The "Anti-Batman" Dilemma
Vložit
- čas přidán 11. 10. 2023
- (((HEADPHONE WARNING, IT'S RECOMMENDED TO TURN YOUR VOLUME DOWN A LIL)))
Evil counterparts aren't an entirely new concept in superhero media. But for whatever reason, one just hasn't completely found its place in Batman's rogues gallery. Why is that?
Music used:
Batman: Rise of Sin Tzu - Where it Began
Deltarune - Spamton
Super Paper Mario - Mr. L Theme
Super Paper Mario - Brobot Battle
Sonic Adventure 2 - Pumpkin Hill (Instrumental)
Resident Evil 4: Mercenaries (2023) - Wesker Theme
Mortal Kombat - Reptile Theme
Deltarune - Pandora Palace
Bionic Commando: Rearmed - Killt's Hidden Treasures
kiwiquest - Cycles Instrumental (D-Sides)
Apologies in advance for the louder/compressed parts of the video. Moments like those will not be in future videos.
Man this is some good work. If you keep it like this I'm sure you'll find the right audience ! Love the vid ! Don't give up :)
VENOMMM
I thought it was funny
All good bro
EQ it in Audacity and re-upload. That was a nightmare.
Fun fact: Catman wasn't originally made to be a Batman doppelganger, only created one year after Batman and belonging to a completely different publisher. Catman originally was just a man raised by cats, and he was a hero who had his own comic line with a sidekick named kitten. This comic was actually extremely popular, but the publisher eventually went out of business and catman fell into the public domain. This is why you can find the character in multiple different IPs, from DC comics to Fairly Oddparents.
He was raised by CATS?
@@matthewschwartz6607well he was just raised by a tiger.
Midnighter is still my favorite.
That’s actually a different character than the DC Catman
Gail Simone wrote him very well in Secret Six.
Owlman is the most interesting doppelganger to me and has so much potential.
Especially the Lincoln March version, I love the idea of him being the secret brother that Bruce doesn’t wanna accept.
@@jimbenzo- Does he still know Batman’s secret identity ?
@@matthewschwartz6607yes
@@matthewschwartz6607 probably not it would be cool if he did
He really got nothing on nightowl
Azrael was also a great anti-Batman. Knightfall is a great read
the best.
Yeah I’m surprised he didn’t bring him up
It’s funny we have all these red hood fans now when azrael was doing his schtick years before he was a thing
@@billyboleson2830you mean azrael was emotionally hurt through Batman’s no-kill rule which lead to misunderstanding between him and bat,an?
Yes agreed 👍
The Batman Who Laughs has such a cool design, but they ran him into the ground because of how popular he became, he's sorta treated like how Injustice Superman is treated by fans. In my opinion, Owlman is the perfect doppelganger for Batman. Not only sonce owl's are seen as predators to bats, but they both are based on animals that operate the best during the night and are often be used as symbols of fear and darkness.
Just Injustice Superman (as flawed he is) is the only way i can stand Superman.
@@Acacius1992 Go read Superman For All Seasons or All-Star Superman. I’m not a big Superman fan, but even I can tell that a lot of the time movies miss the point of him. Especially Snyder.
@@Acacius1992injustice superman isnt super badly written (besides the obvious caveat of behaving out of character), but also wtf superman slaps
Judge Death wore it best. To me, the design of TBWL is just, "We got Judge Death at home."
@@Acacius1992 There are a LOT better versions of a "Superman but evil." The Injustice Superman is the vastly inferior version of Lord Superman from Justice League Animated.
The inspiration for the Injustice Superman is the Superman from, "What's So Funny about Truth, Justice, and the American Way?" which was later adapted into the animated movie "Superman vs the Elite." The story perfectly captures everything the modern "Superman but evil" fails to understand. Superman's behaviour is a choice so, when he behaves like a boy scout it's a conscious choice he's made, likewise, when the good guy turns bad it's a conscious choice as well of him choosing to embrace everything his powers can do. In the intro to the JLA episode where Lord Superman appears when he was just Superman his final words to Lex Luthor were, "I liked being a hero," and then he heat-visioned him to save the world from being nuked. That's a lot more chilling than Injustice Superman who did a murder in a state of grief.
