First, the British won the Malayan emergency because the goal was to crush the communists and give independence in a decade. So your final quote about an implied failure and a withdrawal is misleading. Secondly, these new villages worked. Most of the important reds were as you mentioned Chinese so it was an ethnic war as well as an ideological one. This is as opposed to Vietnam.
I have HUGE respect for Simon, but sometimes he discusses stuff which he doesn't thoroughly understand. I'm still seething about his videos about the British bombing of Germany.
"these new villages worked"... It's all just a matter of perspective, even Hitler thought his ideas 'worked'. So, who is the world's highest authority that declares what works, and what doesn't ?
The thing was the British won Malaya stopping a communist takeover and the US lost Vietnam to communism. The camps denied the enemy of supplies. America did a half-arsed situation but not successful. Malaya is a free country today because of the British/Australian forces stopping Chinese aggression until Malaya's independence.
@@Occident.for the very simple reason that the inhabitants Malay. Chinese, Indian and orang asli did NOT want communism.. how do I know ? a) i have family there,Ive lived there b) I've asked many of all the groups, especially the elders, the majority wanted the british gone( including my pro independence FIL), but they did not want the communists either..
I believe it’s more complex and a different war when the US got involved. You had North Vietnam, which the Americans could not officially enter, plus Laos and Cambodia. You had the massive aid supplied from the Soviet’s and China, so much so that Hanoi had one of most sophisticated air defence systems in the world. Malaysia had anti communist forces within the mainland while the entire North Vietnam was the “enemy”. The Americans had some curious rules of engagement too……they were always going to struggle with the conflict there. I guess if they really wanted to win they needed total war not a limited action, but fear of China entering always played on their mind ( Korea still fresh in the memory)
@2345bcde I served there 10 years later, 61/63 with the NZ Army. I was 21yo when i went there, i'm now almost 84. We had no knowledge of former concentration camps there before. First i've heard of this. Robert W. (Veteran)
Our forebears didn't always get it right. However, we did attempt to leave countries with a democratic system when they gained their independence. Sadly that often proved a failure. Old tribal differences resurfaced, and the hard men took control.
- "to leave countries with a democratic system" as though it was the righteous thing to do after subjugating them ? did you know that the WEF declare America to be the world's oldest democracy ?
Difference is we actually won wars and battles which allows a nation such freedom. Might is ultimately right if your enemies cannot resist @@irishboer7124
For the first time, I find what you are saying completely and utterly wrong! Y husband was a. National Service member of the British troops in Malaya for the ‘Emergency’. This was fought, along with the Malayans and Australians, to prevent the Communists taking over the country. The villages were closed to prevent Communists entering them. They were not concentration camps and were very successful in keeping Malaya (then termed Malaysia) free.
We can argue about reason why the British returned to Malaya after the WW2. But one is clear. If they hadn't, Malaya would had become a country under communism and under China control. Instead, after the British left in 1957, after Merdeka, Malaya became Malaysia that we know today, a functioning state with developed economics, educational, judiciary, medical, trade, communication, trafic, with democratic parlamental system of multiple races, ready to become a economical tiger of South East Asia. On the other hand, the contribution of the Chinese local population to the economical development of Malaysia can not be overestimated and is still dominant.
To continue: eventually all British troops received a medal from the Malaysian Government which they wouldn’t have done had this been a ‘Colonial’ war. This was our Vietnam war, and we won. BTW we tried to persuade the A Erica s to try the listed village system in Vietnam as it had been so successful in Malaya, but they would not do so. Probably because we suggested it. I am very surprised at your comments today.
My brother in law did his national service in Malaya. A few years ago my sister and brother-in-law took a trip up to Northern Norway. Somewhere near Kirkenes they started talking to a couple from Malaya on the same trip. When my brother-in-law mentioned he was involved in the Malayan emergency the Malayan couple started crying and hugging my brother-in-law while saying 'thank you'.
I also served in Aden and was there from March 1964 till March 1966. I spent most of my time “up country” in the Radfan. It was indeed a scary place to be.
@@stephenrandall3551 Years ago here in NZ i met a British man who had served with the RAF at Aden. He also told me how dangerous it was there for British Military Personnel, from unexpected attacks from the local people. I served in Malaya 61/63 as an Infantry Soldier, RNZIR, Far East Land Forces Brigade Group. British, Australian and New Zealand Battalions. I was 21 on arrival there, i am now nearly 84 end of this month. Robert.
@@daddybob6096 the british and their kith and kin everywhere have yet to learn how to get rid of their own enemies within both foreign and domestic though.
I dont think it's correct to say it wasnt a success. Like most colonies Britian knew it was leaving and wanted to try leaving a functional government rather than a civil war or a communist dictatorship. The camp system succeeded in ending the insurgency and allowed a peaceful transfer of power- As Part of Malaysia , Malaya has been a politically stable country for 60 years now and this is largely due to the success of the camps
It was called the Malayan Emergency, not for the reason that you mention Simon, but for insurance purposes. Something along the line that the British plantation owners would not be compensated if it was a "war"!
The USA played a big part in getting former colonies to fight for independence. Strangely this is rarely mentioned. Many of these countries would probably have been better off with a gradual and peaceful independence rather than the conflicts that ensued.
And for the sake of balance, it should be mentioned that in many of the communist led fights for independence, the native populations were not given a choice about supporting the guerrillas - support was extracted by vicious means.
contrary to popular belief Britain didn't become rich on the backs of its empire. it was bloody expensive thing to run. we didn't need much encouragement from the US to get out of empire altogether after WW2.
'Let not the sins of the forefather be visited upon thy children'. Fact is, who sanctioned it? Who gave the orders to do so?, Who had interests in the rubber plantations? Who owned the empire? The empire never belonged to the British people, it belonged to royalty and the rich elite.
🎯 Yeah the White working class were just the mugs laying down their lives to keep the racket going. The average person questioned nothing. Nowts changed.
@@thomasrobert4654 If the British citizens had owned the empire, the majority would not have all been poor working classes, starving and dying of disease, early deaths with high infant mortality rates, slaving away in work houses, for a pittance, would we?
I think you were a bit free and easy with the facts on this one. The Malayan emergency was a huge success leaving Malaysia to become a free and democratic country post colonial era.
