Things get WORSE for Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth...
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- čas přidán 8. 05. 2024
- Things are getting tougher for Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth sales and big Persona jrpg remakes leaked.
0:00 Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth Problems
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As someone who loved the original and has played through both Remake/Rebirth, it pains me to say that Square Enix messed this up. no one wanted a 30 hour story padded out across 3 games. Nor do they want a convoluted metaverse based story with different characters across different time zones. The game tries to be too clever with its story execution and often fails to bring across what it's trying to convey. For me the game has been reduced to almost fan fiction that only appeals to those familiar with FF7 and its characters. There is also so much padding that many people got bored and moved on even before completing the game. In hindsight it should have been a single game that should have been a true modern remake of the original in the mold of RE4 Remake.
Me and my friends love that this is different. You wanna play the old game play the old game. The new game is a new game and feels like a new game. So many companies remake or remaster there games so lazily and square goes above and beyond for ff7 fans and get criticism lol ridiculous
@@I_Wrestled_A_JediI am with you. Honestly these folks give FF7 supporters a bad name. They will complain no matter what. I think the remakes have been fantastic.
@@I_Wrestled_A_Jedi Ok, you can say that to us, but then don't complain if the sales are too low. We didn't want a new story, we simply wanted a Remake, nothing more. We didn't get that, so we don't buy the game.
@@I_Wrestled_A_Jediwith Remake, I'd agree with MVG but with Rebirth I've completely changed. As a lover of the OG for decades, I was over the moon with all the love and detail put into the world. It's like diving extremely deep into the world where ever bit is carefully thought out.
@@Ultimabuster92 just go play FF7 lol why do you need the same game again? You already have it. Enjoy it. And I'm not complaining about sales at all. It's on one system. A system that has a significantly lower Base than the PS4 did when remake came out. Rebirth already got the bag from Sony regardless. The shits paid for. Sales are just 🍒
Square Enix needs to get out of these deals that they have with Sony, They need to launch day and date on PC and Xbox aswell.
Apparently, the exclusivity was mostly to help development.
Developers claimed they did not have to focus on getting it to run on multiple machines this way, avoiding a DRAGON'S DOGMA 2 situation.
PC and xbox gamers don't pay jrpgs. square needs to focus on nintendo bc nintendo fans play rpgs.
@@badboy-gn8fu Nintendo needs to make decent hardware first.
@Vagrant7z Doesn't refute the Japanese market adores Nintendo over Playstation hence the weekly sales chart regardless of spec sheet lol
@@badboy-gn8fu PS4 out sold Xbox One copies of ff15 10 to 2. Not very inspiring.
Sales will get better once exclusivity ends. When remake came out It was towards the end of PS4 lifecycle, hence why the sales were way better.
Remake did have like twice as many consoles to sell to so it makes sense.
I am personally making sure I don't give any money to Sony this generation and I'm super excited to play Rebirth some day
I think there going to be a long wait for the entire Final Fantasy VII Remake series to arrive to other consoles
@@Sir_PsychI’ll buy it and play it for ya 🤝🏾
It also released during Covid, so it's already objectively wrong to compare sales figures to it, compared to any game coming out today. Not to mention it was in development hell for like, 7 (lol) or 13 years after its initial announcement, so it already had hype from the start.
I think what Square could do to help themselves is to shift back into either multiplatform or at the bare minimum, simultaneous PC launches with the PS5 version. It may take more immediate time and money to fully optimize for all platforms, but maybe that’ll be worth it if it means bigger launch sales and better legs
In regard to multiplatform releases, I wonder what it's going on insde of Square-Enix in regards to Nintendo. Obviously, Final Fantasy VII Remake and Rebirth cannot run on the regular Switch, and we are still not so sure how powerful their next console is going to be. But I don't think Japanese developers can still ignore the huge playerbase that the Switch has in Japan, the console still sells more than the PS5 in a 3 to 1 ratio. I found it weird that some games like Persona 3 Reload and Visions of Mana skipped the Switch, despite the huge installbase that there's in Japan. I hope things will change with the release of the Switch 2, but each day is getting more and more obvious that either some developers have a certain preference in developing their game for certain hardware or that there's a lot of exclusivity deals behind doors
@@pablocasas5906 I don't think its a matter of exclusivity but the fact that these games are just higher quality titles that they don't feel they can easily convert to fit onto the Switch. My assumption is that titles like Persona 3 Reload and Visions of Mana will be on Switch 2, but Switch is just too weak to support them.
FFVII Rebirth almost assuredly won't be on it, though.
I don't think lack of Switch release for Visions of Mana or P3R is related to exclusivity.
@@pablocasas5906 IIRC a lot of company was surprised that the Switch was an instant hit and not another Wii U situation, which means that they never intended to support the Switch in the first place. They're basically forced to because ignoring it means they lose money and potential market. Just look at SAO how went from PC, PS and Xbox with Switch port later to the newest game having Switch port day and date or how Falcom is going full multiplat with Switch development when they were predominantly PS exclusive years ago.
@@JaidynReiman I think Vision and P3R definitely can work on the Switch, it just need third party porting studio that specialize on that hardware and that means more money for development when they can just wait for Switch 2 to brute force the code and save money from hiring external studio.
Just depends on the platform.
Final fantasy doesn't sell as well on the xbox. Now if it was releasing on nintendo it would be a different story but we all know that ain't happening
My biggest gripes with Rebirth were the dungeons and final boss. Like fighting Z in XC3, the final boss in Rebirth dragged on for waaaayyy too long.
Plus, the dungeons weren't that great either.
But outside of those issues, you can _feel_ so much passion put into Rebirth. And the fact it's so STUFFED with content and none of it held back for DLC, that's highly commendable.
