Josh Pate On Delusional Notre Dame Arguments (Late Kick Cut)
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- Notre Dame and Marcus Freeman saw another solid season in 2023 capped off by a top 10 finish in the JP Poll, and on Late Kick Live Ep 485 Josh Pate responded to more ridiculous debate surrounding the Irish. Is Notre Dame still relevant today? Are the Irish really overrated? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Thank you Josh for sticking up for Notre Dame. I would love for you to come to Notre Dame anytime you want. Lol
ND rests upon its storied history. They are a solid team year in and year out. But their money not history will nor donor fan base or fandom will move them forward in an ever changing landscape of college football. They have never been in a play off in the modern college football landscape and haven’t really been a serious contender for a national title in 20 years. You talking heads are the ones keeping them in the spotlight every year. They have such a storied history and strong national fan base, but they will be left out in the cold until they actually fully join a conference, not just associate with one in football. That’s what people really mean by relevant!!!! Not the straw men arguments you created Pate!!!!
@@jamesschmidlin1127 a conference doesn't make you relevant. Relevant is how much money you make for the TV companies. How many fans follow you. How many stadiums you sell out. Notre Dame is one of the if not the most relevant team in college football. It doesn't have to do with championships or conferences. People are going to hate on Notre Dame no matter what they do. And there's going to be a different reason every time.
A team not in a conference that has astronomical academic standards and still has made playoffs and wins 10 games. I’m impressed as an Alabama resident
Made a playoff and didnt yall have to vacate that whole season??
Astronomical academic standards don’t matter when you play sports. This argument really gets me mad. Notre dame recruits the same guys as Bama, Ohio State, USC, Texas. Go look at the top recruits and they all have offers from the same teams..
@@Purp4040 no, that was 2012
They need to grow up and join the big10
@@gideonrosa8079 yeah it was 2012 and 2013 season yall were caught playing ineligible players. Yall deserve divine punishment. Atleast another 40 years without a natty 🤣🤣🤣.
Very happy we’re getting defended. Finally
Thank you Josh!
Couldn't agree more! 🌍 From Taiwan, I've backed Notre Dame for 20+ years, even made 9 trips to South Bend! Stephen A. Smith's clueless; our global fan base speaks volumes. Haven't seen a Bama or Georgia club in Taiwan-We've got a dedicated one for Notre Dame each week! Go Irish! 🍀
How many N6 bowl wins do you have this century? I’ll wait
@@User-xv1fu I'm disinclined to respond due to my laziness, and as a non-native speaker, I lack the inclination to engage in debate. Nonetheless, it's evident your team excels while its fans lack discernment. If relevance hinges solely on winning N6, few teams meet the criteria. As for A Smith's assertion regarding relevance, it implies National Championship wins, not even playoffs. Many NFL teams haven't won a Super Bowl this century. Your narrow-mindedness prevents you from recognizing our upward trajectory and the joy of our fans, juxtaposed with your envy and suspicion
@@innovhub2339
I’m a lifelong Bama fan, but I totally support your fandom for your team. Every team has a fanbase. That’s what makes CFB great! Roll Tide
@@mynamedoesntmatter8652 What you said just matters. Thank you for your kind message, sir. Alabama's success owes much to fans like you
@@innovhub2339
Same to you, friend. I’m glad you’re a fan of a CFB team. I think that’s fantastic, and you’ve got a friend here in Alabama. My very best to you. See you around here again sometime, I hope. Til then -
Thank you for that information. It's never ND fans talking. It's outsiders hating on a program that's not running to a conference to chase money.
At this point when it comes to everybody that's not a Notre Dame fan and everybody else outside of the fan base is begging us to be in a conference at this point. But it ain't going to happen
They need to be in a conference
@@kdeb92968 Why?
Why ??......??????????
@@kdeb92968 cat got your tongue? Why?
ND fan here ... i believe your analysis was SPOT ON ... right now we are PRETTY GOOD and working to be VERY GOOD then better ... with MF in charge i believe the future looks promising ... thank you for this video ...
Of course you do your a fan of ND yall are overrated every year and haven’t won a major bowl game in like 25 years
@User-xv1fu Didn’t they beat lsu recently when bowl games still mattered?
@@JJ-zr6fu they never actually mattered considering they played zero impact on who wins the natty but that wasn’t a N6 bowl game even tho it was in New Year’s Day I don’t get it but i googled it and literally everyone keeps mentioning it
@@User-xv1fu Notre Dame does matter though, because beating them is a plus for your playoff resume. And get ready for it because with the expanded playoffs they'll be in it a lot.
