Why Season 7 of Game of Thrones is SO BAD
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- An analysis on Game of Thrones season 7 where I critique the writing and show how bad it is in comparison to the earlier seasons of the show. Season review basically.
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Intro: (0:00)
Rushed Writing: (0:31)
Contrived Writing: (6:44)
Butchering of Characters: (9:07)
Conclusion: (15:15) - Krátké a kreslené filmy
I hate that D&D didn’t just hand the series over to someone else. The fact that their egos were so much bigger than caring about the quality of the show will never not disappoint me, mostly because it’s just so disrespectful towards the fans and the legacy of the series.
The story of Hollywood and western entertainment, really. They nearly always bite off more than they can chew. Then they dont release the meat until there is nothing left for others to enjoy. If thats not bad enough, in the last decade they started to put together the leftover bones, animated them and tried to re-sell them as meat.
Then u should have hand the series yourself because u know everything
@@microcyc5123 pretty much everything Else would have been better. So yeah, i would have done it instead
@@mathiaschristensen8387 u want to, but the question is do you have the brain to do it? I bet u don't
Hand it over? And not earn as much money? Haha you fool, something impossible shouldent be able to anger you
Them handing it over was impossible
As the show went on, the writers became more and more obsessed with the word “cock”.
They probably thought it would make the show more 'edgy', but it just made it more immature...
Probably compensating for something
@@BH-98 yes criticising cock jokes by making a cock joke yourself. very mature of you!
Cock jokes were relentless and boring. Cheapened the whole experience
That’s cause they suck
I agree with everything. I can't believe how people only criticise season 8 when season 7 was absolute garbage as well.
For the hopes of season 8
the season 6 isnt that good either, and the downfall started in season 5
I hate season 7 more than I hate season 8
Because 7 catered to shitty fan service that people wanted more than good writing.
Because most people who watch the show are normies who don't have enough grasp of the story, the characters and that world to realize how bad It was, unless something really scandalous and blatantly nonsensical happens like the coronation of Brand or Dany going insane for no reason.
I couldn’t believe how indifferent she was to losing her dragon. I thought what was going to be kind of a big deal. She was more upset when My sundae died.
Rip My sundae
I could forgive it if they showed her grieving later. Like what we saw there was shock and the grief and maybe anger haven't settled in yet... but no
@Dookuology
Rip
My
sundae
@Dookuology read the original comment.
@Dookuology I realize that, boo. It was just a funny misspelling to me and an even funnier difference in literal meaning.
Everyone makes typos and I wasn't trying to 🔔shame🔔shame🔔shame🔔 OP with my comment. It just made me legit lol.
Season 7
JON SNOW: We need allies
Season 8
JON SNOW: She my queen
Season 8
ALSO JON SNOW: "I dont WANT IT!"
@@TCthaCrisis Don't you mean "I DUND WANNIT!" ?
She’s your aunt.
@@mettekristiansen8647 Even better
Season 7
JON SNOW: The Night King is coming
Season 8 (first half)
ALSO JON SNOW: The Night King is coming
Season 8 (second half)
ALSO JON SNOW: I dun wun it
Jon : "How many men do we have in the North to fight him?" "Ten thousand? Less?"
Ser Davos : "Fewer"
The best dialogue of season 7 because it's a reference to the Goddamn Mannis
Dumb & Doofenshmirtz treated the rightful king like trash and then there are also these usurpers dogs who say that Stannis will burn his daughter in the books 😂😂 Let‘s see how surprised they will be when Stannis defeats Bolton in the open fields of Winterfell
@@larochejaquelein3680 i really hope so
@@larochejaquelein3680 yeah, he'll burn Melisandre before he burns his daughter that's for sure.
Gave you a like for being a fan of the true king
@@Abdallah-dv7kv Renly was the true Kin... ehem... er.. Ki.... I can't even say it. 😂😂😂
The show went from top tier drama to a fan service action movie. I personally feel, GOT was always about exceptional writing and buildup, never the guns and big action sequences. It still hurts me to see how terribly the show ended.
I wish the Walkers would’ve just killed everyone
@@MasonOfLife far better than seeing characters butchered by dumb and dumber.
I still prefere the fan service action movie to season 8.
Fan service action movie? What fans were serviced? I thought it was disliked by largely everyone .
@@carolinemikaelson1939 i guess some fans were serviced with jon plot armour, tyrion making cock jokes, etc etc. Though I don't think I should be calling them fans.
Jaime leaving Cersei is probably the only good scene in this season (along with Olenna's death scene). Shame that they butchered it in season 8 along with his entire character arc with one line of dialogue.
I never really care, about innocents, and otherwise
That still makes my blood boil, goddamnit
@@olivierroussin4432 I asked my brother what the worst line of dialogue was and he immediately mentioned that one.
It's such an insane contradiction to his entire character, and one of his best scenes (in the bath with brienne) that it's astonishing how they just didn't care about anything making thematic or narrative sense.
@@diegomorett142 since season 1 you see he cares about honor and innocents (his talk with his father about his concern for being called kingslayer and his dual with Ned Stark) so yeah. This is like if Iron man said fuck off save the world i will continue to sell weapons.
Yeah, when Jamie said that I said, "welcome back, Season 1 Jamie. It's like you never learned a damn thing."
Can’t Believe it’s already been 2 years since the show ended. If things went the way HBO wanted we would still be theorizing about the end. What a shame
oh man that just brought my depression level to new depths..... much cry.
I want to keep theorizing about the end. UGHH COME ON DUMB AND DUMBER REALLY?!
Not true at all. Whenever a new series ends, it's popularity and interest plummets anyway. It has nothing to do with the last seasons only being 8/10 rather than 10/10 like the rest. This would have happened anyway
@@daniel15yearsago66 Saying that last seasons were 8/10 is VERY generous at best.
@@daniel15yearsago66 false. Breaking Bad ended on a very high note. The spin-off Better Call Saul, based around a comic relief side character, is one of the best, most acclaimed shows on TV.
The fact that this season holds a critic score of 93% on Rotten Tomatoes is insane to me, with the consensus reading: “After a year-long wait, Game of Thrones roars back with powerful storytelling and a focused interest in its central characters - particularly the female ones.”
Which is interesting as D&D either betrayed or barely did anything with the female characters.