While Homelander does seem like the typical "Superman but evil" it's a subversion of expectations since he's "Trump but superpowers" and that's fucking scary.
your talk is good, but killer moth is the greatest simply because he was in lego batman. were the others in lego batman? didn’t think so.
Bane and hush hello there
Killer Moth is the goat
@@fatherpucci8170 who's more based kiteman or killer moth
@@geobeatle both
@@fatherpucci8170 goats don't fight 🐐🐐
Prometheus was intended to be a parody of the typical “anti Batman” trope but then he just kinda stopped being that and turned into exactly what he was supposed to be a satire of
Btw the best anti Batman is Bane and it’s not even close (yes I think he counts they literally compare their backstories and mirror them multiple times) and no deathstroke fans slade isn’t a “Batman but evil!” Character….
Death stroke is anti Captain America if anything
I always considered Anarky to be the anti-Batman but less from personality and more based off their conditions. Anarky was born into a dysfunctional family with violence and crime being fairly commonplace. Batman’s solutions to crime (I’m generalizing here, I know this is different with every story) is more or less a band aid solution. He finds people doing crimes, then he stops them and locks them up. Anarky kind of realizes how pointless this is and seeks to combat the causes of crime (poverty, desperation, power, etc). Now, he’s incredibly radical in his approach and can sometimes miss the point but his existence kind of serves as a counter to Batman’s entire existence, he’s challenging Batman’s logic in a way that few other vilains can. Anyways, that’s my long winded explanation of how I few the sociology of a comic book world, hope you enjoyed.
He's not even consistently a Batman villain.
Actually bane ended up becoming Batman in a Arkham comic which was pretty dope to see
@@shadowclaw7210 thank you! You’d be surprised how many people think deathstroke is a peak human and not a superhuman it’s ridiculous. I remember back in the origins days when people would say that he’s an anti Batman a lot and like …. How? They pretty much have jack in common
The problem with these bizzaro Batman types is that Batman himself already looks like a villain so it’s hard to make an evil doppelgänger of him. Another reason they never caught on is Batman already has WAY WAY too many “rival” type characters as is. Let’s see we got Bane, Ra’s, Hush, red hood back when he was mostly an antagonist, Failsafe (who’s just a poor man’s D.A.V.E.) ghost maker, owlman, Prometheus, wrath, kgbeast, BMWL, Talon, and sadly as much as I don’t like deathstroke being a Batman villain I have to count him too and I’m probably MISSING some here! He really doesn’t need anymore!
Failsafe is more like amazo. Like he’s not an anti Batman as he doesn’t kill. And actually was built to work within the Batman framework
I would replace him with zur
@@kaison12205 honestly agreed, maybe throw in anarky in there as well tbh. Or Azrael….. and David Cain/Orphan God the list just keeps getting bigger
Bizzaro Batman?! You fake fan! His name’s Batzarro. FAKER
@@billyboleson2830but Azarel did became Batman… once.
@@kaison12205he did kill Batman after Batman fell from space
Call me boring, but I think its more interesting to have a character who is a moral and philosophical dark mirror to a superhero than just "Hero but evil." Because a lot of dopplegangers fail on what makes their rival interesting philosophically but understand it visually.
There's room for both honestly
This is why rival characters are more popular then recolor villains
@@billyboleson2830 eh, venom is extremly well known. and he's basically a black spiderman with teeth.
@@thephoenix4093 not really? It depends on the writer, but normally, Venom is literally the hatred and frustration Peter was feeling during his time with the symbiote. And when they fight, the dillema is that Peter gave up on all that power because it makes him less responsable (yea I said the thing)
@@mariogariazzo2024 normally, venom is just an angry bad spiderman. he's just a mirror.
Each anti-Batman needs to represent a different facet of the Bat. Prometheus is the big-time evil Bat that can wreck any hero with prep time, Killer Moth is works the streets by protecting crooks, and the Wrath is the soldier who's waging war on Gotham's police.
So basically if we could find a way to write a character with these three facets we would have a true anti Batman, I will say that would be interesting.
i mean, part of the issue is. the reason batmans entire rogues gallery is as great as it is is that basically every big villain is an 'anti-batman' in this sense.
