Pink Floyd: A Momentary Lapse of Reason' - is it really that bad?
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- čas přidán 17. 01. 2023
- This is the tale of two mixes. The original release has been criticised by fans for being a Floyd forgery - but is it really that bad? Of course the 2019 mix improved the album no end.
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I've always loved both Momentary Lapse and Division Bell, but Momentary Lapse definitely edges it out. When I discovered this album in my early teens I had no idea of the absense of Roger Waters or how polarizing it was among fans. I was lucky enough to discover this album without knowing about any of the baggage that goes along with it. Discovering it on it's own terms lead me to love it.
Same here. This album will always be special to me.
"Learning to Fly" is a top 5 Floyd track for me. "On the Turning Away" is also one of my all-time most listened to Floyd tunes. Can't say I'm enthralled by the entire album, but those two tracks are so amazingly epic.
On the Turning Away is an essential track for these and any days!
Its same melody, playd all over again
That's how I am with 95 percent of 80s music. I can only stomach bits of it
Agree . Learning to fly is just amazing . One of the only songs that never gets old no matter how many times I hear it
I know everyone hates the 80s'ness of this album, but for me that's where its charm comes from. I listen to this album and I'm back in that wonderful time.
Alot of 70,s bands had to adapt to survive in that wonderfull 80,s era.So much music from new bands that made the older bands suddenly outdated and boring so they had to keep up.Not a Floyd fan but the 80,s stuff far more digestible at that time.
Yeah but when people from the 80s are gone so will the nostalgia that does the heavy lifting for that albums positive reception
For me the appeal of this album (discovered when I was probably about 15) was always it's feeling of being a totally isolated, futuristic, depersonalized, existentially despairing, machine-like music, which both the technology of the time and the reality of Dave's isolated and uncertain period of recording it made possible. I always thought Dogs of War stunk, regardless of the mix haha, but everything else was and still is gold to me, and the sometimes inappropriately punching drum sounds, squealing "dentist" guitar, and expansive reverb almost to parody levels somehow all work together to give a feeling of, what felt to me at the time and still kind of does, like Sartre-in-sound. Which, was completely my headspace as a teenager, and I can still kind of fall back into.
I work with nothing but 20 year olds, and a lot of them genuinely and un-ironically love lots and lots 0f 80s music, from metal to synth pop, to dance music. far more then they listen to 70s music. They have no nostalgic attachment to it.
I love 70s music, but I think the 80s poppiness and 80s production make it more palatable to people who grew up in other eras of music. Much as I love the 70s music, Im beginning to understand that it might be a you-had-to-be-there type of phenomenon.
Terminal Frost takes me right back to a specific street in 1987 every time. Weird and powerful
I don't think I've heard many people (other than Waters and Waters disciples) say this is a bad album. I think Waters was just jealous that they were able to succeed without him, and that feeling still carries through to this day. It's also ironic that Water accused the band of relying on their old style for this album, but then Waters went on to essentially just replay The Wall for the next quarter century.
This is my most often played Floyd album. I was 18 when it was released and had only discovered them a year or so earlier. Then I saw the concert and it blew this 18 year old's mind. It's for this reason that this has always been one of my favourite albums....by anyone.
I love the remix too.
I absolutely love Momentary Lapse. It is involved in many great memories from my life back in '87, including the birth of my son and my first marriage, and this album was literally a turning point between myself liking Pink Floyd, and myself loving Pink Floyd. "One Slip" and "On The Turning Away" are incomperable. They, for me at least, hold up to any Pink Floyd track, with "Turning Away" being a go-to favorite from time to time. It was a solid comeback after the trainwreck I felt The Final Cut ended up being. I bought Final Cut the day it was released and hated it non-stop since. Momentarily Lapse was breath of fresh Floydian air and established my longtime admiration for all things Pink Floyd - except Final Cut... and Ummagumma (minus the Small Species track).
NOW!!! With that being said, I have stored my old 1987 copy on a shelf in another room and replaced it with the newest remix. As much as I love the original album, I love this even more.
Thank you for bringing me back to exploring Floyd again. In all fairness I gave Final Cut another spin and it was the same. Garbage. I re-spun the '87 version of Momentary Lapse and it was good, but I prefer this new mix.