Ew
the show/books have such an amazing array of female characters and season 7 butchered almost all of them lmao
Season 8 has flaws, this one has a lot less. 😥
These people killed the show for real.
I hated how they made Casterly Rock look like a normal castle. It's supposed to be a impregnable stronghold inside a freakin mountain that's taller than the wall. Not even dragons is able to touch it.
...Harren thought walls would protect him, but then came Aegon with his dragon. He roasted inside these walls along with his sons...
@@Daneki There is a picture of Casterly Rock in the book of a world of Ice and fire. And it is pretty clear that dragon wouldn't be able to melt it to the ground. Still great quote though
Highgarden as well looked nowhere near book Highgarden, and the fact It was taken that easily, with all the manpower and ressources that the Tyrells had, and how they made lannisters just teleport there and nobody new there's an 10K army marching accross the reach was one of the worst S7 moments for me.
@@bloodravenn8305 Sure was. Casterly Rock and Highgarden were my biggest letdowns. Instead of having an episode for EACH, or at least both, as epic as the siege of King's Landing in s2 but with more money involved, we got next to nothing. And even that was like 'I'd rather just to unsee this, please.' (Minus Queen of Thorns' last moment. One of the few highlights of the season.)
@@bloodravenn8305 It was a stupid joke when they show how strong Tyrell armys are in Season 6, and then had the Lannister wipe out the WHOLE Army after one cut scene
A lot of people just bash season 8 and think that's when GOT died. But the more hardcore fans I guess you could say knew the quality dipped straight after season 4
banter fc
It dipped with season 5 but season 6 was the second best season after 4 in my opinion
@@cloudgary7596 6 was better then 5 but worse than the first 4, let’s be honest. at least story wise. there was nothing really left of the books to adapt unlike 5 so the writing took another clear dip in quality. it was fine with great moments.
@Ali Chaudhry This! I feel like 5 is mostly solid with some bad scenes, while 6 is mostly mediocre with some amazing scenes. For this reason I always have trouble ranking those two.
5 and 6 were still watchable they felt like the same show just not as good 7 and 8 literally were not the same show and characters
D&D bailed out on GoT to go write a Star Wars movie that was so bad Disney released them from their contract.
And don't forget that cringe inducing "Confederate" story they wanted to make about what if the south won the civil war. Knowing them they would NOT have handled that well at all.
@@drartemisa21 Man in the High Castle, but confederacy, and incredibly cringe and simple is what I can imagine. Idk who would have published that, gut glad that one got axed, as well.
Because the people at Disney probably actually read the scripts and realized how terrible D&D are at there jobs. Sadly apparently there’s nobody at HBO who read the scripts because anyone with a brain who read them would vomit and then fire the people who wrote it.
@@ayourmum8521 Then why didnt Disney read the Star Wars scripts?
@@Grivehn touché
Didn’t actually watch those Star Wars movie so I don’t know how bad they actually are
One thing that absolutely infuriated me about season 7 is that Jaime didn't immediately leave after Cersei blew up the sept with wildfire. Omg why? He killed a king for just the *intention* to do that. And then D&D have the nerve to write a scene where Cersei asks him if he is angry and Jaime answers "No, not angry." I'm sorry - but WTF?!
That was a major red flag for season 8 now that I think about it...
But noo, they had to force their stupid twincest storyline down our throats.
At the end of season 6 when cercei was crowned and jamie just got back he was staring at her menacingly and thats when i knew ok thats it he finally hate her, shes done the exact same thing that aerys did and jamie killed him for it as his kingsguard so i thought yess thats it the prophecy’s true he will kill her in the end. Him going back to her in the end was almost the biggest disappointment for me but literally every characters arc was a massice disappointment so i cant really choose😭
Well according to Jaime later on, he didn't care about the people, innocent or otherwise. So at least D&D made sure their bad writing had continuity 🤷♂️
It became increasingly difficult to see Arya as this amazingly gifted athletic assasin. Especially without the "faces"
Well, they need to show off these performances, these faces.
They also ruined the White Walkers on the long run when they introduced the bullshit plotpoint that all wights die automatically after killing a general. Yet they conviniently spare one wight for the sake of the plot.
Imagine what would've happened to Tywin if he lived up to Season 7 and 8? Kinda glad he died off when the Show was doing rather well with its writing and characters.
Seeing Varis and Little Finger getting ruined was bad enough
Him telling Cersei to marry The Night King, would of been hilarious though.
Him telling Cersei to marry The Night King, would of been hilarious though.
I know this is a 'glad this character didn't live to see this' comment, and I 100% agree with that, but I can't help but picture the Night King raising the Wall another 200 feet or so when he hears that Tywin's on his way!
Tywin is dead in the books. Plenty of equally great characters still survive in the original material. Game of Thrones got bad as soon as Tyrion started growing a beard.
Baelish was an excellent character, a true mastermind. God, what a WASTE : his death was so meaningless i hated this season because of this
They just wanted that shock factor that sansa and Arya were working together aLl AloNG 🥲🥲 wasn’t shocking at all so that was a failure 🤧
Same here, was so excited to see what all his trickery and years of deceit would achieve and I was utterly disgusted with how pathetically they killed him off.
What was worse at the time was the fact that almost every online forum and all of the media praised the hot mess that season 7 was.
Baelish died as a character the moment he sent Sansa to Ramsey. He was as much of a dead man walking as a white walker. His death in S7 was just to put him out of his misery. At least he still had a few good lines to give.
@jerri golay Yep Couldn’t agree more 👌
The real baelish would have skipped town the second he heard bran say "chaos is a ladder" lol
It's actually incredibly easy to track when each character stopped being interesting or well-written; literally every single character starts wearing only black from about season 5 through 7, and each time someone makes the switch from their old outfits they immediately become a brainless plot-advancer with no character motivation or logic
It happens in practically every show or movie made nowadays, because for some reason writers/costumers seem pathologically incapable of showing that a character is in SERIOUS MODE without turning their entire wardrobe black "because black is like, a badass colour for cool characters" in the eyes of apparently every showrunner going
Goddamn it’s actually amazing how true this is when I think about it
Omg you’re right. Tyrion, Jon, Daenerys, Cersei, Jaime, Arya, Sansa, Bran, Theon, Davos, Brienne, the Hound, Grey Worm, Missandei, Varys, Littlefinger, Gendry, Podrick, Bronn, Jorah, Qyburn, Euron, Yara, Sam, the Mountain, Beric, Edd, the Night King, Glover, Olenna, Ellaria, Hot Pie, Wolkan, the Sand Snakes, and Lyanna Mormont all wore dark clothing in the last two seasons. The only ones who didn’t were Tormund, Melisandre, Thoros, Gilly, Meera, Strickland, Ebrose, Edmure, Royce, and Robin Arryn.
