So far I've used these on 3 deer. One head shot through the back of the skull, one neck shot through the back of the neck mid-way between the body/head, and after watching this video a high shoulder shot. Needless to say the head and neck shot were instantly fatal. Once I saw the penetration on this video I attempted the high shoulder shot. Surprisingly the bullet penetrated the first shoulder, the 4 petal section broke off and lodged in the spine, and the base kept going and fractured the far shoulder. The reaction of that deer was interesting because it went stiff like it had been electrocuted and fell over straight legged. I know a lot of hunters aren't comfortable with head/neck shots, but with the penetration of this bullet I wouldn't suggest heart/lungs, but a shoulder anchoring shot. Just my two cents.
I’ve shot pronghorn (less than 150 yards) with 70 grain TSX in regular vital locations with good success. Also 1 shoulder shot at 50 yards that passed through completely.
I'm having some issues with the audio on the "newish" camera. The camera preceding it still works, but it gets cranky every so often. I foresee going back to it and using the camera in this video for secondary angles.
Hi Friends I would like to say something profound but these Barnes bullets do their own speaking~! It is fantastic that they offer the bullets for our reloading and they give us the reloading information. What a Company. Don
I had to try these rounds in my Remington 700 .223 with a 24" barrel and 1-12 twist. I had to see what the would do on a deer. Boy I was impressed. That rifle took 2 bucks this season. Mine a mature 200lb+ 8pt at 150yds behind the shoulder shot clean pass through with no fragmentation. One shot kill, only half ran roughly 25yds. He was actually swaying in place after the shot and I thought he was going to fall, but he had some more left in him and tried to go...It was a humane and quick kill with great bullet performance. No fragments in the animal, fully mushroomed, clear through behind the shoulder shot.. Exit hole was the size of a penny. The second buck was my sons first buck at 14yrs. old. He had to try the .223 after he saw what I did with it...Plus he is very familiar with that rifle as he shoots it allot all summer at groundhogs. Same story complete pass through, no deviation of fragmentation and full expansion. This one fully expanded on impact as it hit a rib going in but still went clear through with a penny size hole all the way through the deer at just over 200yds. Yeah I am a believer at what a .22 centerfire can do. I do believe having the full length barrel of 24" was a factor also for our success as it was probably flying at closer to the advertised fps from the manufacturer...Highly recommended ammunition for whitetails....Cannot say if performance would be as good with a short barrel AR15.
this guy nailed it. federal fusion, gold dot, and the deep curl are the same bullets. daughter used a 62 grain gold dot in .223 to knock her first deer ever to the ground. hit it at 75 yards and it dropped within 6 steps and was a total pass through with massive damage for the caliber.
Barnes Vor-t-ex in .223 Rem is great hunting ammo. With proper shot placement on whitetail deer it is deadly. One shot = one kill no tracking, DRT; GOTALUVIT!!!
Recycle for the next test. I melted this one for the next round with the 62 gr Federal Fusion, both the "fast" load as I call it and also MSR. That video will be up very soon. Once the block reaches its useful life, I'll fill the backyard mole holes with it. Hopefully the little &*$#%@ will choke on it.
Most bullets are designed to work within a range of velocities. You probably will not get petal shedding at the velocities that match up to further distances, such as 100 yds out to 300 or so (maybe further). At almost muzzle distances the velocity is at its peak and tremendous forces are acting against those petals. As it slows down you are less likely to get the separation. If it were designed to stay together up close, it might not expand as well at distance.
Yes, BB calibration for each block, even with recycling. The composition can change one direction or another based on humidity, length of exposure out side the mold, etc.
For that speed I think the bullet performed very well from what I see. That would be a damn good coyote round. Maybe some small pigs and small deer, it has the penetration for larger. Thanks for the test. Looking forward to seeing your SKS :)
Still doing ammo reviews? Thanks to your 40cal 155 grain xtp review, I bought that round from Underwood which was half the price of buffalo bore and lead to me fulfilling a dream of mine. Not only did I take a deer with my pistol but it ended up being my biggest buck to date. That size bullet moving at 1300fps and delivering almost 600 ft lbs of energy killed that buck at 13 yards. I couldn't reach for my rifle because he came out of nowhere and was looking straight at me. Now I get to look at him every day in my office. Thank you!
