It was an unfortunate set of circumstances that came together to cause the controversy: 1. The siren at the ground was not as loud as it should have been 2. There was a strong wind blowing towards the location of the siren ie taking the sound away from the umpires 3. The umpire closest to the action blew his whistle for a ball-up at the exact moment the siren sounded so he didn’t hear it 4. The timekeepers thought the whistle for the ball-up was the whistle to acknowledge the end of the game - that’s why they didn’t continuously sound the siren as required by the rules; they were packing up their gear until a member of the public tapped on their window to let them know the game was still continuing, so they then sounded the siren a 2nd time, 25 seconds later All of which came together to create “sirengate”. In the end the right decision was made by the suits n briefs later in the week and the team in front when the siren sounded to end the game was given the points ie Fremantle. Somewhat forgotten in all of this was Fraser “Grrrrehrig” giving away THREE 50m penalties in a row to gift Freo a goal. Got a bit of history Freo and the Saints. Just ask Ross the Boss 😎
Th3 Zm0nst3r, the siren did in fact go on time. The umpires just didn’t hear it because it was so soft. The players heard it - you can see the freo players trying to tell the umpire before he bounced it.
@@campbellshaw8063 Yeah, but given the circumstances, Freo players were caught off-guard since they heard it. If nobody on the Freo team heard it (like me, who didn't hear it), they'd probably have delayed the ball entering.
As a St. Kilda supporter I was glad we didn't argue the point, Freo deserved the win. But I remember, that at the time, some of those in the legal profession, were saying St. Kilda could have taken it to court and won, given that the game isn't technically over until the umpire acknowledges the siren, which they didn't do. Would have been horrible for the game if this result was dragged through the courts. I think the AFL might have changed that rule now. Thanks, youtube algorithm for bringing me this years later.
If it had of been dragged through the courts and Freo for whatever reason lost the game, it would have caused them to fall out of the top 4. You're right in what you said, Saints had a right to dispute it since technically it's up to the Umpires to signal the end of the game, if they didn't hear it, then how can they justify the game end? So you're right in saying that. But yeah the integrity of the game would have been under fire.
@@SilentHotdog28 do you mean out of the 4 that week or end of season? because end of season ladder Freo would've finished 4th instead of 3rd with 2 less points.
Wasn't that idea of the umpire not hearing the siren countered because the timekeepers did not blow the siren until the umpire acknowledged them, and I think they may have blown it twice (just watching this it seems)
Straight after this the Launceston city council ensured louder sirens after this. A lot of people did not hear the siren. Clearly it wasn't just the umpires that did not hear it . I Think the time keeper was sacked after the game too . The sirens are very loud now too because they are wired up to the PA system
@@hawkstartrance7324 Siren must be sounded until the umpires blow the whistle to end the game. Timekeeper just blew the siren for a couple of seconds and then got busy doing other things, which is how it got so out of control to begin with.
I'm a st kilda supporter, 7 years old at the time this happened and even then at my age I knew fremantle should have won. the clock ran to 0, freo won 94 to 93. end of the story.
Siren signifies the end but doesn't determine it, the umpires call is the end of the game after the siren. It's like an alarm, the alarm doesn't mean that you are awake it just means that you need to be
Greggazz I can confirm you are correct. The umpire must blow to whistle to ACTUALLY signal a games end. My father is a former umpire for a low league in SA (though he hates them still), and he says this is true.
Agree with both comments. I'm under the impression that has changed in recent years (2019, or few years before) to the game being over when siren sounds (except for free kicks).
@@gavinmace1897 When the timekeeper doesn't continue ringing the bell if the umpire isn't acknowledging it by blowing his whistle,that rule(of the ump's whistle ending it)is apparently rendered null and void-as shown by the fact the game was later decided in Fremantle's favour by the 1-point lead they had before the St Kilda player kicked the final point.
I always thought that once the siren sounded it was game over. However, most players, if not all, stop playing and start shaking hands as soon as they hear it. I've been watching AFL games for over 20 years and it's the first time I've seen this.
