"Is Rishi Sunak really suggesting that investigating war crimes are a 'distraction'?" | LBC debate
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- Earlier today, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said the ICC arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Hamas leaders are 'deeply unhelpful'.
This also comes alongside comments made by Michael Gove who said they UK risks 'descending into the darkness' of anti-Semitism.
Ben Kentish reacts to the PM's comments and wonders, Is the UK going to have 'less credibility' in calling out Russia and China when our own PM says investigations into our allies is 'deeply unhelpful'?
Ben is joined by World Affairs Editor for the Times Catherine Philp and Director of Public Affairs at the Jewish Leadership Council Russell Langer to discuss more.
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The ICC needs to investigate Sunak for Complicity in War crimes
Add Bearbock to that list!!!
Sunak/ starmer/ Cameron and lammy
Starmer too
@@jake751 Starmer is in opposition..... you know what that means? Right?
Starmer and lammy aren't members of our government mate. Ridiculous comment. @@jake751
Sunak is a disgrace.
Sunak and starmer
He couldn't care less what you think of him. He's £120M better off than he was a year ago.
@breamoreboy Cash not much use behind bars in the Hague...
Israel is morally far worse than Hamas.
He's worse than a disgrace
The charge of antisemitism has lost its power through continuous misuse. Criticism of Isreal is not antisemitism.
Exactly. I don't even think it's antisemitic to say that the state of Israel shouldn't exist. It is by definition an apartheid ethnostate. In order to support Jewish people, do I need to support apartheid?
@@traceuse13Good question. I don't intend to ever forgive these criminals. Am I antisemetic?
Despite lots of rage-baiting from Israel-supporters I have yet to see video evidence of any antisemitism at protests. But I've seen lots of Israel-supporters tearing down student protests in a rage on video.
Indeed because the Palestinians are also simites
@@naijaman6639 only if you associate their criminality with their Jewishness as some inherent Jewish thing rather than these criminals being horrible and also they happen to be Jewish but they could have been any religion.
I mean there are Christians who have committed atrocities but it's not anti-Christian to stand up against those individuals committing atrocities
Sunak is an absolute disgrace. The unelected crime minister needs to go.
😂Crime minister indeed
Crime minister sunak lol 😆 love it
...to jail for war crimes
Majority of them are crime ministers
😂😂😂
Supporting the state of Israel for committing war crimes is not helpful, Rishi.
Investigating war crimes is unhelpful is it? Since when?
@@sethnavabi6926reread the comment 😊
@@Andyreally @ThomasKing19933 no I got the gist of your message. It wasn't directed at you. Just a generic comment but I was so exasperated with the words of Sunak I posted it as a reply. No worries! Fully understood! :-)
@@sethnavabi6926Thank you for clarifying 😊
Hey, Kingy, what war crimes has the IDF committed precisely? I've asked a lot of you guys, but none of you seems to know?
Do you?
I'll wait.
Shalom.
Sunak is complicit. I look forward to a warrant for his arrest being issued.
🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
Only left wing radicals use the c word. You been rumbled.
US and UK were cheering the ICC for issuing warrants for Putin
The UK is a signatory of the ICC the US isn’t, Russia isn’t a signatory either. Just reminding everyone.
hypocrites indeed
Definitely, arrest warrants need go be issued for all of them.. sunak, Cameron, Biden, Blinken
That's because they weren't profiteering from the sale of arms to Put in.
But you certainly weren't!
The double standards are outrageous and unhelpful.
international law when applied to Western countries is not 'helpful'.
Rishis family is heavily invested in Israel, ofc he wants Israel to get bigger
It is not self defence when you are the occupying state.
@david Brilliantly simplistic synopsis of this complex issue. The simpletons will love it!😊
@chatham43 some things are simple, you are annoyed because its hard to do mental gymnastics against it
@@chatham43The whole situation is pretty simple. One side is illegally occupying the other.
Zionist are being called out not Jews as evidenced by the large amounts of Jews leading and in the ranks of the protesters
Sunak says Israel is "exercising it's right to self-defense" which translates to exercising a right to prosecute a war of extinction on the Palestinians
Israel is defending its OCCUPATION and not a self defense
@tom And hamas have every right to hide behind the populace knowing what israel would do. They had no alternative!
Palestinians should move to Qatar or Iran because they do not have their own country!