We need " new villages " now! All the illegal immigrants, over stayers and more could be housed there until they decide to return home or are deported.
I'm afraid that redefining words, or the manufacturing of new ones, lies squarely in the legal profession's lap. That is the attorney's job, they're wordsmiths, and they are to "interpret" the law, which they will try to read in many different ways to get their client off the hook. Judges do the same thing, when trying to bend a law to their liking. In the international community, they do this all the time to skirt laws or try to hide what they're doing.
@@msbecks7004 And those are the words, put together, that they try to bend or redefine. Why do you think the Supreme Court, in the US, keeps seeing the same suits being brought before them, over and over, but from different angles? In the US, why do they keep introducing legislation that is designed to skirt the Constitution and Bill of Rights, only to have them knocked down, time and time again, as unconstitutional? One attorney defends the new legislation, while the other argues against it. Many of the new words, today, that we're seeing pushed, to redefine or skirt the law, were birthed at ivy-league schools. Harvard's school of law is one such culprit.
@msbecks7004 if that were true all lawyers and judges would be out of a job. They constantly reinterpret and reinforce points of law. All for a handsome profit. The fact that you disagree with this simple points tells me that you do indeed work in law...for a handsome profit.
"Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It's a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive." Barbara Lerner Spectre, founding director of Paideia, the European Institute for Jewish Studies in Sweden
They were called New Villages, because they were new... and they were villages, not camps. The villages still exist and people still live in them, because they were a huge improvement on where they lived before. This is the whole point of "hearts and minds" to offer a better alternative to anything the communists were offering. The practice was actually closer to British "New Towns". And although living in Milton Keynes or Basildon comes with its own horrors, they don't really come close to Nazi Death Camps. Sounds like Simon has been learning history from Wikipedia again.
We all know what the answer is...the Irish are sort of pointing the way....too many grifters in the UK cashing in on the influx one way or another...food deliveries, takeaways, car washes, illegal drugs, barbers....working for the Home Office RNLI care4cqlais etc etc...not to mention vile treacherous lawyers
20 years ago my wife and I were on honeymoon on the NW coast of the Highlands. A tall elderly man approached me and asked if he could talk to my wife. He asked her if she was Malayan and started to explain that he’d been a Military Policeman there and begged her for forgiveness for what he had done. It was the most bizarre moment. He was a very religious man and ashamed of himself for what happened. My wife explained that she was in actual fact mainland Chinese and that such a senior man should not apologise to anyone so young for something that happened in another country long before she was born. I often think of this moment and how he carried this guilt for his entire life.
My dad was in Malaya for 2 years. Auschwitz was a death camp. We didn't have them. In the 2 years he was there he never saw the enemy, who could have been a number of different tribes and people allied to the communists. The Gurkhas were used most of the time for obvious reasons. War is an awful thing. I think it always has been.
I'm Malaysian Malay. From what I understand is the Chinese mostly worked well with the British in Malaya, they were given opportunities to conduct businesses in the cities etc. We are taught here that British ruled with divide and conquer- Chinese in the big cities, Indians in plantations and estates, and the Malays in villages and farms. We also are taught that communism didn't become a thing until Japan came into Malaya and from what I learned, the British withdrew- but not before burning crops, buildings etc to halt the advancement of Japanese troops- which unfortunately affected local population as well. The Japanese Army were much, much more cruel than British colonisers so the insurgents rose quickly. They also especially hate the Chinese here because of the Sino-Japanese war and that's when the Three Stars (chinese communist paramilitary) starts to gain following and soon we have our own PKM (Malayan Communist Party) and guerilla MPAJA (Malayan People Anti Japanese Army). Anyway, these are just the things I learned in our schools History syllabus. My personal opinion is the British Empire basically creates their own problems in Malaya thanks to their divide and conquer policy. One example is that the indigenous people and the Malays are kept in villages and aren't allowed to attend schools (unless they are aristocrats or royalty) so the people resort to religious schools etc for a chance at education. The way the indigenous Malays were treated were unfair, caused them to lag behind economically and socio-politically, which started the Malay insurgence.
Your English is good, but the correct word is the advance, not the advancement, which is American slang. The Americans love to murder the English language, and the less well educated they are the more they like to murder it. Lee Kuan Yew kept most of the harsh laws the British left behind, and it helped him to make Singapore what it is today, an example to the rest of the world. He achieved miracles in a very short time, and would never have used American slang. The Malayan insurgency was mainly a Chinese affair, few Malays wre involved.
How odd and muddled is this talk is by Simon. He doesn't seem to know what he is talking about, which surprised me. He appears to have fallen into the very trap that so many do these days, of ignoring the time and context of that era. I was born in Malaya, thank goodness, it is a beautiful country with an interesting history. The British saved it from communism. When you think when the British left the new President stayed in power for decades and spent all the money on a lavish lifestyle that ignored the ordinary Malaysians. If you compare what Islam did to SE Asia, the brutality, violance and destruction they did was horrific. Still it feeds into the let's all hate the British story.
One of the key ways the "New Villages " worked, was the British provided centralised kitchen, feeding all the villagers, so the women needed not to cook, so no food could get out to the Communist guerillas, In time the villagers provided the manpower as guards, and this still exists today as LDV, usually armed with shotguns,
One interesting point is that both Malaysia and Singapore retained the Emergency Security laws implemented during the Malayan Emergency - Both governments find it useful. Unlike concentration camps the new villages were open during daylight hours and all could come and go if they carried the correct identity cards - no movement restrictions. As such they could not be called concentration camps. O f a personal note, my father was flying out of Singapore as a RAAF Navigator. So I have a personal interest in this conflict.
What's your point? To remind people our ancestors did bad things, the reason we should pay penance by giving our country away creating hell everyone livinghere? God knows what future evil leaders are creating for our children, yet we acquiesce then justify it by telling us our ancestors were just as bad. God save us.
@@rickjensen2717 the eton/oxbridge gang never learn its why their student body is nearly all foreign,big bucks for the ceo's but very few places for our own youngsters.
