I Tried an Old Military Fitness Test (Compared to a Garmin!)
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You’re not just a dad, your are a DAD. ❤
The fact that you can still do 50k as a hobby is impressive.
Love this direction of your videos, in addition to reviewing and compsring fitness watches! 👍
More to come!
When I joined the army in 1984 the Cooper Test was used but not for calculating VO2Max. The result was used to calculate where you would fit into interval training meaning that if you e.g. ran 3000 meters in 12 minutes then that would mean you had to run 1000 meters in 4+2 (4 minutes run and 2 minutes recovery) interval training. We would be required to do a Coopers Test maybe once a month and the training for the following month would be calculated based on those numbers. And no, intentionally having a really bad Coopers Test was not an option as improvement from month to month was expected, and no improvement just meant extra training 😄 Also, the Coopers Test was used as a threshold fitness level where you would have to be able to run a minimum distance in 12 minutes depending on your age. I think everyone under 30 years had to achieve something like 2400 meters, as a minimum, or you could theoretically risk being kicked out.
The Cooper test is something they do in every school in Spain during PE class a few times every year. It's probably one of the most pointless situations where they can use that, I think!
On 20. April I did a CP-Test with my Stryd footpod and it included a 12 min. all out run (trail). According to the formula my VO2 max should have been 40,34281. I did 2 days later a fitness test on my Polar watch and the result was a VO2 max of 40. So it seems to be pretty accurate.
Interesting video - feels like my Garmin is going to be accurate enough without running flat out for 12 minutes 😂 like you say, more about changes than absolute value
For six years, this was a mandatory test at the beginning and end of the school year 🙂 Most students hated it, obviously ... but to me it was an easy A 😛Still is a good indicator!
Yes! in the Netherlands this was the case too... it was allways was a challenge with a lot of competitive people around :) Is this not a thing in the US ?
Fun topic and video. I've never tried the Cooper test, but might now. It is pretty cool that the watches do a good job at getting close to a lab test.
The Cooper test is standard precudure every term in German high-schools. It's simple to get a good mark, because you're just running. I really like the idea, because it's motivating me to exercise.
We run in Finland Cooper in school and army. I have been friends with Cooper decades.
Pretty interesting! Again a great effort, Dave!
I run a Cooper test once a year but I didn't know that I can "calculate" my VO2max with it. According to my latest Cooper test my calculated VO2max is 62! 😯 The Garmin estimation at this time was just 57.
I ran several Cooper Tests on a street. The longest distance was 3300m according to the Garmin 6S. The watch showed 62 VO2max at the time. I did the Math with the Cooper Test calculator which resulted in around 61,5 VO2max. So it seemed quite close.
back in the day (early 2000’s), my teammate on the rugby team told me, when he tried to
walk-on to the men’s soccer team (his preferred, and primary sport) the first thing the coaching staff has them do was the Cooper test…, and depending on your score determined if you went on to the rest of the try out.
I think it’s semi standard in the soccer /rugby world.., well that and the “beep” test (I don’t know the official name, pacer maybe)
Anyway, great video.., I will have to test myself, before I get too deep in this training cycle
I think I will give that a try. Since I started to use Stryd pods years ago Garmin rates EVERY run as a -5 to -10 in performance which brought me from a back then 48 to a now 36 VO2max. But I lost over 15kg‘s and am way fitter than I dreamed possible. And I was pretty fit already back then. I will try it out 😊
You're so close!!! Holy cow any day! And great and interesting video.
@ChaseTheSummit I just wanna point out that your V02 max score will be different between exercises, so a bike-elliptical score will be slightly off from pure running. Different muscle groups=different oxygen demands. I personally find my bicycle numbers and running numbers to be pretty close together but having a very strong upper body pushes my elliptical workouts to a whole different level
Thanks for the remainder me about Cooper test. I made it last time 2 years ago and it was very close with estimation of my Coros watch. Option with track is the best in my opinion. I should schedule test in next week and compere it with coros app, because I think that after update app in case of vo2max is not so accurate as previous version.
Love this ! Going to try it tomorrow! Great video👍
Great video! Thanks for putting this together and sharing, Dave.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another interesting vid Dave, keep up the good work! Almost 100k, great mate:)
I'll have to give the Cooper test a try sometime. Dave, what is your VO2MAX on your Coros devices? Love to hear the comparison. Nice video!
COROS and Garmin float around the same 55-56 area. Not sure which is more accurate though 🤷♂️
curious that I stopped running all summer due to injury but am cycling harder/ faster than ever. VO2 max dropped from 54 to 50 on my Garmin!
You would get surprized how many young persons can't pass this test after the pandemic. Don't mean it in a bad way more as a teacher who trys to stay in shape.
