Two junior B777 pilots at AC sitting at the controls flying 450 passengers across the ocean while the captain is on break have a combined salary less than what a United Airlines first officer makes in the first year.
I'm an airline pilot in Canada I have 10 years of experience. For the same job in the US I would be compensated 3.8 times better. Needless to say spending $15,000 on a good immigration lawyer to get green card was not a difficult decision to make.
What about travel coach drivers. We too carry huge responsibility without the compensation. Passengers have to trust us. Making little over minimum is just a slap in the face.
Maybe you should apply to be a coach driver at Air Canada… they pay the coach drivers more than first and second year pilots. That being said, both things can be true. Coach drivers can be paid more and pilots can be paid more too. Unfortunately executives think they need to make 205x their employees.
As the other comment said, higher pay for bus drivers isn't exclusive of higher pilot pay. But really this isn't related, except for the fact that as was also stated, Air Canada is hiring bus drivers that it will pay more than it currently pays some of their pilots. These are highly experienced, highly trained professionals operating multimillion dollar jets in some of the most complex and demanding environments with hundreds of people and billions in liability at stake at any given moment.
@@-37driver He said first and second year pilots. Of course you’re not making the most yet, but that might still come as the flying hours accumulate. Isn’t that in any occupation?
@@westerlywinds5684 The pilots at Air Canada aren't accumulating hours for experience anymore. Air Canada hires experienced pilots typically with 10-15 years of commercial piloting experience and many thousands of flight hours. But even after the first 4 years of low pay at Air Canada these pilots are still underpaid from both the world industry and historic norms. From the most junior positions to even the top pay scale as Captains on the largest aircraft with 25+ years of company seniority these pilots are paid far below their peers yet they generate the same or even more revenue for their employer. Paying these experienced professionals so far below their peers is a slap in the face.
@@westerlywinds5684 First and second year pilots at Air Canada aren’t new pilots in the industry. They are seasoned professionals that have already spent many years as commercial pilots flying in the regionals, at other airlines and in the military. The overwhelming majority of them will have taken a significant pay cut to be employed at Air Canada.
Security fees, Nav-Canada fees, Airport "improvement" fees, and more all go up on your ticket every year to a tune that is multiples greater than what an increase would be to properly compensate pilots.
@@-37driver there’s always going to be a good excuse to rape the consumer, already rapped by high income taxes. Ok fair enough they do want a higher salary (although everyone wants it) but that won’t justify the disproportionate ticket price increase, how do I know? Ehm…… look at price increases the past 2yrs 😵💫😵💫🤡🤡
Air Canada makes billions. They can provide raises without ticket increases if they wanted to. But at the end of the day that’s not the employees problem.
@@Avi-on5jp Absolutely they could. But the point is that the cost of pilots on your ticket is negligible. Small variations in fuel prices have a greater effect. The recent increased fees by NavCanada and CATSA are larger. Think about that one, the fee to get screened at airport security represents a greater expense than the pay for your pilots.
@@jkwc88what dictates “supposed to make?” Do we just pick a different economy where they are higher paid and say “give us that!” So should our McDonald’s workers go on strike and use Sweden and Norway as their justification for more money. We live in a Canada. 🇨🇦 We don’t make US salaries? Why not compare to countries like Philippines Indonesia India South Africa Brazil? Why are we choosing United States for this argument. If the disparity between Canada and USA was only pilots and not every single professional in every field then maybe I’d be on board for this argument!
The inevitable truth is that a lot of commercial passenger and cargo transport will eventually be controlled by AI, making the need for drivers and pilots to be reduced. There will still be human intervention, like how we have drone operators, but the majority of the logistics and decision-making will eventually be automated as AI becomes more and more capable and intelligent. Uber is a great example of this. Back in the day, taxis were routed to certain locations based on calls to the center, which was then relayed by a person to the driver. Now, software like the one Uber has, replaces all human involvement. Routes, drivers, route times, and other logistical info are handled by software, decreasing downtime, travel time, and increasing convenience for the user. And with the proliferation of self-driving cars, the whole process of travelling from point A to B will soon be a fully automated process. Semi-trucks will soon follow that direction as well, eliminating the possibility of driver fatigue (and therefore accidents), better response times, more efficient gas management, and better logistical planning. Planes, although much of them are already fly-by-wire and electronically controlled, will likely be the last to transition, given the concern of malfunctioning software at such altitudes, but the role of the pilot will generally be more of a oversight/backup role as AI handles the majority of the flight.
Anyone who believes this really has no clue what it takes to fly an airliner halfway around the planet. While it could eventually happen, it's way further away than most people think. We can't even run fully autonomous trains or cars, much less aircraft.
I love when people try to mansplain “AI” in aviation taking over jobs. All that said if it’s true wouldn’t that be even more reason to pay pilots well now so when their jobs are gone they can survive to transition to something new?
Half the pay is disgusting and shows a complete lack of respect for the employees.
Two junior B777 pilots at AC sitting at the controls flying 450 passengers across the ocean while the captain is on break have a combined salary less than what a United Airlines first officer makes in the first year.
@@jkwc88 The entire crew of an AC 777 (CA, FO, RP) going over the ocean makes less than a United 777 FO.