This is interesting I've just come back from Malaysia after living there for 3 months and I had this topic come up for about 5 minutes. The Chinese man I talked to wasn't upset by this at all. Did many people die in these camps from my conversation it seems not
It worked because no woke politicians Northern Ireland could have been sorted out in a week with brutal ruthless tactics politicians meddling again dont use an army as a police force ...the reason malaya cyprus aden kenya weren't called wars was because of insurance for shipping costs....
"Locking up hundreds of thousands of people behind barbed wire". Now why do I think that might be a good idea here? Salisbury Plain, Bodminn and Dartmoor spring to mind as suitable lications..
My understanding of why it was termed an "emergency" and not a war was to protect businesses. A war would have meant insurance companies wouldn't have to pay out for damages to buildings farms, plantations etc..
I notice Simon always talks about our British values and about what we have given to the World, but when talking about concentration camps and our hanging the indigenous population suddenly he uses the third person, they did this, the British did that the same way we talk about family members we are embarrassed and ashamed about. Oh and we did not withdraw from Israel when the British left it was still called Palestine
As with the currently fashionable 'jenaside' the loosest possible definition of a word or phrase is used to describe a circumstance thereby inviting others to believe it's on a par with the most egregious examples. The PURPOSE is the difference.... is there malicious intent? and was it specified as such? To conflate similar things as being identical things helps no one.
Hi Simon, Love your channel But aren’t you describing internment camps?? But perhaps there’s simply no difference between an internment camp and a concentration camp both served the same function?
Interesting that the chinese saw themselves as the 'rightful heirs' to Malaya rather than the indigenous peoples from that area, but then again, the people there when the British arrived weren't the original 'indigenous 'people anyway. I suppose these things just depend upon how far back in time you're willing to go.
I think in the term Concentration Camps changed meaning. Boer war it was called such. In WW2 as well. But post WW2 the public view a concentration camp, to not be a concentration camp. Simply because that term has been captured by the Holocaust. If it is post WW2 and doesnt have a gas chamber, its not viewed as a concentration camp in the public psyche. Of course this is aided by use of the euphanisms Village, Hamlet and so on.
I think we had three concentration camps in Britain during the war, one in Liverpool, one in the Isle of Mann and one in Berkshire for Italiens Germans and British fascists, film star Audrey Hepburn's father was in one.
They were very mild camps and many men on harsh and dangerous war fronts would gladly have spent the war on the Isle of Man. They were called internment camps.
Hmmmmm.... Not sure about this one Simon. Paddy Ashdown M.P. was in the Royal Marines / S.B.S. in Malaya, and he had never shown any shame for his service there.
Very interesting topic but what about the non Chinese Malays? When people talk about the Malayan Emergency no one seems to ever talk about them or their feelings towards the British, were they generally supportive of the British, passively resistive, or didn't like the British or the Chinese. I have been to Malaysia once or twice and have met a number of Malaysians over the years. I never got any feeling of the anti British sentiment that you will definitely get in some other former British colonies. But then again, South East Asia in general seems to be an area where the people while being aware of their past don't dwell on it and tend to look to the future. Perhaps thats why they are doing so well. On the point of calling wars by other names, it seems to be catching on these days. Vladimir Putin being a notable exponent of the practice.
I didn't finish listening to your summary as I fundamentally disagree with you. Malaya knew that independence was a certainty. The Chinese communists who fought the British were not malay. They were Chinese communist illegals who got away from the civil war. Not to be confused with the Chinese who were indigenous together with malay, and Indians who took no part in the emergency or support in it. At the conclusion Malaysia was more than happy with the results and have gone to become a modern, free energetic country. More than perhaps possible under the shadow of chairman Mao.
Hooray. There's one other person left who lived this history. Similar stuff in Rhodesia, Kenya, Vietnam, and yes, even S.Africa. Context, Simon, context.
was the first ever concentration camp not set up by the British when they were in Afghanistan 100 years ago and when they were about to leave they aerial bombed it to see if bombing by the new bi-planes would actually work, tested it out the POWs, we don't have a great history in Afghanistan that's why I was very surprised when we went there in 2001, Tony Blair had virtually no knowledge of Britain's involvement in Afghanistan when he was asked about it, I don't think anyone is surprised to know that,
The Spanish may take the title as the first user of concentration camps by building them in 1896 in Cuba, Britain employed them in South Africa in 1900 and the Americans in the Philippines 1901
@@ianjones1034 Yes. Despite the popularity of the view that the British set up the first "concentration camps" during the South African/Boer war the reality is we were copying the idea from the Spanish who'd used it in Cuba during the Cuban War of Independence (1895-8). Which in turn were arguably based on tactics used & refined in The Philippines on occasion during the preceding 300 years. History of the concentration camp not only precedes its British use but also the British Empire.
The British got it right in Malaya. They went into the villages, stayed and protected them from the return of Communist insurgents! In Vietnam the Americans went into the villages in the daytime and left each evening. The Viet Cong knew that and were back into the village the next day! Hence the progress and comparisons in the end game results!
'"'I repeat my prophecy England will not only not be able to stop Marxism but its own development will inevitably follow the course of this degenerative disease" Austrian painter 1945 "If we lose this war there will be no more an European race in 100 years from now" Austrian painter Churchill betrayed the English race by declaring war on their Germanic brothers. They should've allied with Germany. Now everything the Austrian painter predicted is coming true
Yeah we are in deep sh*t and I can't see a scenario where we can get out of it? No fight in our lot. Different in Ireland tho. That's the place to watch.
Remember the Welsh, English, Scottish & N. Irish are not the same as British, British is a legal fiction used on behalf & to enforce & defend the British Crown corporation.
@@zen4men Cornwall is a county in England but i know where you are coming from the Welsh in 450AD once covered all of England right up to Glasgow where the Picts were & the Cornish are descended from the Welsh. i.pinimg.com/originals/76/2c/11/762c11d07f3dc957f0fbdb7fa20b6d86.jpg
The terrorists in Malaya were over 90% Chinese communist. Of course, what the wicked British should have done was to abandon Malaya (later Malaysia) and the Malay people to these cuddly commies. An “independent” Malaya, Singapore and Borneo would now be enjoying the benefits of living under a regime similar to North Korea or communist China instead of being among the world’s most successful economies. Given the "atrocious" behaviour of the British, I wonder why in 2005 a grateful Malaysian government issued a medal to all Commonwealth forces in recognition of their help in keeping communist insurgents at bay during the post-independence “emergency” between 1957 and 1966? PS: rubber was not present in Malaya until the British introduced it in the 1870s.
