the water down here in Australia (they are a massive pest here )
They can be a pest here as well but impossible to get rid of in most systems regardless of how many are caught and killed.
Do a review on your semi automatic reel.
Agreed I think it’s the Swiss made Peux
Curious about your wet wading clothes. Could you please let us know what you’ve selected & why?
Thanks
I did this video on it a while back that should answer your question. czcams.com/video/gTSfL_FvbYw/video.html
I can’t believe you put that carp back. Cut its throat then let it go , they really destroy our waterways.
There’s about a million more to take its place. Me killing that one wouldn’t have made a difference.
Ur catching too much. I can’t even catch one. I need coach.
You can do it!
@@tacticalflyfisher3817 someday
As a follow up to viewers, here is a link to an article Devin wrote on modular leaders: www.tacticalflyfisher.com/blog/creating-a-modular-euronymphing-leader/