The Sabotage of Saints Row
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- čas přidán 8. 02. 2024
- Here's the truth why you haven't got the patch.
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The Saints Row series has to be one of if not the most tragic and saddest downfall of a game series I have seen yet.
@holloaway @r1s0tt0 right why couldnt we have had just more of 1 and 2
@r1s0tt0 3/4's remake got cancelled so I wouldn't say the series is at a high point.
silent hill too
@@darkcheeto3338at this point there will be no more of Saints Row as Volition shut down
@@czarnakoza9697 at least it’s back with a remake, even tho i wouldn’t be surprised if it would be as bad as The Lost Message because Konami
Him deciding to take on a surgery that would leave a terrible life to live, but give him more time to work on the patch, is fucking heartbreaking.
:'(
Legit made me tear up, I haven't even played a single Saints Row.
Espcially when it seems to not really of mattered in the end for how long he had.
Literally crying right now
Damn. That's some real passion and dedication. Went out like a real one
A betrayal AND cancer? The universe does not want Saints Row 2 to succeed. RIP Mike Watson.
Now what
@@AliBazzplay the ps3 or 360 version I guess
I asian I don't understand what happened with betrayal...
did that guy stole the money and disappear?
@@methman9212 how does de idea of demandin de source code from deep silver employees/ utubers non stop sound to u? Interested?
@@eric-nd9yy nah he lazy
I wonder how Thomas aka Minimaul feels knowing he basically killed not only Saints Row 2 on PC, but Mike's career and ultimately, Mike himself. Knowing that if he spoke up sooner about his lack of abilities so new developers would have been added to the team, there was a very good chance the patch would've been released as planned. But since he stayed silent and ghosted Mike, he pushed the dominoes that ended up with Volition closing their doors. Hope he's happy living with the fact his arrogance and refusal to be upfront killed a franchise he loved so dearly, and the stress induced by his arrogance killed his good friend of 10y
minimaul probably doesnt care because he is a piece of shit
That’s what I kept thinking. I can just imagine mikes boss saying “where’s the guy at?” And Mike having to cover for him only to be ghosted twice before getting let down hard. If he’d just said from the beginning he couldn’t or didn’t want too Mike could’ve moved on and got more work done. Selfish minimaul
I think that... He doesn't care.
He's still not as big a villain as Volition itself - the first betrayers
Best case scenario: Deep Silver realises the love and care fans have for SR2 and decides to start work on a remaster. In the best event they’ll restart work on that patch and integrate it into the remaster or start completely fresh (which, knowing bigger companies, is the more likely scenario).
Worst case scenario: Deep Silver abandons the IP altogether with the reboot serving as the final entry.
I generally hope they’ll see the value in the franchise and restart the series from where Gat Out Of Hell left off, a semi reboot with familiar characters in a new scenario with gameplay similar to SR2. A new open world town, familiar faces and fun gameplay
So, Mike Watson wanted to not only get the Saints Row 2 patch done, but also bring SR1 to PC, revive the multiplayer, port SR2 to newer systems and, hopefully remaster them both? And he worked on that patch until his dying day?? That is some absolute next-level dedication to the series, it's a shame that bellend Minimaul pretty much ruined the entire community.
You can play SR1 60FPS on xenia now. Hello btw
@@jaccthemac wowww I just wrote a comment above qqing and now saw this comment, time to get xenia
Hey nathan
Mike Watson had that drive, that passion to deliver what fans wanted. He worked endlessly on a game he loves. In a way, he was the Messiah of the community.
We will never forget you, Mike. ❤
He was.. is a Real Saint !! ...of these 3D streets :)
Seeing Mike so excited about finding the source code is absolutely heartbreaking. This man would have single handedly fixed this game, given the opportunity. I've never seen so much love for a single game from one person. Purely good things aren't meant for this world I guess.
It's a shame seeing someone give something there all out of pure passion and be struck down by something as evil as cancer man...
OG devs were built different. I can't imagine a single person in today's day and age go to such great lengths to fix a game not to mention while also being afflicted by a life threatening disease.
how is this not 'today's day and age' @@NympoGaming
Just gotta pick and choose which 3D moments you experience via the 4D construct of time. This world you find yourself in exists in a multiverse, it is not the only world much like you aren’t the only you in existence.
@@nathanlevesque7812they’ve merely chosen the worst possible moments to experience while you’re still open to the best.
so tom just waisted time and money and derailed all future updates by not just admitting he sucked at coding.
How is the community not more mad at Tom? I’m over here boiling that he didn’t our boy so dirty and he continued to funnel money from a project that we all wanted. Like he’s the reason our guy was working on it till his death, Toms the reason he got un promoted too.
@@timbaker69 if history is a amazing teacher, the ones that may be mad are probably banned from whatever echochamber discord server or subreddit that may be.