Won't be long before a new generation condemns those nasty allies of WW2 for war crimes. Them Germans and Japs was murderously victimised, it was gemiside.
All counties have to hold captured soldiers of the enemy of the time russia china japan america britain and every african tribe and even Deash or isis that doesant make them Conentration camps ? As in the Nazi and Soviet work to Death camps ? The russain Gulags are the most industrialised are inhuman type of camps still 8n existance today The is a big differance bettween concentration camos and holding camps The Big Question is where will the holding camps for the invading armies of young military aged men be held if and when they decided to use their numerical advantage and hold a Coup de taii and otherthrow our Democracy ? There will be a lot of people out for rwhat they percieve as revenge and yes lamposts will be used for instant justice The Army will definately have to be deployed to keep order in our large City areas a large porpose built holding camp prior to the inevetable deportation would come in very Handy there not all bad Simon !
Oh great. I am glad this is being rehashed. Can you remind us about our part in the Atlantic slave trade, sorry I mean the slave trade, next. A robust anti-communist policy is dreadful. After all they never caused any trouble.
Why are you so obsessed with this. Here is another attempt to explain that the camps in Germany and Poland during the30s and 40s where millions of people were gassed and then cremated were not really different to what has happened in the past. Concentration camps, detention centres who cares what they were called
The conventional explanation of a concentration camp as referred to by the Nazis is it people were exterminated en Naser en masse I don't think any of the concentration camps you're talking about did that they were simply detention centers
It's all word-games, common in the media. Sod the truth: let's go for popularity (it sellsmore papers and is not that the aim?). What a delight for the biased historian! One despairs.
Our forefathers did some horrific things, that were normal for the times in which they happened, and in many cases were far less brutal than many others - see how China today is treating millions of Uyghurs, torture, rape, even forced sterilisation! It is good and important to talk about these things, but only within the relevant context. The fact that most former British colonies, are more advanced and safer countries than their peers, is not a coincidence.
In Jakarta the Chinese live in 'secure' and gated high fenced parts of the city! In the late 60''s many Chinese were slaughtered by the locals in Penang Malaysia. ! Religion or wealth ? Both!
Terminology is everything people. Don't confuse concentration camps with death camps.
they used to be called xcmps in the fort teas..that was changed when they couldnt no longer claim that the c in germ werexcmps
Yeah and the Brits never deliberately starved a Million Irish to death in the 1840s did they?
@@Occident.Along with the Irish you mean?
Simon appears to be trying to compare what happened in the camps during the war and all the other types of detention centres
@@whitelines3097 According to lefties, every multistar hotel which is filled with illegal my grunts is a concentration camp.
First, the British won the Malayan emergency because the goal was to crush the communists and give independence in a decade. So your final quote about an implied failure and a withdrawal is misleading. Secondly, these new villages worked. Most of the important reds were as you mentioned Chinese so it was an ethnic war as well as an ideological one. This is as opposed to Vietnam.
Well, we are back. These great people begging for our defense. Let them defend their own GD countries.
I have HUGE respect for Simon, but sometimes he discusses stuff which he doesn't thoroughly understand. I'm still seething about his videos about the British bombing of Germany.
"these new villages worked"... It's all just a matter of perspective, even Hitler thought his ideas 'worked'.
So, who is the world's highest authority that declares what works, and what doesn't ?
@@halfdome4158is there a communist uprising in Malaysia currently ?
I just posted effectively the same thing- i shoulda read the comments first before posting
The thing was the British won Malaya stopping a communist takeover and the US lost Vietnam to communism. The camps denied the enemy of supplies. America did a half-arsed situation but not successful. Malaya is a free country today because of the British/Australian forces stopping Chinese aggression until Malaya's independence.
What difference would it have made to the masses here if Malaysia went communist?
@@Occident.More expensive tyres and pencil erasers.
@@Occident.for the very simple reason that the inhabitants Malay. Chinese, Indian and orang asli did NOT want communism..
how do I know ?
a) i have family there,Ive lived there
b) I've asked many of all the groups, especially the elders, the majority wanted the british gone( including my pro independence FIL), but they did not want the communists either..
@@TheRahsoftA good comment. I’ve visited Malaya a couple of times the people are so welcoming and genuinely seem to like the British
I believe it’s more complex and a different war when the US got involved. You had North Vietnam, which the Americans could not officially enter, plus Laos and Cambodia. You had the massive aid supplied from the Soviet’s and China, so much so that Hanoi had one of most sophisticated air defence systems in the world. Malaysia had anti communist forces within the mainland while the entire North Vietnam was the “enemy”. The Americans had some curious rules of engagement too……they were always going to struggle with the conflict there. I guess if they really wanted to win they needed total war not a limited action, but fear of China entering always played on their mind ( Korea still fresh in the memory)
The Chinese are not 'indigenous inhabitants' (3:33) of Malaya.
My uncle got killed in malaya in 1951 at the age of 19 !
@2345bcde I served there 10 years later, 61/63 with the NZ Army. I was 21yo when i went there, i'm now almost 84. We had no knowledge of former concentration camps there before. First i've heard of this. Robert W. (Veteran)
duckhams hypergrade....
Our forebears didn't always get it right. However, we did attempt to leave countries with a democratic system when they gained their independence. Sadly that often proved a failure. Old tribal differences resurfaced, and the hard men took control.
Possibly because you drew the borders, you weren't too happy about possibly being part of Greater Germany or France yourselves, were you?
- "to leave countries with a democratic system" as though it was the righteous thing to do after subjugating them ?
did you know that the WEF declare America to be the world's oldest democracy ?
Difference is we actually won wars and battles which allows a nation such freedom. Might is ultimately right if your enemies cannot resist @@irishboer7124
For the first time, I find what you are saying completely and utterly wrong! Y husband was a. National Service member of the British troops in Malaya for the ‘Emergency’. This was fought, along with the Malayans and Australians, to prevent the Communists taking over the country. The villages were closed to prevent Communists entering them. They were not concentration camps and were very successful in keeping Malaya (then termed Malaysia) free.