My least favorite episode of the whole show is always gonna be the one in season 7 when they go beyond the wall and trade a dragon of a wight. It's so incomprehensibly stupid on all levels. They think a small group of rangers can catch a wight from a giant army of dead without being killed. Check. Only two people in the group have ever been beyond the Wall before. Have the others even seen snow before? Btw, they aren't covering their ears either, they really do care more about looks than frostbite. They didn't use a dragon to get there, and Tyrion thought this would actually change Cersei's mind. You have already checked those two. Then after being attacked, they conveniently get to a safe island, and conveniently the wights are just standing there waiting for the water to freeze. Somehow Gendry, with no experience in winters, manage to escape and complete a super marathon back to Castle Black. Then they speed run Gendry sending a letter to Daenerys, and Daenerys flying all the way beyond the Wall, just in time before the water freezes. Check. How did Daenerys even find them so quickly? Then the famous "Jon Snow not getting on the freaking dragon", which gives the Night King enough time to kill Viserion, when he should instead have killed Drogon and all the people on him. Then the NUMBER ONE most HATED moment of GOT, imho: Jon being saved by Benjen in the most cliche Deus Ex Machina imaginably possible: "UNCLE BENJEN!!!! I THOUGHT YOU WERE DEAD!!!!!!" "NO TIME TO EXPLAIN, YOU NEED TO GO!" **Then dies so he can avoid explaining wtf just happened.** We're still not done here. After they all escape, the wights manage to pull the dead dragon up from the water with chains. Where did they get so much chain, and with that thickness and quality too? Did they just find that conveniently or did they make it? How the f*ck would they make that? How did they attach the chain to the dragon? If they could swim, why did they wait for the water to freeze when they surrounded Jon and his friends? There was no point showing the dragon at the end of the episode at all, it would be a way better payoff to just surprise us with it at the season finale. Then they could have avoided the problems with the chain as well. Instead, we were all just waiting for the zombie dragon to show up, killing off all the cool revelation they could have given.
And why did this episode exist? It was only so the Night King could get a pet dragon. I mean, an ice dragon is freaking cool, but I'm speechless of how much they forced it. It's like they're trying to defend themselves, saying all this devoid of logic was necessary to achieve this. They could seriously not think of any other way to handle Viserion over to the Night King? Like, just have the Walkers attack the edge of the Wall, by getting around through the water. Then make Daenerys fight them and lose Viserion in the process.
I know season 8 is awful, but even that can't beat my hate for the Beyond the Wall episode. I can't think of a single good thing that episode gave.
It's even more stupid when it's considered that anyone who dies far enough North has been established to become a wight unless the body's burned. They set that up within the first two episodes of the show. They could have taken a random prisoner and left them outside for a night. So insanely dumb.
Don’t forget how somehow Jon didn’t freeze to death (not to mention all the others) after falling in the freaking lake, in the middle of supposedly the worst winter in centuries? In that kinda cold, water does not take long at all to freeze. If someone in that weather managed to fall in a lake, they’d be dead in minutes, with or without an undead army at your heels and an absurd, random “good” undead uncle to come out of nowhere to save the day.
This comment is spot on
this should be pinned. spot on. this comment can be adapted to explain everything wrong with GoT.
@@Elliottklassen Not within minutes, water that's near freezing, you know when you have to fall through just broken ice to get into it, is a death sentence for a fully clothed person. Even if you get dragged out after 30 seconds, and you stay in those clothes, you'd freeze to death because the water is still on your body, and will now freeze around you, the very clothes first giving you insulation from the cold air now acting as a portable fridge.
Season 7 is the reason I didn't watch Season 8. So... maybe I should give it some credit for letting me dodge a bullet 🤔
I’d call you lucky but I feel bad for you because you had to watch Season 5.
@@gfilmer7150 I did see season 5, indeed 😂🤣
@@ShaiAmos I’m not a fan of that Season for obvious reasons. 2/10 Would not recommend.
@@gfilmer7150 Yeah, I'll be honest... I remember season 5 the least (aside from 8, as I obviously didn't watch it), so that's also pretty damning of its quality lol
@@ShaiAmos What D&D did in Season 8 is also what they did in Season 5. There's my spoiler free analogy.
The first 4 seasons had probably the best writing I've ever seen in any TV show or movie
breaking bad season 5 is best writing ever
@@sivareddy4029 yeah it's tied with all seasons of breaking bad and better call saul
@@thefilmadvocate6192 yes
brba s5 is better than any GoT season but collectively all 4 seasons of GoT are better than breaking bad
A German CZcamsr brought it on the point.
"D&D were the masters over one of the best franchises ever made, they had the best artists, cast, visual effects and with HBO they had one of the very few companies to maximize the potential. They couldve went into history as the best showrunners of all time, the sky was the border, but they and only them threw it"
The one thing I'll never forgive to D&D is ruining jaime's character arc . I was so invested and for what? For him to suddenly forget he's good ?
Read the book. His character development is superb.
@@showdown2613 i know! It's so perfect! I'm currently reading a feast for crows and I couldn't be happier with his character development
Read the books. Brienne is unrecognizable on the show. Just a thug. And it could be Martin's doing not D&D. He supposedly told them how the story would end
when he signed them up. Martin has a love/HATE relationship with his fans and probably would like to piss them off.
@@faithworldleader6891 I saw that he promised a different ending for the books , so we can only just hope . It wouldn't be fair if Brienne and Jaime still didn't get the ending they deserve in winds of winter / a dream of spring
The Riverrun arc in the show is so secondary to Jaime’s character but when you get to A Feast For Crows, man is it good. I can’t tell you what’s better, The Greyjoy Plot, Jaime’s Arc, Dorne, or Brienne. It’s all great and comes together for this very anti-war themed horror novel.
