The 1800 Pattern Baker Rifle: A Tale of Two Bakers
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Honestly, Monty Python humor translates quite well to this channel.
That's good to hear!
Never thought I wanted to see the Baker figure target do the Cancan but now I know I did. Fabulous as always chaps.
At least there was some redeeming feature of it all! Cheers, Matt.
Bravo! The differences in practice at the Platoon Drill, exacerbated by the pin in the touchhole method, really showed themselves. Still, a damned fine show by both, and two wonderful rifles. Thank you very much for sharing.
Certainly two styles of shooting for sure!
I unfortunately have to abide by range rules and the beady eyes of the Schützenmeister are never far when I’m wreaking havoc on his spotless range with my toys.
@@thebotrchap those damned range officers--don't they know this is about *history*? We have the moral high ground!
@@thebotrchap which kind of lube do you use ?
@@mikehoare6093 Prelubed Oxyoke patches. For the cartridge it’s 50/50 beeswax/goose fat.
Wonderful slow motion footage of the flint strike and subsequent ignition of the powder. What a fine firearm the Baker was.
Well done Gentleman 👍
Cheers!
This has made me even more excited to get my Pennsylvania long rife to the range, which I'm almost done building and finishing. Its similar in function to the Baker but half a mile longer in barrel length.
Very nice!
Haha that intro was great, I enjoy your sense of humor bud. Beautiful Bakers and impressive rapid fire/ loading technique.
Thank you!
No Baker in my collection...yet..., although, I do have a nice example of a P1837 2-groove Brunswick Rifle I acquired from IMA - something the Baker eventually evolved into. Mated with a belted ball mold from the Tanners, she shoots very well. I love these types of videos, good work!
Very nice!
I hope you realize i *had* to watch your video before heading to bed, thusly negatively effecting how much sleep i will get tonight. Well worth it though, because your channel (as well as Chap and Bloke) is fantastic.
Well if you were looking to fall asleep,.....
*"Now that's soldiering."*
Thanks!
You keep upping the production values of your videos, it's much appreciated.
Thank you!
Hazar! Very respectable and very informative. To Britishmuzzleloaders: Cheers, and to The Chap Sante!
Thank you!
I love the patina on the waxed jacket Rob's rocking.
Haha! It's seen some service!
"....And having replenished the ballbag, he then lubricated the patches....And now for something completely different....."
Haha!
It amazes me that such an important historical rifle is not offered by one of the Italian replica makers. When the Sharpe's books went to film I thought for sure we would get a proper replica.
Perhaps in the making...
It seems as popular as the Baker becomes everytime Sharpes Rifles
Shows on a new network, that some Italian Blackpowder rifle replica company would make a decent recreation available… but so far someone wanting a shootable Baker
Has to jump though all kinds of hoops
To try to peice one together from sources that vary in quality.
I was surprised the Mexican Army had Baker rifles at the Battle of the Alamo.
Yes, the Mexicans followed closely the Army construct of the British Army.
You had me laughing so hard my child was wondering what happened. They know a bit about python so got the reference. Great presentation and comparison. Now for part two!
Great to hear! Cheers!
That is a very dapper man. Oh yes very dapper indeed
Thank you!
A Harry Lauder song might be next.....and you may have the only 1800 Casio G Shok watch in existence. All in all another fine effort!
I was thinking the same thing!
Hard to come by,.... No, you can't have it.
Love these collaborations, and who doesn't want to see a Baker rifle in action across two continents.
Indeed!
Dammit Rob you’re teasing me. The rifle shop has charged my credit card for my Baker and then has gone completely radio silent. Keep up the videos though keeps my excitement going waiting for my kit to arrive!
That's to be expected... just forget about it and in about a year, it'll show up... Mine did!
Just got mine two weeks ago after 26 months from placing the order. They charged my credit card for the rifle about a year after placing the order and then again for shipping another year after that. I received No responses to multiple emails and voice messages throughout the whole period. I suspect Covid may have effected things, but I have heard that lengthy delays are par for the course with them. Having said all that, the delivered product looks excellent and appears to be a quality product. I am really looking forward to finally getting to build it and shoot it. There will then be at least two Bakers in B.C. Then.
@@geegaw14 Funny enough I got mine just about a week ago as well. Now to try to drag out as much reference material on constructing it as I can find.
Really looking forward to part 2 and the future
More to come!
It's *cue the theme song* Britishmuzzleloaders flying Circus
‘Liberty Bell’ which, curiously enough, is also the official marching music of the Intelligence Corps.
Used before but not this time....
A lot of smoke! I like these international joint projects. Nice one.
Cheers!
So I’m a paleolithic archaeologist and my big focus is on stone tools, I think part of what fascinates me about these weapons is fact that this ancient technology is still being used. But a question is have is, in the field if your flint starts to become worn would a soldier retouch their flint to get the right surface back? Would they carry a tool for this or would something like one of loose bullets to the trick? Love these videos man, entertainment and experimental archaeology perfectly mixed together!