We can argue about reason why the British returned to Malaya after the WW2. But one is clear. If they hadn't, Malaya would had become a country under communism and under China control. Instead, after the British left in 1957, after Merdeka, Malaya became Malaysia that we know today, a functioning state with developed economics, educational, judiciary, medical, trade, communication, trafic, with democratic parlamental system of multiple races, ready to become a economical tiger of South East Asia.
On the other hand, the contribution of the Chinese local population to the economical development of Malaysia can not be overestimated and is still dominant.
Who gives a sh*t who ended up running the dump?
@@Occident. The Malayan people who were spared a communist takeover, no doubt.
@@Occident. as long as its not the jews aye?,you need to get your shrink to up your medication.
@@Occident. nice country actually
- "If they hadn't, Malaya would had become a country under communism and under China control"... and we're still using that excuse today ?
To continue: eventually all British troops received a medal from the Malaysian Government which they wouldn’t have done had this been a ‘Colonial’ war. This was our Vietnam war, and we won. BTW we tried to persuade the A Erica s to try the listed village system in Vietnam as it had been so successful in Malaya, but they would not do so. Probably because we suggested it.
I am very surprised at your comments today.
My brother in law did his national service in Malaya. A few years ago my sister and brother-in-law took a trip up to Northern Norway. Somewhere near Kirkenes they started talking to a couple from Malaya on the same trip. When my brother-in-law mentioned he was involved in the Malayan emergency the Malayan couple started crying and hugging my brother-in-law while saying 'thank you'.
My Father was a paratrooper who served in Malaya and Cyprus, but he always said the scariest and hardest place that he ever had to serve was Aden
I also served in Aden and was there from March 1964 till March 1966. I spent most of my time “up country” in the Radfan. It was indeed a scary place to be.
@@stephenrandall3551 My Dad always told fun stories. Apparently you could fry an egg in a helmet because it was so hot
My Wife's Father was a Para out there. He might served with your old man.
@@stephenrandall3551 Years ago here in NZ i met a British man who had served with the RAF at Aden. He also told me how dangerous it was there for British Military Personnel, from unexpected attacks from the local people. I served in Malaya 61/63 as an Infantry Soldier, RNZIR, Far East Land Forces Brigade Group. British, Australian and New Zealand Battalions. I was 21 on arrival there, i am now nearly 84 end of this month. Robert.
@@daddybob6096 the british and their kith and kin everywhere have yet to learn how to get rid of their own enemies within both foreign and domestic though.
I dont think it's correct to say it wasnt a success. Like most colonies Britian knew it was leaving and wanted to try leaving a functional government rather than a civil war or a communist dictatorship. The camp system succeeded in ending the insurgency and allowed a peaceful transfer of power- As Part of Malaysia , Malaya has been a politically stable country for 60 years now and this is largely due to the success of the camps
Is there any country with an untainted history of peace and love.
Nope. None
Good point. There's none. But only White nations get held to account. Simon's favourite bunch are behind it.
Yeah Africa
It was called the Malayan Emergency, not for the reason that you mention Simon, but for insurance purposes. Something along the line that the British plantation owners would not be compensated if it was a "war"!
The USA played a big part in getting former colonies to fight for independence. Strangely this is rarely mentioned.
Many of these countries would probably have been better off with a gradual and peaceful independence rather than the conflicts that ensued.
And for the sake of balance, it should be mentioned that in many of the communist led fights for independence, the native populations were not given a choice about supporting the guerrillas - support was extracted by vicious means.
contrary to popular belief Britain didn't become rich on the backs of its empire. it was bloody expensive thing to run. we didn't need much encouragement from the US to get out of empire altogether after WW2.
I think we should open some in Britain for illegal immigrants.
Agreed. I'm sure you mean humane detention camps and not hell camps where people are starved, tortured and murdered.
'Let not the sins of the forefather be visited upon thy children'.
Fact is, who sanctioned it? Who gave the orders to do so?, Who had interests in the rubber plantations? Who owned the empire? The empire never belonged to the British people, it belonged to royalty and the rich elite.
🎯 Yeah the White working class were just the mugs laying down their lives to keep the racket going. The average person questioned nothing. Nowts changed.
go on then tell us who owned our empire.
The Crown Corporation based in the City of London.
@@holeephuc007I’d say that’s probably right.
@@thomasrobert4654 If the British citizens had owned the empire, the majority would not have all been poor working classes, starving and dying of disease, early deaths with high infant mortality rates, slaving away in work houses, for a pittance, would we?
I think you were a bit free and easy with the facts on this one. The Malayan emergency was a huge success leaving Malaysia to become a free and democratic country post colonial era.
Actually many of those people who where in concentration camps in South Africa where wife and children of British husband and fathers.
Turned out pretty well.
Yes it's a great place friendly people seems they like Brits from my experience however the Chinese run the country's economy but not the government
We need " new villages " now! All the illegal immigrants, over stayers and more could be housed there until they decide to return home or are deported.
I'm afraid that redefining words, or the manufacturing of new ones, lies squarely in the legal profession's lap. That is the attorney's job, they're wordsmiths, and they are to "interpret" the law, which they will try to read in many different ways to get their client off the hook. Judges do the same thing, when trying to bend a law to their liking.
In the international community, they do this all the time to skirt laws or try to hide what they're doing.
The 'law' is only what lawyers interpret it to be.Its a con at best.A rip off at worst.
Words of note in the legal profession or in Acts are defined. You clearly don’t work in law.
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@@msbecks7004 And those are the words, put together, that they try to bend or redefine. Why do you think the Supreme Court, in the US, keeps seeing the same suits being brought before them, over and over, but from different angles? In the US, why do they keep introducing legislation that is designed to skirt the Constitution and Bill of Rights, only to have them knocked down, time and time again, as unconstitutional? One attorney defends the new legislation, while the other argues against it.
Many of the new words, today, that we're seeing pushed, to redefine or skirt the law, were birthed at ivy-league schools. Harvard's school of law is one such culprit.
@msbecks7004 if that were true all lawyers and judges would be out of a job. They constantly reinterpret and reinforce points of law. All for a handsome profit. The fact that you disagree with this simple points tells me that you do indeed work in law...for a handsome profit.