The yellow thing crawling on the jug is a remellapede, indigenous to the southeastern parts of North America and their hair/coat turns green in the spring to camouflage in trees and grass... I made all of that up. "I have no idea what that is" as well, thanks for your time
reminds me of a supe high tech nosler partition, quick opening tip with a stout base to push on through. the partition was famous for shedding the front of its jacket making some impressive wound cavities and then the stout shank would penetrate through giving a good exit for double the blood trail. great test and thanks fior the video.
If a person considers a 30-06 with 180-200 grain bullets to be adequate for elk (which about anyone who's hunted elk does), then a .223 is plenty for deer. The problem with .223 and deer, at least the ones in the upper midwest, is people who use thin jacket varmint bullets with shots that require deep penetration to be effective (severely quartering away or toward, 'right up the butt', etc.) or they try a base of the neck shot and hit the front of the shoulder. With a fragmenting varmint bullet, the results are not good. I can personally say that varmint bullets from a .223, like the Hornady A-Max, are fine on even very large whitetails, even if a rib is solidly hit on the entry side (there is no exit). I've cross-sectioned a few .223 bullets so far. The A-Max has a slightly thicker jacket than the 55 grain Hornady SP, and both are what I'd call light jacket 'varmint' bullets. Fine for small deer in the chest and a bit iffy on big deer in the chest. The Sierra GameKing 65 grain has a noticeably thicker jacket and holds together much better. It's a splendid deer bullet and should do a dandy job on ANY whitetail or muley with reasonable shot placement and angles. The Nosler Partition is VERY thick jacketed and terminal performance is splendid on deer. Would probably be fine on bigger game like moose and elk if the hunter is a decent shot and gets reasonably close. Same with the TSX Barnes. PLENTY for any deer in the US.
Thank you thank you fir that review. From my experience in the field that tsx bullet is hard to beat on penatration and yoyr test really back that up. All you guys using fmj on hogs should def give this round a try. Great starter for young kids two. My daughter has taken 2 whitetails and one muley the past two years. Thanks again tn
Barnes X in .338 Win mag is the only bullets that I have used for hunting for the last 20+ years. Many, many moose, bear, caribou and sheep have been taken with this bullet.
Thanks for the video. IMHO I believe there are better bullets for varmints. I have a Remington 700 SSFV with a 26 inch barrel in 22-250 depending on the game that I'm after dictates which bullet I'll use. For long range varmint shooting I like a thin jacket HPBT. If I'm after pelts I prefer tough bullets with little expansion so it would do the least amount of damage. I think there are better loads for the money. Also if you hand load for .223 your options are almost unlimited.
Thanks, for the test. Not a bad round penetration was strong and it performed consistently. I'm definitely looking forward to the 62 grain Fusion. I have 64 grain Gold Dots that I'm using for hunting. I can't wait to see how the Fusion compares.
I'm getting too much penetration with handgun rounds in the clear gel, non-fragmenting rifle ammo will be worse. It provides a good visual and I'll use it from time to time, but the SIM-TEST provides more realistic results, IMO.
Great video! Just tested the Hornady Full Boar .223 in my lastest CZcams post. I'll definitely have to try out the ammo tested in this video. You definitely make a great case for it..
Disappointed to see the splinter of copper but I would much rather see that then see all the lead flakes from standard copper jacked lead bullets. Thanks for uploading it.
thx for the info guys. I loaded some 64 grain tsx barnes in nato 5.56 cases last year for my wife to use on Michigan whitetail. I thought I would need penetration over expansion with the relatively low powered 5.56/223. sounds like you get the best of both worlds with the deep curl.