This shows the pig-headedness that sometimes afflicts umpires. When the Freo players told them that the siren had gone, they could have just blown time off, and gone and found out if the siren had gone. But in the immortal words of Vera, "But you didn't, did you love?"
Umpires are mostly good lads. I agree with the Dockers comment, though. Since Freo supporters say it so much, maybe the motto should be "Well, I go for BOTH WA teams!"
Baffling how stupid Dennis Cometti was in this situation, when he’s usually on the money. So what if the clock was stopped before that final ball up? They still played for another 10 seconds after that ball up, well beyond the second or two he must’ve thought might’ve been left. Did he not see the clock go to zero? Strange.
What I still don’t understand is, why are commentators seeing a TV clock counting DOWN to zero while the clock in the stadium, which all there can see, is counting UP? It still going up even in two separate views of the scoreboard (something that still seems to be true today)? Either scoreboards should count down to zero or TV clocks should be counting up, not both. That’s ridiculous ...
@@2themoon863 Back at this time, they were still using time clocks that counted up. I don't think that changed until the 2007 season. This was 2006, and I know they were using the count up clocks in 2005. Good reference would be the clip of Nick Davis' last quarter in the semi-final against Geelong in 2005. Both the TV and stadium clocks were counting up.
rob1811 yes, but Cometti said the siren couldn’t have gone because the clock should have stopped. The clock was stopped but there was no time left after that. Both he and Dermot knew the seconds that were left, but then got lost in the excitement and forgot. Just not very professional.
Elapsed time adds tension when watching live, as you don't know exactly when the games going to end. Definitely adds to the atmosphere of the game, especially in close matches, and it definitely shouldn't be gotten rid of. If you really need the timer going down, watch it on TV
100% agree. Sacrificing tension for accuracy seems like a fair trade. And I can see by your profile picture that you're a smart lad, so you're probably right.
Robbo and the Freo coach had some amazing chemistry after this game. I have watched this video many times. It's one of the hottest and most alluring videos on youtube. I feel very strong sexually towards UTAS stadium.
Now here we are today with Sirengate 2.0 of which was between Freo and North Melbourne and Freo was robbed of kick after the siren to possibly steal the win from North Melbourne
Could someone explain to me why the TV clocks count DOWN but the stadium clocks count UP? And which is “official time”-Stadium Clocks which the live crowd, players, umpires, etc. see, or “TV time” which the television audience sees but the officials and players don’t see? I’m thoroughly baffled...
The official time keeper time is the countdown. TV gets the countdown from the official time keeper, because it makes it more fun to watch on TV. Players aren't meant to know how much time on/injury time there is so they get a normal clock as a rough indication. They use to be careful not to show the countdown at stadiums, but wouldn't surprise me if you can see the countdown at the stadium these days. The players have so many people telling them the time from the bench, runners and etc, that they know pretty accurately. The basic idea I can imagine was to stop players playing for time and slowing the game down because they could never be sure exactly when it will end.
The play was stopped for a ball up. How hard would it have for just one umpire to check with the fourth umpire. The dickheads with the whistle probably thought a talent scout from WWE were looking for refereees.
@@callan2247 I have been following football for 60 years. AFL Umpiehas become more inept over the years - especially with three umpires on the filed. Chamberlain, the worst umpire, is treated like a celebrity.
At the end when the crowd was yelling at the umpires I would like to see them umpire a game it would be hard with all the pressure so shame on the crowd
@@hodgey4679 It should be easy for people who have literally trained to be umpires. The person commenting said shame on the crowd when it was the umpires' fault. If the players could hear, why couldn't the umpires?
What a debacle. The AFL breached their own rules in awarding the match to Freo. The game does not finish until the controlling umpire signals the end irrespective of when the siren sounds.
Thirteen years on and nothing’s changed with the AFL. The review system, Tribunal, MRO and Umpires are grossly incompetent to the point supporters are wanting to boycot the game in protest.