Exactly how I felt and experienced about TFC: bought on its release (cassette), loathing it till this day, no matter how much I gave it a listen (tho appreciating a couple of its songs more today). AMLTR however is something I love prolly in my top 5-6 fave Floyd LP. "On the Turning Away,""Sorrow,""Learning to Fly," and "Yet Another Movie" for me are indispensable Floyd records, not only of the Gilmour phase but of the whole Floydian epoch.
Different strokes... I started listing to Floyd as a teenager in the 90s. I thoroughly enjoyed every album from Piper onwards (excepting the movie soundtracks) for being different. I even loved TFC (though I enjoy war films so that helps), but I could never seemed to enjoy MLOR at all. It just felt incredibly insubstantial, and never really enjoyed any of the studio albums led by Dave afterwards.
Of note, despite trying and really giving a few good listens, I never enjoyed Gilmour or Waters solo albums to be compelling for me personally.
TFC is said to be Waters solo album but it's not IMHO. Producing it as a 'Pink Floyd' album (even with almost no other Pink Floyd members contributing) rather than as a solo seems to have made the difference for me.
@@EngineerWithGuitar Well said. While I absolutely adore The Final Cut, the rest of Waters' solo work and non-Waters Pink Floyd I find half-baked and forgettable.
I agree with you up until the Ummagumma part. I absolutely love that album.
Love this album, it got me listening to the world of Floyd. Learning to fly is one of my all time favorites & for all its 80s sound it captures my imagination, being an 80s kid.
Learning To Fly is clearly the best song on the album. Jon Carin and Bob Ezrin did a good job writing that song. It was understood they had to let Samson play guitar on the song to pretend he was more than a session guy… which he wasn’t.
I still think David’s solos on the song On the Turning Away are among my favorites of his.
A mixed bag upon release that has been improved no end by the modern reworking. A hell of a lot more listenable than Waters' painful screeching on Final Cut. I see this as a prototype album that lead to Division Bell, where the three remaining original members really learnt to play together again.
On The Turning Away alone makes this album great! I love it
Best track on it without question, for me. Sorrow is pretty good, too.
It is a good album with solid material. To me, MLOR represents a restoration of the musical balance for the Floyd. The re-mix sounds fresh an not dated. The live renditions on DSOT and PULSE are beautiful. I just love the way Tim Renwick's soloing on Learning to Fly lifts the song to the stratosphere
Exactly. Plus seeing those concerts live back then, sealed the deal for me.
@@kevinbossick8374 indeed. I was fortunate to see them in 1994 twice.
I've got a real soft spot for this album, mainly because of the circumstances I first heard it in. I was on a year long sailing trip in 1987 and and as we made our way down the Portuguese coast towards North Africa and the Canary Islands I found a Portuguese radio station that played tracks from the album every night. Very atmospheric on my lone night watches - just my thoughts, billions of stars and dolphins following the boat, leaving streaks of phosphoresence in the sea around us - all to a soundtrack of this album 🙂
My friend, now this right here would be a wonderful memory at a time like that!!hell yes!!on the boat, the sea and sky,the stars...and signs of life playing lol!!wow,I salute ur memory sir!!✌🍻✌🍻
That would certainly embed a musical memory for me!! What a great association! I can almost envision it.
It’s like Roger wants us all to forget there was a time when he didn’t dominate the band and they were still great. Piper, Meddle, etc
How DARE they carry on without him..
Piper, Meddle. 😂😂. Roger’s first album after informing the session guys that going forward, Floyd would do concept albums and Roger would write the songs, be the creator, etc, outsold the combined sales of every album from Pooper Gates Of Dawn to Meddle. The band would’ve died in obscurity if not for Waters who made the ingrate session guys rich.
@@bradking6126 another waters worshipper how surprising. Cut the crap bro. While pink floyd would be inferior without waters that's for sure, the phase without him was definitely a breath of fresh air and something that the 80s and 90s demanded. Gilmour and Mason were smart to continue on without him and change the sound. That's why both amlor and tdb outsold tfc
@@bradking6126 Roger did not wright all the songs.
@@bradking6126 Water's impact from Meddle to The Wall was definitely key, I would agree. However, beginning with the Final Cut and especially his solo work the lack of musicality makes the albums a bore. Basically, he drones his great lyrics with very forgettable music. Water's needs Gilmour as much as Gilmour needs Water's to get that Floyd sound we all enjoy.