It’s quite telling where the market is going when high quality jrpgs like Rebirth and XC3 don’t even break 5mil. With how high quality those games are it’s surprising how the sales don’t seem to match the effort
@@gamekiller64 The Xenoblade franchise is still pretty niche though. Its grown a lot, but it doesn't have anywhere near the name recognition Final Fantasy has. There's no reason to ever expect XC3 to sell 5m.
Rebirth should have had absolutely no problem destroying that 5m barrier, though.
@@gamekiller64there is a reason JRPG’s golden age was considered to be PS1 and SNES. The genre is long pass its prime.
Square is stuck in the past with these PlayStation exclusives. They should embrace multiplatform releases like Capcom and Sega are doing.
most likely they sign something with sony so they cant unless they want to brake the contact and will have to pay millions
This is the most common cope, That’s not why it sold poorly, the game sucks
It rose to second bestselling game in February in one day.
@@Tw0tsonbruh, the ps5 saturation rate has sucked all gen. That’s why everyone’s getting fired over there. 😂 Multiplat is why 15 it the best selling FF of all time.
@@WhatsBiggin less ps5s sold when ff16 came out and it sold more, cope more
What people need to understand is this is for nostalgic purpose and customer base but then we all find out real quickly this is not our final fantasy too many things have changed to the new people who aren't interested in the game
Better wait for FF7 remake collection edition, with all games included 😏
Yep, also another reason...
They're waiting till "it's finished" and they'll get all 3 games and the DLCs to go with them 😂
C U in 2476 😂
Younger generation just doesn’t care. You can only sell so much to old folks like us, but our numbers are dwindling. If the younger generation doesn’t care about a franchise then it will be very difficult for a franchise to go on.
True. Frustrating but true...
There are younger generations on PC Switch and Xbox that don't want to be forced to buy another plastic box for a third party title. It's Square enix's fault the franchise might die. Yakuza survived by going multiplat
I think this is one of the biggest issues surrounding the performance of the Final Fantasy VII Remake project that not many people are talking about. The game was made for those people who grew up playing the original game back in the late 90s, who are now adults in their thirties or even their forties, some of them have stopped playing games in general Square-Enix hasn't done a great job, in my opiniion, in grabbing the attention of younger millenials or zoomers to the Final Fantasy series, unlike Atlus did with the Persona serie or how Pokémon has kept it's popularity for over 25 years.
Another part of the problem is the plataform choice, at least in an specific region. While it's kind of understandable the close relation that the Final Fantasy series has with Sony ever since they release the original Final Fantasy VII on the original PlayStation, the PS brand of consoles is not the only major player in the RPG space, the Switch has become the best-selling gaming console in Japan with over 32.580.339 units sold, while the PS5 has only sold 5.484.539 there (and we are not so sure if most of the consoles there were actually bought to be sold abroad). Now, porting FFVII Remake and Rebirth to the Switch would be impossible and in no way they'll make some sort of watered down version for the Switch like Enix/Armor Project did with the DQXI port for the 3DS, but it clearly shows that many Japanese developers depend a lot on International sales, despite that even those are in a decline
@@1Sparda1_ this 100% I have a switch and PC, and I’ll buy it if it comes to either of those but I’m not buying another console just for one game.
I'm convinced at this point that by the next generation we won't see many of the IP's we grew up with being a priority for game companies.
I keep hearing if "(x) game franchise was on (x) console it would sell way more!", but a statement like that doesn't take into account that the gaming consumer base is largely, largely, made up of Gen Z and below gamers now.
People in our age range have mostly left gaming as a hobby - it's a reality that seemingly NOBODY wants to acknowledge or talk about.
Final Fantasy should be on multiple platforms
I mean, yeah, you're right.
This game is not available outside of a single platform, the PS5. So it's expected that it wouldn't sell like the previous titles. Same for FF16.
You nailed the thing.
I would have bought it if it wasn't PS5 exclusive. I bought FFVII Remake eventually because it was on PS4 and I have PS4, but I haven't bought PS5 yet because I don't see the value in it. If it comes to PC I'll buy it on PC.
@@JaidynReimanit def needs to be on pc, plus whatever the next switch is. Japan is mostly gaming on the go now. Part of the reason its not doing so well in japan is just because sony has a much less market share in japan then it did in the past. But seeing as how im pretty sure sony helped fund the project, square is probably alright with it.
Sadly, if it’s on the switch, they really need to find a way to keep it off the cloud system. Since some games is on the Nintendo Cloud system that requires the internet. So, they need to find a way to keep it off line for some games like this one.
Yes.
Honestly I think this hurts Sony way more than it does Square Enix with FF games being exclusive to Playstation. It's Sony that writing the check to have SE's games exclusively to their platforms. I see it similar to Microsoft tossing those moneybags to Sega/Atlus to bring their games to Xbox and their Game Pass service. I do think Sony is paying more for exclusivity and I can't really say I blame them. FF7 is what put Sony on the map alongside Metal Gear Solid so I can totally see why they wanted it to be on their platform only. Will FF16 and/or 7 Remake, Rebirth and whatever the third game come to other platforms? Maybe? Probably? Who knows, but I honestly feel Square Enix isn't hurting that bad for it seeing they got their money. Sony on the other hand this hurts more knowing most folks aren't buying the PS5 like crazy and IF they are the FF games are not the reason for the majority buying that system. This is coming from someone who adores FF7 Remake and Rebirth and is excited for the third game. Heck I would mind double dipping them on the Switch successor IF that's possible.
I’m excited but not buying a PS5. Could be a side effect of the Switch’s success maybe? I’m good with a Switch and a PC.
I don't think exclusively is the issue. As you said, there are just too many games. It's also the overpriced offers, and people just don't seem interested or have the time. People just have more options.
