An Advaitian, a Christian, and a Muslim walk into Vimoh
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- čas přidán 22. 12. 2023
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you legit got 3 guys from different religions in one livestream! 😂
Literally great Religious Pluralism 😊
Episode name should be "Amar Akbar Anthony" LOL!
How is he so patient with people... I would've been making 10 different types of faces while listening to these arguments 😭
Alas! I only have one face.
@@vimohlive 😂😂
@@vimohlive According to Advaita, you and Ravana are just different manifestations of the same common universal consciousness that pervades all dimensions, separated in space and time. So, my friend, you too have 10 faces, if you want to make them at your callers! 😅
He is 41years old, I really want to be as patient and calm minded as him
@@BAAPUBhendi-dv4hoikr when i hear people speaking total bs that annoys the fuck out of me
Divided by communal hatred united by irrational blvs😅😅😅😅😂
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Why is their communal to abrahmic faiths only when there is no communal hatred to jews,parsis,Sikhs,Jain's, Buddhists?
I am a billionaire. Since this sentence in itself has no internal contradictions of contigency from possibility to be existence essential basic on principles... please add more word salad to it and I am a billionaire possibly in some unknown universe!!!
Kya sar dard tha Bhai wo aadmi! 😂
You have a lot of patience Vimoh! Hats off!
And chalta-phirta scissors!!! Really 😮
The level of patience pro maxxx
Love what you are doing Vimoh!! Keep it up❤
Advait guy wasn't clear about Advaitism
Please invite Acharya Prashant if you can?
It makes no sense about debate with Advait
Why is Acharya Prashant is seen feeling frustrated 24/7 even though he talks about bliss, ananda 24/7 ?
@@thoughtspondering bcz of ppls like u
Kudos to Vimoh for helping out the guy to debate against himself 😭😭
31:23 Vimoh graciously helping out the opponent by suggesting a better argument 😂
Yeah I saw that😆😆
Quality debate skills Vimoh, keep it up. 👍
Why don't people understand the simple fact that Religion is man-made.
brainwashed from years and years
@@introvert_teenyes completely brainwashed and I feel bad for them
Atheists be talking like this and want religions people to not assume things and to go towards rationality
Why atheists can't understand the simple fact there is God
I'm a sikh my religion is man made I know! But it really matters?@
Keep up the good work! Thank you!! 😊
Such diverse discussions... and civil ones... great keep it up!
jason and his connection are both breaking and there in sync😂
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Loved today’s episode
Just want to warn the Muslim Man that Ghalib Kamal is not very generous/patient like Vimoh and sometimes and can come as rude but he has a very good sense of science and seems like a good knowledge on religious texts as well.
Ya, I've been on his stream, whereas Harris is quite calm too but he has stopped doing live stream
@@a2d2charlie13 vimoh is better than all Indian and Pakistani atheists.
That's the problem with Amit Tiwari, Ghalib Kamal etc (except Substantia Nigra) they have great knowledge but little bit rude, that limits the users to join the stream.
@@CZcams_Idee Yes but still they are much better than likes of ExMuslim Sahil like channels (at least for me). I saw one of their streams and they abuse way too much. How can they communicate if they are abusing that much.
When this man is debating intellectual Muslims from HAMZA'S DEN yt channel?
The channel where world is accepting Islam
Listening to criticism of other religions and reflecting it on my own religious beliefs, this is how i became an Atheist. I hope callers of this live-stream revisit this video and try to see the same thing. (as well as other religious people who might watch this stream)😅
It was the same with me. I used to listen to a guy named Neeraj Atri (who was a kattar Hindu) a lot on the history of Islam, it was around 4 years ago and once he said something like this (I don't remember exactly) "Allah, joki poore universe ka creator hai, ek chhoti si galaxy ke ek chhote se tare Suraj ke charo or ghomne vale ek chhote se grah ke ek chhote se registan ke ek chhote se shahr me rahne vale Muhammad ki har samay dekhbhal karta hai." I still remember those words and that's where a small seed of atheism was planted in my brain.
@@RR_theproahole can you please translate that to English, I don't know Hindi.
@@vigneshm-gi3yn sorry for the late reply it's something like "Allah who's the creator of the whole universe, cares all the time for Muhammad living in a small city on a small planet revolving around a small star in a small galaxy."
Joyboy
@@shiroyasha_007 Happy New Year, Brother 🎊😁
Excellent counter arguments @Vimoh, as always - logical, relevant and polite. You are not just creating an invaluable space for rational debating but showing us atheists how to clarify our own thinking and rebut faith-based opinions!