@@User-xv1fu The only thing overrated are asinine comments like yours that have zero bearing on the upcoming year and just prove your butt-hurt.
Another point to the relevance argument. Wherever Notre Dame goes, they bring in the ratings. People watch because they either love ND or hate ND. Either way, ND brings these networks RATINGS. Marquee matchups, primetime games. Notre Dame brings it every time. Packed house thousands of miles away in Ireland. Miami fans will call ND irrelevant. Meanwhile, they can't even fill their home stadium
As a life long notre dame fan here that can think critically, i agree with everything said here. The concept of ND being irrelevant is, like you said, contradicted by the fact that they are such a big talking point right now. Also, i don't see ND as being elite right now... I hope they get there, and i think they have a path to get there under Freeman, but they have some yardage to make up here before we can put them in that category. I think ND haters out there hate ND because ND has the ability to dictate their own destiny from conference to schedule to anything they want and that makes people mad.
The thing that gets me, nobody from ND has said anything about the new CFP. I have not heard anyone complain, nobody has cried, not one word from ND. They are a national program, one of the only “national” programs. People to see them win but people also love to see them get beat, all good. Either way they get ratings, they get eyes, they get talked about.
We aren’t complaining bc our old athletic director literally came up with that idea
because its actually fair if anyone gave it any thought. The reason ND is fine with the way the current cfp format is because, by default, to get a bye, you must be a conference champion. Conference championships act as a teams 13th game of the season and often pit two highly ranked teams against each other. Obviously, notre dame doesn't play in a conference championship, meaning they don't play the 13th game, and do not have to beat a presumably very good team to get the bye. Instead they have to play and extra playoff game against a presumably very good team. Basically the first round of the cfp is Notre Dame's conference championship, if the win it, it's basically like they had a bye and won their conference championship. It actually makes a ton of sense for both sides. ND can stay independent and every team that is in the second round of the cfp have played at least 13 games, no matter what
@@aidan7738 yup
It all comes down to recruiting and player development and this current staff, in 3 years, has done better than the entire Kelly era. Things are just going to get better for ND.
yall are obsessed with bk
@@detectif1061it doesn’t make sense to compare the current to the most recent staff etc?? Nobody is obsessed with purple face in south bend believe that but it sure does make sense to look at the success he had. Though he didn’t win anything meaningful and never will freeman’s ceiling is much much higher so that’s why the comparison is there since you needed a breakdown.
@@detectif1061agreed. ND fans need to find a way to let the BK thing go. Don’t get me wrong. I understand the feeling of rejection they must have. Getting dumped for a better looking partner is tough on the ego.
i didnt need a breakdown at all you just felt the need to type a bunch of nonsense, my team actually wins nattys and we have your teams old coach who will win a natty here, be careful making assumptions buddy.@@jakepiper4289
@@detectif1061 Nope. You're obsessed with believing that we are obsessed. We are very happy to have Freeman over Kelly. You are welcome to him.
I'm pretty sure that the broadcast relationship between Notre Dame and NBC is the longest continuing relationship between a network and a specific entity in all of college football. There is a reason for that.
That statement is missing context. First, ESPN and the B1G had the longest-running relationship ever until the B1G ended it last year. Now NBC is also a partner with the B1G and initial reports are that NBC is very pleased with the ROI so far that's going to increase with the PAC-12 teams. There's a reason NBC/ND won't release details of their new contract because it's not the same as the old contract. It's rumored that it's a sliding scale based on ND's quality of schedule and no longer an annual flat rate. And I'm pretty sure there are incentives in there for ND to join the B1G so there won't be anymore double dipping on crossover games.
congrats.
@@heartbreak25 1. As you said, the Big Ten and ESPN are no longer partners, which makes NBC's relationship with ND the longest continuing relationship for broadcast rights in college football. 2. There are no special incentives for ND to join the B1G in the deal with NBC. Neither side would ever enter into such a deal. ND would not want to be boxed in and forced to join a conference; ABC/ESPN would gladly give them the same money and not pressure them into a conference. Furthermore, the B1G would not do such a deal either. They do not need ND and the member schools would never agree to pay ND more to join the conference. If ND wants to join the B1G, they would have the same payout as everyone else. 3. I haven't been able to find any information on any deal between NBC and ND since the original 5 year $38 million deal they did in 1991. So that doesn't mean anything. In fact, the AD of ND has said that if they cannot get the revenue they need being an independent, they would join a conference. The fact that they re-upped with NBC means they got paid.
@@heartbreak25the reason is they’re a private university and they never release those numbers for any contract
@@micah7405 The last TV deal was reported by ND so they could flex. They're not flexing anymore...