I think it is a part of it, though. PS5 doesn't have anywhere near the install base of PS4. I am a potential customer who would have bought it Day 1 if I had a PS5, but I do not because I don't see the value in getting a PS5 right now.
A mainline entry FF game also came out just last year. 😅
Everything being open world has made it to where games seem more like a chore. Funny enough I just got to chapter 9 of Rebirth but, playing Persona 1 PSP has caught my attention more. No open world BS, just fun rpg.
@TheConuresrule dude, I haven't even started Dragon's Dogma 2 and Rise of The Ronin yet. These games are too big. Plus, FF7 rebirth is overloaded with content that it can be a bit boring at times. Monster Hunter World took my attention from time to time.
Other games have that as well, so why aren't those impacted? Like, all these reasons are really weird. And we have yet to even get any official numbers.
No sales update 2 months after launch shows ff7 rebirth is not selling great. Even more so with the fact that square annouced early sales for ff16 and ff7 remake.
I think ff7 fatigue is also another reason people already burned out with how SE milk ff7 for decades, thus people are not really buying anything that's ff7 related.
Also, it doesn't help that gamers have soured on triple AAA developers as well, especially since their pushing what they want to push instead of making things the fans want.
I don’t know. I feel like if FF7 remake was the full story and turn-based, and also released on Switch, it would have sold wayyy better.
More like OG fans don’t want/like the changes made to this remake!
And split up to multiple games! Killed much of the hype!
@@KatanaRikkuno switch cant handle it what do you mean?
@@hardensoul7248OG fans aren't a monolith, though. There are many that are on board with the new direction.
I don't know if there are a ton of games to pick from on ps5
i think allot of og ff7 fans are pissed off about the multiverse out of the blue thing
I've never played the original & the multiverse stuff lost me. And this is coming from someone who doesn't find the KH storyline completely confusing.
@@Samsapopin I love the "completely" remark.
yes happened to me
@@SamsapopinI actually welcomed the multiverse since it creates a new storyline which honestly I think is very exciting.
as someone who has been playing the FF series since the early 90's, I think Rebirth, and the FF& remake project in general, is awesome. Why would y'all want the same exact story that's already been milked for 20 years. purists are so goofy.
I love Final Fantasy but there are a few things. For one, I think it’s fair to say that the series hasn’t had a truly beloved entry since X back in 2001.
The VII remake project probably should’ve been a 2 parter at most, a trilogy didn’t need to happen. Similar point, they should’ve stuck to the original story and just fleshed out some things like Jessie’s back story being a great example. I enjoyed remake a lot but the ending left me feeling a little shaky and the whisperers did nothing for me.
The brand/series needs a cohesive vision. They used to be able to make big shifts entry to entry but now I think it’s hurting them. It keeps systems from being truly fine tuned and I think gives some uncertainty to new comers on what to expect
Timed exclusive, Multiverse. Nuff said.
Inflations on everything has been insane people have to pay bills and eat a lot dont have as much money for entertainment now.
Tried getting into FF7 but was pretty confused on which game I should start playing and the names didn't help either so I just started FF7 Crisis core reunion.
Best option is to play them in order of release. It'll be a bit of back and forth in the timeline but it'll make more sense to follow.
@@Sir_PsychYou are addressing the problem in this comment.
It doesn’t begin to make sense at all. Just play FF7 because nothing is canon. Don’t care which dev says what. Only FF7 is canon.
I don't think SE should worry about the sales of Rebirth, especially when the game hits Steam.
A good game will find its audience and be successful in the long run.
If you were tell a Fire emblem fan and Xenoblade fan a decade ago that one day, their favorite franchise would sell on par with a FF game and not just any FF game, a remake of FF7.The Fire emblem fan and Xenoblade Fan would have all called you crazy fanboy that doesn't know anything about jrpgs and to lay off the drugs. FF fans would ask you what is Fire emblem and Xenoblade.
For context Fire emblem Awakening wouldve been out in the US for a year and Xenoblade x is 2 years out from releasing
This comparison definitely brings picture that SE really has fallen off. Square was emblematic with quality, but not so much anymore. The company went downhill since FF12
@@VuNguyen-fv5jl Not at all.
It also doesn't help that Dragon Quest still hasn't gotten there treatment as much as FF or Kingdom Hearts has. It's been 3 years now since we haven't heard anything about Dragon Quest 3 2D-HD Remake released, if Dragon Quest 10 is finally getting localized, if they port DQ4-9 into Switch or anything of what's happening with DQ12 other than the fact it's getting delayed. We've been getting lots of spinoffs that most people don't even cared about. They more caring about the numbers of the series.
Keeping FF on PS alone is killing FF and Sauare. Square has to get their head out of their butt.
Square Enix always sets unrealistic goals... no wonder it "underperforms"
Sometimes fans also have unrealistic expectations. I remember there was a heated argument in a certain gaming forum where people tried to predict which game would sell more, Final Fantasy VII Remake or Animal Crossing: New Horizons, which were about to release around the same time. In the end, ACNH managed to sell over 44 million copies, while FFVII Remake has sold over 7 million, but people on that forum were convinced FF would sell better
The last 3 main FF games have been very bad when compared to their timeless classics
I’ll buy FF 7 rebirth on a sale. Maybe people feel the cost isn’t worth it. Remake had a few things going for it especially riding the nostalgia train. But like OJ said on spawncast about his brother’s feelings on this FF7 trilogy. People just wanted the same FF 7 in one game with vastly upgraded graphics and gameplay improvements but still the same game turn based system. Instead Square Enix wanted milk the FF 7 cow dry with 3 games. I mean an entire game 40 hrs plus in Midgar while in the original it was 5 hours only and that’s only on the first disc too. FF 7 burnout at least until they create a full sequel and new story instead of side story or movie that’s a rehash.