Almost every villain of Batman@@anonymousoff-brand7538
@@anonymousoff-brand7538Uh, did you watch the whole video?
Killer moth is a completely different beast altogether
A real shame Killer Moth wasn't really in the Arkham games. Like, he was mentioned, there were easter eggs, etc, but it could have been pretty cool to have a whole side mission about him.
He was mentioned but red hood already killed him 😢
@@ulyssesveracruz8343 Yeah, I hate that
@@21eienni yeah me too its a shame because killer moth could work in the arkhamverse 😔
Killer moth is still the greatest
Based
🗿🍷
Based fr fr
Killer Moth actually really works at what he is - the comedic relief underdog - the loveable loser we all root for. I don't get why so many people online insist on making him a serious threat as if Batman Mythos really needed him to be one. Moth has found his niche within the rogues gallery and he works pretty well within that niche.
Also - I don't think it's the design why Anti-Batmen don't really stick - it's their personality. Their Anti-ness is so superficial that it is actually really boring. I mean, it is just as you said, so many of Batman's villains already clearly reflect his personality that a pure "Evil version" isn't needed. And what is the purpose of an Anti-Batman anyway? To have a Villain that is a true equal? Both in physical ability, access to resources, and tactical ability? Well in that case we already have an Anti-Batman who managed to stick around as a serious threat. It's Bane. Bane is everything you would get out of an Anti-Batman with the sole exception that his silhouette isn't a straight-up recoloring of Batman's.
Aslo also, dude - the entire loud equals funny joke really hurts your video, man.
Isn’t he supposed to be Batgirl’s arch-enemy?
@@matthewschwartz6607 Some of Batgirls most notable stories feature him but that doesn't mean that he isn't still a member of Batman's rogues gallery.
NO!@@matthewschwartz6607
killer moth doesn't need to be this super-imposing ultimate threat, but if a guy's entire job is to protect criminals from batman he should be competent enough to win once in a while. even if he'd lose a straight fist-fight, his use of underhanded tactics batman avoids on principle (like guns) should give him enough of an edge to go toe-to-toe.
@@vinegarenthusiast7043 or he could just be really bad at his job because that would be way funnier.
4:08 Killer Moth
7:22 Catman
10:08 Wrath
15:34 Prometheus
The one thing that bothers me about the wrath is that the killer is connected to one of the established characters. One of the most important characters. The cop that did it has to be a Joe Chill. A do nothing nobody who’s only act of note was making Batman/Wrath. But his character being someone who hates the police because one of them got away with murder essentially scot free is amazing. And very deliberately uncomfortably realistic. Any person in the wrong place at the wrong time can get shot and Justice is hard to get.
You could definitely make a great story with Wrath if you change the costume to look more Batman-ish, and make it not Gordon that killed his parents. A random corrupt cop would work much better with the parallels between him and Bats.
great video but the sudden changes in volume made it hard as a headphone user. jokes would probably turn out the same without the volume spike maybe have camera shake for emphasis instead so it’s a visual display instead of auditory. either way can’t wait to see the next video
Fr. The bass boost was way too much a headache while just saying the joke would've been hit and the same and would be just as if not funnier. Good stuff though especially moth edit
@@mgreysandersloud=funny, duh ?
I think there is also an at least decent anti Batman in “Batman: Detective”. Essentially a criminal that Batman didn’t let die, killed the family of a merc woman who actually trained with Batman before he was Batman, and she decides to wear a full white bat suit and attempts to kill everyone Batman has saved (more street level saving with records rather than universe scale). It kinda ends up being a less valid version of the red hood concept but still has some interesting tidbits.
Hell you could consider red hood an evil Batman (he even has done it directly at times) but it’s not much of an exact and he’s usually a good guy nowadays.
What's her name?
@@gimmeyourrights8292 oops
It’s equilibrium
@@legogoka-boomstudio1838 Thanks.