Like to just say a quick thanks to the likes of you, Hickok45, RatedRR and many others who carry out tests like this and generally upload shooting videos. It helps when you live in a country when only the bad guys get guns ;)
Another fine video sir. I've been waiting for you to test some Barnes TSX bullets. I hand load for my game rifles and the solid copper Barnes TSX and TTSX are the finest hunting bullets that I've ever used and nothing is more accurate. Copper is not as heavy as lead so the bullets are a bit longer...this fact requires a bit more barrel twist to stabilize them than traditional lead core bullets. The spinning petals create a devastating wound channel and fast clean kills.
I've shot a few deer and tons of hogs with my 223 handloads using the Barnes 62gr TTSX out of my 16 inch AR15 with really good results. I've yet to lose a deer and only lost a couple hogs but those hogs where shot on the run at night while hunting with thermals. I also handload the 100gr TTSX in my 6.5 Grendel and the 120gr TTSX in 6.5 Creedmoor/Grendel and they're devastating on deer and hog . Only time I've ever used the 55gr TSX like you're shooting in this video is out of a 22-250 again handloading for it and I've killed a bunch coyotes and a couple deer with them but the deer we're shot in the neck or head...
I've seen these rounds in stores, but have not tried it. I get habituated in using the same ammo all the time. I might give it a shot...pun intended. Thanks for the review.
I don't think it was the twist rate. No idea. That was a negative with regard to retained weight that Barnes' promotes, but the cavitation and penetration was too good to ignore.
I've taken two deer using these bullets. Both were double lung shots and both deer croaked around 60-70 yds. I would definitely recommend a larger caliber but if your very careful about shot placement these will work fine.
I agree. This is actually not a very good Deer bullet. We lost a buck that was hit perfect through the lungs at 80 yards broadside, he went over 400 yards due to lack of expansion. Didn't find him for 3 days. I switched my Daughter over to standard 55 grain SP and they actually work much better on broadside Deer.
I still don't have much real trigger time on this rifle setup. These were the first copper rounds I've shot and really didn't notice a difference in the bore.
I've looked all through your videos and don't see any doubletap ammo. Would you consider them? I prefer the way you do it vs everyone else on CZcams. Thanks for what you do.
I’ve used this exact load for deer. One fat whitetail doe one one nice mule deer buck. Both one shot kills. It’s definitely NOT optimum for deer but adequate if you can make a clean heart or lung shot. The mule deer I could have lost because I hit the shoulder and barely got into the heart. My bad. Keep your shots under two hundred yards though.
First, let me say, I thoroughly enjoy all your ballistic test vids. Secondly, let me say, I find this test with Vor-TX very interesting. This has been my favored go to load out of my Tikka T3 with a 1x9 twist, chambered in 22-250 for coyotes. The reason I find it interesting is because, Ive shot MANY coyotes, in the neighborhood of 15 coyotes with this bullet and I have yet to have a single bullet exit a coyote. It was a very fur friendly bullet with a pin hold entrance and no exit. Yet, with the gel test, it passed completely through. Very interesting! Thanks for the Vid.
josh webster well, copper bullets are designed for max energy transfer, not necessarily penetration. Gel blocks dont have bones or skins to protect them, that's my guess why you're not finding an exit hole. If you were to use fmj or bonded bullet, you'd def see an exit hole
Hornady SST slugs? 300 gr at 2000 FPS? Earlier today I picked up a Remington 870 with a 24" Mossberg rifled barrel. Also have 5 boxes of the SST. So it will happen! That or the Winchester Partition Gold will be the first test.
I love your ballistics videos. I cannot tell you how many I have enjoyed. I was wondering if I could send you a box of Hornady LE 60 gr TAP Urban and you perform a ballistics test with them? Thanks for all your reviews.
If you look at that original Fusion load its velocity is from a 24" test barrel. The new Fusion MSR is tested from a more realistic 16" barrel, thus the "slower" velocity. But I have not chrono'd either load myself so maybe the Fusion is still running faster than the Fusion MSR.