Everyone got angry because of S8 I got angry in this season especially after what they did with Littlefinger
I got really angry when they thought to take a White as proof
I got angry ‘cause Season 5
I wished Littlefinger would of lived longer and see him do more intelligent scheming. I always enjoyed that character despite him betraying Ned. He's very smart and underrated.
@@ishidacoolp yes but that would have taken screen time from the bold & stunning characters.
I got angry when Gengry ran a marathon, to send a raven, to get Dany's dragons to receive the message, to fly 1000 leagues.. all in the course if 12 hours
man, after what happened with littlefinger I knew there was no hope for season 8, how can you kill a super intelligent character that has fooled the best in the realm by him getting fooled by little girls? that was stupid beyond belief.
Ahhh it's not the girls that got Littlefinger, Bran had the cheat codes, his sisters would still be arguing if it weren't for him.
Him being fooled by Sansa is what should get him killed. But true to D&D's idiocy they bungled it completely.
@@fatalshore5068 not to take anything from sansa, but in the books Littlefinger is just too OP no way hes getting fooled by someone like sansa, hes like the puppet master there.
I agree with you, that whole sister v sister arc was so poor, all of it was unnecessary as he who knows all was aware of everything Littlefinger had done, there was no logic behind Arya & Sansa 'falling out' other than to try and create tension for the viewer. D&D really did screw the pooch in so many ways but how they ended Varys was ridiculous, he went from being one of the smartest people in the series to the dumbest......ach i could go on and on imo the only character who got a satisfactory and believable end was the Hound (if you can forget the plot armour for the kidnap a zombie & the battle for Winterfell episodes). The Hound vs The Mountain was the only highlight of the full season for me
@@woodrude78 yup i agree with you friend, Varys was treated the same as LittleFinger,
Man if the books ever get finished, we’ll have a lot of fun talking about these same characters plus book Stannis, book Euron, young griff and many many more others, i just sure hope we get those books eventually “fingers crossed”.
Jamie's arc is honestly the only reason for me to watch season 7. Then I felt like crying when I saw how they massacred his character development in few episodes of season 8. Shit.
It’s absolutely heartbreaking how Jaime’s arc literally meant nothing thanks to S8!
Grey Worm: Jon, what do you think about this strategy..
Jon: We need allies!
Greyworm: Jon, what're we gonna do about the food situation and improve logistics?
Jon: We need allies!
Greyworm: How is that suppose to feed the army?
@@gfilmer7150 Yes, yes, Sansa will feed the men, and the dothraki want to do a suicide mission, and we have no actual plan, but We Need Allies!!!!
@@saiyanmgtow Greyworm: Man, how the hell did you retake Winterfell?
Jon: Allies
Greyworm: Why did I ask?
@@gfilmer7150 Jon: Why didn't you kill me after I killed Danny?
Greyworm: Don't you know??
Jon: 😢Allies??😎😅
@@saiyanmgtow Greyworm: Because your sister and the other lords of Westeros outnumber us ten to one and keeping you here will prevent their assault on the city.
Jon: You see, this is what happens when you don't have allies
Greyworm: That's it
*A horn blows in the background.*
Unsullied: Greyworm, The Allies are here
Greyworm: You got lucky... Snow
8:22 (grins) "Contrived scenes...such as hey, why don't we invent a scene of Cersei and Tyrion confronting each other face to face, just to show off the casts' acting chops?"
*These Performances, These Faces.*
I'm still so sad this happened to such an epic show. 😥
same 😔 it sucks because it really could have been the greatest show ever
Same. It was so good. Now I cannot even watch the first seasons 😭
@@davidtargaryen3229 it is the greatest show ever lol
We all are, they destroyed Lord of the Rings of our generation.
@@slurbtw1521 Sure, if you stop at season 4 or jump over season 5 to 6.
Crazy how a world wide phenomenon got absolutely shafted, now no one remember GOT unless they talk about how bad it ended
Beyond the Wall and The Dragon and the Wolf are *almost* up there with season 8 level stupidity. Its crazy how some people think they're good episodes
to be fair i dont think people think there are good episodes (never heard that words from someone) they probably put them in the OK rank. Also, probably it doesnt seem that they hate it cause The bells and the last of the starks level of stupidity catch all the hate
@Ali Chaudhry I agree that they never really did warfare and combat great in the technical sense. But I would say they did quite a great job at the directing, camera-work and such in the later seasons. But they generally focused on the visuals and plot points more than the technicalities, and did some quite good stuff in that regard. And, similar to Vikings, you still have the fact that characters can and do die during battles or be faced with emotional situations/confrontation, or dialogue during battle, which makes it much more interesting than a lot of other movies and shows battles. They always were, and even in the later seasons are, more focused on characters in battles, which is what works well about the siege of Kings Landing in Season 2, and in my opinion, it still works well in the big battles of the final seasons, apart from a bit too much plot armor sneaking in. But the visuals, music and characterfocus was pretty good I think, sometimes really amazing. Warfare/combat wise, meh.
Plotwise it becomes weaker in general of course, but that is mostly because of missing source material, but having/wanting to follow the general outlines. George RR Martin ages to write his books for a reason. I think it is unfair to hold them to that standard afterwards. Geroge himself took a month just to write one episode in the early seasons, which were very close to his books. Which was a big reason he left the writing of the show later on, because he knew it would take him even longer when its more deviated from his books.
There are multiple episodes pre-Season 8 that’re on the same level of stupidity as Season 8. Here’s a list:
Season 5 Episode 6, Season 5 Episode 9, Season 5 Episode 10, Season 6 Episode 5, Season 6 Episode 8, Season 7 Episode 5, and Season 7 Episode 6.
@@gfilmer7150 5x10? 6x5? What are your issues with those?
@@bovineking8927
Season 5 Episode 10:
Stannis’ death was dumb, Jon’s death was dumb, allowing Ellaria onto the dock with Myrcella was dumb, why would they let her near The Princess? Brienne killing Stannis makes her an oathbreaker (she was sworn to House Baratheon and killed the last Baratheon and her liege Lord). The whole Season, Ramsay Bolton was the main protagonist, it just nihilistic cringe.
Season 6 Episode 5:
It was okay. The only parts I remember were Bran’s battle in the cave and Jon pointing at his map.