The quarter or match ends immediately when a field umpire hears the siren, with the exception that a player is allowed to kick for goal after the siren from a mark or free kick which was paid before the siren. So it is not when he blows his whistle, it is when he hears it, therefore it is incumbent on the time keepers to keep blowing the siren until it is acknowledged. Now a days a direct feed is sent to the on field umpires to avoid this debacle again.
@john smith So you agree Rod7139 had it right then. Hmm,interesting-so your response to him,pointing out the game only stopped when the ump blew his whistle was-er,coz you like pressing the keypad on your phone?Coz Rod7139 knew that-but in that game,the necessary role of the timekeeper for that rule to be able to be correctly followed wasn't done.
What would you expect them to do? It's not their fault the umpires couldn't work it out. If an unfair free kick is payed, every player would still use it even if they know it isn't fair. Stop acting as if any other club wouldn't do the same thing.
When you look at the rules, as far as the players are concerned, the game hasn't finished until the umpires blow the whistle and call time. What's happened here is that they assumed that the siren was the barometer, and that the umpires would make the call based on the siren (and that's a correct assumption). But as the umpires didn't hear it, the game is still going, so they technically should have still been playing. That's why they kept going.
BIG money on a draw. Perhaps there was more, than meets the eye ... Sounds like a fixed match ! I could be wrong, because how can they not hear 👂 the siren 🚨... That siren isn’t exactly quiet 🤫
Technically St Kilda did win, even though the siren did go according to the rules the game isn’t over until the umpire signals it to be over and calls time. So the game could’ve kept going on for another 5 minutes if no one did notice.
Yeah, but the emergency umpire told the umpires the game was over, they continued anyway to try give st kilda the win, They even let the guy take another shot for goal for no reason to try give them a goal (instead of a draw) but eventually the afl made the correct decision by reversing it
well freo was leading and st kilda scored a point to draw it in "overtime" so no st kilda at no point won the match. it was either a freo win, or a draw
But st kilda didn't even lead once throughout the game, how could it be their technical win if they "drew" the game. It was a draw or a Fremantle 1 point win.
Interested in how Freo were awarded the game when the umps didn't hear the siren. Same thing happened in the 1980 night grand final when North got a goal via Kerry Good way after the siren - Collingwood weren't awarded the game so why should Freo despite common sense to do so
Poor Freo would go on a 10 game winning streak after that to break into the top 4 for the first time A streak only Adelaide bested with 15 that year. While St Kilda missed out on the top 4 and were knocked out by Melbourne which resulted in Grant Thomas been removed as Coach.
Umpires aren't like Pakistani cricket umpires. They did it much more subtlety, like making West Coast fly to and from the MCG twice every week in the finals.
Noodles28 Gaming I don't think it works like that. Remember GWS v Hawks this year? Hawks player punched it through a second after the siren, before the whistle was blown. Score was not given
The quarter or match ends immediately when a field umpire hears the siren, with the exception that a player is allowed to kick for goal after the siren from a mark or free kick which was paid before the siren. So its not when he blows his whistle.
@@DeadlyBlade21 an attacker cannot use any part of his body other than his foot to score unless it is accidental which would be a behind. It was stated very clearly by the commentary in the incident
The Rules clearly state that the game is not over until the controlling umpire says it is. No wonder Ross Lyon went to Fremantle, the AFL changes rules to favour them and other new interstate clubs.
I remember a cartoon in the paper of the two guys stuck in the under ground mine in Tasmania saying “even we heard the siren”....
Haha that was a classic
It was an unfortunate set of circumstances that came together to cause the controversy:
1. The siren at the ground was not as loud as it should have been
2. There was a strong wind blowing towards the location of the siren ie taking the sound away from the umpires
3. The umpire closest to the action blew his whistle for a ball-up at the exact moment the siren sounded so he didn’t hear it
4. The timekeepers thought the whistle for the ball-up was the whistle to acknowledge the end of the game - that’s why they didn’t continuously sound the siren as required by the rules; they were packing up their gear until a member of the public tapped on their window to let them know the game was still continuing, so they then sounded the siren a 2nd time, 25 seconds later
All of which came together to create “sirengate”. In the end the right decision was made by the suits n briefs later in the week and the team in front when the siren sounded to end the game was given the points ie Fremantle.