I’ve traveled all over the country and the world for work. There are a few team logos you consistently see in places you wouldn’t think they’d be and ND is one of them. I’ve seen bars in every major city and foreign ones that have ND alumni clubs that host games for all their sports teams. The other college teams are Penn State, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio State, UCLA. I’m not sure why it’s B1G related but these teams are consistently represented, too. ND, even during their mid seasons, always had a bar or two packed with alumni in places as far as Tokyo, Rome, Singapore, Bonn, Paris, etc… and their alumni are usually in management in top companies. The brand is forever relevant, not just because of football, it’s a culture that cuts deep in both academics and religion.
As a die hard Notre Dame fan I just sit back and laugh when people talk about us, because you can’t help but talk about us 🤣
As an Irish fan who grew up on Georgia. That’s all I’ve ever heard and it’s so irritating. Over rated is so laughable to me. We are rated right where they should be. I listened to Steven a smith trash something he knows nothing about, once again. We have a huge fan base that arguably stretches wider in the country than any other team. At the clemson game that was 30% green, I kept hearing “wow Notre dame fans travel well”, it’s not that we are traveling from northern Indiana, we are just everywhere. You either love them or hate them because there is this false narrative passed down from non fans that has been perpetuated, especially when we get blown out by an elite. If you hold Alabama to the least they’ve scored all season and then Bama blows out osu by a larger margin. You’ll only hear shit about the Irish.
Only team in cfb with an international following. Was blessed to go to the navy game in Ireland in 2012 and tons of Dubliners said they watched games whenever they could. Jameson distillery created special bottles for the game. Very very cool experience
Absolutely agree! As a die-hard fan from Taiwan, I've followed Notre Dame for over 20 years, even traveling to South Bend for nine games. Critics like Stephen A. Smith overlook our global fan base and rich tradition. Despite their skepticism, I stand proudly with fellow Irish supporters worldwide. Go Irish!
Maybe "overrated" is the wrong term. But I think ND gets trashed because whether it be big regular season games, New Year's 6 or Playoff games- They don't show up. 🤷🏿
@@OpenMikein7The majority of the country doesn't show up for those games. The majority of the country doesn't even make those games.
@davidboniface858 ND gets on the big stage and gets bodied just about every time. I think their called "overrated" because ND will go 11-1 or undefeated vs their schedule, play a top 5 program and get destroyed. People will say you might as well have let cincinnati or ucf take the Irish spot.. them losing a lot and not really being competitive doesn't help your argument.
Thank you, Thank you and Thank you Josh. Finally a person who really understands the Game of college football and the Brand that is Notre Dame.
Notre Dame has been a steady program over the past 8 years. Marcus Freeman has been a good hire and has gotten better as a coach.
great job josh! as always. REAL TALK. immaturity with social media and the internet runs rampant these days.
ND has made 1 national championship in 2013, 2 CFPs since 2018, and 3 combined BCS title/CFP appearances since 2013, a small handful of teams can say that. Take a look at ND’s strength of schedule, as a Kentucky fan, there are SEC teams that play easier schedules year in and year out than the Irish. If you call the Irish overrated/irrelevant plz educate yourself.
The hate for Notre dame stems from them being “important” enough to merit their own television deal and not need a conference. During BCS they had their own specific set of rules to qualify. People don’t like special treatment, especially for a program that doesn’t seem to have the matching relevancy
Any program that has a fanbase as big as them can be independent and negotiate such a deal. There's a reason why they're the only program that could sustain independence for such a long time.
@@davidboniface858 and any program that does it will be hated as such. Not denying their sustainability or prestige, just correcting/explaining where the hate comes from.
@@CJSHO the hate is dumb. Being in a conference doesn't mean anything. Fans put too much meaning into being in a conference. It was just a geographical agreement between similar teams. There's nothing more to it. Not being in one doesn't make you better either. It's just a good financial situation for a team. That's all.
@@davidboniface858 just speaking my own experience. Started watching ball at beginning of BCS era and teams were required to win conference to qualify for BCS bowl. So the conf was very relevant. Since ND was not in one, they simple had to finish in top 8 to qualify. I thought this was unfair and kinda special treatment
@@CJSHOfeel sorry for you and you have zero idea about what’s fair or not if that is the extent of your college football experience. It used to be top 2 teams or before that the top teams that the AP believed should play or splitting a championship. You’re hating because you hate.
People always pick on ND because they’re low hanging fruit. It’s pretty excessive. If winning national championships in recent memory (in the last 10 years) was the standard for relevance then only a handful of teams would be relevant. ND is fine just where they’re at. And they’ll most likely make the playoffs next year as a top 12 team.