Oooh hey I remember that story
I think black mask is the best one. Instead of witnessing his rich parents deaths, he orchestrated it. Rather than use the inheritence to fight crime, he uses it to buy his way in essentially. And where you have the "batman's mask is Bruce Wayne," black mask's mask is... his whole personality now. I think he's perfect reflection. He's the perfect anti for both Bruce and batman
Missed opportunity
I still think The Batman's version of Wrath is the best "Evil Batman" we have that's not a _literal_ evil Batman like Owlman or The Batman Who Talks. He's a great amalgamation of the other anti-Batmen you mentioned. He's got the backstory and look of the original, but the color scheme of Catman helps him stand out against the Dark Knight while not looking completely garish like his comics counterpart. Not to mention Scorn's monochromatic color scheme is a great contrast to the bright and colorful Robin as well, so kudos there. And he's got the inverted morality and M.O. of Killer Moth as a protector of criminals, which really digs into the motivation of Batman and warps it. Wrath's parents were arrested/killed like Bruce's, so he dedicates his life to protecting others against those who wronged him in the past. The catch is, he's protecting evil people from those who wish to seek justice. It's much more interesting than him just being a glorified serial killer with a hate boner for cops.
100% agree
DC Catman is a really weird but fun take of the character but I prefer the orginal David MerryWeather - Catman from the 40s. Keep up the great work I learned a lot watching this.
Don't forget Batzarro, who killed his own parents in order to solve the crime, uses guns that have a "!MALB" sound effect, says everything he is thinking out loud, and wears a futility belt!
Good thing you didn’t talk about The Batman Who Laughs. He was so complicated that he became The Darkest Knight.
The Batman Who Laughs is a perfect example of a great idea DC had, run into the ground due to DC having zero sense of self-control. Like the concept and execution of The Batman Who Laughs first appearance is great. Granted his final battle in The Metal series wasn't great but I would argue that the metal series as a whole didn't land great. Still DC knew they had a home run with this character, so if they used him sparingly he could become Batman's Darkside; but instead they milked the character concept to death and overused it to the point where comic fans rolled their eyes and visibly grew annoyed when they saw the character.
@@alexblake5369he was never a good idea
@@charlesman8722I agree. His origin story is contrived and is much more concerned with being “cool” and edgy than actually telling a compelling story about Batman descending into madness.
The Batman Who Tries To Hard isn't so much an anti-Batman as he is the meme that "Batman/Joker can beat anyone with prep time" given flesh
I think similar thing is currently happening with Miles Morales and Gwen as Ghost-Spider - too much, and too fast @@alexblake5369
Calendar Man? A joke? He's genuinely terrifying, and could actually exist, unlike POISON IVY!
The problem I'm getting from this is that most of their motivations are just stupid: Killer Moth was basically trying to be a mercenary with a "Batman but for criminals" gimmick, Catman was just board (my mom owns his debut issue and he actually considers becoming a crime fighter before deciding that since Catwoman was reformed at the time he should just fill the void she left), the Wrath's parents were killed by Gordon (ostensibly in self defense) so now he wants to kill all cops, Prometheus was basically raised by his parents to hate justice. With this in mind, I think that the version of Wrath from The Batman had the best motivation: his parents were criminals who committed crime to support him and his little brother, so as Wrath and Scorn they run interference on Batman and the police because they see super villains like Joker and Penguin as folks trying to make ends meet.
As in the cartoon The Batman?
@@matthewschwartz6607 obviously.
Wrath is also a part of The Batman show from the 2000s alongside his own version of Robin
I think an interesting angle that could be explored for an Anti-Batman is for his "no killing" policy to be funhouse-mirrored. You don't have to kill anyone to be a villain, and there are fates some might consider worse than death.
Killer Moth is the greatest batman villain and should be respected. I am dressing up as him for Halloween, and it's sick
It's funny, Batman doesn't really have a singular popular anti-Batman, but they've tried to work the concept multiple times. Like, there's probably as many evil Batmen as there are Spider-Man clones. I'd love to see a sequel vid. Outside of the ones briefly mentioned but not discussed in the video, a couple more come to mind.