Have a couple of flints in your pocket, quicker to just swap them
Glad to hear you enjoyed it! Knapping was don to a degree, but every man carried a supply of flints.
Isn’t that where the word “skinflint” comes from? It means excessively frugal, suggesting it was doable but not normal or perceived as worth the effort.
@@wierdalien1 From experience, much quicker to knap. tbh. Your turn screw works fine along the edge of the flint. To change flint you need the unscrew, remove flint (and not lose the lead grip) fumble for your flint from the pocket in the cartridge pouch), set the flint into the lead grip, hold in place as you screw down whilst making sure the edge of the flint is full on to the frizzen. In theory, you don't have the many flints (you're only issued with 3). I've know guys keep a flint going for sometime by simply knapping it back to life.
They should have a turn-screw so as to be able to loosen the 'jaw screw' (the screw at the top of the lock that grips down onto the jaws that hold the flint). Drawing the cock to half-cock, the flint is easily accessible to be able to be tapped and knapped along it's edge. I can't imagine the ball itself would be of use as it's likely to be too soft, being made of lead.
Love your videos. Very informatives, never boring ,a hint of fun and sarcasm. Thank you and everyone involved. 💪💪💪💪💪💪👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Glad to hear! Cheers!
Very informative and entertaining, great work, thank you.
Cheers!
that opening shot was a very strong vibe. Hints of wanderer over a sea of fog
Indeed.
Just Glorious.
Thank you!
Sterling work the pair of you. Thank you et merci Rob and Fab. J'attends la deuxième partie!
Merci beaucoup!
Some....Sharpe...skills being shown here....although maybe not as many illegitimately born folk about as we're led to believe by Sean Bean.
I did think of exclaiming that I’d got the “bastid” after the 10 shot string but kept it child friendly
Booo,... he who puns....
@@britishmuzzleloaders Don't worry, I, like Sean Bean, am a Yorkshireman (albeit, North Yorkshire, none of that South Yorkshire stuff like). I'm also incredibly jealous of your firearm collection and uniforms.
As per usual, top notch content! Please keep up the great work! Your dedication and passion shines through on every video and is very much appreciated! 👍
Very Kind!
Greetings from a couple valleys east of you, it's been a cool spring here too. Thanks for the video again, it's always educational and entertaining. All the best.
Cheers!
Has to be the most beautiful range in the world
Pretty lucky..
@@britishmuzzleloaders am sure luck has nothing to do with it. All the best mate
Your videos are keeping me sane while I slog through the last bit of School left. Thanks mate!
Great to hear!
"Take that diaper off!" I died laughing.
Cheers!
two good shots in different environments
Indeed!
Very good video, I am sure the humid misty mountain weather was not the best for ignition.
Perhaps, but things went along ok.
A great video as always.
Thank you!
Just outstanding! Great video Rob.
Thank you!
Yes, enjoy the silliness and green trousers (serious business, that). I think those other two have been in ultra-serious Switzerland for too long. Though to be fair, I have discovered a Swiss standup club, several Swiss comedians and my old Swiss colleague was a riot (had a habit of producing a plastic pig from the pack while in the field surveying rare and endangered birds; squeaked when squeezed... the pig not my colleague %~))
Haha!
Great video. Congrats to both of you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another great video from a great channel!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent!
Cheers!
Thank you. Quite interesting.
Cheers!
Very cool, Excellent content as always! Been thinking recently about getting into shooting muzzleloaders due in no small part to your videos
Glad to hear!
Most enjoyable. I would expect no less!
Cheers!
Hazzar Hazzar excellent informative quality content from you both
Cannot wait to see part 2
Bestest from Scotland 😁😁😁
Cheers!
Best flintlock rifle for ever. Thanks for uploading new video.
I'm a dyed-in-the-wool subject of Her Majesty's Realm. When I fart it sounds like Rule, Britannia!. But even I can concede that the Kentucky Long-Rifle was more accurate in the period.
Welcome!
Salute to the Most Dapper
Cheers!
The Chap and the BritishMuzzleloader, two great flavors that blend well together. I wish Rob had worn his bearskin hat and kilted parade dress uniform for the rapid practice; he would have looked magnificent in that backdrop of fog and low hanging burnt powder smoke.
Or perhaps the rifle green,... more appropriate maybe...
If I ever have the wad of cash for one, I will definitely...Plunkett down in a heartbeat.
Oh, and a quick question : Since the Baker was still lingering on in service with Mexico when the Minié ball was developed, would there be a measurable difference in speed and accuracy? (Probably -hard- impossible to find a .62 caliber minié mould to test the thought.)
The rifling and twist is not designed for minié so I don’t expect it would produce good results at all.
@@thebotrchap Thanks for the reply, Chap. Cheers!
I see what you did there.... Round ball still in use in Mexico....