The story of Saints Row really is a modern day tragedy. Mike Watson was the fucking MAN, and the fact that his one dying wish probably won't ever be carried out is awful. The gaming industry really is heartless nowadays.
First I just want to thank you Flippy for making this video. I’m grateful people can fully see the passion Mike Watson had for the Saints Row community and the lengths he went through to try bringing as much joy to it as possible. Even beyond just the patch, Mike always put the fans above all else and did countless things for us behind the scenes. Without him, we may have never had those legendary Volition’s streams, Saints Row Undercover would just be a mystery (let alone publicly playable), and so much more. You couldn’t have asked for a better community manager. For Mike, it was never just a job, it was a privilege to work for the studio that made some of his all-time favorite games. After everything that’s happened and everything Mike went through, I only hope Deep Silver realizes how important it is for the patch to be finished.
Amen, brother 😔✊🏻
Hi mrsaintsgodzilla21. So good to see you homie ❤ 🐀
How many times we have to repeat the same demand we don't want them to fix anything, we just want them to release the source code so that we fix it ourselves because they can't fix anything, and by us I'm definitely not including you cause i can NOT trust you
So for anyone reading, try to reach out for anyone you can on any platform and tell them to release the source code for sr 2 AND 1 and that's it full stop
@@super.somarionyou don’t trust saintgodzilla ? 🤣
@@bu3584 yes, embarrassing at times, i disassociated myself from people like that cause it's just a nightmare having them try to represent me and be my voice, so if you want to help try to reach out to anyone at deep silver in anyway possible and try to have the source code of both of them released
Saints Row 2 should have had the DLC available for PC a literal decade ago.
Facts
Can't you get it through mods or no?
@@nostalgiaholic4874I think the only way is to emulate it through xenia.
@ThisUsernameSystemF-ckingSucks hmm OK still sounds touch you would need to.get sr2 for xenia and then install the dlc somehow. Xenia is great cause it uses gpu but they don't care like rpcs3 does
This is kinda where revere engineering the games is likely the best way forward, but we need something better than github.
I refuse to believe Mike didn't hand the source code to someone in case of his demise. I hope it gets "accidentally" leaked sometime in the future, the man worked too hard on the game for it to end like this.
On that note, are you hiding something from us, Flippy?
What a story, this is so heart touching. You can feel Mike's passion for Saints Row 6:19, "it feels like I'm about to wake up from the best dream."
Saints Row fans CANNOT catch a break
First time? We had abysmal PC port for SR2, huge nosedive in quality with SR3, fun but recycled game with SR4, bad and recycled again game with GooH, and misunderstood reboot.
@@p0werfu11 there was nothing misunderstood about that reboot, people understood perfectly and thats why they skipped it
@@reorseX I don't know, normies' meltdown after the first trailer and then constant second-hand embarrassment from both gamers and devs seems like a big misunderstanding for me
yeah join the club fans of the game series prototype got screwed over too
@@InkyBlitz >takes the mainstream position
>sends someone to r*ddit
try to see a bigger picture next time
The fact that Mike Watson STILL dedicated himself to work on the PC patch for Saints Row 2 knowing full well that his minutes of life on Earth were running out is the best example of an individual being so passionate about a game franchise enough to continue his work on his death bed for the community involved. There isn't anybody out there who has this level of dedication to ensure that we can enjoy a game that is as beloved as SR2 is. For that, IdolNinja will always be a fucking warrior. As much as I want to see that patch get finished for it to be released to the public, at the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if Embracer/Deep Silver doesn't bother to invest in it moving forward. It would be a huge disservice to Mike, but then again, when did these companies ever have a heart? Only time will tell.
R.I.P. Mike Watson.
We need to be more vocal, until this game gets patched, we must demand gearbox to stop working on whatever bullshit they are calling a game to fix the patch FIRST
I've literally never met a single person who's work gave a fuck about anything other than the bottom line unless they are their own boss
@@jjcoola998 we got to start somewhere
If a Saints Row 2 remaster comes out it better have either Mike Watson as an honourable character, or in the credits with the title "True Gentleman of the Row".
Beautifully done.
Thank you Raycevick, Very cool!
Rest in peace Idol Ninja. I never cared about Saints Row until 2013 ,aka the fall of the series, but after hearing his story it saddeneds me to this day.
Rest in Peace in Peace
@@unoriginalperson72 whoops lol thanks for grammar correction
It always makes me sad no one enjoyed this series when it was in it's prime, it's like almost everyone who knows about SR was introduced to the series after it started downfalling.
@@dallas5832 it’s not even that I didn’t want to enjoy the series and it’s prime. It’s that when it wasn’t it prime, I was four years old. Lol 😂 but hey, I still think it’s better to appreciate a classic series rather than two either a hate it or b never heard of it at all.
