Diagnosing a Vibration at 55 MPH on a 2007 Acura TSX
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Sometimes diagnosing a vibration can be tough, even for the most seasoned technician. In this video, Bernie tackles a vibration at 55 MPH on a 2007 TSX. This vehicle has had some work done before he got to it, tires were replaced, new ball joints and bushings were installed and new drive axles were installed.
See how quick and easy it is to set up the Intelligent Vibration Analyzer iVA and gain insight into Bernie’s diagnostic approach for vibration analysis.
The Intelligent Vibration Analyzer iVA is used to pinpoint the location of the vibration. With a single sensor place don the vehicle, the vibration is determined to be wheel speed related. Next a sensor is placed at each wheel, pinpointing the vibration to the right front wheel. To determine if the vibration is the wheel, axle or transmission, a sensor is placed in three locations along the right front driveline.
Finally the drive axle to axle stub union is found to be faulty. A new right front axle stub and right front drive axle are installed and Bernie rechecks his work, showing the vehicle now drives smooth.
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I went through all of it just like this, except I never used any sensors.
Multiple balances, new tires, cv axles, struts, tie rod ends ... even new control arms/ball joints! and nothing...
One day I was playing with the toe in/out (tie rod adjustments) based on an alignment video and made a very small change. I was pretty amazed and bemused to see the problem vanish. (someday I'll get my steering wheel centered perfect again)
Everyone will tell you vibration is not alignment - and it makes sense. However, I am witness to making a toe adjustment as fixing a vibration problem I had for 2 years. And, on that car (impala), a front end alignment is ONLY going to be toe adjustments.
Problem appeared after getting new tires. They installed the tires and after waiting 40 min, they said their alignment machine wasn't working and gave me the option of taking the car.
I think someone 'cracked' the tie rod nuts expecting to do an alignment, then just tightened them once they realized their machine wasn't operational. It's my theory.
Good theory!
Glad to see him post a new video been a while this man on another level
Bernie you are amazing with your years of skills. I'm a do it yourselfer because i don't trust shops. Wish your equipment was more affordable for the do it yourselfer ,and i know your equipment is woth every penny you charge for it.
Right tool for the job every time. Just like magic
Wow! I didn't even know tools like that existed 😅 amazing job as always Master Bernie!
This industry is in a world of hurt right now. Bernie you showed up a methodical diagnosis which is pretty impressive. However a decent dealer tech should have been able to find this. Sadly most dealers have switched from beating thier chests thinking they are the diagnostic machine, to a Chinese factory pushing garbage work out as fast as possible with the only concern being the dealer principals bottom line. Sad to have been doing this career long enough to see this happen.
I was only in the industry for 20 years and saw how badly it declined. Shop owners who know their stuff are retiring, selling their shops to people who don’t know what a wrench is. Clueless shop owners hire the cheapest meat sack with a pulse and a toolbox, then wonder why their Yelp reviews suck so much. I got tired of it and left last year, went back to school to move to a career where I’ll earn 2x the money for half the work.
most dealers are certified part changers can't diagnose stuff
@@robertalicea5585 there's some dealers that can diag stuff, but they're not getting paid to. I work for Kia, they don't pay diag if you scan the code and it's in history. It's a running joke within the dealers, we fire the big parts cannon and hope. Yep its pathetic, yep it screws the customer, yep I'm trying to find a decent independent shop to work at, because I have morals.
@@oldsilkhat7893 they call them stealerships for a reason
@@oldsilkhat7893 what part of the country are you located?
You just helped me huge i replaced axles and had bad vibration after but it was hard to tell what part cause i did tie rods control arms ball joints so without this video i wouldn’t have known which part it was thanks.
Great diagnoses Bernie! It that tool amazing as well! The customer and the shop are so fortunate that had you look at this car.
Crazy the inner axle causes that much, would of been very hard to find without the IVA ATS kit. Thanks for sharing this Bernie and Jeff
Dude you ain't even playing around... i appreciate the ideas here
I love when smart people share their knowledge! Thank you!
ATS tools are certainly designed by those who KNOW what engineering is behind the durability, safety and performance of automobiles enabling techs to sort through issues intelligently and profitably. Thanks to Bernie for another demonstration of this statement!