27:50
एक example मैं भी दे देता हूं।
My own Experience: सूरज पृथ्वी के चारों ओर घूमता है और पृथ्वी चपटी है।
Calculated belief: पृथ्वी गोल है और सूरज का चक्कर लगाती है।
We're gaining Unlimited amount of perspectives & ideas of arguments to shut up the BS, thanks a ton Vimoh 💜
Bhai ji aap bhatke hue logo sahi raste pe la rahe good job
Post hoc rationalisation through and through present in the minds of people who come to talk. But still they come with an open mind for a conversation and that's the point. It is to set aside the blind agression and just talk
1st Hindu guy and the 2nd muslim guy should try to proof their respective religions 😂 that would be one hell of a debate
Great conversation with Vipan. Good points raised and quite insightful debate.
All theistic arguments be like- hum kuch bhi nahi jan sakte for sure. Achha ok. Toh meri ye faltu baat man lo yar.
People created their oneself very strong in thier mind to live , that is god for them , around that mentality they wrote many scripture , I think . we are getting new perspective by your video , thank you .
Vimoh was so logical had to become a member to him. 😂
Need guts ( and information) for doing this live❤
Keep it vimoh, good job 👍💯👏
Good conversation keep it up sir❤
Possibility and impossibility both need to be demonstrated.
By the person who is making a claim.
@@vimohlive Agree.
Something can be possible or can not possible, something can be impossible or cannot be impossible. It gets tricky talking about it in a conversation. Needs formal language, best written down.
There is no proof of god who created a human being. But we definitely know that humans created god. Throughout the human history when we don’t have any explanation for anything we try to explain it by placing god in it and creating a mythical story to explain it.
Wow, why Mahabharata was not written from draupadi's prospective, this is actually amazing, never thought this, everyone there shud have there prospective of truth, n why not ask Draupadi, who was right there in middle of this. This shud be debated....its amazing thing that many youth are coming n putting their points, asking questions, talking, this is a very good thing, youth starting asking questions means, there r many ppl gaining consciousness before. We can say 20 or 10 yrs before, ppl used to get such questions post 30 yrs.
There is a award winning novel Yajnaseni ( meaning born out of yajna or sacred fire) which narrates a lot of Mahabharata from Draupadi’s perspective. A brilliant book. It is no coincidence that Vimoh brought it up as this book was written in Odia by Pratibha Ray. You can get translated versions. And if interested there is also a play based on it.
"Kya unke parents ne ganja vanja...." It broke me to the core..😂😂 i was crushing at the time lol
High level conversation ❤
i got headache from todays stream. Damn 😭 ... It should be paid .... premium content.... members only thing ... High level quality content today 😂 .. some were objective... Some were contingent.❤️
1:38:00 Jupiter didn't come into being after dinosaur got extinct
This was good fun ..good video
Please consider having one more similar session with pranav in it in next episode, will be a banger for sure.
Also shooting stars are meteors and space debris
Newton wasn't wrong, Newton is right but up to a certain limit.Einestein just drew a bigger circle.
Read “Parv” book written by S L Bhyrappa. It starts with the perspective of Draupadi and proceeds with perspective of every major character.
Regarding the first call on how consciousness can come out of something material: I think it is because of the complex chemistry of different kinds of materials that brings about consciousness. The caller often isolates concepts like the eye and the photon. But consciousness is all of those things taken together. Consciousness is thinking of the brain, all of Senses and their perceptions... It is a system of different processes running together.
5:29 start
Had me at Jupiter and Scissors eating food !!
oh bhai vimoh, cosmic being ka paad...you literally got me there :D :D :D
You are best sirji. I'm permanent now ❤
Vimoh Sir what is your opinion on Ashtavakra Geeta
Now, God bless themselves... 😂😂😂
Thanks vimoh, you're there.
Muslim bro doesn’t know the concept of conservation of energy. 😂 He thinks there’s an energy chain leading back to an infinite source
Lmao I commented about the same thing..and now reading your comment 😂😂
"Kya god ne cancer design kiya" .........bro fumbled so hard he had to change his argument
May I ask about where you got the inteo music from? It's really good.
I would love if someone extremely sound in science debate on this topic with the religious ones !! It would be great to learn science along with it !!
1:09:54 Basic fallacies comminuted by Muslim believer
1. God of the gaps
2. False Dichotomy
3. Bandwagon Fallacy
4. Argument from Ignorance
Also, Highly recommend him to discuss Islamic scripture with Ghalib Kamal
The chat involving the Muslim guy was such a swing of emotions! The moment you think you know what he’s gonna do next, he flips 😂
50:30 Vimoh you took the wrong example. Just ask him why god kills innocent kids through natural calamities like earthquake, cyclones and forest fires.
Example of astronaut was too great 👍
Great counter arguments
Some religions have made human real zombies. It is evident from your live sessions itself. Christopher Hitchens already said that about a specific religion.