"Europe has not yet learned how to be
multicultural. And I think we are going to be
part of the throes of that transformation,
which must take place. Europe is not going to
be the monolithic societies that they once
were in the last century. Jews are going to be
at the center of that. It's a huge
transformation for Europe to make. They are
now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews
will be resented because of our leading role.
But without that leading role, and without that
transformation, Europe will not survive."
Barbara Lerner Spectre, founding director of
Paideia, the European Institute for Jewish
Studies in Sweden
and look at Swee den today
Sounds like a plan.
Yep if you do some research, they opened the borders in every White nation.
More like a nightmare!
Synagogue of Satan
They were called New Villages, because they were new... and they were villages, not camps. The villages still exist and people still live in them, because they were a huge improvement on where they lived before. This is the whole point of "hearts and minds" to offer a better alternative to anything the communists were offering.
The practice was actually closer to British "New Towns". And although living in Milton Keynes or Basildon comes with its own horrors, they don't really come close to Nazi Death Camps.
Sounds like Simon has been learning history from Wikipedia again.
Dem pesky New villages dotting the world. Skyscrapers and wigged court justices now.
Good morning Simon and all ..... From Norfolk . 👍🏴
We need to concentrate, till we think of a way, of scaring our Incomers away.
Putting Muslims in camps would only make them stronger, 😅 to break them you would need to separate them..
@@JAMESLOONEY-kd1nu the chinese communist party would disagree with you they have a few million of them being re-educated.
We all know what the answer is...the Irish are sort of pointing the way....too many grifters in the UK cashing in on the influx one way or another...food deliveries, takeaways, car washes, illegal drugs, barbers....working for the Home Office RNLI care4cqlais etc etc...not to mention vile treacherous lawyers
20 years ago my wife and I were on honeymoon on the NW coast of the Highlands. A tall elderly man approached me and asked if he could talk to my wife. He asked her if she was Malayan and started to explain that he’d been a Military Policeman there and begged her for forgiveness for what he had done.
It was the most bizarre moment. He was a very religious man and ashamed of himself for what happened. My wife explained that she was in actual fact mainland Chinese and that such a senior man should not apologise to anyone so young for something that happened in another country long before she was born.
I often think of this moment and how he carried this guilt for his entire life.
Just the approach, is enough to explain the character. Poor chap, probably fishing for a dinner invite.
My dad was in Malaya for 2 years. Auschwitz was a death camp. We didn't have them. In the 2 years he was there he never saw the enemy, who could have been a number of different tribes and people allied to the communists. The Gurkhas were used most of the time for obvious reasons.
War is an awful thing. I think it always has been.
My comment shdwbnd. Thousands of people have been in these facilities in Tye laand for decades. No one says a word.
can u explain further?
@@Porkypies6m Lots of people are in places like this around the world. They are horrible. No one says a thing. I cant elaborate because of cnsrshp.
@@halfdome4158 the chinese communist party keeps itself in power by virtue of thousands of inhumane concentration camps.
I'm Malaysian Malay. From what I understand is the Chinese mostly worked well with the British in Malaya, they were given opportunities to conduct businesses in the cities etc. We are taught here that British ruled with divide and conquer- Chinese in the big cities, Indians in plantations and estates, and the Malays in villages and farms. We also are taught that communism didn't become a thing until Japan came into Malaya and from what I learned, the British withdrew- but not before burning crops, buildings etc to halt the advancement of Japanese troops- which unfortunately affected local population as well.
The Japanese Army were much, much more cruel than British colonisers so the insurgents rose quickly. They also especially hate the Chinese here because of the Sino-Japanese war and that's when the Three Stars (chinese communist paramilitary) starts to gain following and soon we have our own PKM (Malayan Communist Party) and guerilla MPAJA (Malayan People Anti Japanese Army).
Anyway, these are just the things I learned in our schools History syllabus. My personal opinion is the British Empire basically creates their own problems in Malaya thanks to their divide and conquer policy. One example is that the indigenous people and the Malays are kept in villages and aren't allowed to attend schools (unless they are aristocrats or royalty) so the people resort to religious schools etc for a chance at education. The way the indigenous Malays were treated were unfair, caused them to lag behind economically and socio-politically, which started the Malay insurgence.
Your English is good, but the correct word is the advance, not the advancement, which is American slang. The Americans love to murder the English language, and the less well educated they are the more they like to murder it. Lee Kuan Yew kept most of the harsh laws the British left behind, and it helped him to make Singapore what it is today, an example to the rest of the world. He achieved miracles in a very short time, and would never have used American slang. The Malayan insurgency was mainly a Chinese affair, few Malays wre involved.
Apparently a 'war' would have rendered the plantations' insurance cover void (according to some documentary I watched).
How odd and muddled is this talk is by Simon. He doesn't seem to know what he is talking about, which surprised me. He appears to have fallen into the very trap that so many do these days, of ignoring the time and context of that era. I was born in Malaya, thank goodness, it is a beautiful country with an interesting history. The British saved it from communism. When you think when the British left the new President stayed in power for decades and spent all the money on a lavish lifestyle that ignored the ordinary Malaysians. If you compare what Islam did to SE Asia, the brutality, violance and destruction they did was horrific. Still it feeds into the let's all hate the British story.
One of the key ways the "New Villages " worked, was the British provided centralised kitchen, feeding all the villagers, so the women needed not to cook, so no food could get out to the Communist guerillas,
In time the villagers provided the manpower as guards, and this still exists today as LDV, usually armed with shotguns,
One interesting point is that both Malaysia and Singapore retained the Emergency Security laws implemented during the Malayan Emergency - Both governments find it useful.
Unlike concentration camps the new villages were open during daylight hours and all could come and go if they carried the correct identity cards - no movement restrictions. As such they could not be called concentration camps.
O f a personal note, my father was flying out of Singapore as a RAAF Navigator. So I have a personal interest in this conflict.
Good morning Mr Webb
Good evening Simon, interested video.
It is 8.10am here.
What's your point? To remind people our ancestors did bad things, the reason we should pay penance by giving our country away creating hell everyone livinghere?
God knows what future evil leaders are creating for our children, yet we acquiesce then justify it by telling us our ancestors were just as bad.
God save us.