Had the same on a 2004 Volvo v40. Front wheel bearing. No play in the bearing but the bearing race had de laminated in one spot where the car had been sat for a long time prior to putting back on the road.
Awesome Bernie. Amazing diagnostic tools with amazing Bernie will always find the problem. Highest level so far👍
Ur a good tech. I enjoyed watching you find this problem. Well done !
Bernie we love you and learn from you, at San Diego ECC Automotive program. "how y'all doing today!"
Remember NEW stands for Never Ever Worked. Always inspect your replacement parts.
Hondas are very picky when it comes to those drivetrain parts. Always use factory for those types of parts. This was an excellent video. Thank you!
Good Fix Bernie! Shops need more and more good diagnostic tools, training and knowledge to fix these vehicles.
I have a 2006 Honda Accord with the same vibration and it starts at 60mph and stops at 65mph. You just showed the problem the Honda dealership couldn't find.
Thanks for making video very enlightening! Was it the axle or intermediate shaft bearing that was bad? Because ive seen + read about hondas especially tsx + accords having intermediate shaft bearing issues right at that spot where you showed a loose axle.
I have '04 tsx and currently looking for a vibration which happens at highway speed. I had all tires balanced and when i went back to recheck 1 suspect tire guy said its perfectly balanced but showed me a deteriorating plastic hub ring from it (which are used on aftermarket rims only) so i just ordered a set of aluminum rings and see if that solves the problem. I will definitely check the spot like car in video too and if i still have a vibration will then take 1 tire at a time to get road force balanced. Mine doesnt seem to get worse under load . My brake rotors are a bit warped i wonder if that can cause vibration even when not on the brakes at all idk have to google that now. Ill update soon.
Really appreciate the in depth analysis combined with high tech to diagnose a simple problem. Found it intellectually sttimulating and definitely learned something.
I’ve run into this issue with an aftermarket axle on an Acura before. It was really, really annoying since I was always the guy at the shop who said “OEM PARTS ONLY!” only to be undercut by the bean-counter service advisor selling Chinesium junk to the customers.
I was in Albuquerque a couple months ago (picked up a car and drove it back home to Oregon via Las Vegas) and yeah, the highways there are absolutely trashed. I was shocked how bad the roads were.
Unfortunately tools like this, while highly useful, are only as good as the tech or “tech” (imagine those are air quotes) that uses them. In my experience, most people who call themselves an auto tech are just part changers. You hand them a tool like this and they’re just going to ask if it’ll charge their phone or not. I have one of the old ATS eMisfire kits and that tool, along with several classes related to scope usage and compression waveform analysis, were an absolute game changer for me. Now they sit in my garage collecting dust since the only cars I work on now are my own, and I generally try to avoid doing that.
Fascinating, I love it! Can't argue with hard data.
It's a great video Bernie thank you very much! I knew from experience from the symptoms that you described which you described very well that it was going to be an axle problem.
Wow Bernie I am so impressed with your work!
thank you sir
i just subscribe and i keep watching the whole video from the binging,
This guy is thorough as fuck!!!!Good job man👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
My honda 2014 Honda pilot has the exact same vibration I put on new balanced tires, new brake rotors , vibration still there! I will check the runout on the right side inner and outer CV Thank you for a GREAT video!!!
Im having same issue on my 14 accord
I finally changed the passenger side half shaft! " Vibration GONE!!! " Rock Auto $117 delivered! 2 hours of my time!
👋Sir very nice explanation and information, blessings
Is a very known problem in tsx community that aftermarket axles vibrate like crazy,i bet that car is gonna start shaking again pretty soon, only oem axle get rid of it
So when the techs replaced the axle and stub they didn't even try to wiggle it ? Never assume new is good to go, a good tech is always inspecting on disassembly and re assembly.
That wouldn't necessarily tell you it's bad. I've replaced quite a few axles do to vibration and they visually appear fine.
Oh man , we need a spoiler alert. This comment was the first one.. Lol
Awesome diag!!!!