I think “A Momentary Lapse of Reason” (MLOR) is a great album. As a teenager, I bought Dark Side of the Moon when it first came out, then went back and got the older albums. Roger’s The Final Cut was a depressing bore, and MLOR was a welcomed new Pink Floyd album!
When my mates & I first got into Floyd at age 18 this was the first album we found! Every year when we get together again we play this album front to back lovingly for old times sake.
Very underrated album. Many great songs. Terminal Frost is a deep cut. Latest remix album is the best.
I remember in the 90s Gilmour saying he wanted to "remix the 80s out of" this. However, for all his criticism of Final Cut being a Waters solo album, this demonstrably is a Gilmour solo album when you look at who actually played what on which track. There's essentially no Rick Wright in the recorded disk, even if he shows up for the concerts.
I could care less what anyone else says. "Sorrow" is one of my favourite Pink Floyd songs of all time, and "Learning to Fly" is also a beautiful song with remarkable lyrics. Overall it's not a classic album, but it's a proper Pink Floyd album.
Good summation, I agree 100%. I am a child of the 80's so this was my first introduction to Floyd. I would only later get into the classic albums but AMLOR was a good starter :)
Its composed by guest musicians, hence cannot be a proper Pink Floyd album
The two post-Roger albums never bothered me. No doubt missing the soul of Roger and more disconnected than their previous several albums. It also feels safe compared to all their previous albums.
Safe is a very good word for it. Something akin to using language so soft and inoffensive that the sentence come out a lie.
Agree with you both entirely. A weak, insipid and ineffectual recording saying nothing and inspiring nothing. Same for Division Bell - anything post Waters. Waters can be a pain but you can't ignore him personally or artistically. PF were easily ignored post The Wall. The Final Cut was certainly disappointing but, had there still been a band, it could have been so much better.
Safe but enjoyable.
Great album. Sure, it might not be much more than a Gilmour solo album, but it's infinitely better than "The Final Cut".....which is little more than a Waters solo album. MLOR is always a welcome listen for me. Thanks, Barry.
You cant compare classic PF album with this...
Final cut is the only floyd album I never listen to. Its a terribly dour affair, their 2nd worst after ummagumma.
Momentary Lapse of Reason and Division Bell really do seem to be Marmite albums. As a lifelong Floyd fan for me they are easily up there with the best of them. I can easily understand why people don't rate them as I readily admit they are definitely different to their preceding work. Just felt like a natural progression to me but I have to admit I was very surprised I loved them so much w/o Roger.
I too appreciate Division Bell but there is something about the way the studio mixing was done that bothers me slightly. For example, the guitar, organ, synth and pad voices walk all over each other a lot. Also, there is just a hair too much reverb throughout. I find myself straining to hear the lead instrument often in the mix.
i think momentary lapse is easily a top 3 album. Just the song "yet another movie" destroys every other bands entire discography
I love this album! It’s one my favorites by them. I never had a problem with the sound of it.
Only just come across your channel. Love your descriptive reviews of these classic albums, very enjoyable to listen to.
Absolutely Love the album.
Saw this tour multiple times... It was fantastic !!!
"Yet Another Movie"
Yep a truly classic song. Best thing since Comfortably Numb.
I love the 3 non roger albums. This was a solid return to form for them after the final cut
I really loved this album when it came out and I was 15 years old. It definitely doesn’t hold up in the test of time. I did see Floyd twice on this tour and they were amazing. It was 20 years later I saw David on a solo tour in 2006 with Richard Wright. Watching them perform Echoes was one the greatest moments of my life. Also that year they Roger toured doing DSOTM in its entirety ( which I saw 5 times) and a couple of years later to one of my dreams come true he toured The Wall. I saw that show 3 times. So what I can tell you is seeing Floyd and David live without Roger…Roger isn’t missed. To see Roger live doing these classic Floyd albums without David…David is truly missed.
The thought of seeing Roger perform DSOTM without David is downright horrifying.
I agree
Actually, seeing Waters’ band perform DSOTM (Roger’s post-Floyd band, not Roger’s first band which was Pink Floyd) was better than the original Floyd concerts after Roger had put together DSOTM because the technology is so much better now.