The biggest problem is its exclusivity for PS5. If it’s more opened to other platforms, it would have done better.
Yes, I can imagine Sony paid Square-Enix a considerable amount of money for the exclusivity, but it's also kind of weird reading some of their statements like, "the original Final Fantasy VII was an integral part of the original PlayStation success and identity, so we feel that the game should remain exclusive", that to me sounds like S-E has an incredibly weird sense of loyalty toward Sony for a game that came over 25 years ago.
While Xbox's sales aren't that big compared to the PS5, most japanese games like Street Fighter 6, Tekken 8, Persona 3 Reload, etc. get released on both the PS5 and Xbox, so I don't find a believable reason why FFVII should't be on Xbox as well.
@@pablocasas5906it is weird. How many PS1/PS2 owners now own a PS5? Does the PS5 even have a remotely similar appeal to a PS1? I remember PS1 as overloaded with great Japanese games. All of the big games on PS5 aside from FF seem to be from USA and Europe.
In my opinion I think the $70 is what is hurting the sales. If I was SE, I would launch the game at $50 0r $60. It's not a new IP. Same thing happened to Dead Space remake.
The moment they screwed PS4 owners with the DLC was the moment anybody interested lost it. Combine that with Kingdom Hearts and bad level design and it's not a surprise part 3 is looking like the worst main FF sales wise.
Music to my ears. Square needs no lube for this rear pounding. It is what they get for doing exclusives.
Stop defending Rebirth sales ponies, SE is in bad numbers and more ps5 in houses wont solve their problem, better get rid on those contracts with sony and soon as possible
I do prefer the Microsoft way NGL, instead of making the game an exclusive they just put it on Game Pass.
Right now I am streaming LoP on a freaking cheap AF Logitech cloud gaming handheld.
And I am happy as F+-K with what I got. 😂 Hopefully Microsoft makes cloud gaming available for all game pass titles.
To each their own I guess.
Exclusive=free money upfront. Profit>Sales
We don't even know the numbers yet.
Xbox Series has sold half of what PlayStation 5 has. SE has ported games to Xbox in the past and has not seen the sales boost you think it would get. Remake also didn’t sell particularly huge numbers on PC. Just as a matter of raw numbers, this copium of blaming the problem on exclusivity is ignoring reality. People hate this remake project because it’s over stuffed with needless padding, and because it deviates heavily from the original story. That is why it’s failing. The rest is just shippers huffing copium because they can’t deal with the market rejection of Zerith. But screw their ship. OG wasn’t about shipping.
The thing is, when Final Fantasy VII Remake was announced, a lot, if not all, were expecting the game to be a 1:1 faithful to its original Playstation 1 version. AND, Remake released around the time COVID had swept through the entire world and everyone was stuck at home. Ever since its release, the game divided its own fanbase. Some people hated the direction the story was going and some hated that it wasn't turn-based. It might sound like small issues, but people really do take that to heart and it significantly affects their decision to even want to continue on with the games' 3-part story.
I know remake had a classic mode. Was classic mode turn based?
I think the biggest factors on why sales is not reaching Square Enix’s expectations is because Remake released during the start of pandemic. People were stuck at home and had more time to go out of their way to purchase the game.
Rebirth is a sequel where you are basically required to play the first game understand to plot. People who haven’t played Remake are gonna buy that game first before they buy Rebirth.
I know a lot of folks that ONLY play games like Fortnite. They pay 500 plus for a system and only play one game. I tried introducing games like FF7, Kingdom Hearts, etc but they just don’t care.
So basically what you're saying is the remake of a super popular title of a long running series is doing poorer than a brand new game with a new style of gameplay that was really well received by most people expect by parts of the old school fans who then try to make it look bad and downplay it's sales success while also antagonizing the fans who like the newer gamer
So basically Final fantasy is in the same position as paper mario And is a preview of what to expect in terms of sales performance for ttyd remake incomparison to origami king
Good😂
Maybe this is one consequence of treating the trilogy as mainline titles. This is still a remake of the og no matter how remake is defined, so players are automatically divided into liking or hating the story direction. Players who didn't like game 1 most likely didn't buy game 2 no matter how promising the trailers are.
This is another layer on top of the general liking and disliking the direction of mainline final fantasy games.
It's possible Square Enixed planned for this. Not that they WANTED it to happen, but they planned on it because the timed exclusive ends in May, which is much shorter than with Remake. So it's likely the PC release will be announced at Summer Game Fest....which when I think on it is likely another reason why sales are low now. Considering that $70 price point, many don't have it to double dip. With the major critiques of performance mode, many people are probably waiting for the PC port which is likely slated for this year.
What people typically don't talk about are contributing factors like:
1. *Platform Exclusivity*: Rebirth was released exclusively on PS5, which has a smaller install base compared to the PS4 when the Remake was released². This limited the potential audience from the start.
2. *Market Saturation*: The increase in the number of gaming options and the competition within the market could have impacted the sales.
3. *Franchise Fatigue*: With many entries in the Final Fantasy series, some consumers might experience franchise fatigue, leading to lower interest in newer releases⁴.
4. Digital Sales: There's a shift towards digital sales, which can make it harder to track and compare to previous titles that had stronger physical sales⁵.
5. Timing: The Remake was released during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, which may have boosted its sales due to more people staying at home.
6. *Economic Factors*: General economic conditions, such as recessions or reduced disposable income, can affect entertainment spending.
7. *Critical Reception*: While both games were well-received, the initial hype surrounding the Remake due to its long-awaited status could have driven higher initial sales.
Soo...where was this list of excuses for FF16? Maybe FF7 rebirth stans need to admit that the game is severly overhyped. If this game came out last year instead of FF16, it wouldve gotten destroyed
@@bandiddid8583 I don't argue with stupid people, and your stupidity is evident when you call it excuses rather than contributing factors. Your ignorance and compounded stupidity is abysmal.