Somewhat forgotten in all of this was Fraser “Grrrrehrig” giving away THREE 50m penalties in a row to gift Freo a goal.
Got a bit of history Freo and the Saints. Just ask Ross the Boss 😎
I remember twinkle toes having ago at mundy and a few of our players he was a good player fraser but he could be a piece of work when he wanted to be
I get what you mean, but since when do AFL spectators have the courtesy to gently tap the window? He threw an empty beer can at it
MU FC:
1. There are only 195 countries.
2. Massive in 3 Australian states.
3. Manchester United 0 Liverpool 5
Connolly was surprisingly calm and reasonable under the circumstances when they interviewed him
in the end. it wasn't a draw. they gave the game to freo cause the siren should've gone before or straight after the bounce
Th3 Zm0nst3r, the siren did in fact go on time. The umpires just didn’t hear it because it was so soft. The players heard it - you can see the freo players trying to tell the umpire before he bounced it.
I recon the siren went before the bounce because it has 1 second then the ball gets balled up about a few seconds later
I’m late but the wrong call was made the quarter doesn’t end until the field umpire acknowledges the siren so a draw should’ve been called.
@@campbellshaw8063 Yeah, but given the circumstances, Freo players were caught off-guard since they heard it.
If nobody on the Freo team heard it (like me, who didn't hear it), they'd probably have delayed the ball entering.
@@doubletrouble473 The timer AFL staff see and the timer on the cards are different. As such, they don't perfectly sync up.
As a St. Kilda supporter I was glad we didn't argue the point, Freo deserved the win.
But I remember, that at the time, some of those in the legal profession, were saying St. Kilda could have taken it to court and won, given that the game isn't technically over until the umpire acknowledges the siren, which they didn't do.
Would have been horrible for the game if this result was dragged through the courts.
I think the AFL might have changed that rule now.
Thanks, youtube algorithm for bringing me this years later.
If it had of been dragged through the courts and Freo for whatever reason lost the game, it would have caused them to fall out of the top 4. You're right in what you said, Saints had a right to dispute it since technically it's up to the Umpires to signal the end of the game, if they didn't hear it, then how can they justify the game end? So you're right in saying that. But yeah the integrity of the game would have been under fire.
@@SilentHotdog28 do you mean out of the 4 that week or end of season? because end of season ladder Freo would've finished 4th instead of 3rd with 2 less points.
@@haydencooper_ If it was Drawn would be 4th, but if lost, would have fallen out of the 8.
@@SilentHotdog28 oh right sorry yeah if they lost would've been bad for Freo.
Wasn't that idea of the umpire not hearing the siren countered because the timekeepers did not blow the siren until the umpire acknowledged them, and I think they may have blown it twice (just watching this it seems)
Straight after this the Launceston city council ensured louder sirens after this. A lot of people did not hear the siren. Clearly it wasn't just the umpires that did not hear it . I Think the time keeper was sacked after the game too . The sirens are very loud now too because they are wired up to the PA system
Why would they sack the timekeeper? It wasn't his fault he was given a shitty siren.
@@hawkstartrance7324 Siren must be sounded until the umpires blow the whistle to end the game. Timekeeper just blew the siren for a couple of seconds and then got busy doing other things, which is how it got so out of control to begin with.
He wasn’t sacked he voluntarily stepped down because he felt bad about what happened.
@@AussieZeKieL That's what they say when they don't want to look bad for being sacked
@@koberulz umpire blew the whistle for a ball up right at that moment, I guess the timekeeper thought that was the whistle to end the game
I'm a st kilda supporter, 7 years old at the time this happened and even then at my age I knew fremantle should have won. the clock ran to 0, freo won 94 to 93. end of the story.
Been gassy all night and bloated, and I’ve just been able to clear some of the gas via a fart. Feels so good
The FOX or 7 timer isn't in perfect sync with the timekeeper's clock.