We have similar vo2max scores. I've never had mine properly tested, but my Garmin's score seems great to me. I could bs my way through the cooper test to get a higher score than my garmin. I think a 10k for me would be a perfect measurement, but that's prob excessive for a down and dirty vo2max test.
Great video, very interesting and useful information, thanks Dave. (My forerunner says 45).
Good to know information
Recently ran a Cooper's test on a track (without tapering) and based on the formula my V02 Max is 50. But according to my Garmin forerunner 255 it is 47. I think the race estimations are quite off also, and they vary surprinsingly lot within a short time period.
Watch gives a guess. Id say a generous +-5.
I have been running 5-6 days per week since the start of the year (mostly zone 2) and have added some speed work in the last 6-8 weeks. I haven’t gone all out for 12 minutes but was pretty close in a threshold session last week (10 min warm up, 19 min threshold HR, 10 min cool down). I averaged just under 7 minutes per mile for the 19:00. Im guessing I probably would be around 6:40-6:45 pace all out for the 12 minutes which would put me around 1.775 miles in 12 minutes giving me a VO2max estimate of 52.55. My Garmin Fenix 6 Pro Solar estimates me at 51 but the predominantly slower running typically underestimates VO2max so I’d consider the Cooper Test pretty accurate for me.
Very cool. Thanks for sharing!
Amazing! It's just as much as my Ergometrics!!! 😮😮😮🎉
Is there a VO2 max target you want to achieve? And when is the big 100 mile run you're training for? Anyway, congratulations on your channel reaching 100K soon. You deserve it.
I’d like to get back where I was a couple of years ago at around 56-57 but as I get older that does get harder! I’m training for the Vermont 100 Mile. I ran it last year as well. If you dig back on my channel you can find a video about it! Thanks for tuning in!
The half-Cooper (6 minutes) is better to estimate VO2max, because you can't sustain your VO2max-speed for 12 minutes.
And guided tests like shuttles or VAMEVAL are best because you don't have to pace yourself.
The Cooper test is the running world's version of a lie detector. :-) I've been doing it since the 70s, and as my age goes up, my VO goes down. Another fun video Dave-Thanks. PS. Love the shirt.
Love the video / hate all that open fiberglass insulation in your garage. You should probably get the covered and not breath in the microelements flying around from that stuff.
This is pretty standard building practice here in Massachusetts the house is brand new so it meets code. I think fiberglass is only a problem if it’s stirred up. Being on the ceiling it doesn’t get disturbed.
Awesome
Too bad the coopertest measures running to estimate Vo2max. its not a good test for athletes that are not runners. A highly trained boxere or cyclist with spectacular vo2max and cardiovascular output will highly underperform at this Coopertest. This also goes for the Garmin. It wont be able to measure vo2max for other sporters. There is more in sports than running.
Garmin will measure vo2max for cycling as well as long as you have a power meter. But yeah it’s more difficult for strength training or team sports which is why those aren’t included. Running and cycling is pure cardio which makes it easier to measure.
@ChaseTheSummit, the Cooper test primarily estimates VO2 max accurately for runners. If a cyclist with a high VO2 max, who rarely runs, takes the Cooper test, their score won't provide an accurate estimate of their VO2 max.
Hello.
Great feedback video.
Which is one best the Garmin Enduro 2 or Suunto Vertical?
I am still doubting.
Please let me know. 😊🙏
It's a matter of preference. There's no "better or worse" They're both great for different reasons.
@@ChaseTheSummit you are a great feedback and comments.
Thank you very much.
like garmin or other vo2 calculators that only look at pace its not accurate for people that are not lean or efficient running. The only close to lab result estimator i've seen is resting heart rate one for me.
Garmin's VO2 Max estimate is much more than a pace analysis. It takes in elevation gain, age, weight, heart rate data, some devices also factor in how hot or cold it was on a given day. This varies from device to device though. Thanks for sharing your experience.
@@ChaseTheSummit yep but still off 30% for me. Just too fat!
Just wondering if you experienced this also. I had a Garmin Epix g2 and I switched to an Apple Ultra. My vo2max was 49 on Garmin and in Apple health now it shows 41. My training has not changed. How does your V02 is on your Ultra? Thx.
See my other vo2 max video where I get lab tested. Generally the Apple Watch is always a little low for me, Garmin and COROS are usually similar, and Polar is always very high for some reason.
The validity of vo2max can be questioned. When it comes to runners weighing 100 kg or more, no matter how well-trained they are, it's difficult for them to run at a pace faster than 4 minutes per kilometer. As a result, the vo2max of these individuals is consistently lower than that of their lighter counterparts. Try this test with a power or watt-meter on a bike and things change very quickly.
I came here to make fun of your results but you said not to so I guess I won't. 😢