It probably would have done better. You can't have 3 casinos on the same street. 1 year apart is not long enough.
I enjoyed the vast majority of Rebirth but good lord that ending…that was the worst. I was just groaning “come on, just end, Idgaf about who is going to fall into another world anymore, this is just stupid”.
I mean Rebirth is on a console with a current est install base of 50+ million. With a massive marketing push. When Remake came out on PS4 it had a 110 million consoles sold. More than double the install base.
Another Stupid excuse from a blind fanatic
(Only 5 minutes in to the video)What do you expect, waiting 3 years for a continuation?
it would sell more if it was on more platforms day one in all honesty as i see it its not even released before its on pc maybe at most a pre release
It's a combination of PS5 exclusivity, people growing up and going outside more after Covid fatigue, and being increasingly disinterested in following passion in exchange for trends since the whole idea of playing/watching/reading as many video games/shows/book as possible to have value socially is taking over. It's doesn't feel like people are disinterested in FFVII, but eveything they do in general.
Sucks for rebirth, also gonna suck for stellar blade. Should have been on pc. But i guess stellar blade does not have to sell as much a rebirth.
Remake was on a console with 100 million install.
Install base doesn’t matter past a certain point. Otherwise system sellers wouldn’t be a thing.
@@Eggplant_Salad it also released during covid. Like animal crossing.
@@I_Wrestled_A_Jedi The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom was released almost a year ago, way past covid, and Nintendo confirmed that it sold over 10 million copies in just 3 days. I know that the Nintendo Switch at that point sold over 130 million units, but I think the comparison is apt considering TotK is a sequel to Breath of the Wild
In fact, while they're not in the same genre, is kind of interesting if we compre Final Fantasy games to Zelda ones. Back in the late '90s FFVII managed to sell over 10 million copies on the original PlayStation, which still are the biggest sales for a FF game, while Ocarina of Time sold 8 million copies on the N64. But now Breath of the Wild has sold over 30 million copies on just one console. Can a Final Fantasy game reach BotW numbers in a single console generation?
@@pablocasas5906 Apples and oranges, really.
You thin that if things don't improve soon, SE might consider porting Rebirth to PC sooner than expected to make up the loses in PS5?
I've heard the exclusivity period is relatively short for Rebirth, like it can be ported within like 6 months. I do think we'll see a PC port by the end of the year or early next year.
The thing is, with which they have to contend, gamers' general consensus about the title has already been vocalized.
When a game is an exclusive it can benefit from good word of mouth when it launches on other platforms. This game was given a 9 by IGN, which is generally good...
But there have been some controversial choices in this game, and some people may not like that. Non hardcore fans also don't give a cloud so..
Why okay a JRPG that spans 3 titles, is on multiple generational platforms, in one of the greatest times of video game releases in modern history?
The well isn't dry.
I'm playing Lies of P on a freaking handheld... Granted, I am streaming it, but that doesn't change the fact that I am playing it on a freaking handled.
And Square hasn't even released their game on the platform I use for gaming yet. I have a backlog, and chances are I will be playing BG3 this summer 😂
@@JaidynReiman Hmm maybe they saw this coming or due to the current climate around AAA gaming, they knew best to keep the exclusivity deal short this time as a safety net. And with how things have been turning out, the chances of an even shorter window for Part 3 or even a multi platform release on day one have become all the more likely
SE gets the money from Sony. Sony needs the money back, porting to pc dosen't profit Sony. If Sony doesn't get the money back the third game is...?
Atlus is the only publisher I can confidently trust with quality JRPG games. Even though they may do some annoying things with DLC, it’s better than competition
SE being silent on the sales is one thing... How the crazy FF fans defend the sales is what amazes me lol. Goalpost move after another goalpost move.
They constantly invent every excuse to cope
@@kjh4496 yeah, heck you can see some of them in the comments lol.
Like you are any better.
@@NuiYabuko you are adding nothing with that remark lol. And I am better cuz I don't go defend sales and be crazy like some of those FF fans.
Really glad to see this happening to FFVII, its sad, but a poor decision having poor results may end up giving us more. A special release of all three remake games combined that's more affordable and less padded, I'm here for it, especially if I can play on PC, just not willing to pay $360AUD in 3 instalments for a PS1 game from 1997 I can play for... Less
A few things to keep in mind the PS5 install base is around 55 million, the game is $70, it’s the second part to a trilogy that started on PS4, and PS5 exclusives just aren’t selling I mean take a look at Spider-Man 2 it only managed to sell 10 million while Spider-Man PS4 sold 40 million. As time goes on more people will get a chance to play it and have the system to play Part 3 on as long as PS5 is still current gen.
Well,... John Lee's probably right. Especially, since that scene was trending around the same time the Sweet Baby Inc. controversy was really starting.
But even though I still believe it's because Japan is just tired of FF in general & they're uninterested in Playstation these days, I also think it's because they knew that Rebirth is just Part 2 of a trilogy to a story that a lot of OG fans didn't like the ending to Part 1. And Part 3 will come in 3-5 years.
I mean I wouldn't be surprised if SB inc worked on this game. A lot of the NPCs are literally thrown in diversity characters that it's hard to not say SB or some similar company didn't touch this game.
@@TheConuresrule Was SBI also involved when SE made Barret in the 90s? When will you understand that Japan isn't your diversity-free safe place? SBI also only looks through scripts, so how likely would it be for them to go over localised text?
@@NuiYabukoI think the main objection is just having any kind of ethics department or any other non-creative consultant involved. I’m pretty sure I remember the same journalists who praise all the SBI stuff also wrote articles complaining about Barrett being too “stereotypical” or something. The actual fans like characters like Barrett who have gravitas and meaning to them over boring token characters.