@@britishmuzzleloaders I just reread my post, and I forgot a key part of my hypothetical... that is, I bloody forgot to state that it was a hypothetical! Based upon "what if" ("If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass.") a country decided modernize the Baker with percussion lock, or just flat out copy them. However, upon further research, (thanks to you and Chap for the motivation, by the way), I had no idea of how glacial the twist of Baker rifling was. (One turn in 120 inches... woof.) The fact that most rifles would have been worn out by the time Minie or Nessler balls came into being compounds my stupidity in asking a what if question. My apologies.
Good stuff.
Thanks!
I wonder if Rifleman Thomas Plunkett chuckled "... ho ho, look at the smoke!" before killing Brigadier General Colbert-Chabanais from 600 yards at the Battle of Cacabelos.
Well, he didn't shoot that far, sure enough.....
Intro 😂 and love the history
Cheers!
Epic
Thank you!
Heck yeah
Cheers!
50 meters? That's an Imperial French measurement. Riflemen are spinning in their graves! Yards man, yards!
Yup...
Those are a quite fetching pair of trousers
Indeed!
I don't even want to know how much time was spent on that intro! 😂
Good, I'm too embarrassed to tell...
I shoot so much my ball bag never gets replenished ...
Haha!
Is it just me or does the Baker figure look like our Prime Minister to anyone else?
Leave that out of it....
I don't want to be in front of that rifle, so a shout out to the target. Still the question remains why is that target in underwear???
Well done Gentlemen, love your content!
Typical of period artwork I suppose.
O'er hills and o'er the main,
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain
Been there...
👍👍
Cheers!
UUMMNNnnn, this seems rather quite odd. Must have been all that IPA me drank down night past.
Must be.
Isn' t the Baker rifle simply a british version of german military Jägerbüchse? When i am right, the swordbayonnet would be military version of Hirschfänger.
The style of the weapon is very much in the fashion of earlier German (poss even Dutch?) rifles. It's the rifling in the barrel that is Ezekiel Baker's contribution.
It is of that lineage, yes...
A Terry Gilliam in the making?
Trying....
Rob, have you ever used your Baker for hunting North American big game?
I have not, but on the list...
It's...
Haha!
What? No hilarity you say??? o~0 well then, I must be at the wrong web site... nothing for it then I guess, one must muddle through... ^~^ And no, please do not take off the Nappy.
Haha!
You mentioned using shortening, what was originally used for the patch lube when the rifle was in service?
Bees wax and tallow.
@@johnfisk811 That's about what I was assuming, thank you.
Tallow.
@@britishmuzzleloaders Thank you for the answer.
Do you get an annual lung x-ray due to so much shooting with black powder ?
No I do not…
Chap, where did you get your "Victorian Rifleman" patch?
A long long time ago. It’s literally taken me 10 years to finally see it on something 😆 I know smaller velcro ones are available out there.
@@thebotrchap Thanks for the reply. *&^%$ RATS --- I hoped that there was a source for the "VR" patch. I have the Velcro patch but I do NOT like Velcro patches. They can be stolen way too easily.
If you go to the Forum, there might be a link there.
What is the second type of baker Called?
"1805 Pattern"?
Is one of those a jelly roll baker ?
Haha!
Have you 2 got anymore comparable firearms?
afaik that’s the only one.
@@thebotrchap Time to go shopping and beat the credit card up a bit Chap, Historical research demands it!
I think that's it...
Bernard Cromwell would be disappointed...
Oh, how's that?
:)
Cheers!
can i ask why round ball and not Minie?
Rifling style and twist rate are designed for PRB.
Kind of defeats the purpose...
@@britishmuzzleloaders sorry, don't mean to sound disrespectful. I thought the minie was more accurate.
@@thebotrchap thanks, now I understand
@@astondriver No disrespect taken, at all. It's just the Baker was a patched round ball rifle from the patched round ball era.... The 'minie' is an 1850s technology and the Baker is late 1700s tech.... so of like wanting to put a turbine or electric motor in a Shelby Cobra, if you are a car guy.... "just not right" 😀
I fear, Bakers are gonna be all you will be shooting in the future........
Time will tell.
The target has a Trudeau coif and babyface. Coincidence? You be the judge.
They just need to recolor the face with boot polish.
Let's stick to shooting....
@@britishmuzzleloaders: We're not advocating shooting anyone. 100% completely peaceful.
@@gortbot7748 Never thought otherwise,.... just no politics or hint of it.... thanks!
Mr Sharpe would not be happy with you gentlemen, more practice required, 3 rounds in 60 seconds for the rifles.
Actually, he was instructing men on the musket....
@@britishmuzzleloaders it was a little tongue in cheek......
@@coastie1961 So was I.... 😀
Rob was in much damper conditions in my opinion. Just saying!
I agree.
Sounds like an interesting topic, but between the annoying intro and the halted speech, I couldn't stand more than three minutes.
That’s ok. Cheers.
Enough of this frivolity! 🤨🥸
Haha!
Excellent!
Cheers V!
👍👍
Thank you!