@@dallas5832 i only ever heard about the third and 4
Actually cried during this. I was so so SOOOO upset that they couldn't even be bothered to actually fix this mess. One man, a small team, they had the gusto to do it but life had other plans.
Rest In Peace Mike,
Rest in Peace Saints Row.
Amen🙌🏼
grieve but do not despair friend
No wonder he called himself "minimal"
He literally destroyed the foundation of the franchise, the community and a good man who trusted him. I hope karma catches up with him
every dog has its day
in reality karma doesn't always do its job, but it will fuck up his mental and haunt him, i mean who the hell can stay positive running away from responsibility after neglecting and betraying someone trust and leave them to their painful deathbed, also disappointed a huge amounts of people in a community, its a pretty tough life to live that way.
@@tpvgg Oh, ho ho. You sorely underestimate the level of narcissism and apathy that has been cultivated in individuals by modern society. I promise you there are people who sleep soundly every night after doing things more assholish than this to others. Humanity has been sorely corrupted. We need a moral reboot badly.
@@TubeOfLaughes craaaaawling iiiiiin my skiiiiiiiiin
Honestly I completely forgot about volitions closing. This story is so upsetting and I had no idea how bad Mike's condition was when he was sick. So sad a different team can't figure out what one man could accomplish. SR2 is a very special game made by a talented group of people and Mike only makes it that much more special. Thank you Mike, for all the work and dedication you put in for all of us.
It deeply disgusts me that they promised him a team would work on it, and then it never happened. He spent his last days working on this for free and was not only barely acknowledged, but lied to.
Have you seen a picture of the volition developers on the reboot? Pretty obviously not trustworthy people.
Oh shut the fuck up, everyone there wanted to make this right. It was Embracer's creatures that ruined everything.@@Gamefreak2998
@@Gamefreak2998
You don't know those people. They don't work in the corporate side, they made a game they were told to. Hatred isn't gonna help Mike's work, it only damages it.
@@dreamer72 Wish I could have that kind of positivity.
Seriously though, if they aren't/ cant do anything with the project they should find a way to release what they can
lmfao cuz the developers working on the then new game were definitely in charge of the management of projects and allocation of manpower@@Gamefreak2998
What fucks me up the most about it is that we sadly live in a world where money takes priority over a man's dying wish.
Where there is a will there is a way
Well yeah, fixing a fucked up PC port isn’t something that’s going to be done for free.
This is why we need socialism
@@realCyng ah yes
@@realCyngThis but unironically
Mike always put the community first, even when he knew he was running short on time. I can’t imagine being faced with my own mortality, telling it to fuck off, and going back to work on something so many people have dreamed about for years. Life’s not fair, and it’s especially unfair when it takes the coolest fucking people for no good reason.
R.I.P. Mike Watson.
I haven't seen any project that had so many worst-case scenarios. It honestly does feel like the Saints 2 patch was sabatoged.
Thank you Mike Watson for all that you've done. Rest in Peace, gangsta. 🙏
RIP IdolNinja, every time I think of Saints Row, I think of you.
This was crushing to watch - I was part of the Something Awful community and frequented the Saints Row thread all the time, Gentlemen of the Row was THE way to play and IdolNinja was a really cool guy and regular poster. Loads of us had purple avatars and fleur-de-lis under our names. This video was how I learned he passed. Rest in peace man, you made my favourite game even better.
Market: We want a SR2 Patch!
Volition: Saints Row Reboot with 0 soul. Take it or leave it.
Market: We will not buy this game.
Volition: How did I go out of business? I just don't get it.
Embracer Group: Damn you, capitalism. Foiled us again.
Correction
Market: we want the sr2 patch!
Volition: I gotchu
Deepsilver: No the fuck you don't
Correction: Deep silver: we don’t want a continuation of 2 that wraps up the dex storyline.
Volition: uhhh what do you want?
DS: a soulless reboot.
It really feels like we all got the bad ending.
Just like Toys r Us, volition only crime was being collateral for a corporation.
Volition spat on it's fanbase for a decade, they were the problem.
@@JohnathanWilliamson849How? And don't use your example of a former dev agreeing on what Anita Sarkeesian said that you spam on every single video because that's invalid.
@@markweis6619 If they listened to their fanbase instead of what the journalists said about the games they made we wouldn't be in this mess.
@@markweis6619 And don't use your example of someone else using an example of Anita Sarkeesian being the literal worst thing to happen to the entire videogame industry as a preemptive claim of invalidation, because that's itself invalid. Seriously, get mental help. You can't just proclaim a valid point invalid and not come off as a useless twit.
@@KiraSlith You’re all useless twits who cares? Let’s just focus on making Mikes dream a reality! Rest in peace Idol Ninja.
I am surprised to learn that Minimaul was the one who fked us over with the patch and possibly with sr1pc project too. And i was the one who keep telling everyone that he needs to be the community manager after Mike. Damn man
Flippy, thank you for sticking to your ideals and not signing the NDA. This video has brought to light so much information that the community has deserved for a long time. It was a pleasure to once collaborate with you and godzilla on the saintscast. RIP Mike Watson.