I am buying FF7 rb, but not yet. I haven't finished crisis core
the main issue is the PS5 bullsht exclusive...like , you've already release a steam version for remake, then you make them wait again....wtf
The 1.6-1.8 million numbers doesnt make sense when they say there is a peak player count of 2.2 million
> people ask for remake for 20+ years
> Make a sequel in three parts, sell it as a remake and lie to everybody prior to the game coming out
> People stop buying your product because it's not what was promised at all
> Sales slump
> Square Enix: shocked Pikachu face
Square told the truth about remake and its changes prior to the game coming out. See the trailers for proof. Some people were in denial. Those who looked with clouded eyes...
@@rzxwm10 look, I am a huge FF7 fan. I have watched/read a lot of promotional material. A lot. There were subtle hints (Sephiroth's wing in the first released key art, for example) but the message was "we are going to be faithful to the original while expanding the story".
Maybe they didn't technically lie, but don't tell me it was clear because I am sure most of the people stopped at "remake"... Rightfully so.
I was dumb to go into FF7 Remake completely blind. I thought it was the entire FF7. And I thought it was a remake. I was truly going in with zero knowledge. You should have seen my surprise when I beat Sephiroth at 35 hours just leaving Midgar, and the credits rolled.
Do the trackers, track digital sales? It seems like digital is far bigger nowadays. We know the game has sold over 2.2 million. We know that. This isn't exactly horrendous. Lol did remakes sales figures include the eventual ps+ inclusion also? We have to remember Sony gives them a bag also. When the game hits PC it'll also get a second life. No one really expects it to surpass remake but the gameis great, It's a game of the year contender. I mean the negative talk around it seems so unnecessary. I get some people are butthurt about it being an expanded trilogy, which to me is weird I think big fans would be in love with seeing everything expanded and how beautiful it all looks. That's just me. The story can seem a little bonkers but they have to leave some stuff as a mystery for the conclusion ofcourse and there's a lot of things here where it's like anyone whose played the series games and read the ultimanias it's like there's stuff in here for everyone. And the die hards have seemingly really loved what they've done. Cause there's hints and references everywhere.
Maybe the secesser of the switch can handle ff7 remake and rebirth since I keep on hearing the specs as powerful as a ps4
I think you make a good point about the price point. Despite how big the trilogy may be, I think people intrinsically think to play what they perceive as a single game for $200 is just a hard sell.
There may be several reasons why FFVII Rebirth is underperforming saleswise.
As you mentioned it, the "sequel in a planned trilogy effect" might be one of them but i hardly believe that Square Enix didn't anticipate it. It's a well known fact that sequels tend to sell less copies than the first game (because people who buy sequels usually bought and liked the first entry). By this logic, the third game should sell less copies than the second. They probably accounted for that in their exclusivity deal with PlayStation.
There may also be a Final Fantasy fatigue. Since 2020, SE releases : Final Fantasy VII Remake (2020) / Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade (2021) / Stranger of paradise Final Fantasy Origin (2022) / Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII (2022) / Final Fantasy XVI (2023) / Final Fantasy VII Rebirth (2024)
Even if some games are just spin-offs or definitive editions, that's a copious amount of time and money that SE is asking people to invest in the FF franchise.
Well, im playung remake now, about 3/4 through. I mightplay FF15 next, then Rebirth.
I just love the team combat.Ii fell in love with the style when i played Guardians Of the Galaxy. Combat and banter combied for excellence! Now i see why people wished you could swap between characters in GOTG. Its incredibly fun.
Unicorn overlord was one of my favorite games this year and I wouldn't have bought it if it didn't come to the switch
I did not like that remake didn't stick more closely to the original storyline, so I'm waiting for rebirth to be on sale. I liked the combat but not enough to justify 70usd for a game whose story changes will most likely make me cringe
Man, the amount of copium in many of these comments are crazy. No, it wasn't because of being a PS5 exclusive, nor any other of those BS excuses. The FF VII Sequel Trilogy (falsely advertised as a remake) just doesn't have a real audience.
For the first point, the game is underperforming compared to freaking FF XVI, despite the fact that game was also an exclusive and the installed base was even smaller. Not to mention it's trailing far behind other PS5 exclusives like "Spider-Man 2". And even then, a multiplatform release would NOT have changed things much. If you look at the sales figures of previous multiplatform FF games, you'll see only around 15-20% of sales are made on XBox and PC. Most people who play primarily on those platfoms just don't like JRPGs in general.
As for the real reason I mentioned, you only need to see the two primary target audiences for the "Remake", and see that Square Enix shot themselves in the foot by turning it into a sequel. Fans of the original who wanted the story being modernized got massively alienated when "Remake" revealed itself to be actually a sequel. And then "Rebirth" took it to the next level of offensive by confirming the existence of a freaking multiverse into the mix. Then you have the other main target audience: people who hadn't played the original and to whom Square Enix could have reached by modernizing the story. By making it a sequel, all they managed to do was to confuse the heck out of them, since they lack the context needed for understanding what's going on. Probably they thought that audience would perceive those sequel elements as "Mystery Boxes" of sorts, but they didn't take into account that FF VII is not a story made for that approach (very few stories are, but that's another discussion).
The only audience for these games are basically people who are contrarians and/or cynical of the current state of gaming. You know, the people who DIDN'T want the Remake to even exists in the first place, so they felt validated when the Remake turned out to be a sequel. I wouldn't be surprised if the possibility of raising Square Enix's clout and social status among the video game intelligentsia for was part of the project objetives. The company's reputation has been questionable at best for two entire decades now, after all. But it's never a good idea trying to increase your reputation by listening to your haters.