As far as Pink Fraud’s Momentary Lapse goes, Learning To Fly was written by Jon Carin and Bob Ezrin. Dave Samson played guitar and so they gave him a partial song credit to fool the fools that think s bunch of session musicians and a very good producer could replace the genius of Pink Floyd. The whole album is Bob Ezrin helping Gilmour who still couldn’t write songs during Division Bell w/out his wife helping the session guitarist with those awful lyrics. Floyd broke up either after Waters’ Magnum Opus The Wall or after The Final Cut. The Endless River is the best pretend Floyd album because they didn’t try to do anything other than milk the lower IQ fans which is more honest than pretending to be Pink Floyd.
Signs of life, on the turning away, yet another movie and sorrow are enough to sell this for me. I prefer the original album to the recent releases. Oh and I really like the album cover...
Some interesting observations for sure and like many too band albums, rarely do you find an album where every track is a belter.
This album needed to be different and they certainly achieved that. You have to admire the courage to try something new and to be fair it doesn’t always work.
I’m sure we can all think of albums where our loyalty is challenged but then this is this not the point of art?
Anyhow, I’ll move along the fence as I’m sure others would like to sit down.
Enjoy the tracks you do and skip the ones you don’t. Not a bad album by any shot and it’s a moment in time for the production techniques at that moment but IMHO it’s not their best .
Keep up the great work on this channel. Your playful sardonic approach to the great and the good is always much appreciated and you’ve got the knack of generating debate without it disengaging your audience .
Lovin’ your work!
It’s a bad album, imho. The remix absolved it of certain sins, but it couldn’t help with the fact that Dogs of War and One Slip are just badly written (or really, barely written) songs, or the fact that side 2 seems to be wandering aimlessly in search of a concept. Still, it’s better in my view than either Division Bell or Final Cut, for different reasons, and the tour was spectacular. Also, the forgery factor bothers me a lot less than it would have if Waters was able to put together a single decent solo record. Since he can’t seem to do so, the best we can hope for is forgery by Committee if we’re to get a tour. For me, that was worth it.
I liked this album from the beginning, still do. Dave's solo on the turning away, glorious.
It was a necessary pendulum shift reaction to The Final Cut. It enabled the band to course-correct with The Division Bell.
I hope you bring the same vitriol for 80s production to your "is it really that bad?" for Radio KAOS.
Yes I should do it
I absolutely love this album. Not my all-time favorite but much maligned. Probably top 6 or 7. I could and did listen to this all the time.
How do you feel about NSync?? Very similar stuff.
I've always had a real soft spot for this one. On my channel (Amity Tracks), I did an episode awhile ago called "Albums I Love That I'm Not Supposed To," and this was one of the albums I featured. Maybe because I've always been more Team Gilmour than Team Waters, but also it was my introduction to Pink Floyd. I think "Learning to Fly" is still an excellent single, and "On the Turning Away" and "Yet Another Movie" are both excellent. True, "Dogs of War" is dog of a song. But overall I really like this album, and the remix really improves some of the worst 80s production excesses.
Well it is one of my favorite Pink Floyd Albums, as it contains very good tracks: Learning to Fly, Sorrow, On the turning Away, Yet another Movie... The live versions of the neu songs on Delicate Sound of Thunder sond more powerful than the versions on the album.
YES it is that bad. I was 13 years old when it was released and I knew even then. I stuck to my tape copies of Relics, A Nice Pair, and Meddle and discovered Animals instead with my $10 in 1987. Still don't own a copy of AMLOR and never will. Love the track "Sorrow" though.
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts. At the point where Waters exited the band, his ego was such that he truly believed that Pink Floyd should not exist without him, and so the legal battles ensued. Wright, Mason and Gilmore had every legitimate right to continue on as Pink Floyd without Waters (whether he liked it or not). I saw them live during their Delicate Sound of Thunder tour in 1988 and they were still phenomenal.
I consider MLOR as the most impressive album of Pink Floyd. At the time, everyone thought the band was past gone and dead, we all were listening other bands, and suddenly "Momentary laps of reasons" cames unexpected from nowhere. For me, one of the best albums of all time, powerful modern and fresh, maybe the the golden end of a symphonic prog rock era. After that, any album of any band isn't good enough...
It's a hell of a lot better and more Floyd than The Final Cut, which really was all it needed to be at that point.