Flashpoint Batman isn't a villain, but being Thomas Wayne, he is a Batman who lost son, instead of his parents, and is a Batman willing to kill. IIRC, he even tries to stop Bruce from being Batman at one point to "save" his son? Azrael is a pretty ruthless character who was meant to replace Batman, and I love his depiction in the Arkham games. Jason Todd tries to replace Bruce a couple times, he wears a sick batman outfit after Batman "dies" to Darkside in the main continuity and poses as Batman in Injustice 2. There's also Zur-En-Arrh or whatever he's called. A weird alien/alter ego batman. I haven't read it yet, but I believe Batman Down Below involves a creepy Cthulhu inspired Batman, one who's the embodiment of everything Gotham fears Batman is. Sort of a "Mario the man vs. Mario the idea" scenario.
Great video man, looking forward to what other stuff you make.
Even though calendar man was basically just an elaborate plot device, he works so well that way in the long halloween
I loved him as a narrative device that is a part of the pacing and the tone
catman is originally a publish domain comic he got alot of adaptation/take from other media
This was really good, looking forward to your next video.
If I can make a small request, don't bass boost as hard on the Bruce Wayne joke. I have headphones on and the volume spike was a bit much.
I always thought anti Batman was....Man-Bat? Joking partially, I loved this video and get what you're saying lol
Man-Bat was an anti-Batman
Jason todd is definately an anti-batman.
Great video. I’ve always hoped we could see more from Wrath. While I do think the New 52 version was a major step down, I did like the addition that he considers his sidekicks completely replaceable. He will murder his Scorns without a second thought, and then replace them. Completely opposite Batman, who actually cares for his robins (but also immediately replaces them when they die)
If Hush counts; then Harvey counts
the anti-batman is Tab-man who ran up such a high tab by having no money that he can do nether good nor evil
Great video, you did great with it. (The stutters and stuff in the voice over gave the video a lot of charm)
oh my god dude use the disarm and destroy combo takedown please just break their shields and tasers
you're like the first person here to actually talk about the gameplay so you have my respect for that LOL
@@TheBatspecter lmaoo I don't think it's below average but if you play these games on the regular that's my first tip, break their weapons, cause you ain't even doing instant takedowns. It's the first thing I ever upgrade on any of these games
I’m surprised you didn’t bring up Anarchy from Beware The Batman. He’s actually a pretty good mirror to Batman not just in ideals but also appearance. Shame the show got canceled after just one season.
I was gonna say “what about The White Knight” but like. Lol, what about him? Anyway, @dc7981 is right, it’s totally Bane. The man born with less than nothing who trained to be the ultimate fighter and tactician for the sake of ruling over others. The man who defeated Batman by planning for his downfall and then destroying him in single combat. The man who reigned in Gotham, who murdered Alfred, who has the absolute coolest design. Joker can sit and spin. Batman’s greatest nemesis, his shadow, his dark other… well, his *greatest nemesis* is Music Meister but Bane is all that other stuff.
Bane and Batman: traumatized as children and took that trauma to become gods among men, one using his abilities to help others the other using it for himself
I think that killer moth is the perfect anti-Batman. Who is the opposite of a confident, well respected superhero, a failing unrespected super villain.
youre telling me a bat this man?
This was hilarious! As someone who also spends maybe a little too much time thinking about/reading Batman, I'd really love to see another video from you.
No fairly odd parents rep for Catman?? Bro must be a fraud 👏🏾👏🏾😭
When I was reading the Secret Six, I was struck by the realization that Catman is like the reverse of the male-gaze superheroine. He's very consistently depicted with little or no clothes so his peak physique is prominently on display, and in one of his first scenes he's cooking breakfast for the team. Further than that there are two separate characters that see Catman as "the ideal male partner," Cheshire for her own child, and Vandal Savage for his potential grandson/heir. It was just another really cool way Gail Simone plays with gender roles in superhero comics.
And also goddamn Deadshot physically can't not flirt with other guys on any team he's on, the homoerotic tension between him and Thomas Blake was insane.
Yeah I think about half naked Catman a lot. Thanks Gail.
Honestly a really good starter kind of video, I can see your content popping off in the future as long as you keep at it!!
IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE IT SAYS GAY FOR JUSTICE😂😂😂😂
WARNING TO HEADPHONE USERS!!!! TURN YOUR VOLUME DOWN!!