First person was hilarious 😂
Hello can anyone tell me how can I join the call with Vimoh? Is it only for members or patrons?
The Saturday show is free for everyone. Justcome at 8 pm. There will be a link to join.
Love the title of this vid 😂
Loved the conversation, very well handled.
Just one thing: Axioms in mathematics, asfaik, cannot be proven. That's why they are assumed (because they are obvious)
(Just trying to enrich the total conversation/knowledge here)
1st Caller, don't watch too much ancient alien 😂 and don't skip biology class
There is a difference between theoretical impossibility and physical world impossibility. In theory we assume frictionless surfaces (as there is not any contradiction in assuming) but we still can't assert that frictionless surfaces are possible in the physical world or in reality. What we can say is that we don't know. (In this example we can actually conclude that they frictionless surfaces are impossible cuz we have enough knowledge about it but in the case of the universe or god we don't)
The same is applicable for absolute vacuum.
I think 'if there is contradiction in the essence of something it is impossible' is not true. Cause the square root of a negative number is contradictory, since all squares are positive. But now we know about complex numbers, so coming to the conclusion about possibility of existence of something is not correct when we do not have sufficient data
A bit about the suppossed incorruptibility of the Quranic text over the centuries.....
Two examples might suffice.
Shabir Ally, a much respected mainstream Islamic scholar from Toronto, someone who has debated David Wood multiple times about Islam : " The idea that everything in the Quran has been preserved dot for dot letter for letter is not actually a scholarly way of thinking."
And then there is Yasir Qadhi, the dean of The Islamic Seminary of America and resident scholar of the East Plano Islamic Center in Plano, Texas about the perfect preservation of Quran- " One of the most difficult topics (faced by the Islamic scholars) are the concepts of Ahruf and Qirat."
And both relate directly to the supposed perfect preservation illusion. He further goes on to add that these problems were well known to Western scholars for the last 100 years and that the Eastern scholars are yet ignorant of the same.
The problem of Ahruf especially is so central, that if accepted by mainstream Islam it literally would be the deathknell of Islam as a claimed coherent, unchanging message from God himself. And that is because the original Quran as claimed, was revealed to Mohammed IN SEVEN DIFFERENT AHRUFs variously meant as styles/ways/forms /modes. And this multiplicity of the Quranic text was exactly the reason why Usman had to destroy all the earlier divergent copies of the Quran making way for the standardized Usmani version.
So much for eternal preservation.
35:55 he forgets viruses, which are dead matter untill they enter a host body, so there are things which are partially conscious and partially dead matter.
2:21:54 That is difference between mathematical model and practical experiment. There are many possibilities but are they practically possible or testable.
Until we test these theories,these are just theories / concepts that is it. Just because we can theorize or conceptualize does not mean all of that is possible. Example comics books. IROn man , Nagraj , chacha Chaudhry.
Regarding the breathren of Peace guy's argument. He seems to be way too hung up on possibilities. I do not know how a posibility is enough of a reason that concludes god's existence.
he did not even start his argument
vimoh could not stand in the preliminary discussion to start the debate.
He has no knowledge of complex discussion except saying I don't know we don't know any data.
@@farazyt5168 i don't know is a pretty valid statement when discussing hypotheticals.
Same talk points by all the three 😂😂
I believe My religion has the authority so mine is the absolute truth and u should follow it
Loved it ❤
hats off to you Vimoh Bhai, the first 2 callers were literally children, so childish and so annoying but you didn't lose your patience..
or ye last Muslim caller ne kitni uchhal kud machayi, itna flawed and crooked logic sirf existence of God prove karne le liye..
BTW those childish callers that 24 year old Muslim boy and Jacob.. they seem to be future Atheists..😂
Dinosaurs existed for hundreads of millions of years before going extinct humans have exited for like 200k thats a very small fraction agar dinosaur crhistian hote woh bhi kehte wah 100 million saal se humpe koi metor nhi gira god loves us soo much 🥰🥰🥰
I became atheist after realising that we came from apes, and none from animal kingdom have any religions plus reading harrari opened my eyes for the better, Vimoh you doing a great job, love your skills to argue and counter
What’s harrari? Is that the name of a book?
@@fieryscorpion name of the author book is called sapiens
Some other species including elephants, chimps, dolphins and ants do have a sense of community or society that is centered around basic morality, something that could be equated to a primordial form of religion.
Bache log abc ka kitqab padke ,, poori human philosophy ki baat karre hai without even reading reasonable number of books
29:40 bhai vimoh aap savage ho yaar 🤣
Maine aap jaisa bamda jindagi me nahi dekha, aap mujhe logic study karne ke liye majboor kar rahe ho...
according to our subjective experience, trees and plants have no consciousness, but science has proven again and again that they communicate and respond to external stimuli and adapt as per their conditions. So they are termed living and conscious.