Well, when you state all those facts. Yea, there was a lot of factors as to why Rebirth's had a less than stellar sales record. I doubt Square is panicking, but this will concern them when considering their next move with Final Fantasy. As for the case with Persona. Whatever Atlus has planned for 1 & 2, their gonna give them more than Bandai Namco has for their older games.
Honestly I think part of the reason it's doing poorly is FFVII's name was used too recently like maybe people are sick of more nostolgia bait with the title.
7:40 The Switch has Fire Emblem of course a similar game like Unicorn Overlord would do well there would sell well there, pretty shocked they weren't planning on selling it on the switch
LOL I'm all on board for remasters are remakes of the first ones I ain't never played them, so I would have really look forward to that. but I wouldn't be the only one hoping that they get remade in higher quality in frame and better graphics. and I'm pretty sure they would sell so they're not going to lose money The problem is time and How many people they got working on it? and how many people they got working persona 6. But yes, when these games release, my wallet will be hurting me yet again.
If we get a remake, then that means they will update the graphics for it. Since it is a 15 year old game. Also, I would love to see Persona 1 and 2 as a remake/remaster, cause we need big changes. Like graphics for today’s audience and minor updates or additions stories for it.
People underrate how much buying a 70 dollar game is straining the wallets of gamers. Especially younger ones. So many games, too much money to spend on them, and a question to the substance you get for your bucks. Its hurting the market in general and its an issue that needs to be corrected or else the industry will crash eventually.
Nintendo would be smart to keep their current approach. Make a system that isnt trying to compete with Sony, but uses its limited hardware where it needs to be and create fun, unique experiences and not try to be an open world 100 hour movie.
As an Xbox/Switch owner I'll gladly buy FF7Remake/Rebirth if they come to any of these consoles, I did buy FF7 crisis core reunion on Series X and enjoy it a lot :)
It's sold around 2 million so far
I think it is probably selling poorly due to the price of the PS5 still being high and many people still using the PS4. Personally, I want to play it but I am going to wait for a PC release. It is not worth buying a PS5 just for this game. I also felt that, for the price, FF7 Remake was a very short game.
But 16 was an PS5 exclusive? and it sold ok?
I think part of it is because thete are still alot of people that haven't got a PS5 still soayne not having a PS4 copy was a problem for this game.
I know people that still havent got a PS5 mainly due to the cost of living situation right now
This game great just finished it yesterday
Good, let this convoluted fan service mess die 🚮
Things may be getting so much worse for FF7 Rebirth which is great news to hear. But deep down, people do know the real reasons for that and the usual excuses like “I’ll wait for it to be on PC”, or “it should be multiplatform” are not the reasons. Look closely, think carefully, and do some heavy research and you’ll see.
100%, but sadly there are too many who don't want to talk about it because they don't want to get categorized and canceled.
*quietly sips his tea*
Yeah their branding for final fantasy is god awful. It's impossible for new players to understand what's going on with so many spin-offs, confusing titles, remakes, remasters, -2 editions and sequals to numbered entries, roman numbers, mobile games vs console games, some high budget and some low budget. It's a complete mess.
@@shinigamimiroku3723what are you talking about?
@@sveningvardentredjeexplain what you mean?
@sveningvardentredje The only thing that needs to be understood is FF is an anthology series, with a few exceptions (Like Remake to Rebirth in this case, even then you could probably jump into Rebirth and it'll be fine) you don't have to worry about it and just play any game that interests you the most.
This Rebirth sales discussion has been so overblown imo. Has it underperformed? Probably, knowing Square Enix and their unrealistic expectations for every game (5 million for Tomb Raider 2013's debut sales was a letdown apparently), but people are running around saying it's only sold 2 million which is blatantly false, and their evidence is day one concurrent players being 2.21 million, which is over 2 million, and not account for anybody who bought day one or pre-ordered but were busy with other things and ended up having to wait a little bit longer (like me) or any of the people who purchased the game during the entire month of March and first half of April.
A complete guess on my end but based on this information, Rebirth is probably over 2.5 million but under 3 million sales.
Much of this seems to be coming from the usual console warrior suspects, and it's becoming incredibly annoying how you can't discuss topics in a fair manner now without console warriors and culture warriors stinking the place up with disingenuous and bad faith takes.
SE didnt make any concept art to celebrate sales or anything instead choose to remain silent that tells you all you need to know
@@nessianz4730 People was saying the same thing about Sony and Horizon forbbiden west and it ended up selling +8 millions of copies -_-
It feels like veiled console warring. Though some people don't even bother to veil it. "It shouldn't have been exclusive." Then perhaps it'd be out later or some other issue, since porting doesn't happen by pushing a button.
I really don't understand why its sales even need video after video. I doubt its sales will impact the release of the third part, so why are people so invested?
This entire argument (not yours) is basically just summarizing as people and purist raging that this trilogy is amazing despite not being a 1:1 of the original game. Just people baby-raging over good things because they didn't get what they wanted.
I played Remake on PS4. I want it play Remake, but don’t have a PS5 yet. I want the best experience and with talks of a PS5 Pro I’m waiting for that to drop.
I think the whole meta remake thing turned off a lot of people. Remake’s ending was polarizing. I think SE should just stick to making one solid numbered title with no sequels or spinoffs. Just one solid story with a definitive info. No other shenanigans.
I still really loved rebirth, yes it sucks that we didn’t get a complete game with all of ff7 and there are some side content in rebirth that…..isn’t the greatest….but I still put it in my top three favorite ff games with 6 and 10
I've played all the mainline final Fantasy games since 10 I'm really 8 most kind of sucked. This is the first one that made I've actually enjoyed again and finally feel like they found their place in modern games. I didn't enjoy remake. But I'm loving rebirth besides a few of the story changes. As far as the game play, mechanics, mini Games music and overall vibe on point. So let's hope it sells better.