Good point.
One Demographic behind it all.
Absolutely not. It's to understand and learn from the past.
@@Occident. islam,yes i agree.
@@rickjensen2717 the eton/oxbridge gang never learn its why their student body is nearly all foreign,big bucks for the ceo's but very few places for our own youngsters.
This is interesting I've just come back from Malaysia after living there for 3 months and I had this topic come up for about 5 minutes. The Chinese man I talked to wasn't upset by this at all. Did many people die in these camps from my conversation it seems not
It worked because no woke politicians Northern Ireland could have been sorted out in a week with brutal ruthless tactics politicians meddling again dont use an army as a police force ...the reason malaya cyprus aden kenya weren't called wars was because of insurance for shipping costs....
"Locking up hundreds of thousands of people behind barbed wire". Now why do I think that might be a good idea here? Salisbury Plain, Bodminn and Dartmoor spring to mind as suitable lications..
It is very interesting. Thank you.
My understanding of why it was termed an "emergency" and not a war was to protect businesses. A war would have meant insurance companies wouldn't have to pay out for damages to buildings farms, plantations etc..
Whats the difference between a detention centre and a concentration camp?
I notice Simon always talks about our British values and about what we have given to the World, but when talking about concentration camps and our hanging the indigenous population suddenly he uses the third person, they did this, the British did that the same way we talk about family members we are embarrassed and ashamed about. Oh and we did not withdraw from Israel when the British left it was still called Palestine
My Dad was in the Sapers in Malaya
As with the currently fashionable 'jenaside' the loosest possible definition of a word or phrase is used to describe a circumstance thereby inviting others to believe it's on a par with the most egregious examples.
The PURPOSE is the difference.... is there malicious intent? and was it specified as such?
To conflate similar things as being identical things helps no one.
Hi Simon,
Love your channel
But aren’t you describing internment camps??
But perhaps there’s simply no difference between an internment camp and a concentration camp both served the same function?
internment camps interned.
concentration camps murdered.
The US did the same to Japanese in the US after their (late) arrival in 1942.
Canada did too, they also took their assets
120k on the west coast
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At least the British defeated the communists in Malaya. More than can be said for the French or the Americans in Vietnam.
Interesting that the chinese saw themselves as the 'rightful heirs' to Malaya rather than the indigenous peoples from that area, but then again, the people there when the British arrived weren't the original 'indigenous 'people anyway. I suppose these things just depend upon how far back in time you're willing to go.
As a child during WW2 I understood “concentration camps” to be where prisoners of war were held. So was I wrong?
Interesting & appauling at the same time 🙂
I think in the term Concentration Camps changed meaning. Boer war it was called such. In WW2 as well.
But post WW2 the public view a concentration camp, to not be a concentration camp. Simply because that term has been captured by the Holocaust.
If it is post WW2 and doesnt have a gas chamber, its not viewed as a concentration camp in the public psyche. Of course this is aided by use of the euphanisms Village, Hamlet and so on.
Thousands and thousands of refs have been living in Tye kampz since the 1980s. No one says a word.
When does a holding camp or prison become a concentration camp?.
Reminds me of the Monty Python sketch "North Minehead By-Election" where someone says: "I don't like the sound of them boncentration bamps".
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Hallo!
I think we had three concentration camps in Britain during the war, one in Liverpool, one in the Isle of Mann and one in Berkshire for Italiens Germans and British fascists, film star Audrey Hepburn's father was in one.
They were very mild camps and many men on harsh and dangerous war fronts would gladly have spent the war on the Isle of Man. They were called internment camps.
@@bernardedwards8461 actually some of the men detained were actually fighting in the armed forces at the time of arrest.
Hmmmmm.... Not sure about this one Simon.
Paddy Ashdown M.P. was in the Royal Marines / S.B.S. in Malaya, and he had never shown any shame for his service there.
Sounds like the up and coming 15 minute city's.
Meanwhile, today's concentration camps come with four star room service, a bus pass, pocket money and a games room.
lovely stuffs
Shimon why you never speak up against our oppressors???👃
Muslims !!!! 😠🏴
the muslims are more than capable of making everybody hate them without this old frauds help and you know it ali.
Because he might be demonetised or banned if he spoke up too vociferously.
why should he , he's not jouwish
Alas the sins of Empire are coming home to roost in Britain nowadays.
Very interesting topic but what about the non Chinese Malays? When people talk about the Malayan Emergency no one seems to ever talk about them or their feelings towards the British, were they generally supportive of the British, passively resistive, or didn't like the British or the Chinese. I have been to Malaysia once or twice and have met a number of Malaysians over the years. I never got any feeling of the anti British sentiment that you will definitely get in some other former British colonies. But then again, South East Asia in general seems to be an area where the people while being aware of their past don't dwell on it and tend to look to the future. Perhaps thats why they are doing so well.
On the point of calling wars by other names, it seems to be catching on these days. Vladimir Putin being a notable exponent of the practice.
Were the 'strategic hamlets' in the Vietnam War really concentration camps?
Cuz youtub will pull da plug silly
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Hallo!
Yet another part of "forgotten history"
They may well make a comeback and yellow stars too the ways things are going
Perhaps they should have called them 'Thinking very intensely camps'?
'A special military operation'...
I didn't finish listening to your summary as I fundamentally disagree with you. Malaya knew that independence was a certainty. The Chinese communists who fought the British were not malay. They were Chinese communist illegals who got away from the civil war. Not to be confused with the Chinese who were indigenous together with malay, and Indians who took no part in the emergency or support in it. At the conclusion Malaysia was more than happy with the results and have gone to become a modern, free energetic country. More than perhaps possible under the shadow of chairman Mao.