Damn what a ride. I hope people never shut up about this patch because it would be a crime if it never saw the light of day.
I fought through the pain of the pc port about 5 or so years ago to experience this amazing game and I've wanted to replay it ever since, but I've never been able to remedy the crashing on my hardware even with community mods. I've followed this patch since it's public announcement and seeing how it was and continues to be a shitshow is deeply saddening. I can't think of a game more deserving of a better port than Saints Row 2. Even past that, it is disgusting to me that Mike Watson never got to see the fruits of his labor. He was more passionate about this game than anybody else.
I hate to say this but the source code will probably be lost again
I know it's not the same but you can get a PS3 Super Slim for like $80 and acopy of SR2 for like $5 on PS3 the PC copy ain't going anywhere if they ever do patch it or you could also get a Xbox 360 E (E does not mean Elite its a separate model that came after the Xbox One much like the Super Slim) and SR1&2 for like $100 altogether
@@CYAN_TOP_HATI hope someone leaks it
@@NotThatJonesShow I would suggest getting ether a Xbox 360 or a one with SR 1&2 plus it’s DLCs, since the PS3 version of SR2 has much more frame drops and tends to freeze a lot more then the xbox version. Also you can still play SR2 online on xbox unlike the other versions. Also, Also one should be careful to buy those versions at least in the US or UK because there are way to many german censored versions still out there.
@@NotThatJonesShowDude nobody wants to have to do that and rely on old consoles we want the game to be patched so we can play it on PC and on steam deck both now and long in the future so the game will be preserved and fixed for good
As sad as this is, I’m atleast grateful I was able to experience saints row 2 on the Xbox 360… that was truly the peak of gaming.
Reminds me of the L4D2 “””community””” update, just a bunch of people who didn’t care about the game at all, only wanted their names and mods attached to the game, so longstanding bugs and issues were all ignored and we received nothing but arbitrary changes to the game.
Sounds like the Saints Row community was very, very lucky to have Mike, even if things haven’t worked out as you all would have liked... yet - hopefully things might still work out for the best though.
Man, this really sucked ass. They even managed to ruin compatibility with half of the community workshop mods.
What a sad situation. But respect to Mike Watson for willing to sticking to it until the end. Thats gangsta. RIP Saints Row. Rest Easy Mike Watson.
RIP Idol Ninja, me and him used to be friends on steam and he would let me message him on there and it was so cool of him to dedicate his time to a random saints row fan for a few minutes every day. He truly loved and cared for all of us and was always happy to help and be there for you. Him taking the time to answer my DMs for a couple minutes of his day meant so much to me all those years ago. I’ll never forget it.
Back in the day while playing sr4 I had an issue were an ability (tornado I think) prevented you from completing some activities. Went to SR forum looking for help, and Mike not only told me what mod to use to fix this, he also was patient enough to tell me how to install it properly.
This man was a paragon of passion, charisma and hard work, I think we all can agree he made this community better, and he will always be missed.
I wish i was able to interact with him, he sounded so cool and probably could single handily get the fans through dark times like the reboots reveal
Fuuuuuck, that sucks. That really sucks. Poor Mike.
Hopefully, one day, Deep Silver will get the patch made. Chances are slim, but I can see a trailer for Saint's Row 2: Unf*cked Edition come out one day dedicated to Mike.
How lovely would that be?
Kind of tragic how a group called Embracer isn't embracing anything at all
Oh, they're certainly embracing ESG scores.
@@KopperNeoman and they are reaping massive net losses thanks to it.
ESG scores? 🤔@@KopperNeoman
Edit: Nevermind...
rest in peace idol ninja hurts to see he was one of the only people who actually cared about the fans and was super hard working and dedicated
Corporate greed will continue to ruin everything in our lifes
Capitalism*
still the only good system@@loogiemaster308
@@loogiemaster308That's what corporate greed is.
That's my point@@EldishRinger
@@loogiemaster308 You didn't need to correct him then.
At this point, might as well program AI to create the patch for us.
RIP Mike. And thank you Flippy for sharing all of this. Instead of being hopeful for the patch, I just learned to appreciate what we got.
They should release the Source Code Publicly,
Someone needs to a long with the latest test build i am sure theres some modder who would pick up the work just need the community fixing whst they can
Not happening. It's deep silver's property, and considering that SR2 is still up for sale they would be practically giving us the whole game for free in exchange for a tiny amount of attention. Maybe they can do it under some very specific license, but I wouldn't get my hopes up
@@updog4Ldon't get your hopes up instead break into their company and steal it yourself, once it's In the public, we Good.