@@user-wq6sz7vt3w They don't have their own country because it is currently being OCCUPIED by the ZIo NOT-Z but just as their cousins were defeated during WWII, they will also be defeated and send home packing.
@@user-wq6sz7vt3wmaybe Israelis should move back to Ukraine and Eastern Europe
Rishi is a gencoide supporter
And if he isn't...he should be...being a Tory!
It's the nature of the beast.@@chatham43
I am sick of hearing that, despite his clear incompetence, Sunak is a decent human being. He is not, he is frankly evil and prepared to put self interest in front of protecting peoples rights.
not just prepared to put...actually putting self interest in front of the people he is supposed to be leading
@user And a tory too...so naturally evil. Look forward to your next thought provoking comment tomorrow!😊😊
Remember when the Conservatives had a vote on whether we should feed hungry children in our own country?
Remember when they voted no?
@chatham43 Something that can provoke your thinking? That's a first.
That the whole ruling class, under capitalism.
Could someone explain how investigating Warcrimes & holding those accountable for them is "Deeply Unhelpful" in any possible way?
just like properly investigating crimes is unhelpful for the criminals
It’s unhelpful in the fact that it obstructs money going into his own bank account.
Because HIS guilty.
You'd think a journalist would ask that question
Mass graves have been found with victims hands bound. Thousands of Palestinians are being slaughtered. This is entirely unacceptable behaviour!
Natanyahu wants the land and not the hostages.
From day 1
@user And even if he wants the hostages...he can't have them!
settlers are taking what they want. no point giving it back if you've built on it.
Spot on ...
@@niallrussell7184 Thieves can never be owners.
Natanyahu is the problem and not the solution
Netanazi
I hope it’s eye opening for the people of Britain the hypocrisy and double standard when dealing with Israel
One law for the rich and powerful. Another for us 💩🇬🇧
Most haven't got a clue. Come to think of it, how many people on the planet know about the Sykes Picot agreement?
With Israel? The UK has been hypocritical for decades with its own actions.
Remember the illegal invasion of Iraq? Or the illegal over-throw of Libya? Or illegally operating in Syria?
@@breamoreboyOr The McMahon Hussein Agreement.
Anti-semitism is a joke now 😂😂😂. Well done Zionists ❤
🥴🥴🥴
💯 feel sorry for genuine jews who also support the rights of palestinians. Holocaust victims would be turning in their graves if they seen what israel was doing to the palestinians since 1948
The snake needs to go to prison too.
@user And we can suspend his human rights too. There are limits!
Rishi Sunak unelected prime minister, is complicit in this crime, what to expect from him.
unelected crime minister
No Prime Minister has ever been elected. You misunderstand your own electoral system.
Palestinians should move to Qatar or Iran because they do not have their own country!
@@user-wq6sz7vt3w I do think that Israelis needs to move to North Dakota and Utah
We should show respect for international bodies. It’s no surprise that the Tories don’t.
@john And even if they did..we would ignore it!
Labour and conservative
Sunak the clown.🤡
He's also a criminal who would never see the light of day if our justice system wasn't corrupt to the core.
Criticism of the state of Israel is not anti-semitism, there's plenty of Jewish people all around the world and in Israel that are critical of the actions of the terror state.
I was watching Jon Stewart on the daily show doing just that earlier today.
Next week the Conservative policy will be to leave the International ICC and ICJ, the ECHR, the UN, NATO, Council of Europe, the Commonwealth, the Earth, the Solar System, the Milky Way and the Universe.
That might be a move for the better.
The Milky Way will do.... from there they can shine bright and twinkle...
@Johnny And Starmer might consider it too if it buys him a few votes!😊
Four of those we should leave - without a doubt.
It doesnt seem to be working for your mate, does it?@chatham43
Britain America and Palestine are occupied by the same power.
There is no such country or state called Britain.
@@Mark-Haddow Or America, or Palestine.
@@frogandspanner
Palestine is recognised by 143 nations.
America is a *country, North America is a region of a continent. (United States of America)
Britain doesn't exist, anywhere.
Sunak his family has a company with huge contacts in israel.. So 🙅♀️
@@Mark-HaddowBritain is the anglicised word for the French region of Brittany, so does exist, Great Britain is the island north of France and definitely exists.