I believe that they break up partly due to the increased velocity from the 20" barrel. From a 16" barrel or less I think they would have stayed together better and, while the penetration would still be deep 17-18" range, then would have probably stayed inside the block. Once that bullet shed the top, it's nothing more than a full wadcutter leading to the more desired penetration for HD. Still a great round that I think would be great on deer or hogs.
The new Speer deep curl bullets are made the same way as the gold dots, except they have a soft point instead of a hollow point. I think they are decent bullets and they aren't too expensive.
That's a pack saddle worm, some people call them corn worms either way it will sting the fire out of you. Recently I was stung by one maybe a 1/4 inch long on my knee I brushed it off with my hand and it got my finger. I thought I wouldn't make it back to the house the only thing that stopped the pain Sting ez
The heavier grain version (70g) of this is used by special operations. Its a toss up between this and the Black Hills. Personally, I use the Black Hills.
I have shot a number of deer with the .30 caliber version with an impact velocity between 2700 and 2770fps. Broadside is always a pass through with a serious exit wound. Low necks shots penetrate 20-24". Not a bad load IMO...even if you live in a place where lead bullets are allowed.
This video confirms my pet peeve bothers the snot out of me when people say this caliber is great for pigs....in my area pigs can get well above 300lbs with average 200lbs
yessir! :) it was full of alfalfa. i normally use my 300 win mag for most my hunting but i figured it would be fun to try with the tavor since i know it will drop em. plus i dropped a black bear in the spring with the 223 :) big animals where i live too, i live in British Columbia, Canada.
Very eye-opening video about all copper ammo! Seems they're not the indestructible projectiles people think they are. I've wondered how a Speer Gold Dot "rifle bullet" would perform. I know they don't make them, but if they applied their gold dot tech to a .223 or .308 how would it perform? any thoughts?
Relative to ammo testing and overall shooting.....I just gotta say it, if anyone is listening....... 7.62x39 RUSSIAN 1951 TULA SKS placed on layaway today for pick-up in a few days. Ok, got that over with. :-)
So far I've used these on 3 deer. One head shot through the back of the skull, one neck shot through the back of the neck mid-way between the body/head, and after watching this video a high shoulder shot. Needless to say the head and neck shot were instantly fatal. Once I saw the penetration on this video I attempted the high shoulder shot. Surprisingly the bullet penetrated the first shoulder, the 4 petal section broke off and lodged in the spine, and the base kept going and fractured the far shoulder. The reaction of that deer was interesting because it went stiff like it had been electrocuted and fell over straight legged. I know a lot of hunters aren't comfortable with head/neck shots, but with the penetration of this bullet I wouldn't suggest heart/lungs, but a shoulder anchoring shot. Just my two cents.
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I’ve shot pronghorn (less than 150 yards) with 70 grain TSX in regular vital locations with good success. Also 1 shoulder shot at 50 yards that passed through completely.
Wait until you see the 62 gr Fusion at 50 yards. After viewing that, I can only imagine its potential at room distance. Beast.
tnoutdoors9 bonded bullets definitely seem like best option for non armored targets.
My home defence round of choice. 👍🏻
I like how TN say's at the end, "Thanks for watching." It's more like, "Thanks for posting another awesome and well done review!"
Wow, finally somebody on YT that uses actual scientific methods for ballistic tests. Highly impressive.
I'm having some issues with the audio on the "newish" camera. The camera preceding it still works, but it gets cranky every so often. I foresee going back to it and using the camera in this video for secondary angles.