What a debacle
plusplusplusplusp will
My mate Clem Smith tapping on the time keepers box with his beer to let them know that the game was still going..
good on him
Look up joke in most modern dictionaries and the explanation will be "AFL umpiring"
It's not as easy as some games to umpire in fairness. But we have all felt that way before
No the definition is simply the AFL.
in the end freo won i looked it up
four days lter the afl made the decision you can read more at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL_siren_controversy
the event was 11 years ago we all know
lol ok bud
Shut up Margaret
Margaret Jordan no we didn’t Margaret as no one gives two fucks about freo or stkilda
and thats why the umpires now have the siren blown into there ear
Ahh the retarded chime never fails
@@LewisCostin Lol, I love that I understand this reference!
Welcome back to the 1800's VFL premiership
Sure was 🤣
Sirengate Is the bell doesn’t dismiss you I do
Can I ask why these two teams were playing at now called UTAS Stadium.
The Saints' had an agreement to play a couple of games a year there, similar to Hawthorn.
It was st kildas home ground before hawthorn
Hawthorn and St Kilda started playing there in 2003, then St Kilda stopped playing there after 2006.
Thank goodness it was overturned because it was ridiculous
Chaos at its best.
Siren signifies the end but doesn't determine it, the umpires call is the end of the game after the siren. It's like an alarm, the alarm doesn't mean that you are awake it just means that you need to be
Greggazz I can confirm you are correct. The umpire must blow to whistle to ACTUALLY signal a games end. My father is a former umpire for a low league in SA (though he hates them still), and he says this is true.
Agree with both comments.
I'm under the impression that has changed in recent years (2019, or few years before) to the game being over when siren sounds (except for free kicks).
@@gavinmace1897 When the timekeeper doesn't continue ringing the bell if the umpire isn't acknowledging it by blowing his whistle,that rule(of the ump's whistle ending it)is apparently rendered null and void-as shown by the fact the game was later decided in Fremantle's favour by the 1-point lead they had before the St Kilda player kicked the final point.
I always thought that once the siren sounded it was game over. However, most players, if not all, stop playing and start shaking hands as soon as they hear it. I've been watching AFL games for over 20 years and it's the first time I've seen this.
at the year that rule had not been in place.
This shows the pig-headedness that sometimes afflicts umpires. When the Freo players told them that the siren had gone, they could have just blown time off, and gone and found out if the siren had gone. But in the immortal words of Vera, "But you didn't, did you love?"
It must be easy to win games if you are allowed an extra 30 seconds after the other team has been forced to stop playing.
Why they playin at my local park lmao
🤣🤣🤣
stkilda had it as a home ground until 2006, hawks still have it as a home ground
We all know the Dockers and the AFL umpires arnt the best of buds
Umpires are mostly good lads.
I agree with the Dockers comment, though. Since Freo supporters say it so much, maybe the motto should be "Well, I go for BOTH WA teams!"
@@bearmarco1944 boo eagles yay freo
@@thesaintedphysician7644 boo the team which has been a team for over twenty years but has no premierships
yay eagles
Yay pies
Baffling how stupid Dennis Cometti was in this situation, when he’s usually on the money. So what if the clock was stopped before that final ball up? They still played for another 10 seconds after that ball up, well beyond the second or two he must’ve thought might’ve been left. Did he not see the clock go to zero? Strange.
To be fair on Dennis. It was a confusing situation
What I still don’t understand is, why are commentators seeing a TV clock counting DOWN to zero while the clock in the stadium, which all there can see, is counting UP? It still going up even in two separate views of the scoreboard (something that still seems to be true today)?
Either scoreboards should count down to zero or TV clocks should be counting up, not both. That’s ridiculous ...
@@2themoon863 Back at this time, they were still using time clocks that counted up. I don't think that changed until the 2007 season. This was 2006, and I know they were using the count up clocks in 2005. Good reference would be the clip of Nick Davis' last quarter in the semi-final against Geelong in 2005. Both the TV and stadium clocks were counting up.