It would be the best and the only way to bring the SR1 source port and SR2 patch to fruition, but it'll never happen. Deep Silver would see it as giving their game away for free, even though it's 15 years old and they don't even sell SR1 anymore. Not to mention that the source code =/= the entire game, but corporations don't understand that. To them, a 15-17 year old codebase of a game is the entire product, even though without the gigabytes of assets that still need to be acquired commercially, you can't have a fully working commercial game with the source code alone.
The same corporate mentality that led to the patch being stuck in this indefinite limbo is the same mentality that'll never allow for it to happen. And if by some chance the source code gets leaked, Deep Silver will do their best to go after anyone distributing it, because it's their copyright, their intellectual property, and only they can decide what they can and cannot do with it, even if they'll never do anything with it and just sit on it.
@@billforson3143Wait for them to sell their property or auction off the hardware, rob the auction house like that casino from SR2, release the source code, profit! I call dibs on the life sized Saint statue
the only thing we can hope for is a anonymous leak by one of the employees.
I take this story quite personally, because I had a cousin who brought me into the Saints Row franchise when I was younger. Like about 6 or 7. And it was a blast to play the game and hangout with him. Not only that he would be sure to let me play Saint Row 2 when it came out. He’s really the inspiration to me for gaming and he had such an influence in my life to be a good person. Unfortunately he passed away early in his life and I never got to share that Saints Row 3 experience with him. Whenever I play 1 or 2 I always remember being in his room playing late night until morning. Or looking up early CZcams videos about game secrets. It just makes me sad hearing about this story now and feeling some connection to my early childhood with a cousin I’d always visit every weekend to play games or box with.
A man who opted for surgery so he could live longer (despite having adverse effects on him) just to have more time to finish his work is truly the epitome of love and dedication. That man deserved a much better fate.
Saints Row will always house an amazing community thanks to people like Mike. Reading this comment section, I'm so glad to be part of this fandom. I hope nothing but good things come your way, everyone :)
You know that episode of SpongeBob where his eyes get all big and he starts crying and runs away? That’s us rn
CD Projekt also did the port of Split/Second to PC. They didn't learn jack shit from the experience with the PC port of SR2, as they somehow managed to make the game worse on PC, even with a game breaking save corruption glitch that was never patched.
Cyberpunk moment
CDPR were always the shitheads of development. So many morons defended their terrible work practices and insulting attitudes to quality control. More than Bethesda, I add. Whilst I'm glad that people now see them as the naked frauds that they are, I'm not impressed at all at the collateral damage inflicted on the men and women who have to work under those cretinous cunts.
@@rangerv1 CD PROJEKT /= CD PROJEKT RED. CD PROJEKT was the polish game publishing company, so their team mostly worked on translations.
@@rangerv1 cd projekt red had nothing to do with this port, it was done by the localization team of cd projekt (the overarching company), which had previously mostly focused on localizing games for the polish market and had very little experience with pc ports
reminds me of the witcher 2 on pc, more saves you have more lag game will produce and game will create a lot of saves thanks to autosaving
this is legit one of the most tragic stories in gaming I've ever heard, with all the videos that you and other were talking about this patch, it's absolutely heartbreaking to see that it end like this.
I'm not really familiar with the Saints Row series, I've only played The Third and IV game, but I've always wanna play the first and second game (I tried playing SR2 on pc before, it's not really going well obviously) when I heard that there's gonna be a new patch for SR2, I was excited. I really wanna play this game. but we all know what happens.
and also the fact that Mike was literally working on this project until the day he was gone, with all the pain he has to go through.
if it wasn't for Mike and the community this wouldn't even be bring up at all in the first place, and it's just all gone to nothing.
I honestly don't know what to even say anymore, but I would love to thank you, Mike, and all the other community member that keep this dream project going on as long as it could, maybe it's meaningless coming from an outsider like me, but I really mean it.
let's hope that we're all gonna have a better day than this.
God this is so fucking sad. This whole game franchise and channel, but the whole story of this fucking pilar of the community, hope some day this game gets the justice deserves.
Rest in peace Mike.
Idolninja is rolling in his grave. Those incompetent clowns couldnt even keep one promise.
Man, it really makes you wonder how the series would've ended up if literally anyone but Deep Silver/Embracer Group owned the IP. It's just a tragic state of affairs all around and even now, it would be nice for the patch to still be worked on. If not for Mike Watson then only because it would be the only way for Deep Silver to rebuild fan trust and get them remotely interested in future SR games.
AJ said to support this video, also Flippy I used to use your tutorials and stuff back in the day., this video really almost made me cry :( RIP Mike we all love you :(
Me just 20 minutes ago:
"Oh, just a fun Saints Row video! Let's check it out"
Me right now:
😭😭😭😭
I feel like its pathetic that the gaming industry so badly needs shiny new everything (engines, graphics) when the bones and consistency of their games is what makes them so game-like and so unabashedly unique.