I love those Barnes solids. They did great on my last two mule deer. Thanks for doing the science for us brother! :)
Hi Friends
I would like to say something profound but these Barnes bullets do their own speaking~! It is fantastic that they offer the bullets for our reloading and they give us the reloading information. What a Company. Don
I had to try these rounds in my Remington 700 .223 with a 24" barrel and 1-12 twist. I had to see what the would do on a deer. Boy I was impressed. That rifle took 2 bucks this season. Mine a mature 200lb+ 8pt at 150yds behind the shoulder shot clean pass through with no fragmentation. One shot kill, only half ran roughly 25yds. He was actually swaying in place after the shot and I thought he was going to fall, but he had some more left in him and tried to go...It was a humane and quick kill with great bullet performance. No fragments in the animal, fully mushroomed, clear through behind the shoulder shot.. Exit hole was the size of a penny. The second buck was my sons first buck at 14yrs. old. He had to try the .223 after he saw what I did with it...Plus he is very familiar with that rifle as he shoots it allot all summer at groundhogs. Same story complete pass through, no deviation of fragmentation and full expansion. This one fully expanded on impact as it hit a rib going in but still went clear through with a penny size hole all the way through the deer at just over 200yds. Yeah I am a believer at what a .22 centerfire can do. I do believe having the full length barrel of 24" was a factor also for our success as it was probably flying at closer to the advertised fps from the manufacturer...Highly recommended ammunition for whitetails....Cannot say if performance would be as good with a short barrel AR15.
Man, I have watched all of your videos a couple times. They never get old!
Love the content, &ope you make your way back some time.
Great review. Thank you for your time, you have some of the best ammo reviews on YT.
Thanks again.
Looks like shrinkage us not limited to the pool. Great vid as always
"I have no idea what that is" LOL!
I need to check that out. Picked up some 7.62x39 Federal Fusion tonight. Might also run some FMJ through the block.
this guy nailed it. federal fusion, gold dot, and the deep curl are the same bullets. daughter used a 62 grain gold dot in .223 to knock her first deer ever to the ground. hit it at 75 yards and it dropped within 6 steps and was a total pass through with massive damage for the caliber.
My favorite channel on CZcams! Thanks tn, great job!
Barnes Vor-t-ex in .223 Rem is great hunting ammo. With proper shot placement on whitetail deer it is deadly. One shot = one kill no tracking, DRT; GOTALUVIT!!!
Fantastic report. Thanks for recording all the fun you have and posting it.
It is great that there is a viable option for our brothers in CA. It is terrible that they need one.
"I have no idea what that is" hahahahaha
Recycle for the next test. I melted this one for the next round with the 62 gr Federal Fusion, both the "fast" load as I call it and also MSR. That video will be up very soon.
Once the block reaches its useful life, I'll fill the backyard mole holes with it. Hopefully the little &*$#%@ will choke on it.
Most bullets are designed to work within a range of velocities. You probably will not get petal shedding at the velocities that match up to further distances, such as 100 yds out to 300 or so (maybe further). At almost muzzle distances the velocity is at its peak and tremendous forces are acting against those petals. As it slows down you are less likely to get the separation. If it were designed to stay together up close, it might not expand as well at distance.
Yes, BB calibration for each block, even with recycling. The composition can change one direction or another based on humidity, length of exposure out side the mold, etc.
Great vid. Great to have you back doing them again !!
For that speed I think the bullet performed very well from what I see. That would be a damn good coyote round. Maybe some small pigs and small deer, it has the penetration for larger. Thanks for the test. Looking forward to seeing your SKS :)
Still doing ammo reviews?
Thanks to your 40cal 155 grain xtp review, I bought that round from Underwood which was half the price of buffalo bore and lead to me fulfilling a dream of mine. Not only did I take a deer with my pistol but it ended up being my biggest buck to date. That size bullet moving at 1300fps and delivering almost 600 ft lbs of energy killed that buck at 13 yards. I couldn't reach for my rifle because he came out of nowhere and was looking straight at me. Now I get to look at him every day in my office. Thank you!
The yellow thing crawling on the jug is a remellapede, indigenous to the southeastern parts of North America and their hair/coat turns green in the spring to camouflage in trees and grass... I made all of that up. "I have no idea what that is" as well, thanks for your time
outstanding I have not seen a video posted from you for a while now,I pray everything is ok with you God Bless you Brother.
Great presentation ! (As usual!) 🇺🇸
reminds me of a supe high tech nosler partition, quick opening tip with a stout base to push on through. the partition was famous for shedding the front of its jacket making some impressive wound cavities and then the stout shank would penetrate through giving a good exit for double the blood trail. great test and thanks fior the video.