Part of it is them not winning a BCS/NY6 Bowl Game in 25 years while plenty of programs not thought of as on the same level have won multiple (TCU, UCF, etc)
@@ZMack1023 This is where the "ND is overrated" argument takes a turn. Most reasonable ND fans will admit that ND gets preferential treatment when it comes to bowl selection because of the amount of money that ND can generate. However, this works against ND's favor because they end up getting placed in higher-tier bowls and matched against better opponents than what they should. You can look at the betting lines of past ND bowl games and see that they're RARELY favored to win because money has been the driving factor in a lot of the matchups, not competion.
@@jdonahue173notre dame outsides of the playoffs have been winning the majority of their bowls tho. Lol.
@@ZMack1023 fair enough
I think Auburn is a bigger brand going forward with hugh freeze and being the coach who beat Saban more than Kirby and recruiting is better !
Notre Dame is very comparable to Penn State. Lose to elite teams; win double-digit games; play a few great teams every year; contend for a playoff spot every year; wind up disappointed every year.
ND starting to spend money.... that makes for some scary teams possibly in the making. That place has a 35B endowment folks... and has been a tight wad the last decade
2:08 Just fyi for the graphic, the Navy game is at Met Life Stadium, since it seemingly lists neutral site game locations.
Stephen A spent 3 1/2 minutes talking about irrelevant Notre Dame in the offseason.
It's clear that ND lives 'rent free' in many peoples heads! Even-handed and well done, Mr. Pate.
And they may just be in the elite category this upcoming season. Only time will tell but I believe the talent and coaching is there for a run
Very good take and you are spot on about Notre Dame! I’m glad someone said it after the clown show we saw on espn this week. ☘️
Thank you for sticking up for the Irish. i appreciate you 🙏 Go Irish! We need more people like you in college football media. You make sense. God bless you 🙏
Thanks, this is fair assessment. Too many people (mostly media probably) want to call a program "trash" if they not in top 10 or or top 5 all the time. That's just unreasonable for any program.
Josh, you nailed it! Are there some ND fans who are a bit strong? Sure, just like every other school. Every school strives to do its best and really Notre Dame is no different in that respect. How people perceive Notre Dame is not Notre Dame's problem.
ND in the NFL. Look it up.
Auburn football look up their tv ratings and talent composite and in a state with no NFL teams makes them so special
Miami will be taking that ngl hall of fame spot from nd in 5 yrs
I've got no quarrel with anything you said. All I know is that in the fall my favorite team every Saturday is whoever is playing Notre Dame.
I have been saying this for years! Thanks Josh!
At the end of the day if ND was irrelevant as people say, I guarantee they would have joined a conference long ago. They would have not fought so long and hard to remain independent and every current conference would be willing to do what they can to get them in.
That to me is all you need to say. If it was ONLY success on the field maybe you could make the argument but it never has been.
I think with the prior playoff system, ND might have buckeld to loin a conference. however; now that it's expanded to 12, there's no reason too. South bend is a terrible location to build a football empire. them going independent and playing nationwide was the smartest thing they did. being in the bigten would have put a ceiling on their growth.
The Big 10 might have either wanted a piece of ND's NBC contract or force them to break it.
@@williamw3501 Why is South Bend "a terrible place to build a football empire"? What a dumb and lazy take. Like Columbus or Ann Arbor is any better? In fact, Ann Arbor gets colder than SB does!
@ramboeastwood1522 I should have said when it started. a program is typically good as it is location and recruited potential. Michigan and Ohio state started before notre dame did. even today, the area is crowded. whereas someone like usc has no basically no competition between Texas and Oregon. notre dame was the first team to go out of its way to become a national brand so it could recruit nationwide. if they stayed in the midwest the past 100 years, it would have suffocated constantly competing with osu and michigan. compound that with the academics, it would have likely turned into a northwestern or Stanford. it's not an insult. it was a smart move by notre Dame.
@ramboeastwood1522 dose that makes sense? indiana has a small population. where back on the 40s, the Detroit metro area was huge and had talent pool. Ohio has a lot of talent to pull from, plus if Go East michigan, penn State,Ohio state, take take the pick there too. that's why it seldom to see two programs right next door being really competitive at the same time.
Also I hear the pundits talk about how long between championships it has been for Nd. What about Georgia?
Thats true
Or Michigan? Or about 100+ other teams?
Definitely one of the first seats at the second table!