The SR2 reboot/remaster should have happened much earlier on as that was what caused the hype and thus sales for SR3, not SR3 itself.
Volition/DS could have made their money back if not profited by not rebooting the franchise (and alienating everyone in the process) and focused on re-releasing (Remastering) their greatest assets, SR1 and 2. Multiplayer co-op would be booming right now if they had.
The people at the top of the western games industry are mainly all people who do not play games. This is present in the East too but not to the same extent, this industry is unlike the others but they use the same stratagies to get profit. The western industry is dissolving pretty quickly because of this and Saints Row was just another casualty in the crossfire.
@@aledantih6524 Eloquently put and agreed.
Admit that people liked SR3 and stop whining
Remember those comments from people saying flippy was lying & didn't know anything about what he was talking about with the patch? 😂
This just made me miss Mike more. He was not only the best community manager for SR, but the best community manager for any studio. His legacy needs finished. We need this patch for him
Algorithm.
R.I.P Mike
In an alternate universe, we have the patch, an SR1 port for PC and Michael is healthy, proud and treated as a hero amongst gang bangers the world over.
RIP IdolNinja, I wish things could have been different for Saints Row
SAINTS ROW 2: UNFUCKED EDITION IS LITERALLY SO SR2 I JUST CAME
P.S Rip MW 🎉
@@Pyracantici don’t think we can get this patch anymore 😭
Watching flippy videos is just bitter sweet at this point knowing what could've been with the series. Thank you and everyone who worked so hard on keeping our favorite games alive. Rest easy Mike, you earned it.
Mike watson sounds like an absolute blessing, and Im sorry for your loss. I hope this blows up, and they realize completing this over all their other projects might buy whoever does it so much good will with the gaming community at large, that they might benefit. Idk. Thank you for sharing this story
Mike got absolutely fucked over. Such bullshit bro, he didn't deserve this shit. So unfair
RIP Mike Watson We Truly lost a legend
This video make you realise on how much this franchise suffered from a lot of bad decisions, and sometimes bad luck. It's tragic because we all know Saints Row 2 is far better than a lot of GTA games, Saints Row franchise could have been so much more.
Did it? 3 was the best selling game in the franchise so it’s not surprising that Volition went with that direction rather than 2s
@@rexthewolf3149 Yep but what made SR3 the best selling title in the franchise ?
Because SR2 was a masterpiece, it had already prepared the terrain for SR3 ! Also the marketing was really really insane for SR3 !
Tbh, in 2009 I had never heard about the Saints Row franchise, I was playing GTA 4 and TBOGT a year later, and then I discovered the franchise with SR3, and then played SR1 & 2 later on.
It's a proof the marketing was not that good for the first 2 games.
@@rexthewolf3149 Yes. Although it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. SR3 led to the community being split and with them jumping the shark with SR4 it resulted in the series writing itself to a corner with no possible return. The only possibility they had was rebooting the series but with the series essentially irrelevant and the entire Saints Row community extremely divided, they had no clear direction anymore. And by the time the SR3&4 fans grew up, most of them were already sick of the goofy tone and the early 2010s humor and wanted the series to be more balanced like the first two games. Although mainstream reviewers probably said otherwise. But with no clear audience anymore and mainstream professional reviewers being idiots, all they could do was play it as safe as possible and say "fuck it" and try to imitate SR3 but make it appeal to a newer and younger audience like Gen Z, which of course failed miserably.
2024 and STILL my favorite game of all time. Can't believe how I never tire of it after all these years. Watch Dogs 2 is the closest thing to this timeless masterpiece in terms of open world free play and both games STILL give me endless pleasure 😍
I'm gonna miss how much of a family the community felt like back when Idol was first staring GOTR. Saints row has brought so many good memories to my life I hope some day we get to see this patch. RIP MIKE 🖤🖤🖤
Really gonna miss Saints Row & Volition. Huge part of my childhood, it’s sad to see it go out like this.
I may not have enjoyed later Volition games like SR4 & AoM but I always hoped they’d succeed because of how passionate they all were. The Volition streams with Mike, Alex & Chip were awesome.
Rest in Peace Mike Watson⚜️
You might not read this bro, but I admire you so much, I can tell how painful those times might have been for you, how much the series mean to you and how close you were to accomplish something greater than all of us could have even imagined. Been watching your videos since I was a kid, SR will always have a special place for me, I'm glad you are not quitting and I'm glad and thankful that you shared this story with us, ur a great guy Flip, so seemed to be Mike, he would be proud of you and the community that I have also had the pleasure to witness grow, never stop bro, I thank you for your dedication to the series I love
A SR1 port to PC would’ve been fucking amazing. Thank you all for everything that you’ve done for this community ⚜️
The real 3rd Street Saints were the friends we made along the way
Hey, Flippy. I talked shit to you years ago because I had liked SR3. I'm sorry, you were right about where the series was going and I was wrong. I recently played it again after years of not having played it and yeah... It's not good. Can it be fun? I think, yeah, but it's still not better than SR2 or other games I have played. I was a teenager when I talked that shit to you. It was hard for me to accept that Volition's days were numbered. Honestly, I wish Volition did more with their older IPs. Like Red Faction and Summoner. Very good video by the way. Rest in peace, Mike Watson and Volition.
why does his voice sound so different?