"Deeply unhelpful" !!!!!!!!! Proves complicity, doesn't it??!
He doesn’t have to do it? The UK doesn’t have to do it? The ICC is doing it, and that is their job.
Prosecuter did something and that is all.
If Bibi is indicted, the UK *must* arrest him if he comes to the UK.
We are signatories
Arrest Bibi Satanyahu now
Rishi is an unelected plant
Deadly nightshade
@@frogandspannerCovolo Nero
That nails it..... there aren't even marbles...
lettuce
Our current Tories could hardly be described as fans of law and order, except when they use it to ban legitimate protests.
Sunak is deeply unhelpful
Send him to India
Key point omitted about the Jewish university chaplain is that he actually travelled to Israel to serve as a soldier in the IDF towards the start of Israel's assault on Gaza. That is why he isn't being allowed on campus, because students fear having an IDF soldier as a chaplain. He was working perfectly fine at the campus before he chose to switch loyalties to Israel. Very disingenuous, and it is frustrating that LBC presenters always seem to let such blatant propaganda go unchallenged.
Shush don't use facts it distorts the "victimhood" of some "Jewish" people. Beforeanyone jumps on me I'm Jewish and my father is a Rabbi in Kent.
Typical and unsurprising
Thanks for the info. I had the feeling that man was not being truthful, knowing how on some of the marches there were some people who went to deliberately antagonize and cause a reaction. And as for 'feeling intimidated' - that all depends on the level and the reality of any threat.
@@aeronnutley364and a brace honest man, I salute you
Sunak making excuses now as he should also be on the list of leaders at the icc
arrest sunak
Sunak should be in jail with Netanyahu
He said what? Where is the democracy in Israel cuz I can’t see it
Truth is antisemitic…
Everything is Antisemitic except the will of the Zionazis
As is being anti-Semitic...but so what!
@@chatham43The Oscar goes to Isreal
Rishi Sunak may be the worst PM ever. He never fails to have the wrong take on every issue. Liz Truss at least has the excuse that she's clearly mad, and Boris Johnson at least had a certain charm and sense of purpose, however corrupt and odious he may be. Sunak is just a useless rich boy who's completely out-of-his-depth, who takes every opportunity to punch down and simp for the super-powerful.
@Greg So what's your excuse? We'd all like to know!
@@chatham43 What's my excuse for what? What would you all like to know? If you're going to ask me a question, you need to do a better job articulating it.
@@chatham43That being the royal we? How lonely you must feel.
He's not simping , he's following his families investments best interests, look into his family and its involvement in israel
Protest in Tel-Aviv demanding Natanyahu out.
huge amount of antisemitism in Israel......
/s
I really do not understand how because a country's government was elected 'democratically', that country's government cannot commit a war in the conduct of a war?
Being a democratic country is not an immunity against war crime indictment. Rishi Sunak, what a shame of a human being.
Hindus and Jews have formed a pact imo.
Our 3 ex servicemen Aid workers were Killed/Murdered and Rishi and Cameron were only Appalled.
Your aid workers were armed and in an armoured vehicle I am appalled you call them yours.
@@jimseltzer2002 Don’t know what BS you been watching or listening.
Sunak doesn't give a toss. He only understands cash. Hence, he helped to cause the 2008 global banking crash when he worked for the TCI hedge fund.
The West placed a watch dog in the Middle East to keep control of that zone and defend their interests. The problem is that dog is now rabid and out of control.
That rabid dog has got the weapons manufactures and financial markets drowning in money, so maybe the dog is doing exactly what it’s told
@amad And about time too!
Exactly 💯%. I like to compare it with the story of frankenstien. Dr frankenstien (America) have created a monster (Israel). The monster is out of control and has been unleashed on the world.
Sunak next for complicity
Why is Sunak not investigated for complicity in War Crimes? He is providing some of the bombs and weapons used. No one is above the law.
He's right, there is no moral equivalence. You'd expect a democratically state would abide by international law in the first place.
Let rishi be rishi: he's what he is!!! NO MORAL COMPASS
Sunak called Israel a democracy? So then why are those inside the territories controlled by Israel (Gaza and the West Bank) not allowed to vote? Because they are not of a certian race and religion? Would that be Apartheid? Help me understand..
If you do not know anything, best to not speak. Try it.