RIP headphone users.
A warning would of been nice.
I didn't think the louder parts of the video would be as loud as they were by the time I uploaded, so that's on me. Loud parts like those won't be in future videos
Killer moth is the best,cocoon guns ,awesome design ,cool name . He has so much potential to be a bigger threat to batman than he is he ddnt even appear in animated series and in arkham games he at least has a bio and is mentioned a lots of times , he didnt appear in too much at least the lego batman games he appears a lot but its sad that he's forgotten for most people
The Batman Who Laughs is more an Anti-Joker than an Anti-Batman.
I was NOT expecting to hear Batman Rize of Sin Tzu music
Wrath was in the animated tv show "The Batman" with the same M.O. as original killer moth
Inhales.......BRUCE WAYNE!!?
Wrath design is kinda good in the batman 2004
Everyone forgets the perfect anti-Batman, the Red Hood.
Killer Moth is peak, best Batman villain 10/10
Learned about Wrath from The Batman cartoon (and the original creation anti-robin Scorn.)
Took me 3 months to correct a minor spelling mistake, nice.
I could swear that Bane was the anti-batman
He kinda is
What do you think of the killer moth design that appears in the teen titans show
Killer Moth Supremacy 🔥🔥🔥
Killer Moth Supremacy 🔥🔥🔥
Killer Moth Supremacy 🔥🔥🔥
The perfect Batman doppleganger to me would be someone who came up with the bat vigilante shtick shortly before Bruce did, and is upset that everyone calls him a Batman knockoff when he did it first.
Owl man? Didn't he got mad that the batman who laugh got all the spotlight and not him?
I think killer moth should be the anti batman because the opposite of batman's dark and gritty vibe should be killer moths vibe of bright and silly
Honestly, I like the Hannibal lector calendar man. Great vid, btw
Yo wassup fellow Lego animator 💪🏼🗿
@@lppstudios3006 ayyyyy
@@captainmichaelstudios YOOO also they talked about my bro Prometheus 💪🏼🗿
@@lppstudios3006 catman and killer moth are my goats.
@@captainmichaelstudios FR
The gain trick is funny, you just have to lower the volume when you add that much gain to the recording of your voice.
I love that owlman isn't included in this discussion because he's the clear best anti-batman and the batman who laughes isn't included because he just sucks, they even made a comic where owlman basically says this himself
you're gonna love my next video then
Killer moth is the best one. There will be no discussion.
Honestly, Killer Moth, I feel, could be a really good "Anti-Batman" as an anti-hero, seeking to aid those who turn to crime because they don't have many oppritunities, only being a villain to Batman in order protect the goons of other villains, and will fight certain villains for going to far.
Ghostmaker is a new amazing character that rivals Batman and has some anti-Batman elements!!! I say this because as a child Ghostmaker saw his parents get threaten, beaten up, and embarrassed by a wealthy family, that forced them to sell out there business. Despite that traumatic experience, he didn't fight crime because of that. He sees crime fighting as a art form and skill he wants to be the best at.
If anything Ghostmaker's existence asks the question "what if a hero existed but didn't fight for moral reason?". Which is a interesting idea!!! Especially since Ghostmaker is one of the few characters that is a psychopath BUT isn't a villain and choses to do good, despite his lack of empathy!!! Although to be fair, he does kill criminals because he sees things from a logical not emotional or moral perspective.
Basically anti hero version of Azrael and David Cain/Orphan
@@dc7981 I agree with the Azeral comparison and David Cain to a degree. I say to a degree because although both Ghostmaker and David Cain tried to make the "perfect soldier" with kids. Ghostmaker never domestically physically abused his side kick Phantom 1 and wasn't cruel with training.
However Ghostmaker did fail Phantom 1 because he adopted him and was emotionally distance and neglectful as a foster father. He gave him a mansion to live in but never built an actual bound with him because he only was him as a test to make a "better Robin" then Batman. Which obviously is a terrible mentality to have BUT thankfully future Ghostmaker learns to be more considerate and nice to people that he trains (like Clownhunter). Since he realizes being cold hearted isn't going to help teamwork.