The fact u realized that u were wrong is seriously amazing, Flippy would appreciate it.
@@riz984 I think it's just Flippy choking up because he is telling a rather depressing story. I know if I had to tell a story such as this, I'd be holding in the sadness for the video.
hey, good that you're able to admit your past mistakes like this. that's really strong.
May Mike continue to rest in peace and light. In the name of the Father son and holy spirit Amen.
Godspeed you literal Saint. I and others may not have known you till now. But for what you did for the series, for all of us regardless of platform. Despite of everything. Thank you.
Man, all my homies hate minimaul.
Rest in peace idol ninja.
His dedication to the community and his passion towards the games will forever live on.
as for the rest of this video... I don't even know what to say... Mike was such a great man in such a difficult situation, hearing about the beyond troubled history is a testament to Mike's dedication and to deep silvers incompetence. If deep silver has a shred of credibility left in the soul they claim to have, they should push for making this patch regardless of finances... Easier said then done I know, but how about making an investment in community trust? an investment in some serious fan service? Or maybe just to honor a legend. It's time for deep silver to understand they own an IP with a rich and crazy history and it's up to them to carry on the torch... Whether they like it or not....
Watching the video it was genuinely gut wrenching hearing the passion one man had and for it to be stagnated and pushed to the side by others... Heart breaking honestly...
I think knowing all the facts and seeing this video... I can't rightfully say I would feel comfortable buying anything else deep silver make until this patch is out there... not until this wrong is righted...
as for Mike man... kills me that I never got to meet him... He sounded so fucking awesome and his impression on the community might just be bigger then some of the games themselves.... Rest in peace
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God damn I miss Mike ;(
RIP 🙏🏾
Rip
I know for a fact you can't talk about community trust like how you just broke my trust completely
There is still a small chance that the community can fix it. Reverse engineering is an option and if any of those play test builds contained .pdb files then it would make that process easier.
Test builds didn't contain pdb files
That chance goes from being small to substantive provided there exists a good git platform to support such an effort. Along with proper information and tutorials on reverse engineering. This reality remains a distinct possibility and something that can indeed be done.
@@RNA0ROGER The question is, how long can that be hidden enough without them going for a case of cease and desist?
@@BeyondDaX the developers would have to stay anonymous, this could be done before the development process starts by creating a trust network between the dev team with PGP so they can validate all git commits. “The council of Mikes”.
P.S. to anybody reading this; I would be happy to key sign with C++ game devs and reverse-engineering experts ;)
@@BeyondDaXHost outside the project outside the US sphere of influence, along with having a no log policy. They can send DMCA's and cease and desist letters until the sun goes cold.
Thank you.
not just for this video, but for sticking around as long as you have, I have countless channels i'm subscribed to that have all gone dark over the years.
Its always good to hear from you Flippy
Prob cause this website is Uber trash
Outsider to the community here - really appreciate you making this and sharing Mike's story. He's an absolute inspiration. And it's good to be reminded that despite all the corporate greed that is associated with gaming nowadays that there were people that are still so passionate and cared, even if it was ultimately sabotaged.
RIP IdolNinja.
I'll never forgive Volition for not fulfilling his last will.
It wasn’t volition it was deep silver and embracer, everyone at volition loved him and was loved for his passion of saints row 2, when mrsaintsgodzilla’s nda video is out it will change everything
@@rangerv1 I want to believe that, but I doubt that's the case if they left 4A to their own devices.
Make a studio. Crowd fund the fix. I refuse to believe this isn't possible. Something can be done if people pull together.
This is the saddest game development story I have ever heard. Being backstabbed working on a game while dying of cancer, then having the studio get shut down... I have nothing but respect for Mike Watson. Rest in Peace.
flippy goes above and beyond for their scripts love all the details in vids like these
in tears btw
It's really awesome how well Flippy's videos have aged compared to many other CZcamsrs. Seriously, his SR2 vs SR3 video does not at ALL feel like a 2012 video. His 2012-2017 videos are still just as watchable as they were when they came out. And the best part is, Flippy has only gotten better since, the script and writing for his videos have so much more poetry now while not feeling too different from the edgy and funny Flippy we all know and love.
This video was just salt in the wound. I pray some random company picks the franchise up just to release the SR2 patch. RIP Mike Watson, you made Saints Row special.