You are correct. It is apartheid, and jimseltzer doesn't want you to mention it for some reason.
@@jimseltzer2002Stop being silly. That propaganda doesn't work anymore.
Nuremburg was a distraction?
Precisely.
Uk has alreadyn lost its soft power in regards of human rights through the discussion about "breaking in a limited way" and threatening leaving European Human Rights...
So , by that Logic ,russia has the right to defend themselfs bcs of the west-expansion. Case closed.
I believe that Ukraine has suffered at the hands of Russia many times over. They need to make their own decisions about to advance their country. And very brave they are about it...
Clown - Russia was the aggressor as were Hamas
Kier Starmer and David Lammy are top of the list on "Labour friends of Israel" Wikipedia page
And?
@@Nice0n3And they can't be trusted to give an impartial statement or impartial actions on anything involving Israel. Starmer's wife is Jewish and has family in Israel. There's no chance he's ever going to change any policy regarding Israel. He's bought and paid for.
This truly worries me...There had to be a reason for my Gut dislike of Starmer.
@@Nice0n3You a bit thick?
@@Nice0n3ha ha ha. It's frightening that you are allowed to vote.....on anything.
Their closing in on Sunak and Cameron there turn will come.
The way I understand ICC is only made to use for Rusia, china and Africa But when it comes to western it’s helpless, just forget it
You heard right! Israeli spokesperson said its not for the enlightened countries such as uk France America and Italy!
Yep. Shamefully, the whole thing can be simplified in football terms... When *you* fall in the box it's clearly a dive, when *I* fall in the box it's clearly a penalty.
Lol Israel and democracy . Gets me all the time , animals
Rishi Sunak, never wasting an opportunity to be on the wrong side of history...
When the Nazis persecuted the Jews during the 1930s/40s, they didn't need any excuses. Yes, Germany was crippled by international debt, but that wasn't the fault of the Jewish diaspara, yet the latter were still chosen to be a scapegoat.
By contrast, the rate of 'antisemitic incidents' in recent months have been directly attributed to 7 October. What does that tell us? That perhaps some of the incidents recorded as 'antisemitic' are in fact not 'antisemitic' but simply critical of Israel's actions following the, admittedly abhorrent, events of 7 October. Obviously, NO genuine case of antisemitism can ever be defended/justified, but a lot of the anger right now appears to be a direct response to the airstrikes/blockage of aid, water and power to Gaza, and not, as we've seen from the far-right, both specifically during the 30s/40s, and in general, blind hate towards Jewish people simply for being Jews.
Finally, NO ONE, should conflate criticism of Israel with hate of Jews, and that applies to all sides of the debate. Jews shouldn't suffer persecution for what Israel is doing, and neither should critics of Israel be wrongly identified as 'antisemitic'.
The framing in this interview is utterly repugnant. LBC should be ashamed of themselves.
I found it very interesting. War criminals should be tried for their crime's. I don't understand what you found so upsetting?
Stop supplying the terrorists on either side with the weapons to commit the atrocities.
Rishi Sunak can't spell Rwanda...Just Sayin.
@user But you finally did. Practice makes perfect!😊
@@chatham43 WOW...& that gem only took you 5 Hours. Must've burnt out the last braincell typing it to.
Also, why is there "inevitably going to be a conflict again in the future"? Does Israel have another assault on Palestine planned for the future? Please can you let us know when that is scheduled for?
I would think 2028, when a USA presidential election will take place.
Sunak inhabits a different universe to the rest of us. Little wonder he doesn’t get it.
He’s only saying that because in supplying Isreal with arms that makes U.K. government complicit in war crimes in line with what icc states re the arrest warrants in Isreal so age old case of not me guv
That's not Rishi's personal views. It comes from his handlers
Oh really. Some people only support others when the shoe is on the other foot. 🇬🇧 race riots, ask anyone who was here at that time.
I swear: Austrian! politicians today the same exact words.
Shut up Rishi
Whree is the conflating Hamas with the IDF, by charging Bibi with his crimes and Hamas leaders with their different crimes?
lets hope Sinwar and Netanyahu get looked up in the same prisonroom, soon!!!
He boils my blood! I can’t wait to line up to vote him out. Starmer is just the same, I won’t vote for him either. A human rights lawyer with no understanding of human rights. What a sad state of affairs all round
'From the river to the sea' was and is an Israeli slogan, however if Palestinians use it then it becomes antisemitic.