The TV clock isn’t official and has not guarantee of being accurate to the time kept by the timekeeper.
@The Bristol Bruiser wrong. The TV clock is synced with the timekeeper’s clock.
The siren should have gone when the clock when to 0:00
AussieGaming_007 The siren did sound; it was just quiet that day, too quiet to hear in the final quarter.
How would anyone in the stadium know if the clock “hit 0:00” when the video plainly shows the scoreboard clock still counting UP starting at “31:42”?
This is ridiculous, why was the siren so quiet
This is why umpires now have a match communication vest.
The NRL has a phantom siren who needs to be headhunted by the AFL
Cometti really made a mess of that call!
H was like a clock in the ocean
WooshaBaloo in fairness no one knew what was going on.
rob1811 yes, but Cometti said the siren couldn’t have gone because the clock should have stopped. The clock was stopped but there was no time left after that. Both he and Dermot knew the seconds that were left, but then got lost in the excitement and forgot. Just not very professional.
This is why we should get rid of the elapsed time on the scoreboard. I don't care if the traditionists whinge about it.
Elapsed time adds tension when watching live, as you don't know exactly when the games going to end. Definitely adds to the atmosphere of the game, especially in close matches, and it definitely shouldn't be gotten rid of. If you really need the timer going down, watch it on TV
100% agree. Sacrificing tension for accuracy seems like a fair trade.
And I can see by your profile picture that you're a smart lad, so you're probably right.
Anyone actually hear a really faint buzz like a siren before the umpire blew the whistle for a ball up ?
Rewatched it five times. Never did.
u can faintly hear it at 1:24, in line with dennis cometti saying 'the clock will stop again'
Robbo and the Freo coach had some amazing chemistry after this game. I have watched this video many times. It's one of the hottest and most alluring videos on youtube. I feel very strong sexually towards UTAS stadium.
Liam u good bro?
FVopzFreezing soccer greatest sport on earth
Oh dear
1:27 or 1:28 you can faintly hear it in the background but you've got to be listening for it
Did it end as a draw or a win for Freo?
Rort by the umpires.
Now here we are today with Sirengate 2.0 of which was between Freo and North Melbourne and Freo was robbed of kick after the siren to possibly steal the win from North Melbourne
I could hear the siren after baker kicked the first one
Could someone explain to me why the TV clocks count DOWN but the stadium clocks count UP? And which is “official time”-Stadium Clocks which the live crowd, players, umpires, etc. see, or “TV time” which the television audience sees but the officials and players don’t see? I’m thoroughly baffled...
The official time keeper time is the countdown. TV gets the countdown from the official time keeper, because it makes it more fun to watch on TV. Players aren't meant to know how much time on/injury time there is so they get a normal clock as a rough indication. They use to be careful not to show the countdown at stadiums, but wouldn't surprise me if you can see the countdown at the stadium these days. The players have so many people telling them the time from the bench, runners and etc, that they know pretty accurately.
The basic idea I can imagine was to stop players playing for time and slowing the game down because they could never be sure exactly when it will end.
what a cluster f***
pure anarcy... only way of putting this lol
I thought the rule was that the quarter doesn’t end till the umpire acknowledges the siren, so shouldn’t it have been a draw??
The play was stopped for a ball up. How hard would it have for just one umpire to check with the fourth umpire.
The dickheads with the whistle probably thought a talent scout from WWE were looking for refereees.
@@kenchristie9214 I agree but that’s still not the rule.
@@callan2247 I have been following football for 60 years. AFL Umpiehas become more inept over the years - especially with three umpires on the filed.
Chamberlain, the worst umpire, is treated like a celebrity.
@@kenchristie9214 I completely agree on that part
@@Littlefella73 I agree but again, that’s not the rule. We can’t just make rules and then not follow them without changing them
At the end when the crowd was yelling at the umpires I would like to see them umpire a game it would be hard with all the pressure so shame on the crowd
Umpires are crap. End of story.