Chances are extremely unlikely without buying the IP first
i just hope someone leaks the source code and project online
If they haven't now, chances are low later on
Yup, I cried. Mike was a inspiration to me to. I will NEVER give up on SR!!!!!! Thank you Flippy for the video.....NEVER LOSE FAITH!!!!!
It's really sad to see what happens to Saints Row, 2's story was so amazing. 3's gameplay is so much fun, especially with your friends.
RIP Saints Row, they deserve better
Mike deserves to be remembered as a hero in the gaming industry. This man is absolutely legendary. I never knew any of this was going on, the only info I knew was watching your channel, Flippy. Been subscribed for years.
R.I.P. Mike W.
The saddest part about all of this, is the obvious, Volition for all the hate they have received over the years, has never once been the perpetrators behind the problems we as a community have had.
They’ve been just as much a victim as anyone else, if not more so. Mike would have wanted us to know that, know that Volition does care even if they don’t show it often. They’ve always been at the beck and call of their corporate masters regardless of their own, well, volition in the matter.
Whether it be THQ, Deep Silver, or Embracer Group, Volition was never once fully in charge of their destiny nor their own creative process. As much as it might hurt knowing all the work Mike put in could potentially go to waste, let’s not let the work he did for the community at large go to waste. Without his voice in the company, we need to speak louder for them to hear us. Let them know it’s worth it, let them know we still care, and they should too.
It’s going to be a while until we see results, if we ever do. But we have a better chance at seeing them if we work together than we do without doing so. This isn’t about SR2 anymore, this is about giving the community an opportunity to give back to Mike. He wanted this for us, now let’s get this done for him! He worked until he couldn’t anymore, the least we can do is ensure that all his efforts bare fruit! Thank you for this Flippy, many people didn’t know about all of this, though some of us have been following this close enough that most of this isn’t really new information. Hopefully we can see this through, without Volition being around anymore, who can say?
Too bad there are people that still blame the company rather than the ones responsible
After hearing all of the tragedy, I'm so happy to hear flippy continues making videos.
Now imagine if the people in charge of the original PC Port for SR2 had just done their job properly, imagine if this patch wasn't even necessary, all of this tragedy and heartbreak wouldnt have ever happened
This is why it's so important to do our jobs properly, there are consequences to disregarding the quality of our work, our failures can lead to people in the future being screwed like this, if the original port team had simply just cared enough: this disaster wouldn't have happened
R.I.P Mike
RIP Mike.
So tragic on so many levels. Mike got soo close. May he rest in peace. Thanks for sharing Flippy. I know that you found some healing and reconciliation for yourself in making this video.
This is really the end of saints row, I always used to say it as a joke whenever a new saints row game or dlc would be released but this is actually it.
And I thought after everything, we would at least have something that everyone could enjoy, something that was made by the fans and for the fans, but even that was put down.
Rest in peace Mike, and rest in peace saints row
Thank you mike, for everything you did for the series
Just an all-around shitshow this all was. Mike Watson really tried to make the best of a fucked up situation. He really loved this game and its fans, and the fact that it might end like this... No. I can't accept this. Mike was working on the patch on his deathbed. He knew he was dying, and he still worked on the patch because he believed that it would one day get released. We as Saints Row fans need to make sure this patch gets released, and gets enjoyed for generations to come. And hell, while we're at it, get the SR1 PC port done. Get SR1 and 2 remastered and ported to the newer systems. Do it all for Mike. He was, is, and always will be a legend
Don’t leave us again!
Saints Row 2 has always been my happy game. It's my favorite game of all time. I'm not a PC gamer, but to know someone devoted such a strong portion of their life to the very end... Man that makes SR2 mean so much more. #ThankYouIdolNinja
I've had a spotty history with the Saints Row community but I remember sitting up and watching the streams with Mike and Chip and all the other volition members back during the 10th anniversary of Saints Row 1, and when AOM was being developed. I really enjoyed those streams and everyone involved at the time seemed really passionate about the series and it was just a really fun time to be a fan of the series, even after 4 and GOH put a bit of a nail in the coffin.
Everything that's happened since then has been really depressing, and I genuinely feel very sad and sorry that this is how things turned out for everyone. Despite everything, I will still cherish a lot of the memories I've made with this series, such as helping with the Secret Stash, hanging out in the VCs with everyone, and just having a good time playing co-op with hundreds of people over the years.
I'm genuinely really sorry that things turned out this way, but I'm glad I got to experience it even if I wasn't exactly well liked. Thank you guys for everything.
- Coolmcgroove.
I appreciate the closure, but it does feel sad.
Even if we shouldn't feel sad, it still drags on.
Thank you Flippy for making this and raising awareness.
Crying right now no bs. I love people like Mike. Pure dedication and love. What a guy! I had grown up with this game series. Very interesting seeing the ins and outs of everything. I hope for some closure on this soon. Thanks for sharing Flippy.