There are many Jews who are opposed to the genocid acts of Israel and its leaders, unfortunately there are many Jews in the UK who support these acts of national state sponsored terrorism. They are complicit and should be dealt under anti terror laws, instead of hiding behind the guise of antisemitism
England's war criminals end up with a Royal title.
What did you really expect Rishi Rich was going to say?
That uni of Leeds chaplain joined the IDF after its invasion of Gaza. That’s he’s been protested against
Sunak needs to do some studies into international law!
How does a nation end up with a Sunak as PM?
🤬Because at this moment in time there is no distinction between Hamas and the IDF! The level of brutality towards innocent civilians in Gazza and the West Bank is both horrifying and sickening. 😤
BIBI seemed more bothered being compared to the hench men of Hamas than being potentially issued an arrest warrant
He knows it won’t happen
Could Rushi be indicted as an accomplice for saying such things?
Whatever a Con says, ya know the correct answer is always the opposite...
There is no equivalent between terrorist party of UK prime ministers like Sonak and labor party
Sunak needs to step down. He does not support world organizations
There’s a difference between self defence and flattening a nation Rishi 🫣
Rishi can’t say they’re committing war crimes, whilst selling them weapons. Neither can America, otherwise they are complicit in those crimes.
It is alleged that Menachim Begin 6th prime minister of Israel never came to Britain in fear of being arrested or served with a civil lawsuit for his reputed involvement in deaths and bombings of British Soldiers and staff in Palestine between 1945 and 1948. There were Brits who wanted justice!
Sunak's family have business interests in Israel namely Infosys and they employ former IDF personnel. His father-in-law inked 1.5 billion dollar contract with BP which will come to fruition once Israel has control and possession of Gaza. Plus, he probably has his eyes on a couple of beach-front properties which are already being advertised for sale.
He should be charged alongside Setenyahu
The Tories quietly putting ''and the ICC'' next to ''Leave the ECHR'' in their GE campaign pledges.
Kosher chosen ones should not be above the International law
I keep asking the same question and no one out there gives any answer, What power does this country of about 5m people hold over the whole of the western world.. It is insane
Money. And Yes, it IS insane!
The answer lies in the events of 1916. Britain had basically lost the war with Germany so a group of (shall we call them) powerful business men offered guaranteed victory in exchange for a small favour involving a piece of land. Britain agreed, America joined the war against the side their media originally favoured an knowing Germany would not be in-charge our monarch bravely and patriotically Anglicanised their name in 1917 and Balfour drew up his agreement.
@@kriegfaust that was a powerful answer with history. I did not know. I was aware that when this Disraeli bought U k shares in the suez Canal. £ millions were to him by Rothchild and today that would be worth £ billions. I understand that the Rothchildes have all been Zionist so maybe there's a quid pro quo there
The massive rise in antisemitic activity may have something to do with the reclassification of what they say is antisemitism, criticism of Israel is NOT antisemitism!
Double standards by Biden and Rishi
Sunak was born disgrace
Interesting Russell didn't mention the Leeds rabbi going and working with the IDF.
Yes, he's saying war crimes don't matter, and he's been saying it for a long time
Hopefully this will apply against all nations, ALL NATIONS.
Given that he is one he would say that wouldnt he
I appreciate what Ms Philp said. I've been annoyed at all attempts to discredit the ICC by saying they are making a false equivalency between Hamas and Netanyahu. They have made no suggestion of equivalency. A tax cheat can't complain about being arrested by saying that it's a false equivalency with rapists. If you commit a crime you can be arrested regardless of how bad other arrestees are.
What are they worrying for ? They keep telling everyone they never break international law and are the most moral army in the world ! If warrants are issued no worries😅
Rishi sunak is a wasteman
By this metric your UK and our US Politicians all would be in jail from any urban conflict.
Many American senators promote that Israel can do anything and everything to defend itself, led by Lindsey Graham. They even proposed the idea of nucing Gaza. Other Western leaders agree with this approach, but they are not open to presenting such ideas publicly, which is why they strongly object to the ICC's decision.
No more calling for ICC or ICJ or any UN resolution as The UK AND US pick and choose what a war crime is depending on relationship not justice.