It's sold over 2 million copies which isn't what they wanted but it's far from horrible.
How much did it cost to make? Also, it's a downward trend. They still have a huge third installment that they've committed to, so downward trends are very bad
Dunno they said more than that was bad for tomb raider as a timed exclusive on Xbox before. and I’m guessing FF7RB cost a lot more to make somehow.
For a jrpg it ain't horrible, but for ff7 trilogy, definitely horrible.
@@doctorogre1777 it’s likely Sony funding the bill to extent, but that only goes so far as Sony already has the part 3 as another exclusive release for them. and that could be even worse tbh as it will be ps6 game so the install base could be even smaller 😬
@@kenrulei09Third game is planned to drop in 2027 so it's probably still a PS5 game, maybe cross gen with 6. If they're not satisfied with this game's performance they'll definitely accommodate that.
You can try to spin it any way you want. But the truth is Rebirth (and Remake before it) is a completely different experience for players new to the series and its not as good as it is for OG7 players who get to see a modern reimagining of their favorite game. Its really just that simple. Rebirth's ceiling is the core OG7 players with a PS5. It has no appeal beyond that demographic.
Lord of the Rings was 3 books : and got 3 movies.
The Hobbit was 1 book : and got 1 movie
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows was 1 book : and got 2 movies
FF7 "remake" "reimagining" was NEVER for the fans.
I'm sure Sony payed for the exclusivity. People that own the ps5 not necessarely are jrg fans. Perhaps is more on switch
Honestly I’m just waiting for it to go on sale. I ain’t paying 70 😭😂
Really unfortunate, I really like this game...
If I really want torture myself i may pick up the complete edition with all 3 parts on PS6 in 2029
System sellers do still exist. But a 30yo game even if remade is certainly not one.
Mini game simulator. The game is bloated with mini games. Its just not that good. point blank period.
I'd love to really know. Where did all the ps4 players go? Was ps4 cheap enough to drive sales? I skipped the console release in both cases as a PC guy. Ps5 is clearly ahead of xbox so its unlikely to be people switching systems.
Let's just tell it like it is Final Fantasy games are not the bangers they once were when Sakaguchi was at Square, instead we have Nomura's team who are simply terrible at telling stories.
People don’t buy new AAA games now as much as few years ago. Inflation, quality issues and many great indie games (plus shame pile of older games)
This game is the epitome of what the market doesn’t want anymore. A tired open world design and reviews that promise it gets good after double digit hours. They overdid everything.
I would have easily traded the open world to larger towns with more to do in the towns, like Midgar in remake.
Locking the best items behind mini games and annoying non battle related challenges is probably a huge turn off as well. It was for me, and sure, I got em, but I’m not replaying this game any time soon. It’s just too annoying and too long in the wrong places.
Not true at all. There is no problem with the game itself.
It's a problem with the marketing and convincing people to buy the game.
The game is an undeniable critical success.
The reason is honestly much simpler than that. Direct sequels(games that are tied and connected narratively and are continuations, not stand alone sequels like GTA, Mario, RE or every other mainline FF) RARELY ever sell better than their first games. The biggest games like Spider-Man 2, GoW Ragnarok, Horizon Forbidden West, Zelda TotK, TLoU2 all have failed to outsell their previous entries, and they don’t even come close. You can’t expect a 100% retention rate because not everybody who bought the first game is invested and will buy into the sequel, this applies especially to narrative driven games.
The only stand out examples of a direct sequel selling better than their previous games are Red Dead 2 and Witcher 3, but even those have caveats to them. RDR2 is a prequel game and the Witcher series only really blew up because of the 3rd game which was most people’s first Witcher game. I’m sure there are others, but like I’ve said, they are pretty rare and are not the norm.
I am curious however, did release of Rebirth boost the sales of Remake? For example when in One piece anime gear 5 got animated and there was a wave of hype I went to my shop and bought volume 1. I wonder if this is a case and if yes, how much it offsets the lower sales. I have seen few people on internet and irl being like "I heard Rebirth was good so I went and grabed Remake to play it first". Question is, how big factor is it.
Also PS5 does have a problem with smaller software aquistion per console in comperesion to ps4 and switch is lightyears ahead.
I’m still surprised how the trails series is still alive, considering it’s 10 highly interconnected JRPGs, you’d think the diminishing return from the sequels would’ve killed the series by now.
To be fair, Trails is running into same issues. You won't see a number in series going beyond 4 in title, there are multiple arcs and marketing is focusing on things being "great entry point for new players". Also budgets and dev times are way shorter so one smaller sale in series does not kill it. Thanks to that those sales boosts of older titles can acctualy help them directly than in behemoth size games like FF7R.
I'm just waiting till I can get on PC as right now I have no interest in buying a PS5 just to play this game when I mainly play JRPGs on other platforms like PC or Switch.
With this game being a goty candidate it will have legs.
All these takes are going to age like milk. Wait for the 2nd quarter report.
well FF16 SOLD 3m on 38m PS5s VS FF7 Rebirth 1.7m on 50m PS5s
so being only on PS5 is not the issue 🙄
It's above 1.7m
I wonder if P3R is going to outsell FF7 Rebirth?
Don't think so. I mean, the Persona series has become very popular since the release of P5, but Final Fantasy is still what most people think about when someone mentions Japanese Role Playing Games, at least in the West, in Japan Dragon Quest is the definitive JRPG, though technically Pokémon is the most successful JRPG but people tend to classify it as a monster-catching game. Not to mention that according to the numbers that we got from some markets like Japan, Rebirth outsold P3R. However, P3R has the advantage of being a multiplatform game and its budget is probably much more lower compared to VII Rebirth
Yes, exclusivity and install base hurt the sales. The biggest reason for me is the awful new story of Remake. I didn't finish it and won't touch the sequels.