I'm an airline pilot in Canada I have 10 years of experience. For the same job in the US I would be compensated 3.8 times better. Needless to say spending $15,000 on a good immigration lawyer to get green card was not a difficult decision to make.
Great work ALPA!!!
What about travel coach drivers. We too carry huge responsibility without the compensation. Passengers have to trust us. Making little over minimum is just a slap in the face.
Maybe you should apply to be a coach driver at Air Canada… they pay the coach drivers more than first and second year pilots.
That being said, both things can be true. Coach drivers can be paid more and pilots can be paid more too. Unfortunately executives think they need to make 205x their employees.
As the other comment said, higher pay for bus drivers isn't exclusive of higher pilot pay.
But really this isn't related, except for the fact that as was also stated, Air Canada is hiring bus drivers that it will pay more than it currently pays some of their pilots.
These are highly experienced, highly trained professionals operating multimillion dollar jets in some of the most complex and demanding environments with hundreds of people and billions in liability at stake at any given moment.
@@-37driver He said first and second year pilots. Of course you’re not making the most yet, but that might still come as the flying hours accumulate. Isn’t that in any occupation?
@@westerlywinds5684 The pilots at Air Canada aren't accumulating hours for experience anymore. Air Canada hires experienced pilots typically with 10-15 years of commercial piloting experience and many thousands of flight hours.
But even after the first 4 years of low pay at Air Canada these pilots are still underpaid from both the world industry and historic norms. From the most junior positions to even the top pay scale as Captains on the largest aircraft with 25+ years of company seniority these pilots are paid far below their peers yet they generate the same or even more revenue for their employer.
Paying these experienced professionals so far below their peers is a slap in the face.
@@westerlywinds5684 First and second year pilots at Air Canada aren’t new pilots in the industry. They are seasoned professionals that have already spent many years as commercial pilots flying in the regionals, at other airlines and in the military. The overwhelming majority of them will have taken a significant pay cut to be employed at Air Canada.
let me guess? ticket prices will increase??? 😂😂
Security fees, Nav-Canada fees, Airport "improvement" fees, and more all go up on your ticket every year to a tune that is multiples greater than what an increase would be to properly compensate pilots.
Would you rather there be no flights? If they did decide to increase ticket prices it would only need to be $4-5 to match US pay.
@@-37driver there’s always going to be a good excuse to rape the consumer, already rapped by high income taxes. Ok fair enough they do want a higher salary (although everyone wants it) but that won’t justify the disproportionate ticket price increase, how do I know? Ehm…… look at price increases the past 2yrs 😵💫😵💫🤡🤡
Air Canada makes billions. They can provide raises without ticket increases if they wanted to. But at the end of the day that’s not the employees problem.
@@Avi-on5jp Absolutely they could. But the point is that the cost of pilots on your ticket is negligible. Small variations in fuel prices have a greater effect. The recent increased fees by NavCanada and CATSA are larger. Think about that one, the fee to get screened at airport security represents a greater expense than the pay for your pilots.
Whiners
Very ignorant 🙂
OK Clarence
You can take the bus 😉
Tell me you’re not gonna whine if you make less than half of what you’re supposed to make.
@@jkwc88what dictates “supposed to make?” Do we just pick a different economy where they are higher paid and say “give us that!” So should our McDonald’s workers go on strike and use Sweden and Norway as their justification for more money. We live in a Canada. 🇨🇦 We don’t make US salaries? Why not compare to countries like Philippines Indonesia India South Africa Brazil? Why are we choosing United States for this argument. If the disparity between Canada and USA was only pilots and not every single professional in every field then maybe I’d be on board for this argument!
The inevitable truth is that a lot of commercial passenger and cargo transport will eventually be controlled by AI, making the need for drivers and pilots to be reduced. There will still be human intervention, like how we have drone operators, but the majority of the logistics and decision-making will eventually be automated as AI becomes more and more capable and intelligent. Uber is a great example of this. Back in the day, taxis were routed to certain locations based on calls to the center, which was then relayed by a person to the driver. Now, software like the one Uber has, replaces all human involvement. Routes, drivers, route times, and other logistical info are handled by software, decreasing downtime, travel time, and increasing convenience for the user. And with the proliferation of self-driving cars, the whole process of travelling from point A to B will soon be a fully automated process. Semi-trucks will soon follow that direction as well, eliminating the possibility of driver fatigue (and therefore accidents), better response times, more efficient gas management, and better logistical planning. Planes, although much of them are already fly-by-wire and electronically controlled, will likely be the last to transition, given the concern of malfunctioning software at such altitudes, but the role of the pilot will generally be more of a oversight/backup role as AI handles the majority of the flight.
This was definitely written by Ai😂
Never happening, at least not in our lifetimes. There will always be pilots in the flight deck.
Anyone who believes this really has no clue what it takes to fly an airliner halfway around the planet. While it could eventually happen, it's way further away than most people think. We can't even run fully autonomous trains or cars, much less aircraft.
I love when people try to mansplain “AI” in aviation taking over jobs.
All that said if it’s true wouldn’t that be even more reason to pay pilots well now so when their jobs are gone they can survive to transition to something new?
@@user-vc5rp7nf8f Tell me you're ignorant without telling me you're ignorant...