I agree that it's a media/poll problem. They've lost all 5 BCS and CFP games in which they've played. In those games, they've never gotten closer than 14pts and lost by an average of over 21pts. They lost 9 consecutive bowl games from 1995-2006. I'd argue that indicates they were ranked too highly and put in bowls they had no business being in, which is not the program's fault.
And how many of those bowls was ND favored to win?
@@Necile2 Results are what matter.
@@Educated2Extinction So?
@Necile2 Let me know if you decide to make a point.
Thank You Josh!!
This is the same video you made about Penn State a couple weeks ago just switched out PSU for ND both very appropriately ranked
Why is ND's AD in the room with the conference commissioners? Why does ND think it should get the spoils of major CFB without joining a conference? Josh can act like it is not ND, it the media, but that is BS. ND thinks it should be separate and special when it wants and it should still share in the spoils the same as everyone else. F ND and it's fans. When they win a major post season game again, come see me. Until then, they are some other team that does not matter. Knute Rockne and the 4 horsemen were a long time ago. Hell, Holzt - the last time they really mattered - was a long time ago. Hope these FACTS don't hurt your feelings.
Last time they win a ship it was stolen from Miami in 1988 with a horrendous call against Cleveland Gary. Miami wins they win the ship. Asterix
@@jaimealvarezmd7245 Kind of like how ND got screwed out of the 1993 championship by FSU, right?
Josh spot on and keeping it real. A very good team trying to kick in the door.
Can't wait for the new season to start! Let's Go Fighting Irish!☘☘☘
What’s there playoff/bcs record the past 20 years?
I love when they say the overrated jingle. ND is irrelevant, but they end up in the "key wins" category for every opposing team. And to those that just can't hold back the jealousy and hate......before you comment on how awful ND is....name your team....it's always Crickets University.
Thank you Josh. I applaud your honesty with regard to the ND program. At the moment they are second tier. But the recruiting classes are getting consistent top 10 for the last 3-4 years. The head coach is young, energetic and relates to the players.
They may not win a natty but I would rather be here than a program in turmoil/transition and struggling. Besides if you have never been on campus for a game day? It is a bucket list item. September to early October is prime weather. Leaves turning, warm temps and a beautiful campus.
Keep up the good work. You are doing a great job.
OSU has a 6-0 record against Notre Dame since 1995. The last time Ohio state lost to notre dame was 1936. I would never say Notre dame is irrelevant because they are typically a really good team, but they certainly have their issues like most other programs.
How many other teams have a losing record against OSU? Why are you singling out ND?
As a Michigan fan I usually hear "overrated" or "irrelevant" when pointed at Notre Dame in the same way it gets pointed at Michigan. It's people who don't like that their school doesn't have the same history or institutional cachet as Michigan or Notre Dame, so they have to lean on whatever recency-biased silliness caters to what they want to believe.
In other words, I take it as a backhanded compliment to the program I support, since it's clear the reason they feel angry about it in the first place is insecurity.
Saying Notre Dame is not relevant to college football, is like saying Whiskey is not relevant to Ireland..............Good job Josh..
I think the problem is people and colleges are getting worried now cause ND is allowed to do what the elite team's have been doing illegally for years. And also they see coach Freeman and his staff are starting to become elite recruiters and going in everyone's backyard to get some of these players. And they all know once ND becomes elite again which will happen soon the college football world will be theirs and they dont want that to happen.
This is why the SEC had one of their worst overall performances in over a decade. It leveled the playing field (for the teams that have the money). I'm happy to see them start to invest proportionately to elite teams again. It will pay off eventually.
Delusion is fun ain't it
@@jaimealvarezmd7245I'm guessing you would know alot about delusional
@@jaimealvarezmd7245 And jealousy is hideously ugly.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING THE OTHERS KNOW WHAT A REASONABLE PERSON SHOULD. THE ONES MAKING THESE STATEMENTS CANNOT BE UNBIASED AS A TV PERSONALITY!!!
Thanks josh!! I let smith and finnbaum my thoughts yesterday ( term i used was jackasses😂)but i know they had no idea ND is ranked 8th in winning percentage in the last 10 yrs👍🏈
Talkin' about Notre Damn in February isn't relevance. Its boredom.
FACTS. Appreciate the honesty and truth. People need to hear it. ND has not been as good as Bama, Georgia, Clemson(a few years back), and Ohio State, etc. They’ve been a 10-15 team on average the past 5-8 years. They haven’t been those teams but barely anyone else has either. They are amongst the first at that second table, as Josh said. Agreed. Go irish ☘️
Well said sir. All facts. Go ☘️
Good analysis by JP. ND is definitely relevant. They are a top 10 program that may be on the rise to the top 5 with Marcus Freeman. But it would seem their days as an independent will end soon.