As an adaptation of a book series I loved, Game of Thrones lost me in Season 5 and all its mediocrity and BS (Ser Barristan, Stannis’ rushed and underwhelming resolution, Dorne,, Sansa’s rape, etc.) and I actually didn’t watch Season 6 when it first came out. It was only after Season 7 was about to come out that I binged Season 6 and while there was some improvement, the show still didn’t have the stellar quality it had from Seasons 1-4. Season 7 was a mindlessly entertaining experience. Some enjoyable parts but I realized I was watching more out of curiosity than actually being invested in the characters/story arcs any more. In the end it really made me long all the more for Books 6&7 when they release in 2040 and heat death of the universe respectively so I can experience a proper resolution to the series
Seasons 5-8 are D&D’s bad Fanfiction.
I dislike that people don't roast season 5 6 and 7 the same as season 8. All those seasons were on same level except that moments like hardhome and battle of the bastards and blowing up the sept were cool, but mostly because they opened the doors for an awesome final act that never came
They should have showed signs of Dany’s madness in Season 5 already. George is a smart author and has already placed warning signs of her madness all over the books, ranging from burning someone alive to torturing an innocent maid in Meereen. I think Dumb & Doofenshmirtz were too stupid to realize this.
@@larochejaquelein3680 They didn't originally want to do Mad Queen Dany but decided to go with it before Season 8.
@@loveoffilm4327 well technically even "blowing the sept" was pretty illogic and had no consequences.
After Tyrion shot a crossbow bolt into his dad's bowels he never did anything as awesome or dramatically intense as that for the remainder of the entire show.
Yeah pretty much. His character died with his father.
The excursion beyond the wall still makes me shake my head when I remember that bs 🤦♀️
Season 7 is like a Marvel film if it had a finger in da bum!
Essentially, all of the character arcs were character circles. Everyone ended where they started because D&D lacked any creativity and relied only on what they already knew.
Jaime’s is the most egregious example of those circular story arcs.
The thing is, "character circles" _can_ be a very valid, poetic kind of development. It leads to tragic characters undone by their own flaws.
The only problem is that to write such good development, you have to use a very complex and advanced writing method called "DON'T THROW ALL YOUR PLANS OUT AT THE LAST SECOND."
I was honestly surprised people hated season 8 that much when it came out, because there was no such backlash to the just as terrible season 7. Writing quality and overall dumbness are the same, only difference being that 8 had the ill luck of being the final one with no future seasons to hide behind I guess.
I still hold that the plan to bring a wight to Cersei and its execution, as well as the way the world folded onto itself to actually allow it to kinda succeed, is by far the most mind numbingly idiotic sequence of the entire (or any) show.
They showed in one of the very first episodes that anyone who dies far enough North turns into a wight. The entire quest to capture one was insanely stupid, they could have taken a random prisoner, put them in chains, and left them outside for a night. The absolute dumbest plotline. And if it's known that that happens and apparently has happened since the Wall has been around, wouldn't everyone in Westeros know about that by now?
D&D also kind of forgot that Cersei already has a zombie as her personal bodyguard, so presenting her with a wight as proof that the undead are a real thing was pretty pointless at that point. In the books the Night Watch bring a severed wight's hand to King's Landing early on in the story, but it is decomposed and no longer twitching by the time it gets there.
The alarms started blaring when I heard the “you like the bad poosay” line in Season 5. Hodor’s death in Season 6 was probably the last scene that felt like GoT.
@Paul Gauthier lol it was as bad but actually felt even worse because nothing prepared you for how bad the show could get. I mean it's not as if six was a masterwork of television, but still... seven had the teleportation mechanism really kicking in, Daenerys not destroying Cersei immediately because reasons, Euron being an absolute clown, the stupidest plan everTM...
I could go on. Point is I'm pretty sure 7+8 is actually the same season split in two in terms of who exactly worked on it and their creative process. If you think seven had any redeeming qualities at all I really have to question your artistic taste.
@Paul Gauthier season 7 is like when the car’s engine bursts on the road and season 8 is when it actually crashes. Just as bad but earlier in the sequence.
I can’t imagine creating the best tv show ever and then just throwing it away.
The season that warned us of the disaster.
That was Season 5
@@gfilmer7150 that was season 1
@@pixelhunter5709 I mean, not really. It had one hiccup.
That was season 6.
@@pepsibente489 That was Season 5
It's crazy that on IMDB this season is one of the highest rated. it has an average of 9,1, the same as season 1.
Normal people are why we can't have nice things
Season 7 on it's own is a very bad GoT season, but a very solid Hollywood Fantasy Action movie.
@@ignatzmeyer1978 No, it's still absolute trash, solid Hollywood fantasy action movie would be the last Harry Potter movie, which has a pretty non-sensical setting. This season is absolute trash in any way other than the action, characters are retarded, the pace is too fast, the plot is fucking dogshit too.
@@ignatzmeyer1978 isnt season 7 where Jaime swims half a mile underwater in plate armor
@@freddiesimmons1394 no, you confused something: he swims in plot armour
It’s seriously insane that the show ended 2 and a half years ago and the only cultural relevance it has is it being picked apart for how bad the final seasons were, which is still very much ongoing
I'd like to believe that the deterioration of Jon's dialogue into basic plot progressors was due to him losing some of himself as a result of his resurrection, and him holding onto his purpose as a guide and a reminder of his former person...
But we all know D & D aren't that smart.
Season 7 was the step before going off the cliff. There are nice things to look at but when you think about it, you realize how ridiculous the season really is.
SHAME on the writers for such stupidity, shame.
It was the greatest show of the decade! to die in this sordid way. Ruined by bad writing like some low quality show, SHAME!
-Gaius Julius Caesar.
My thoughts during season 7: "season 8 will make up for this, they just had to rush to get everything in place"
My thoughts during season 8: "Season 7 wasn't that bad actually, I miss season 7. God please end my suffering"
The Witcher 3 soundtrack always gives me goosebumps.
You’re not alone my friend
idk why hbo doesn’t just assemble a team of writers and just throw together a proper ending - just act like the last 2-3 seasons don’t exist - and why not? - i mean, i already do.
Seasons 5-8 don’t exist. They’re bad Fanfiction.