I always took AMLOR on face value and quite liked it, but after watching this vid I decided to listen to the remix, which I hadn't known about. Glad I did, because you're right, the addition of Rick's 'live' keyboards, some actual Mason drumming and the 'back to basics' sound revolutionises this album. I always liked Gilmour's logic, though, about making it, the fact that the latter era Floyd had become simply a sounding board for Waters' increasingly alienating bleatings. I was ever a fan of the earlier Floyd ethic, that the music was equally as important as the lyrics. You do some good stuff here, I have to say! Incidentally, entirely disconnected from this, I've listened again for the first time in decades to the Who's Tommy this past couple of nights, and I'd quite forgotten how amazing that first release was (probably one of the best album covers in musical history too). It's in essence prog music, and I'd never really thought of it as such before. Maybe do a post about that some time! 😉
I really enjoy this album and the 2019 remix just uplifts this album tenfold. I bought the blu ray audio and the 5.1 mix is nuts. Beautiful melancholy music.
I wished they expanded on/stretched out Terminal Frost and more like this throughout.
Then again, maybe it needed some concept and more instrumental adventures.
I absolutely love the whole sequence of the end part of Yet another movie/A new machine, part 1/Terminal Frost/A new machine, part 2.
Great review. This album for me resurrected the Floyd name from the depressing abyss of The Final Cut - for all intents & purposes a Waters solo album with a Pink Floyd banner. While I get this indeed seemed like a Gilmour solo project (with a PF banner!), it had elements of the Floyd sound & feel that made me happy! Sorrow has always been the standout for me - that guitar sound is otherworldly! On The Turning Away, be it a proper Floyd sound or not, is a beautiful track, and I agree on the Yet Another Movie viewpoint. I personally love the New Machine/Terminal Frost trifecta. As a child of the 80's, the sound production doesn't really bother me - it does make it a product of the time.
Is this a perfect album? No. Is this a proper Floyd album? No - we haven't seen that since Animals. But I like it all the same, 'band' name be damned!
On the Turning away is still my favorite Floyd song
I was sixteen when this came out and absolutely loved it bearing in mind I had by then fully absorbed Dark Side, Wish You Were Here and Animals (the three albums my elder brother had).
I think the take away here is that one is either equipped to embrace the truths about the 80s digital aesthetic or one is not.
My brother didn’t care for it at all and was listening to Radio K.A.O.S instead.
I think everything you said is spot on yet I still love it.
Please consider doing ‘Brother Where You Bound?’ by Supertramp (another maligned release from a recently divorced band).
I like this album. And we get to keep hearing from Roger telling us how great he is!! 😳😳😳👏👏👏👏
IMO Sorrow grew with the years. The various live versions of Sorrow got better when it was performed live in 87-89 and especially 94. Later the track was growing further on Gilmour tours.
I actually quite like this one: it, for me, well represented then, and now, where the Floyd might've been had Rogers incessant storytelling not become the focus of everything they did.
It's like they kicked back and said ' let's just do some songs ' instead of let's have an album that makes A STATEMENT.
of course, it wouldn't be as Pink Floyd if they still didn't bring a POV even to individual songs...and so we get an album that is generally reflective of where they feel humanity is at that moment.
It's an album, a set of songs, definitively placed in the Reagan/Thatcher era and those reflections are indicative of where a 60s/70s forward thinker might see us having slid back into, no different than as on Waters Radio KAOS but maybe a wee bit more subtle.
Yes, it's a bit of a dated piece...but so are half the really good albums from any era: it happens...baby meet bathwater.
I somehow hadn't noticed there was a remix...will have to keep an eye out for that.
Still, always thought provoking, this...even tho I might not agree with your assessment, it's great to hear some serious thoughts on it all.
This album, now mostly the re-mixed version, and Dark Side of the Moon are my go to Pink Floyd albums (and I do have the full set of Floyd and solo studio albums to pick from). For me anyway, this album just "works". The re-mixed and extended live Delicate SoundvofvThunder set that followed is also fabulous with the tracks from this album working well in a live setting .... p.s. I gave the Final Cut yet another go after your recent video ... I still don't get it .... and I did buy it on its release .... p.p.s. I do like these short 'n' snappy but thought provoking videos ... Cheers .... CMcG, Aberdeen, Scotland
Great review as always, thank you!
My pleasure!