The Notre Dame AD is the only AD on the CFP board. I suppose that makes Notre Dame relevant, at least to some extent.
Mr. Pate
Two words
Thank you
Thank you for being truthful and fair. ND is not the best. But ND is a good solid program.
Thank you for being fair
Other media are not. Period
Higher academic standards. Way higher. Independent. Still winning 10+ games a year and sending a lot of players to the NFL. Pretty good if you ask me.
This topic has been viral for decades. So much for being "irrelevant."
Logic. Reasoning. We love JP! ❤☘️❤️☘️❤️☘️. Go Irish!
We need to join a conference!!!! Damn relevant, we want another championship. We need to figure out how to get 5 star elite athletes 😤
A conference doesn't make you recruit better. Maryland isn't all of a sudden a great recruiter because they have a Big Ten sticker. Either you have the staff or you don't.
@davidboniface858 Maryland is not and has NEVER been at NDs level. Going the big ten gives ND more exposure to athletes, 5 star and portal athletes who may have opted for Ohio State, Michigan, and Southern Cal, ALL who have won national titles since we last won one.
Plus no way ND win 3 games in a playoff against elite teams. It ain't going to happen
@@robertfrazier6279 In what way does ND not have exposure to those 5 star athletes now?
ND's independence allows them the schedule flexibility to play games from coast to coast, rather than being limited to a certain geographical region. Their deal with the ACC allows them to play games in Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina and their rivalries with USC and Stanford allow them to play in California every year. They will usually throw in neutral site games in New York, Texas or Chicago.
The only limit ND has recruiting-wise is their high academic standards, which automatically reduces the available recruiting pool by about 30-40%. Those standards are not changing anytime soon.
There are valid arguments to be made for ND joining a conference. Recruiting is not one. Conference affiliation does absolutely NOTHING for ND's recruiting.
@@robertfrazier6279that will do nothing. ND can't get more than 1 or 2 5-stars typically is because there are only around 55 of them so finding a bunch of those kids with the grades is difficult.
then when you do find the kids with the grades you still have to out recruit local schools in the south and on the west coast as well as convince them that they NEED an ND degree when many of them are only focused on making the league.
Not to mention that not many power 4 football players going to any school don't have a job lined up if it's not in the NFL. Nike basically hands jobs to Oregon players.
I genuinely don't know how anyone can expect them to get as many 5 stars as Miami, Ohio State, Bama, Georgia or insert whatever 3rd and 4th SEC team is hot that year on a consistent basis.
Is it possible to have years where they can? 100%
But being in a conference doesn't fix that. Winning literally anything does. Win a playoff game or better yet a championship that is the biggest improvement ND can make to there recruiting pitch.
And that is extremely possible. We saw Washington and TCU win playoff games with recruiting classes outside of the top 25. We saw Michigan win a Natty and Notre Dame perpetually out recruits Michigan in the rankings.
There are no more excuses when teams like that can win. None. Zero. And once they do win something of relevance for the first time in essentially 40 years, Notre Dame will unlock a new level to there recruiting.
But these kids have parents who weren't alive last time ND won.
@@jdonahue173 interesting assessment we just disagree.
100% agree with this analysis. As an ND fan I’ve said that over the past decade or so, ND is a great program, not elite, but in that 5-10 range. Bama, Georgia, Clemson, OSU, OU probably, and now (as much as it pains me) Michigan over the past few years. They get clicks so they are talked about a lot, but even the preseason rankings vs final rankings don’t show them as really being overrated either. They’ve gotta make some strides to become elite, but if losing to Bama, and Clemson in the playoffs makes them trash then 95% of college football teams are trash.
I love Josh. He says exactly what I always say to the haters who never reply when I say the same thing. How are we underrated when we aren’t even predict to win the whole thing and make in into the top 10 at the end of the season? Make it make sense. lol.
ND gets a little boost in the rankings pre-season. So do a lot of other teams each year. They also pull more TV eyes than most other programs. Big whoop.
All I'm saying is if you look at Josh's last 15 videos the Kalen DeBoer Bama video has the most with 28K views. This Notre Dame video is second with 19K. If that's not relevancy I don't know what is.
Is Josh Pate any relation to Joe Pate a long time South Bend sportscaster from back in the day?
Everybody likes to dump on ND because their own players end up in jail and contributing NOTHING to society.
It doesn’t matter if ND has a great, good or poor record. They bring in the viewers and that’s all that matters for the people running CFB. So ND may be irrelevant in this or that year’s championship or best teams discussion, but as long as they bring in the viewers they are relevant to the networks who supply the money.