Wait for the books and then let them renew the series
They could write it into the rewrite by saying Bran saw the future when he was in a complete warg trip after the hold the door episode in season 6. It could be explained that- since each new 3 eyed raven is more powerful/ has new abilities than the other; then Brans uniqueness would be from that. However, Bran doesn’t want to rule (explained many times before) so he try’s to alter it, or maybe the white walkers didn’t all die out and they return and- fully destroy westors. Idk anything would be better than what we got lmao
@@gfilmer7150 Most fan fiction is better than what DD did.
@@Vlad_-_-_ Lol you’re right
Long winded rants on how they could have “fixed” Jon, Arya, Bran, and Tyrion somewhat if they had more seasons and hadn’t cut some things.
Jon: Include Stoneheart in the show as between Stoneheart and Beric the audience understands how much “less“ a person becomes when they’re resurrected and in Stoneheart’s case single-minded obsession on one objective. Then once that’s understood emphasize that’s what is happening to Jon as he loses both his warmth and personality traits and becomes single-minded about first “getting allies” to save the Kingdom then defending “muy Queen” in Season 8 to the point of madness and setting up a mini redemption arc where Jon recovers a bit of who he once was to save the Kingdom from a new threat.
Arya: Again include Stoneheart and have Arya team up with them to wipe out the Freys and Lannisters because she longs for her family which Stoneheart can Provide but over time have her become horrified at how far gone Stoneheart is and scared she’s becoming like Stoneheart. She could become so disgusted she could swear off her face changing powers as she sees how similar they are to the ones that brought Stoneheart back. Since this is similar to her final interaction with Sandor, include him in the plot line and have him be the one to let go of the mindless revenge Stoneheart represents.
Bran: Actually explore the backstory of Bran’s teacher and confirm it’s Brynden “Bloodraven” Rivers and hint that Bloodraven’s mind has taken over Bran’s body, thus explaining his dispassionate interactions with Bran’s loved ones, his callous defense of the realm from threats like the Night King and even that he’s manipulating things to get revenge on the main Targaryen branch and becoming ruler.
Tyrion: Not cut the Tysha revelation. By finding out that his beloved brother was culpable in the events that led to her gang rape and exile, Tyrion would become the villain GRRM wanted him to become in the later books. No longer caring about being nice, Tyrion’s ruthlessness from Season 2 is now unchecked and he starts using his mind to make harsh but politically/tactically pragmatic moves to further Daenerys’ cause and get revenge on his family. Hell he could have been the one to push her into Mad Queen mode while also developing backup leaders like Jon or Bran/Bloodraven should Daenerys become too much of a threat/liability to Tyrion. Fans may have hated his descent into villainy but this would have for better with GRRM’s character arc for him/give Peter Dinklage something more substantive to work with them eunuch jokes and political blunders
Stannis: Give him his arc from book 5, essentially give him Jon's story from Season 6.
This are really good ideas dude
I actually like this reasoning.
To be honest with you, taking away Tysha revelation destroy both Jaime and Tyrion character. Jaime suppose to be a good person while Tyrion suppose to be smart, cunning and evil. A strong character development for both character. So for god dammit why D&D did not adapt this plot into the show. "Fans may have hated his descent into villainy"? I guess those fans are dumb and I think those fans are the reason why D&D change the whole scenario. Fuck them.
Littlefinger was also a character that just felt really off here and not up to what he usually was. Basically, all he did was make up that weak scheme of pitting Sansa and Arya against each other.
Daenerys and Jon Snow was way too rushed and I was not really seeing it. It's like she was all, "Oh, he won't bend the knee to me! There's something interesting about him!" But she didn't really end up liking that with all the constant back and forth they went through with her questioning his loyalty and him always having to reassure her that's she was "muh queen". And then trust broke down completely between them once she found out he was a Targaryen and a possible obstacle to her throne. The attraction just seemed more physical than anything. I liked Daenerys' relationship with Daario better, because she wasn't in love with him, but it could have built up to that eventually since he wasn't afraid to give her his opinions, yet he always knew his place, and I think she appreciated that. That way, it would have been more realistic for her to eventually fall for him because it would have had more build-up.
Jaime felt like the one thing they did absolutely right here. He gradually grew more distanced from Cersei's ways, and then having him finally put his foot down against her ignoring the whitewalker issue and her whole weird Golden Company idea and then get on that horse and leave was the best thing he ever did. But then they ruined it all in season 8!
Littlefinger was already ruined in season 5 when he gave Sansa to the Boltons.
It's a shame that a character who basically could have played 3D chess degenerated so much.
Why do y'all go on videos discussing earlier seasons and reference later seasons?? Damn, at least give a spoiler warning!
Yes. Also it was reallly weak the whole Euron secret plot where he said he was scared of the wights and left to sail away how would she have known that they where bringing a zombie? So dumb
You know what the saddest part about season 7 was? I remember everybody saying "it's okay, yeah they're rushing a lot of stuff, but that's just so they can set up season 8 and make it even better."
GOT ended at season 6
I don't remember anything after. 🔥🔥🔥
Season 4. 5&6 weren’t that good. Especially 5 as it ruined Daenerys.
@@gfilmer7150 Eh Dany was not great after S1, except for the one Dracarys scene.
@@bovineking8927 To put it bluntly, D&D we’re actively cutting character development since Season 2. They did the same for Jon after Season 4.
"The world's most expensive film school"
One thing I love about this show is that you can tell where they ran out of books even if you haven't read them.
The whole "Roberts Rebellion was built on a lie" plotline was one of the most mind bogglingly terrible examples of how bad the writing became.
And Targaryen Apologists use that line to ignore the crimes of The Mad King and make The Rebels out to be the bad guys.
@@gfilmer7150 Rhaegar and Lyanna did one thing wrong - never told anyone. If any of them had done that, nothing would have gone wrong.
@@warmike Yep
@@warmike Rhaegar was already married with three kids so it probably would still cause controversy.
@@fakharyarkhan5848 Not to mention Robert would have gone just as mad anyway because Lyanna was actually his. Betrothals could not be broken. That would have been against the laws of gods and men..
Anyone that agrees with Season 7 being ok or good, are clearly bias against the amount of forced and contrived fan service bullshit it's given people as a dopamine effect. I'm surprised you forgot to mention one of the worst parts in the season, and that one being Littlefinger's death and his overall complete stupidity throughout the entire season because of bad writing.