I use these (barnes) in my 243. I shoot 80 grain and they definitely do the trick on deer and predators.
I'm thinking it was some form of NSA micro land crawler. Probably loaded with AV technology, mapping my backyard in preparation for who knows what.
If a person considers a 30-06 with 180-200 grain bullets to be adequate for elk (which about anyone who's hunted elk does), then a .223 is plenty for deer. The problem with .223 and deer, at least the ones in the upper midwest, is people who use thin jacket varmint bullets with shots that require deep penetration to be effective (severely quartering away or toward, 'right up the butt', etc.) or they try a base of the neck shot and hit the front of the shoulder. With a fragmenting varmint bullet, the results are not good. I can personally say that varmint bullets from a .223, like the Hornady A-Max, are fine on even very large whitetails, even if a rib is solidly hit on the entry side (there is no exit). I've cross-sectioned a few .223 bullets so far. The A-Max has a slightly thicker jacket than the 55 grain Hornady SP, and both are what I'd call light jacket 'varmint' bullets. Fine for small deer in the chest and a bit iffy on big deer in the chest. The Sierra GameKing 65 grain has a noticeably thicker jacket and holds together much better. It's a splendid deer bullet and should do a dandy job on ANY whitetail or muley with reasonable shot placement and angles. The Nosler Partition is VERY thick jacketed and terminal performance is splendid on deer. Would probably be fine on bigger game like moose and elk if the hunter is a decent shot and gets reasonably close. Same with the TSX Barnes. PLENTY for any deer in the US.
Great video
Thank you thank you fir that review. From my experience in the field that tsx bullet is hard to beat on penatration and yoyr test really back that up. All you guys using fmj on hogs should def give this round a try. Great starter for young kids two. My daughter has taken 2 whitetails and one muley the past two years. Thanks again tn
Barnes X in .338 Win mag is the only bullets that I have used for hunting for the last 20+ years. Many, many moose, bear, caribou and sheep have been taken with this bullet.
Fusion is advertised faster than the Fusion MSR, but my chronograph gave me some surprising numbers. That video is up next.
I'm with you, .270 or .243. Both are used quite a bit in these parts. Ballistics on both calibers kick butt against the .223.
Thanks for the video. IMHO I believe there are better bullets for varmints. I have a Remington 700 SSFV with a 26 inch barrel in 22-250 depending on the game that I'm after dictates which bullet I'll use. For long range varmint shooting I like a thin jacket HPBT. If I'm after pelts I prefer tough bullets with little expansion so it would do the least amount of damage. I think there are better loads for the money. Also if you hand load for .223 your options are almost unlimited.
Thanks, for the test. Not a bad round penetration was strong and it performed consistently. I'm definitely looking forward to the 62 grain Fusion. I have 64 grain Gold Dots that I'm using for hunting. I can't wait to see how the Fusion compares.
I love the Barnes ammo 223
I'm getting too much penetration with handgun rounds in the clear gel, non-fragmenting rifle ammo will be worse. It provides a good visual and I'll use it from time to time, but the SIM-TEST provides more realistic results, IMO.
Great video! Just tested the Hornady Full Boar .223 in my lastest CZcams post. I'll definitely have to try out the ammo tested in this video. You definitely make a great case for it..
Disappointed to see the splinter of copper but I would much rather see that then see all the lead flakes from standard copper jacked lead bullets. Thanks for uploading it.
Damn dude, good video.
You always do an excellent bullet review, I don't care what they say about you. Lol. Great video
thx for the info guys. I loaded some 64 grain tsx barnes in nato 5.56 cases last year for my wife to use on Michigan whitetail. I thought I would need penetration over expansion with the relatively low powered 5.56/223. sounds like you get the best of both worlds with the deep curl.
makes sense. well keep doin what your doin and thanks for the reviews!
Awesome!! Great review.