Unfortunately in the past Phantom 1 "dies" because they were after a villain, Phantom 1 goes off the plan and rushes in to get said villain. Then an explosion happens and he gets stuck under rubble and couldn't get out. So Ghostmaker leaves him to die in order save other people in danger infront of him. Sadly for Phantom 1 he never knew that, so he believes Ghostmaker abandoned him for no reason. Since this is a comic book and no one really stays dead, Phantom 1 makes it out alive and plans to get his revenge.
Interestingly enough, when Ghostmaker finally gets to the villain he's more brutal with his killing, which means he was angry that Phantom 1 died. So in away he kinda does care??? But doesn't feel it or express it in a way we do!!! Also despite Ghostmaker's lack of empathy and morals, he's strongly against sexuality harming children. Since when he fought Slade he insulted him by mentioning how he only goes after children!!!
Anyway I agree that Ghostmaker has some similarities with both characters BUT his personality is much more different then those characters!!! He's not always serious and can be a playful, sassy, witty, and charismatic asshole!!!
Btw I don't know much about Azeral to make an analysis on why there similar or what's there differences. However I hope you enjoyed this long response!!!
Why can't we get an anti-batman who dresses in bright colors and wrongs rights in the daylight
Basically nemesis
My favorite anti-batman character is Plummcorp's Bat Talk
I still think Jason represents the concept to a tee.
Bruce wants to fight and eradicate crime.
Jason is smart enough to know it’s a losing battle, so the best way to combat crime is to control it. And he kills whoever can’t be rehabilitated
And this is why Jason should have stayed as an antagonist
@@billyboleson2830 I agree
Grant Morrison’s Prometheus was good . They kind of lost the character after that. Especially when he wound up as Hush’s , uh, henchman? I don’t know . But he was cool under Morrison.
Killer Moth needs the BTAS Mr Freeze treatment i love him sm and he has insane potential
Make him the main villain of The Batman part 2 you cowards
How dare you hate on New 52 Wrath redesign, it's literally top tier redesign in my book.BTW Thomas Wayne Jr/Lincoln Marsh Owlman is the best anti-Batman *change my mind*
Bro got MCUified
@@TheBatspecter Classic Wrath costume looks goofy. The New 52 Wrath redesign is a big improvement and fitting, since Batman's suit has always been improved to look more practical and military-fied(?)...idk. So why not update Wrath's as well, but crank it up to 11. Wrath is out to kill, Batman isn't.
@@cybrid37New 52 Wrath’s design does basically nothing to indicate that he’s a dark mirror of Batman. You couldn’t do that iconic silhouette scene with that design.
@@bibbyboxx2219 What do you mean by it 'doing nothing to show he's a dark mirror of Batman'? I remember the comic book cover for New 52 The Wrath of Batman showing how he is pretty much a dark mirror of Batman... so idk what you're talking about... Is it because New 52 Wrath doesn't have stupidly long pointy ears? Come on...
@@cybrid37 It’s a pretty generic looking design. Wrath’s original costume is good because it’s essentially a Batsuit with a different colour scheme and a different logo. The New 52 version to me could belong to any sort of high tech military character.
Would the Flashpoint Batman count as an anti-Batman or not since he's an alternate universe version like Owlman?
7:36 GOD WHEN THAT PUMPKIN HILL KICKS IN MMMM
The only legit anti-Batman is Jean Paul Valley
Jean walked so Red hood and ghost maker could....exist
You know a way killer moth could be more menacing? Do you know how much people say batman is just a rich man that likes to beat people to a pulp? Make it be killer moth. Make him be a crazy rich guy with a boring life that wants to get out of this boredom by killing innocent people, all to lure batman into a confrontation. A fight with batman might be a great way to get out of boredom
The "crazy right guy with a boring life" kinda sounds like the Terrible Trio too
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 Yeah, but are they a thing? When was the last time they appeared on comic books?
Penguin is the true Anti-Batman.