Ryan Ferry you should umpire then if it’s so easy
@@hodgey4679 It should be easy for people who have literally trained to be umpires. The person commenting said shame on the crowd when it was the umpires' fault. If the players could hear, why couldn't the umpires?
Ryan Ferry an umpire not hearing a siren is not a good representation of what their skill is on the ground
@@hodgey4679 Hearing the siren is literally a part of their job.
Nothing's changed with the AFL. Now they're continuing with a sub-standard MRS!
Vfl doing their best till now
What a debacle. The AFL breached their own rules in awarding the match to Freo. The game does not finish until the controlling umpire signals the end irrespective of when the siren sounds.
That rule should be nullified in this kind of situation and you even agree just want to be deluded
Is anyone going to take notice to the umpires being sponsored by PlayStation
yeah, i saw that, that's why they were so bad
Yep
This clearly was before your time
0:51 Not sure who the #2 is. But he had prior and it was an incorrect disposal, St Kilda were robbed of a free kick.
"Josh Carr tackled by Hayes"
no prior.
Rules were different back then
Nah it was knocked out from the tackle
But they got one later after the siren
Who else is here after the goal umpire just cheated Adelaide out of finals?
absolute robbery in adelaide poor show from the umps
Thirteen years on and nothing’s changed with the AFL. The review system, Tribunal, MRO and Umpires are grossly incompetent to the point supporters are wanting to boycot the game in protest.
Freo actually won 4 days later.
late goal
Seriously, good thing they managed to pull that as a win.
But isn't the rule the game hasn't finished until the umpire blows the whistle
yep
There's another rule stating the timekeeper blows the siren until the umpire blows their whistle. The timekeeper didn't do that.
The quarter or match ends immediately when a field umpire hears the siren, with the exception that a player is allowed to kick for goal after the siren from a mark or free kick which was paid before the siren.
So it is not when he blows his whistle, it is when he hears it, therefore it is incumbent on the time keepers to keep blowing the siren until it is acknowledged. Now a days a direct feed is sent to the on field umpires to avoid this debacle again.
smith Which he would've done but for the timekeeper's failure to keep ringing the damn bell! Sheesh already!
@john smith So you agree Rod7139 had it right then. Hmm,interesting-so your response to him,pointing out the game only stopped when the ump blew his whistle was-er,coz you like pressing the keypad on your phone?Coz Rod7139 knew that-but in that game,the necessary role of the timekeeper for that rule to be able to be correctly followed wasn't done.
How are the Saints players! going for the win after they would've heard the siren too. Geez.
What would you expect them to do? It's not their fault the umpires couldn't work it out. If an unfair free kick is payed, every player would still use it even if they know it isn't fair. Stop acting as if any other club wouldn't do the same thing.
When you look at the rules, as far as the players are concerned, the game hasn't finished until the umpires blow the whistle and call time. What's happened here is that they assumed that the siren was the barometer, and that the umpires would make the call based on the siren (and that's a correct assumption). But as the umpires didn't hear it, the game is still going, so they technically should have still been playing. That's why they kept going.
BIG money on a draw. Perhaps there was more, than meets the eye ... Sounds like a fixed match ! I could be wrong, because how can they not hear 👂 the siren 🚨... That siren isn’t exactly quiet 🤫
I relistened five times and never heard it.
Launceston
Technically St Kilda did win, even though the siren did go according to the rules the game isn’t over until the umpire signals it to be over and calls time. So the game could’ve kept going on for another 5 minutes if no one did notice.
Yeah, but the emergency umpire told the umpires the game was over, they continued anyway to try give st kilda the win, They even let the guy take another shot for goal for no reason to try give them a goal (instead of a draw) but eventually the afl made the correct decision by reversing it
well freo was leading and st kilda scored a point to draw it in "overtime" so no st kilda at no point won the match. it was either a freo win, or a draw
But st kilda didn't even lead once throughout the game, how could it be their technical win if they "drew" the game.
It was a draw or a Fremantle 1 point win.