Like to just say a quick thanks to the likes of you, Hickok45, RatedRR and many others who carry out tests like this and generally upload shooting videos. It helps when you live in a country when only the bad guys get guns ;)
Another fine video sir. I've been waiting for you to test some Barnes TSX bullets. I hand load for my game rifles and the solid copper Barnes TSX and TTSX are the finest hunting bullets that I've ever used and nothing is more accurate. Copper is not as heavy as lead so the bullets are a bit longer...this fact requires a bit more barrel twist to stabilize them than traditional lead core bullets. The spinning petals create a devastating wound channel and fast clean kills.
You would think so. Without even testing the tipped TSX it's more likely something I would use on a hunt.
I just cleaned up a "new" SKS myself. Looking forward to getting it out to the range! (and watching your tests, of course)
I've shot a few deer and tons of hogs with my 223 handloads using the Barnes 62gr TTSX out of my 16 inch AR15 with really good results. I've yet to lose a deer and only lost a couple hogs but those hogs where shot on the run at night while hunting with thermals. I also handload the 100gr TTSX in my 6.5 Grendel and the 120gr TTSX in 6.5 Creedmoor/Grendel and they're devastating on deer and hog . Only time I've ever used the 55gr TSX like you're shooting in this video is out of a 22-250 again handloading for it and I've killed a bunch coyotes and a couple deer with them but the deer we're shot in the neck or head...
Love these videos
Great video as always!
that insect looks beautiful
Great demonstration :)
Very cool! Cant wait, you're the man!
Speer does make Gold Dot .223 ammo.
Speer Gold Dot rifle ammo is just a Speer DeepCurl bullet, which is the same bullet in Federal Fusion ammo.
I've seen these rounds in stores, but have not tried it. I get habituated in using the same ammo all the time. I might give it a shot...pun intended. Thanks for the review.
Interesting. I watched a video where these stayed together and didn’t fragment like yours did. Very different results.
the audio sounded off (like through a straw) on this vid? thanks for yet another awesome vid!
Huh, it would appear that the petals fragmented and the core continued onward (haven't seen the full video yet) very neat video!
Wow. Ive never seen a barnes seperate before. I use these tipped in 308 for deer and I do have some in 223 as well
I don't think it was the twist rate. No idea. That was a negative with regard to retained weight that Barnes' promotes, but the cavitation and penetration was too good to ignore.
I've taken two deer using these bullets. Both were double lung shots and both deer croaked around 60-70 yds. I would definitely recommend a larger caliber but if your very careful about shot placement these will work fine.
I agree. This is actually not a very good Deer bullet. We lost a buck that was hit perfect through the lungs at 80 yards broadside, he went over 400 yards due to lack of expansion. Didn't find him for 3 days. I switched my Daughter over to standard 55 grain SP and they actually work much better on broadside Deer.
I still don't have much real trigger time on this rifle setup. These were the first copper rounds I've shot and really didn't notice a difference in the bore.
I still have the upper with Leupold mounted, it's in the safe.
I've looked all through your videos and don't see any doubletap ammo. Would you consider them? I prefer the way you do it vs everyone else on CZcams. Thanks for what you do.
I'll have to give these a try thanks!
I’ve used this exact load for deer. One fat whitetail doe one one nice mule deer buck. Both one shot kills. It’s definitely NOT optimum for deer but adequate if you can make a clean heart or lung shot. The mule deer I could have lost because I hit the shoulder and barely got into the heart. My bad. Keep your shots under two hundred yards though.
Thanks for the data, TN. Looks like there's hope if lead gets scarce or is outlawed.
First, let me say, I thoroughly enjoy all your ballistic test vids. Secondly, let me say, I find this test with Vor-TX very interesting. This has been my favored go to load out of my Tikka T3 with a 1x9 twist, chambered in 22-250 for coyotes. The reason I find it interesting is because, Ive shot MANY coyotes, in the neighborhood of 15 coyotes with this bullet and I have yet to have a single bullet exit a coyote. It was a very fur friendly bullet with a pin hold entrance and no exit. Yet, with the gel test, it passed completely through. Very interesting! Thanks for the Vid.
josh webster well, copper bullets are designed for max energy transfer, not necessarily penetration. Gel blocks dont have bones or skins to protect them, that's my guess why you're not finding an exit hole. If you were to use fmj or bonded bullet, you'd def see an exit hole
Put up the fusion testing. Please! Your ammo tests are the best! More 223 testing. Thank u!