I used to find these amusing. Now these theistic unarguements are just frustrating, given how they shape the human world.
34:58 vimoh, in mathematics there is a difference between self evident and proved and we can't prove the very basics of mathematics ( this is a long debated problem in mathematics )
You can look up for this in godels theorem and can get an idea from peanos axioms.
Yes. I had a longish conversation with Pranav about this the other day. The point I was making here is that aside from being axiomatically true, we can ALSO test 2+2 and find that the answer is NOT 5.
@@vimohlive There are different axiomatic systems one can work with when it comes to modern mathematics, mathematicians generally use ZFC axioms. Coming to your point, in such a system 2+2=4 is a theorem, not an axiom. You can test if 2 apples and 2 apples give you 4 apples, but you cannot test if 2+2=4, numbers exist only in our minds and not *necessarily in our universe.
The Muslim was so dishonest to hesitate to attribute Cancer to Allah.
I bet IF ANYTHING good happens, like if his mom or dad got cancer, he consulted a hospital, they got healed, he'd say "Oh thank Allah!" & it'd be the FIRST THING out of his mouth.
I like how he blames EVERYTHING but Allah for anything bad.
"Everything good happens due to Allah,
Everything bad happens due to ANYTHING BUT Allah"
"All scriptures are faulty except mine"
~ Typical Muslim
😂😂😂😂 like hindu
😅😅😂😂all religions same ... Nonsense
Metha meetha huf.hufd
Kdwaa kdwaa Thu 😅😅
@@merahatindori.
Do you think I'm a Hindhu?
Hya Blesson cha dokyat konitari varvanta ghaala yaar😂😂Bro pass me the joint please
Learned a fancy term “Necessary Truth” 😂😂 Inventions to convince oneself that there a magical being 😅
Thanks to all believers for proving how fragile their arguments are without much efforts from Vimoh😀
How can a person join the debate in livestream?
love you men
the one thing i realized from the 3 discussions is that all the religions want you to believe that your senses aren't reliable and you just need our god to show you the truth. how else would they sell us their gods
I like how the first caller simply said "If there is a contradiction in commentaries, go with your experience". So why am I reading these commentaries in the first place??? And what if I'm convinced by Dvaita philosophy? Will that Advaita guy suddenly say I'm correct?? The first guy is all over the place.
I noticed this pattern, almost all believers come in saying I know that for a fact or yea I saw god with my naked eyes type thing. When the conversation starts rolling they always manage to contradict their own believes by saying "yes I'm assuming this" And Vimoh has to remind them what the entire conversation was about 😂
That guy around 2:11:30 sounded like Adam Seeker who's a popular Ex-Muslim from pakistan.
I am unable to join
Axioms can't be proved.
I'd also like to quote Vinoba Bhave here: "Every evening I spent an hour by the side of the Ganga. Sometimes (as I have said) I composed poems which I then consigned to the river. Sometimes I sat in meditation or in deep thought, sometimes I listened to the debates between the pandits which took place daily at the riverside. One day there was a debate between the advocates of advaita (non-duality) and those of dvaita (duality). The advaita party was declared victor. I stood up. 'Mr President,' I said, 'I want to say something.' The President saw that I was a mere boy, but he gave me permission to speak. 'Sirs,' I said, 'what you have just witnessed is the defeat of advaita, not its victory.' This contradiction of the judgement startled them, but I went on: 'How can anyone who really believes in advaita enter into debate at all? Those who involve themselves in such arguments have lost their case from the start. It's not possible to have an argument at all without recognizing the principle of duality."
In essence, if one is convinced about the truth of Non-dualism/Advait, the necessity to enter into an argument does not arise because the very act concedes the acceptance of Dualism. At present, like many others, Vipan is simply driven by a need to win an argument defending Advait because he feels uncertain himself about Advait's truth propositions and desires the safety of numbers.
You are talking about the three guys... Par bhai ye fourth wala sabse alag tha... Is vyakti pe ek paper likhna jaa sakta hai 😂
Buddha says existence of God is a wrong question . No one can answer this so why we are discussing it.
Vimoh. Itna patience kidhar se late ho
Rasoolallah ki gaand se
1:09:46 LOL I laughed so hard! 🤣
the blesson kid was pure entertainment.
He was desperately trying to win the arguments he had noted down, but ended up skipping/ignoring them once you proved he's wrong!
Vimoh is Rock 😅
You're debating kids.
Invite bernardo castrop for debating about advait view point
I think vimoh should not tell people to watch Harris sultan when we know clearly that Harris supports Israel.
So what ?
Israel is acting inhumane. We should not endorse anybody who is being supportive of Israel.
@@ahnafazizict7684 your point is only valid & acceptable if your are condemning hamas terrorist attack also.