Positive Pate
NOT a top tier program and haven’t been for 20 plus years. They’d be a mid tier SEC team usually bowl eligible, but losing 3 to 5 games a year.
I'm from South Bend so maybe I'm a homer, but yeah 👍
Thank you Josh for infusing rational thinking into this hater debate. Despite people no longer caring about student-athletics, Notre Dame has demonstrated a definite chair at the second table all through the Kelly and Freeman years despite having academic qualifications. Should be applauded, not vilified. This small 9,000 student school does it right, and has beaten Clemson twice, Oklahoma, Michigan, USC numerous times, and lost to Georgia by a total of 7 points over two games!
I respect you Josh you said this last year as well thank you. Haters gonna hate. Go Irish!
Notre Dame is also the 2nd smallest school & you have to have at least a 3.3 GPA to play football there.
Sane with miami so don't fall off your high horse
I’m not a Notre dame fan for the most part I don’t care about them. But I think the Notre dame hate comes from jealousy for their ability to be independent. You don’t think the pac 12 schools wish they would’ve been relevant without having to jump to another conference.
And don’t give me they’re arrogant for being independent. Notre dame tried multiple times in their history to join the big 10 and Michigan blocked them the last time was in the 2000s when penn state was chosen instead of them. Notre dame made it work being independent.
Everyone knows it's jealousy. Those haters actually think they're fooling people.
ND is not irrelevant. I think some people are confusing results with national profile. ND is one of the most well supported teams in college football. The reason people are talking about ND right now is there is a distinct possibility with realignment there are less seats at the table and SECs and BIG10s of the world with their size and influence will influence the rules in the future so playoff births are allocated by conference and with ND remaining independent means they could be left out of the dance even if they have a good season. College football is ruled by money so if it makes sense got ND to join a conference they will. All the talk right now is just that, talk. Personally I do find some ND fan’s annoying but no more so than Texas, Alabama or Ohio State fans. However that is probably influenced by the Michigan fan in me.
Yeah, good thing there are no insufferable Michigan fans.
The problem with ND is they lose all the big games. they think as a catholic school they are so holy and above everyone else because of academics and still believe they are the greatest!
We gonna be a great team they are getting better players and all right now they gotta keep freeman I feel he could get us to the promise land
Someone from the media who uses facts for their argument.
Conferences and Teams are scared because, if ND ever gets back into the elite group and start winning championships, every conference including the SEC and Big Ten will get hurt. Everyone is praying for a team like ND never wins another National Championship. It’s tough to beat the relevancy of a team that still cares about academics as much as sports.
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The only complaint I have about ND has more to do with there fans thinking they are more then what they are. I have heard so many ND fans complain about the new play off not being fair and the ND president should have vetoed it. First off the SEC and Big Ten are going to look out for there interests they could care less about what it does to any school outside of there conferences which is what they should be doing. Secondly if they had tried to hold up any deal they would quickly find themselves out of the conversation all together because the Big Ten and SEC are powerful enough now that they get to make all the rules and if you stand in there way you will get steamrolled. Because you are independent and on your own you are not going to get a seat at the table and will just have to except whatever decision that comes down from the Big 2
ND fan here. I can assure you most ND fans have been aware of the new playoff rules for a couple years and are totally fine with it. If anything it could be seen as an advantage for us. If you see any ND fans complaining online they either haven’t thought it through completely or they don’t have all the information
I’m surprised at how comfortable you are with other entities that do not have your interests at heart dictating your future I think ND in the end will be forced to join a conference either because the money gap is just to big for them to compete, cut off access to play anyone in the big 2 or lose access to the playoff. I think if they wait until after the ACC is broke up and we know who the teams are that make the cut the likelihood that the Big Ten or SEC would let them in drops dramatically because they just won’t need them and in fact them being independent is taking money and attention away from there programs
@@johnboltz2768 I just don’t agree with that last part. ND will have no issue finding a conference to join if they are forced to. The brand and revenue stream is just too big. That’s why other conferences like the Big 10 have already come to the door begging for them to join. No one is going to say no to a brand that big.
@@johnboltz2768 The thought of ND not being welcomed with open arms by any conference is laughable. I say that not because ND has had any great recent success on the field, but because of the amount of revenue that ND would generate for a conference.
One of the main reasons the ND football program has been able to stay independent for so long is because of the enormous amount of money they are able to generate on their own. Every conference would be falling all over themselves to add those revenue dollars.
The only way ND will ever be forced into a conference is if their path to a national championship is ever blocked. As long as ND has a way into the playoff, they'll stay independent.