It was unbelievably bad. Littlefinger’s death was the moment the show lost me, though to be honest, with the writing and decisions they made him have, Baelish was already dead long before Arya slit his throat. One of the key point of Baelish’s character is his calculated risk/reward and investment/liability analyses. Then all of a sudden in the final seasons they have him taking these wildly long shot attempts to secure the North in the most contrived ways possible, it didn’t make any sense.
Yes, I am fan and have been serviced for this season 😂 I love seeing my favorite characters succeed!
I understand people can have different opinions, but liking/disliking Seasons 7&8 isn't a matter of opinion, it's a matter of intelligence.
7:34 In ASoIaF, Jon caged bodies killed by the Others (White Walkers) before they turned, the Wall's magic kept them from turning into wights, they could have put the caged bodies north of the Wall and went from there
Season 7 stank so bad. A lot of superfans are only realising that now. It was overshadowed by hype and the desperate hope that season 8 would fix everything. What a fall from grace
Littlefinger was the smartest character in the show! He was the one who started the war of the kings, he was the most machiavellian character in the whole series, and his death was an injustice!!!
It was logic that the only one who could bring Littlefinger down, other than Varys, was the allknowing Three Eyed Raven aka Bran.
His death was fine, the problem is the rest of his storyline after season 4.
Finally I have waited a long time for this my green little friend
Isn't it "my little green friend"?
Im a senator
@@SumitKumarrr1 You got what they meant.
My boy littlefinger got butchered
At least in the books he is still alive and probably one of the most powerful positions he will be in the next book
And he is also better character in there
How long are the books/ how many are there?
How is he in the books?
@@pureog1479 there are 5
1.Game of thrones
2.clash of kings
3.Storm of swords (with two parts A and B)
4.A feast for crows
5.a Dance with dragons(with two parts as well)
Overall 7 books for 5 titles
Btw 4 and 5 are split
For instance 4 has perspectives of breinne jaime cercei sansa
But it doesn't have jon dany or tyrion
Dance with dragons has their perspectives
And they are long
1 book 800 pages without appendix
Stannis Baratheon is still leading his campaign in the books, a lot of Jon’s story in Season 6 is Stannis’ story in Book 5.
@@hunglejewel the way he is supposed to be
I will kinda spoil you
He is much more intelligent in the books
In the show, after season 4 he doesn't have any plan and is butchered afterwards
But not in the books, his plot after the vale(after killing lysa) is much more interesting than the show
He is never in a rough spot unlike the show, if you remember he was threatened by everyone
For instance he almost got killed by cercei... power is power quote if you recall
And people trust him bcz he is charismatic, funny and helps them when they need help
Only 4 characters suspect him or know who he is (tyrion/varys/lysa and sansa) everyone else doesn't care about him bcz he seems harmless (but he isn't)
Every dialogue he in is fire.
And i like how George describes him
"His smile laugh but his eyes did not"
And even though he isn't a fighter
I would say he one of the most intimidating characters in the books
Ow... And he also well dressed better than jaime lol.
People's views on the show (mine included) prior to season 8 was so skewed because they ignored much of the contrivances, plot holes, and other issues in seasons 5-7 because we were pumped for a sick finale. I was convinced that Littlefinger faked his death using a faceless man and would reappear in season 8, so in that scenario, Littlefinger is playing 4D chess and S7 would've been like 2-3 points higher on a 10 point scale. Then season 8 rolls around and explains nothing and sucks major balls in general. Upon rewatching though, you can just see how much garbage is in season 5-7 and you feel stupid for not noticing the red flags earlier.
It's literally like D&D pulled a red wedding on the show and the audience. The clues were there that they were going to absolutely blow it but we, while slightly unnerved, largely ignored it and it was devastating when it happened lol.
Like Joffrey’s wedding, it was an awful affair, but it had its moments...
You should do a countdown on your favourite Game of Thrones episodes
Yes j like glidus
1. The Rains of Castamere Season 3 episode 9.
@@Maw0 Agreed
@@Blitzo8390 Popular Opinion lmao.
@@Maw0 It was definitely the episode that had the most impact on me
The background music in this video is so good.
Sounds like a fusion of some GOT music and Star Wars
@@nepesilva2284 Witcher 3 too
I think the most common complaint about the last to GoT seasons, which is that it should have been longer, is not a valid one. It didn't matter if they had 13 episodes or 1300, D&D were never going to measure up to the work of GRRM. It would just be 1300 hours of pointless talk, big battle, shocking spectacle (that had no effect on anything after it happened, pointless talk, big battle, and so on.
The biggest problem with season 7 is that it completely abandons any semblancebof actions having consequences.
Like, season 6 ends with Cersei blowing up the GoT equivalent of the Vatican because the entire city wanted her hanged for all her sins, and yet theres never a mention of the Faith of the Seven, the militants, or the Sept of Baelor ever again, and the people apparently love her now.
If she pulled that stunt in Season 2 shed have been literally torn apart by the citizens of Kings Landing after they burned down the Red Keep.
And thats just one example. Almost every character would be dead several times over if their actions in season 7 happened during earlier seasons
D&D *kinda forgot* that fucking with the faith militant nearly led to the DOWNFALL OF THE TARGARYEN EMPIRE WITH FULLY GROWN DRAGONS. Like, that would have real world ramifications - particularly Cersei who wouldn't have the resources to smash them like Maegor did (Balerion, Visenya+Vhagar, etc) lol. Cersei quelling or navigating a Kingslanding uprising whilst still fighting the war with Dany could've been an actually interesting character arc for her in S7/S8 instead of sipping wine in the window, and could've enhanced her "respectability" as a villain (not likeable, that isn't necessary, but at least to have her in line with Tywin or back-in-the-day LF, etc).
Exactly what I needed, a long video to remind me about how deep of a dive my favorite show of all time took.
Season 7? What season 7? Got ended in season 4 . I don't wanna know anything about some fanfictions of dumb and dumber 😒
this is like seeing photos of a bad break up and still hurts
I hated what they did to Littlefinger in season 7: he just looked suspiciously and died.
You have fantastic content. Your editing is always on point. Would love to see your breakdown analysis’ of other series as well.
God I forgot they put Ed Sheeran in this fucking season
I love how this used to be the biggest complaint in the show, but now it's such a miniscule detail.