Hooray. There's one other person left who lived this history. Similar stuff in Rhodesia, Kenya, Vietnam, and yes, even S.Africa. Context, Simon, context.
when he says British what he means is the people in power ie the same who had total cont over Church hill by funding his lavish lifestyle
Oy vey.
was the first ever concentration camp not set up by the British when they were in Afghanistan 100 years ago and when they were about to leave they aerial bombed it to see if bombing by the new bi-planes would actually work, tested it out the POWs, we don't have a great history in Afghanistan that's why I was very surprised when we went there in 2001, Tony Blair had virtually no knowledge of Britain's involvement in Afghanistan when he was asked about it, I don't think anyone is surprised to know that,
The Spanish may take the title as the first user of concentration camps by building them in 1896 in Cuba, Britain employed them in South Africa in 1900 and the Americans in the Philippines 1901
@@ianjones1034 Yes. Despite the popularity of the view that the British set up the first "concentration camps" during the South African/Boer war the reality is we were copying the idea from the Spanish who'd used it in Cuba during the Cuban War of Independence (1895-8). Which in turn were arguably based on tactics used & refined in The Philippines on occasion during the preceding 300 years. History of the concentration camp not only precedes its British use but also the British Empire.
The British got it right in Malaya. They went into the villages, stayed and protected them from the return of Communist insurgents! In Vietnam the Americans went into the villages in the daytime and left each evening. The Viet Cong knew that and were back into the village the next day! Hence the progress and comparisons in the end game results!
Have you ever met someone who worked for the 'British Empire'. I bet you haven't.
Diem bien few?
Simon, really.
It worked in Malaya but not in Vietnam.
nah mate, can't be true, they didn't teach me any of this when I woz in skool in the 70s and 80s ?
Concentration camp, aka London.
So the purpose of this video is "Colonialism Bad" is it? Well, that's what I'm getting.
'"'I repeat my prophecy England will not only not be
able to stop Marxism but its own development will
inevitably follow the course of this degenerative
disease" Austrian painter 1945
"If we lose this war there will be no more an
European race in 100 years from now" Austrian painter
Churchill betrayed the English race by declaring
war on their Germanic brothers. They should've
allied with Germany. Now everything the Austrian
painter predicted is coming true
Yeah we are in deep sh*t and I can't see a scenario where we can get out of it? No fight in our lot. Different in Ireland tho. That's the place to watch.
in the year he and his 1000 year reich was burnt to a crisp he was still believing his own propaganda.
Mere Pedantry , maybe it's tine you too a break ?
Remember the Welsh, English, Scottish & N. Irish are not the same as British, British is a legal fiction used on behalf & to enforce & defend the British Crown corporation.
The inhabitants of the British Isles
include
English, Cornish, Irish, Scots and Welsh.
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@@zen4men Cornwall is a county in England but i know where you are coming from the Welsh in 450AD once covered all of England right up to Glasgow where the Picts were & the Cornish are descended from the Welsh. i.pinimg.com/originals/76/2c/11/762c11d07f3dc957f0fbdb7fa20b6d86.jpg
Geez… 😖
Long cash concentration camp 1970s
Why can't we bring them back for immigrants or should I say economic migerants that flawnt our laws?
The Britsh actually invented them in the boar war
The terrorists in Malaya were over 90% Chinese communist. Of course, what the wicked British should have done was to abandon Malaya (later Malaysia) and the Malay people to these cuddly commies. An “independent” Malaya, Singapore and Borneo would now be enjoying the benefits of living under a regime similar to North Korea or communist China instead of being among the world’s most successful economies. Given the "atrocious" behaviour of the British, I wonder why in 2005 a grateful Malaysian government issued a medal to all Commonwealth forces in recognition of their help in keeping communist insurgents at bay during the post-independence “emergency” between 1957 and 1966? PS: rubber was not present in Malaya until the British introduced it in the 1870s.
Won't be long before a new generation condemns those nasty allies of WW2 for war crimes. Them Germans and Japs was murderously victimised, it was gemiside.
All counties have to hold captured soldiers of the enemy of the time russia china japan america britain and every african tribe and even Deash or isis that doesant make them Conentration camps ? As in the Nazi and Soviet work to Death camps ? The russain Gulags are the most industrialised are inhuman type of camps still 8n existance today The is a big differance bettween concentration camos and holding camps The Big Question is where will the holding camps for the invading armies of young military aged men be held if and when they decided to use their numerical advantage and hold a Coup de taii and otherthrow our Democracy ? There will be a lot of people out for rwhat they percieve as revenge and yes lamposts will be used for instant justice The Army will definately have to be deployed to keep order in our large City areas a large porpose built holding camp prior to the inevetable deportation would come in very Handy there not all bad Simon !
"We will force this war upon Hitler if he wants it or
not" " Winston Churchill in a 1936 broadcast".
Absolute drivel, try reading a book, just once in your life.
His string pullers wanted Germany destroyed. Churchill obliged.
Prize dickhead
Oh great. I am glad this is being rehashed. Can you remind us about our part in the Atlantic slave trade, sorry I mean the slave trade, next. A robust anti-communist policy is dreadful. After all they never caused any trouble.
You mean the Communists who we helped in the Soviet Union twee 1941 and 45?
Why are you so obsessed with this. Here is another attempt to explain that the camps in Germany and Poland during the30s and 40s where millions of people were gassed and then cremated were not really different to what has happened in the past.
Concentration camps, detention centres who cares what they were called
Lack of forensic evidence is a real bummer eh?
The conventional explanation of a concentration camp as referred to by the Nazis is it people were exterminated en Naser en masse I don't think any of the concentration camps you're talking about did that they were simply detention centers
So we're the German ones.
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New claims for reparations coming?
Churchill instituted those in South Africa.
The British are past masters at slaughtering other Whites.
The Spanish in Cuba actually.
1890.
It's all word-games, common in the media. Sod the truth: let's go for popularity (it sellsmore papers and is not that the aim?). What a delight for the biased historian! One despairs.
Our History has been changed and hidden from us......we did horrific horrendous things in other countries..
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Our forefathers did some horrific things, that were normal for the times in which they happened, and in many cases were far less brutal than many others - see how China today is treating millions of Uyghurs, torture, rape, even forced sterilisation!
It is good and important to talk about these things, but only within the relevant context.
The fact that most former British colonies, are more advanced and safer countries than their peers, is not a coincidence.
Nonsense
Yep we did. All so a handful of people could live in huge mansions in the countryside, while we lived in squalor.
@@Occident.I live in a HUGE mansion ...... Get over it . 🏴
In Jakarta the Chinese live in 'secure' and gated high fenced parts of the city! In the late 60''s many Chinese were slaughtered by the locals in Penang Malaysia. ! Religion or wealth ? Both!