Loved the complete songs, could not stand the dot matrix printer and "BINGO!!!" Noises. However, Momentary Lapse of Reason has my favorite Floyd Album intro in "Signs of Life."
Thanks. I was not aware of the remix, and now I've ordered a copy, expecting it to sound a little more like a Pink Floyd album. Perhaps it was originally more of a DG solo album, credited to PF largely for marketing purposes.
Its interesting to read differing opinions on these post-Wall Pink Floyd albums. Personally I think important elements are missing from all post-Animals/Wall Pink Floyd albums for different reasons.
Good review as always. Tend to agree and think it sounded better live. Though I came to like it more over the years.
Yeah I agree
I'm always struck by those who suggest Roger was lyrics (and concept) and David was music. True, Gilmour fleshed them out and gave them their finally produced sound I guess but has nobody heard the original demos of DSOTM and The Wall where it's clear that Roger came up with the fundamentals of many of the songs - riffs, melody, chord progressions, harmony.
Yet Another Movie, is one of favorites as well!
This one turned out to be super-nostalgic for me, ie. born in late 1979 it really brings back a lot of childhood memories (especially 'Terminal Frost' and all of the Roland D-50'ish sounds throughout). It actually struck me as more 80's nostalgic than the first album I ever bought in 3rd grade - Def Leppard's Hysteria.
Everyone keeps talking about David and Roger, but Richard Wright and Nick was a leading contributor to the Floyd success after the leaving of Roger, I asked my friend about Roger and he said I can’t tell the difference
Another appropriate review. Cheers to you sir.
Absolutely could not have been said better from start to finish!
And yet another gem...
I'm going to use that "boiled his piss" line on my wife in the morning. She loathes it when I announce translations of English words into French or Spanish. She also cannot accept my genuine appreciation and adoration of Kate Bush all these years.
So, for either of those situations, I will heretofore be "boiling Cathy's piss!"
Thanks for another winner! 🏆
Bought this the day it came out . I would pop it in the ole walkman, hop on my 86’ Kawasaki 600 ninja and ride . I eventually wore the first cassette out. Any song off this will instantly bring me back to specific moments in time that always make me smile .
Although I liked the original version of Momentary Lapse, it’s pretty much The David Gilmour Show. Lots of session players, and Nick Mason and Richard Wright are hardly on it. But the new remix….wow, it’s a whole new album. It *sounds* like Pink Floyd, with Nick and Rick back in the fold. Great new drum parts from Nick, and I guess Rick’s keyboard parts are dropped in from live recordings, but he sounds great as well. And of course, David’s guitar and vocals are stronger on the remixed version as well. Is Momentary Lapse the Floyd’s greatest album? No, but I must admit the new remixed version of the album is a major improvement, and I think it’s awesome. For me, Pink Floyd elevated Momentary Lapse from good to great. 😊
Gilmour has stated that there is no concept connecting the songs of "A Momentary Lapes of Reason," and Storm Thorgerson's artwork can be literally translated to "a stream of consciousness." I personally have found that there is a commonality shared by most of the songs... "regret."
I’ve always loved this album. Partly because I like the music. Don’t care if it’s “traditional” Floyd or not, Waters, Gilmour, whatever. I just like it for what it is. But mostly I like it because it takes me back to a time in life when I was young, when things were simple. When I still had a future to look forward to.
A double edged sword-not what us Floydians appreciated,and I agree with your synopsis of this 'over produced' album,however,it got the younger crew listening on its initial release,especially in America,and gave Floyd a pedestal to go out on tour and cement their well earned foundations of being one of the great live acts in music
Yet another movie IS real Floyd whilst Signs of Life harks back to the long intro days of Floyd and was a great opener in traditional sounds with the combined tranquility of Gilmour an Wright,encompassed with a great visual experience on 'The Screen'
I do like One Slip live as a more 'poppy' allude to The Walls 'Young Lust', especially as it gives Mark Brickman a real blitz in the amazing array of lights an lasers they had in their cannon on the tour
Not the best of Floyd,and I agree the remix is comfort to the ears,but at the time with a band in the depths of legal lawsuits,egotistical battles,and their legacy being swept away to sea,sometimes you have to look in the mirror,make your bed and take a decision before the Dogs of War and men of hate lay down a Terminal Frost
Album cover is MORE Floyd than most of the songs!!