Thanks for the review.
Hornady SST slugs? 300 gr at 2000 FPS? Earlier today I picked up a Remington 870 with a 24" Mossberg rifled barrel. Also have 5 boxes of the SST. So it will happen! That or the Winchester Partition Gold will be the first test.
More copper to test, but I'm still not sold on this precious metal as a fast-moving projectile. Perhaps some slugs will change my mind.
I love your ballistics videos. I cannot tell you how many I have enjoyed. I was wondering if I could send you a box of Hornady LE 60 gr TAP Urban and you perform a ballistics test with them? Thanks for all your reviews.
Posted my final video in July 2016.
Thanks
If you look at that original Fusion load its velocity is from a 24" test barrel. The new Fusion MSR is tested from a more realistic 16" barrel, thus the "slower" velocity. But I have not chrono'd either load myself so maybe the Fusion is still running faster than the Fusion MSR.
I believe that they break up partly due to the increased velocity from the 20" barrel. From a 16" barrel or less I think they would have stayed together better and, while the penetration would still be deep 17-18" range, then would have probably stayed inside the block.
Once that bullet shed the top, it's nothing more than a full wadcutter leading to the more desired penetration for HD. Still a great round that I think would be great on deer or hogs.
The new Speer deep curl bullets are made the same way as the gold dots, except they have a soft point instead of a hollow point. I think they are decent bullets and they aren't too expensive.
That's a pack saddle worm, some people call them corn worms either way it will sting the fire out of you. Recently I was stung by one maybe a 1/4 inch long on my knee I brushed it off with my hand and it got my finger. I thought I wouldn't make it back to the house the only thing that stopped the pain Sting ez
The heavier grain version (70g) of this is used by special operations. Its a toss up between this and the Black Hills. Personally, I use the Black Hills.
Test 5.45x39! :) Thanks for the videos, they are excellent!
thanks for uploading
Have you ever tried putting a tarp under your target setup to catch fragments?
I shot a black bear with this exact ammo and it worked pretty good I also have done penetration tests on water and got great results
Bigfoot picked up a rash on a recent trip to the Smokies, but I'm betting it wasn't from a caterpillar.
Good one. Good gun.
"i have no idea what this is" was halrious poison little furry bastard love the channel
I have shot a number of deer with the .30 caliber version with an impact velocity between 2700 and 2770fps. Broadside is always a pass through with a serious exit wound. Low necks shots penetrate 20-24". Not a bad load IMO...even if you live in a place where lead bullets are allowed.
This video confirms my pet peeve
bothers the snot out of me when people say this caliber is great for pigs....in my area pigs can get well above 300lbs with average 200lbs
really liked the clearballistics test. what happened to those?
yessir! :) it was full of alfalfa. i normally use my 300 win mag for most my hunting but i figured it would be fun to try with the tavor since i know it will drop em. plus i dropped a black bear in the spring with the 223 :) big animals where i live too, i live in British Columbia, Canada.
Late to the party.. but would be great to see 223/5.56 tests from 16” barrel as that’s the most common length
Very eye-opening video about all copper ammo! Seems they're not the indestructible projectiles people think they are. I've wondered how a Speer Gold Dot "rifle bullet" would perform. I know they don't make them, but if they applied their gold dot tech to a .223 or .308 how would it perform? any thoughts?
7.62x54R is on the very short list. That's a good thing.
Relative to ammo testing and overall shooting.....I just gotta say it, if anyone is listening.......
7.62x39 RUSSIAN 1951 TULA SKS placed on layaway today for pick-up in a few days. Ok, got that over with. :-)
For deer in .223, have to look towards the Winchester 64gr PSP (x223r2)
You never cross streams. Not ever ever. Everybody knows that
It's the official tnoutdoors9 ballistic testing caterpillar!