I made a previous comment that I deleted because it was pretty rude towards the noise in this video, as I later read your pinned comment and description, but I would still recommend to avoid doing the "Get closer to the mic to scream" thing, the best way I can put it is that it's an annoying joke
OwlMan is fire he should have his own more poetic series
lovelovelove this more than almost everything on comic youtube rn, keep it up and ill stick around. but please tone down the voice clipping or drop a compressor over your voice chain because it HURTS :(
I like the idea of wrath looking like a guy who made a batsuit out of military surplus stuff like hes batman on a budget or something
Does Azrael count??? He was probably the best remembered one.
he was the best!
I feel like actually officially taking over the mantle of Batman disqualifies you from being considered an anti-Batman.
@bibbyboxx2219 I feel like it only would if he never fought Bruce. He isn't just a guy who took over the cowl and then retired, Batman had to throw hands with him. I think if you qualify as a Batman villain and you are a dark reflection of Batman, that makes you an anti-batman. I understand where you're coming from, though.
Great video! But please do not bass boost the audio. I usually listen to yt videos while I'm in the car, so i had to constantly adjust the volume
I'm surprised you didn't mention Lock Up, a villain from BTAS that also tried the Anti-Batman idea, and unlike the ones in the video that are outright villains, Lock Up views himself as a hero on the same mission as Batman but in a far more extreme method and being downright abusive to criminals and supervillains. I think he had potential but the character was kind of tailored to essentially be for one episode, so I suppose a lot of writers weren't sure what to do with him.
What i hate about these doppelgangers is that you don't really need them to exist. Every villain has the potential to be a dark reflection of the hero. Doc Ock is what Spiderman could've been if he let his resentment stew for years. Green Goblin is what Peter could be if he let his obsession with scholastic excellency over take everything he holds dear, just to prove he wasn't a loser. Two-Face is Batman's zealousness for justice taken to its extreme.
These so called doppelgangers are played mostly for aesthetics. You see their costume on the cover, with a spalsh page that says "The coming of Nega-Batman!" And you think "woah! Its like our hero was turned evil! Aint that something!"
imagine batman turned you into steven hawking💀
I think the DCAU's Anti-Batmen like Phantasm and Lock-Up have some good potential, it's a shame I haven't really seen them anywhere else.
17:41 LowTierPromethius 💀💀💀
The reason Killer Moth could afford all that bs was because he just.... kept taking out loans. Loans with banks, loan sharks, and even big villains. It's actually mentioned once that they kept coming after him to get their money back and all his shit gets repossessed
Why doesn't Batman just call in the Justice League to stop Bowser from destroying Unitropolis? Is he stupid?
I think Golden-Age Deadshot should've been an honorable mention. He even temporarily replaced Batman and had a Deadshot-signal.
That’s the silver age not the golden age
I LOVED Wrath & Scorn!! They were so neat!!! And so vexing.
Another one you left out was Anarchy, whom I felt was SO obnoxiously good at his job. And the design (Batman, but in all white) was so simple, yet so amazing! But I think he has a different name in the comics than he does from the "Beware the Batman" cartoon series, which was pretty awesome since it relies more on Batman's B- & C-list villains.
Instead of making New Villians, why not fix Forgotten Villians.
this ^^
I was literally thinking about just how many anti-batman's there are in DC comics the other day
Are you telling me that Wraith and Prometheus are more popular than *Scream this* KILLER MOTH AND CATMAN WHO MIGHT I ADD HAVE HAD MORE ADAPTIONs THAN THOSE TWO KNUCKLES NUTTS!!
Pretty good and I agree that someone needs to update Wrath, especially his costume. I think a red and stitched up version of a regular Batman suit could work.
Like Batman of Zur-En-Arrh's costume in Arkham Knight?
This is a hot take that has the potential to piss off just about everyone, but i think in terms of updating and tweaking Wrath for the modern setting, i've put a lot of thought into this and for the most interesting and impactful characterization that would really stick with people if nothing else, i think three main things should happen
>Make his parents, they always are portrayed as shooting back at the cops, make his parents unquestionably innocent and wrongly murdered by cops
>Make him a sympathetic anti-villain with a code of honor like Batman's who genuinely respects him
>Make him black
I was just thinking of the anti Batman dilemma I’m writing a story about the four anti Batmen teaming up to fight the dark knight