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Tutorial outstanding video amazing footage thank you very much helpful video ,take care and have a great day
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Can't say it better. 👍
It was probly a cheap CV axle like we all use from Rock Auto or Advanced Auto parts or NAPA. CV Axles made in China.
Just a note, if you put the dial indicator to each wheel and axel, that could be done in 15 minutes without any special equipment.
Bernie you did a fantastic diagnostic on this car, too bad the previus shop has no professional technition at all. I know after the test drive it only can be wrong is the inner joint or the spline section. Typical diagnosis for a loaded drive vibration for axle.
Good equipment keeps one out of trouble ultimately... thanks ! Scotty K. promotes the use of multiple microphones to a hub and headphones.... Options make me happy!
I found an inner axel vibration in the late 80s caused by bad machine job on the differential with a GM front wheel. 2 dealers later.
Hi all, just asking,
Had that joint been replaced, and like that from new, or was it the old original axle and just worn?
I had a similar problem on my Mercedes SLK 320 at about the same speed. Traced it to the passenger side front wheel rim. The rim was out of round and the cause was unknown. Replaced the rim with a recondition after market unit and problem solved.
I have an 08 tsx and have this same vibration. Seems like many others do too if you go on forums. Thanks for posting this video. How do we find a shop that has this diagnosing tool???
Having the same issue with my 08 tsx
Same with my '06
@@RandomUserNameChosen my '06 is also starting to act up, did you find out what the issue was?
@@zephyr9l95 not yet. Going to start with basic maintenance replacing lower ball joints, lower control arm bushings, upper control arms, and inner & outer tie rods. These are things I need to do and hopefully after an alignment it will be fixed. Hopefully.
So, does this boil down to a bad aftermarket part?
Was the stub/bucket section changed only. Are you saying that the passenger side stub was replaced but didn't for properly?
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I have 06 Honda Odyssey and it has same issue i have replaced the whole front end it has new rims and tire replaced lower control arms both sides it has new Cv axles both side new inner and outer tie rod ends new all the motor mounts have been replaced and the transmission mounts have been replaced and i still have the vibrations.
same issue on my 14 accord replaced lot of stuff as well going to check intermediate shaft next
Where was the axle replacement from? The one that fixed the issue....
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Didn't they replaced the axle before? So the new axle they replaced has issues?
Nice
No wait a second...
why didn't the sensor at the axle support bearing pick up the vibration? Seems to me that it should've since it was right there.
Do you sleep with your vibration anilizer?
If only we all had a cool 3.5k to spend on these things. Cheaper just to buy new parts if you can fit them yourself.
Ironic this came up on my youtube settings. I am in need of getting my rotors turned but am curious to know if that could potentially affect vibration in the front end from 60-70? Ive replaced both axles and balljoints.
CV axles are common for Honda vibration problems... worse with aftermarket axles.
what is the specification for tire runout? when you taped and use dial indicator
Inner axle wears the cup and causes this. Common issue.
Why do you keep calling it a “little Acura”?
Love videos
I have a 2006 TSX I’ve replaced axles and wheels bearings and still humming/vibrations what could it be it’s driving me insane
If you have aftermarket wheels check the hub rings and if plastic replace with proper fitting aluminum ones maybe that'll help. The plastic rings deteriorate over time .
I dont think you could have been any more thorough isolating the source of this issue.
You don't need expensive electronics to figure out a bad part like that!! Looking at the video that should have been detected the first go around. Further the Pico NVH is just as good as yours. You don't need all 4 sensors.
Sorry but something doesn't add up.
I've owned 3 brand new cars in the last 5yrs with this problem. QC is atrocious and no dealer tech is doing anything thorough.
😱😱 después de este video 😳😳
Oh so you’re the guy Scotty Kilmer has been praising
👍ATS wins again
Mines doing a random vibration at highway speed for only a minute at a time, then goes away for the remainder of the drive. Makes no sense. Just bought new front pads and rotors, inner and outer tie rods, control arms and ball joints, hoping it fixes it.
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Nice info but too long and slow.
NVH can be evil. I don’t take offence when I can’t figure it out because the customer has to foot the bill and time and most say they will just get over it. Or i find the problem and 😱the repair cost “yeah I’ll be fine with a noise” 🤣
After market can cause these issues