@@lukaravlic9398 in hindsight Ed Sheeran was the least of our problems
Season 7 has one thing going for it
It's not Season 8
I started trying to rewatch game of thrones recently... within the first 3 eps I was just done with it, season 7 and 8 completely ruined the ability to rewatch the show. Even the best seasons are crap knowing nothing from them matters in the end.
I've rewatched game of thrones seasons 1-5 probably 3-4 times and I've seen season 6-7 once and I couldn't even finish season 8 I think I had a episodes to go but at that point my brain was developing a small tumor which stopped me from being able to watch any farther.
Season 6 is actually pretty good.
@Ali Chaudhry Season 5 is also a trash Season. It foreshadowed Season 8.
@Ali Chaudhry Lemme guess: Hardhome, Cersei walk of atonement, Tyrion meeting Daenerys, Daenerys riding Drogon, and Jon killing Janos Slynt. Those are the only good moments from Season 5. The rest is all boring filler or unwatchable nonsense. The worst thing this season did was Dorne, the second worse was Stannis Baratheon's arc in the last two episodes, and the another issue was the practically made Ramsay the protagonist of Season 5.
It’s actually so sad to watch the last seasons. It feels like your buddies are descending into dementia and becoming strangers to you.
Honestly i hated this season more than season 8, i duuno why but yes whenever i think of rewatching a season of GoT i feel like least attracted to season 7.
Wdym, I'm certain GoT stopped making new episodes after season 5.
GOT went to shit starting with the death of Ser Barristan the Bold.
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@@21LeonidasZ 5 has a few redeeming values, and the ending would’ve been a lot more powerful if they didn’t butcher it basically immediately in season 6. Plus, HARDHOME.
@@andychiu860311 Season 5 was mediocre compared with the previous ones, plus this was the season where butchering characters became a thing.
@@21LeonidasZ yeah I totally agree, but the few redeeming values still make it a legit season for me. Obviously it sucks coming from the absolute high of season four, but it’s right there on the ok level for me
I am waiting for the season 2 and 3 video :)
People remember how when they went north of the wall, there were random throwaway characters getting killed? Like literally completely random men who hadn’t appeared prior in the episode just getting killed while the 7 dudes we saw go north survive.
I really liked this video, but you forgot Samwell vomiting and my personal favourite, Varys, being incompetent
Anyone else also notice the lack of colour in costumes? Everyone wearing brown, black and grey and even the Lannister Gold or Dany's Red Cape were muted :/
I’m over my anger, it now just makes me sad
Do a complilation of every time Jorah says "Khaleesi, please."
7:00 that witcher 3 theme brings me back more memories than the whole season 7!
I lost it when I saw how Cersei and Jaime die. I literally stood up and yelled "are you fucking kidding me?" To deny us a proper Stark vengeance, the kind of revenge Arya exacted with Walder Frey, was just beyond the pale for me. They had Arya go all the way down to King's Landing with The Hound, and she accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Arya should have died and I will die on that hill.
@@Palpad100 Nah, she was gonna survive regardless.
@@ianvera4299 So did you ever seek help like I suggested?
:)
@My pronouns are Goddess / Your majesty Nah it was fitting
I thought the resurrection of Jon was supposed to make him more dark and less stoic, only to be shocked when I relieazed that by S7 he was more stoic than ever.
I shall never forget the way D&D did me wrong!
My favorite character was Littlefinger as a book reader. Even my Reddit name I made right after season 1/reading the books that summer is his name. So his lame, nonsensical death ruined the season for me. I didn't even mind the beyond the wall stuff that people hate, it was fun at least. But the whole Arya vs Sansa story is absolute bullshit, they could have just asked Bran in episode 1 or last season and would have fixed the problem. Petyr basically masterminded this whole conflict and dies like a dumbass. I remember all the amazing theories and videos attempting to theorize how that story would go, every single one was better than what we got
Everything you said was spot on. As someone who read the books before it was cool, Season 7 broke my heart. One word: LAZY. It absolutely ruined it, and you nailed every reason why. I’ll never forgive Dumb and Dumber. I’d invested damn near 20 years in loving the books, and it went from brilliance to Sweet Valley High level. (I just dated myself there, but if you get it… you get it.)
If I won’t the lottery that provided me with f-you levels of money, I’d love to pay to have Seasons 7 and 8 done RIGHT…. Just to have the proper closure.
I just think David and Dan are poor writers. People think the writing decline began in S7 and 8... but it was occurring as early as S5. In my opinion S5 is perhaps the most boring (but not worst written) season. The whole Sons of the Harpy and Faith subplots were just so utterly uninteresting. I always found Daenerys parts the most uninteresting, honestly. Then from S6 onwards it's like it's not even the same show.
The poor writing of S5 led them to dead-ends later on, as they rushed more and more to just get to the conclusion. I also feel like once Bran came along with his omniscience, that it basically allowed David and Dan to just write themselves out of any corner they found themselves in. Don't know how to get rid of Littlefinger? Bran him out. Jon Parentage reveal? Bran it out. Who is the Night King? Branned out that's it's some random unnamed dude in one short scene. Ironically Bran wasn't much use in the areas you think he would be... he was essentially just used as a plot device to push things forward all of a sudden.
I'm surprised by how many people say this is the season where Thrones started to fall apart considering every issue present in 7 is just an extension of problems that were already ruining the show in seasons 5-6.
I actually think season 7 is so bad it’s worse than season 8. At least season 8 gave us a few good moments like Bran telling Theon he’s a good person or The Hound convincing Arya not to go for revenge. An underrated moment in the show is the one scene of Arya sneaking past wights. That scene was intense as hell while managing to show off her assassin side that goes so underused. But for season 7, I can’t think of a single good moment I genuinely liked.
It's honestly very interesting on how after some years after this show ended people still argue and make theories. That's how bad the show was handled in the end.
Season 4 was a good enough ending for me.... 😇
The first 4 seasons is how I remember these characters tbh.
I'm late to this video but for me one of the things that bother me the most in this season is the Iron Fleet sneaking out of Kings Landing multiple times while Daenerys army is in Dragonstone. Dragonstone is a very important place because if you control it you can control Blackwater Bay and everything that go to Kings Landing from the sea.
The ankle dep no-grade sandy beach that turns into a 50+ foot deep ocean when Bronn knocks Jaimie off his horse always annoys me too.
Dany and Jon getting together was literally out of freaking nowhere lol
The first 4 were so good. And so long ago.