Also - no reasonable ND fan is complaining about the playoff structure. ND doesn't have to play a conference championship game, so they essentially have an easier path to get into the playoff.
@@jdonahue173 I think I need to clarify right now you are correct ND is the biggest fish out there that is not already committed they are not the biggest brand overall. What will happen over time is little by little they will be cut off that is why ESPN is so public ally going after them. I think ND would be an awesome addition especially to the Big Ten for so many reasons I won’t get into. I guess CV my point is they are on a time clock the will at some point be fired to join a conference the longer they wait the more risk they run at being shut out of it all. They won’t destroy you over night they will little by little isolate you the fact that ESPN is attacking you so blatantly is a sign a shot across the bow saying there has been a massive shift in power and you will either jump on the wagon or we will slowly and methodically tear you down. We start with public persecution then once that target is achieved we go for your games like USC if that does do it then we keep tearing you down but by bit until no one even remembers anything good ND has ever done. Then once public perception is what they need it to be you will be totally cut off. When you are independent you have no ally’s or anyone that will stick up for you. When you had 5 conferences and divided power you could get away with that but not that all the power is consolidating you will join or tossed on the scrapbook of history
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The issue isnt where ND ranks. Its that the new playoff seeding doesn't allot them an automatic bid into the playoff. This has been my problem with them as a Michigan fan. They want all the accolades and none of the criticisms. They play every sport other than football in the ACC but want special privileges for football and "value their independence". They are a spoiled franchise who is getting paid pennies on their NBC/Peacock deal compared to the Big Ten and will likely get kicked off of NBC when their deal ends in 2028. Just join a conference already
Hey man, they play teams in the middle of the other teams conference games, wake up.
Love it! Going to laugh my ass off when ND says f it and open’s their 18 billion dollar pocketbook to prove a point. It’ll happen bank on it!
I mean, they already have with the Denbrock hire, and the Golden extension 😆
Notre Dame is a top 15 team as of recently. I’m not gonna sit here and say they should be higher, they fall short on games that could really make a statement for them but I think they earned their rank this past season.
If they’re not relevant then why do people debate them so much. Outside of bama, Georgia, clemson and Michigan, Ohio st ND is the best program in the last 10 years. So 5 programs in the country are better than them but yeah they’re not relevant 👌
Oklahoma is a better program over the last 10 years than ND.
Notre dame is the only team to start 2-0 with wins over rice and ball st and somehow go from unranked to top 10. They get love based on their past.
They need to join a conference for football if they want to conoete fir championships
What’s the data on success rate playing with 10 guys on the field? Freeman and the whole program is an embarrassment to college football.
Noter Dame never shows up to big games. They haven’t won a major bowl game since the late 1980’s. They won football games. Big deal 😂. So does Sam Huston and USF.
notre dame is in the same boat as michigan was. there a blue chip program with a massive fan base people love to hate. there consistently a A tier program. not S tier. at least not at the moment but most aren't, not consistently. they will eventually make it back.
go blue!
This team doesn't have astronomical standards, grow up. This is not the Service academies. They have NIL. 5 star wants to get into the school, they will.
notre dame is a fine team but they always underperform in playoff games/ championship gamesfor the past 10+ years. theyre very good. maybe top 10 sometimes but not a serious contender.
Agreed but i think with the coaches they have, they have the opportunity to turn that around.
The majority of the country hasn't even made a playoff game or has performed just as bad as Notre Dame
Penn state without the ny6 wins. Good program but its a waste of time to talk about them in national title conversations. Got shit tons of fans
Also Notre Dame's Head Coach is sexy af.
Take Notre Dame out slip in Ohio State same argument.
Norte Dame football is relevant bc they signed a great TV deal 40 years ago, and their brand is tied to a religion not because of anything they’ve accomplished on the field
They are 0-8 in BSC/ NY6 bowl games.
Their last major bowl win was 30 year ago
Half of their fanbase has nothing to do w the school outside of a religious affiliation or their dad/ grandpa liking them bc “that’s who was on TV when I grew up”
They should of beat Ohio state they needed that win 🏆 to put them on the map 🗺️ again gotta win 🏆 a big game like that
GO IRISH!
Notre Dame still needs to beat Clemson again and win a playoff game to get rated
ND just beat the crap out of Clemson in 2022.
@@Necile2 that was two years ago. Things have changed since then. Just ask Nick Saban
@@aaronwestbury It was a year and a half ago. And they still beat the crap out of Clemson.
@@Necile2 Notre Dame sucks. They got exposed by a freshman quarterback