6:12 incorrect the umpire blows the whistle it's over not the siren
Interested in how Freo were awarded the game when the umps didn't hear the siren. Same thing happened in the 1980 night grand final when North got a goal via Kerry Good way after the siren - Collingwood weren't awarded the game so why should Freo despite common sense to do so
Ones VFL the other is AFL.
@@misguidedgames2287 *_The AFL was known as the VFL from 1896 to 1989_*
@@TRBCLyour point?
@@TotalDramaOwenandNoah *_it aint different leagues?_*
@@TRBCL you don't get the point do you
All umpires involved should be sacked
ROBBED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Match fixing at its best.
Except they changed the result and freo got the points
That's not fair, poor Freo
the event happened 11 years ago we got the 4 points
Poor Freo would go on a 10 game winning streak after that to break into the top 4 for the first time A streak only Adelaide bested with 15 that year. While St Kilda missed out on the top 4 and were knocked out by Melbourne which resulted in Grant Thomas been removed as Coach.
This highlights the incompetence of AFL umpires. Play had stopped and couldn't even be bothered to confer with with the emergency umpire.
Live Betting match fixing !!! Bet them Drunks in the Drinking room at the ground cleaned right up
What a bunch of amateur fools, there’s an army of them and still couldn’t work it out.
Go the saints but that was holding the ball in the inside 50
Any chance for the afl not to give the West a fair go. Sure the eagles have won a couple but the refs are fucked when it comes to it.
Umpires aren't like Pakistani cricket umpires. They did it much more subtlety, like making West Coast fly to and from the MCG twice every week in the finals.
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sucked innnnnn
Saints robbed
Yes because the umpires continued play after the siren went, totally robbed
David Moller
How many innocent girls got sexually robbed by the saints over the years ?
@@georgeross7531 you know that was proven false right? the girl said that she faked it
Codeword
All 3 of them ?
@@georgeross7531 i think nick riewoldt's case was not so sure bout the other 2
Of course margetts was there
BullGangVlogs sorry to inform you but dean margetts was not umpiring in this game😂😂😂
That’s what I thought when I saw the ump but C. James is right he’s not there
Umpire Nichols was the offending umpire and his cohort Kennedy was in charge of the Umpiring dept for a time.
The only time I would turn a blind eye to full cans of beer being pegged at an umpire
Nah, I could think of 20 per game
the only way that freo could get a win lol
What-by being in front when the siren went?🙄
He's probably a Collingwood fan still salty about last year
@@darrylschultz9311 fax
@@user-in8tk2ty7c even more fax
It should of been a draw because none of the umpires had blow their whistle
Noodles28 Gaming I don't think it works like that. Remember GWS v Hawks this year? Hawks player punched it through a second after the siren, before the whistle was blown. Score was not given
Haha stkilda supporter
The quarter or match ends immediately when a field umpire hears the siren, with the exception that a player is allowed to kick for goal after the siren from a mark or free kick which was paid before the siren. So its not when he blows his whistle.
@@DeadlyBlade21 an attacker cannot use any part of his body other than his foot to score unless it is accidental which would be a behind. It was stated very clearly by the commentary in the incident
@@DeadlyBlade21 It was also a deliberate behind which is a free kick against you
A draw. Nice cover up umps!
Dennis is not a smart man it must be said
Hahahha let's go saints
U know it was counted as Fremantle win in the end
Ye and you are now pretty much second last (cause it’s you or Gold Coast)
DISSAWICKET GAMING up the saints
Saints = Deaf Cheats
The Rules clearly state that the game is not over until the controlling umpire says it is. No wonder Ross Lyon went to Fremantle, the AFL changes rules to favour them and other new interstate clubs.
Victorians would comment bullshit like this 10+ years after the incident either way Freo deserved to win.
You're a mong AHHA you think the afl favors interstate clubs? lmao stupid fucking victorians with their heads so far up their asses
@@stinginm8617 Collingwood gets too many frees
@@doylersafl8728 Collingwood is a Victorian team...
@@TotalDramaOwenandNoah hmmm, what do you suppose?
a poor excuse for a sport