Cheers for this excellent channel you present-aye,will keep listening! 🎶
A friend of mine commandeered the 6th form stereo back in around 1988, putting The Delicate Sound of Thunder on repeat. It was the first time I’d ever heard of Pink Floyd, and I loved it. Like many commenters here, Momentary Lapse was their first introduction to Floyd, so I didn’t have any “authentic Floyd” frame of reference.
High points for me are the chainsaw guitar at the start of Sorrow (as well as the gorgeous vocal interlude half-way through), the menacing Yet Another Movie, and Learning To Fly. Side 1 is a bit “meh” though in general.
And to think , Storm Thorgerson ordered hundreds of beds that were laid out on the beach for that photo shoot. ..yet he created the simplest of designs for the best Floyd album … go figure !
And that beach was in Croyde, N Devon.
I have always respected your articulate dissection of the subjects you've covered and have left my judgement to coincide with my taste without comment. I don't think I'll restrain on this occasion. I think the dynamics both professionally and interpersonally that form the the decision to continue in spite of Roger Waters' decision to leave were not only admirable on David Gilmore's part, but produced a body of work that reflected a different vista other than the "cynical sneering'` that had dominated the previous three albums. This is not a qualitative. differentiation, just a different direction. Appreciate it for what it is, not castigate it for being different.
I castigate it for two reasons - the horrible 80s production tropes on the original mix, and it is a Pink Floyd album in name only. Although, thesse issues have now been resolved with the 2019 mix
@@classicalbum The real rub for me is that people like Roger Waters asserting that they are the real Pink Floyd while downplaying the contributions of the other members contribution to "creating" the Pink Floyd sound. The technical issues you highlight do step beyond my comprehension as I do fully appreciate songs like "Learning to Fly" or "The Turning Away". It is the conceit that minimizes collaboration that I see so many bands make. It creates an unfair disbursement of acknowledgement and profit for the enterprise the cripples progress through jealousy and
self importance. But then again I've always had socialist tendencies. Keep up the great work.
I can still remember driving to school and hearing Learning to Fly on the radio and just going crazy. I went and bought the tape and played it all the time. All my friends loved it too.
I only heard that people didn't like it much later through youtube.
This got me into Pink Floyd and I have been a huge fan ever since. AMLoR is still awesome and I even enjoy the remix.
I've never thought of this as a bad album. Certainly like it better than The Final Cut or Roger Waters solo stuff that I had heard thus far. "On The Turning Away" "Sorrow" & "One Slip" being my favorites from the album.
Interesting review (as always!) I disagree that the 1987 version is "unlistenable"; but I agree entirely that the 2019 version is a HUGE improvement.
Not in your top ten? That means in the bottom five!
OK. You obviously like the early stuff much more than I do. Sure, they all have single songs that I like and play (usually in live versions anyway); the earliest album I ever play in its entirety is "Meddle". "Obscured by Clouds"? Not so much. But then every one of them since. Even "The Final Cut" because much as I dislike what Mr Waters has become, his lyrics are amazing.
Since you mentioned Learning to Fly sounding like Mike & The Mechanics, the second drummer on Pulse is Gary Wallis from Mike & The Mechanics. Particularly featured during Learning To Fly live. Seems deliberate.
I like this album a lot. Especially Side One of the original LP. I like this even more than the follow up, "The Division Bell".
Cattle Grazed (Grazes) On was what Blackmore described the Battle Rages On as by Purple
It was... I should have given him a credit for it.
@@classicalbum sorry man I wasn’t trying to be a smartarse or anything. Absolutely love your content. It’s put me on to some really great music. Thanks.
"Yet Another Movie" is a fucking masterpiece
I'm a fan that got hooked by this album in particular on the turning away. But, I also love the final cut. I love the albums and phases they shifted through. I often wonder how the final cut would have ended up if waters hadn't pushed the others away. Gilmour would have been more invested in it personally etc. But, it is history and as an observer and fan of it, it is what it is and I enjoy it all.
If this was released by another band it would be regarded as a great album. But as it's Pink Floyd we compare. And the 70s stuff has some of the best albums ever made so not really fair to compare as few albums would stack up to that. What constitutes a classic album anyway. The Final Cut was a piss poor album and the collaboration between Waters and Gilmour had run it's course. If he still would have been with the band this album would never have been. For myself I enjoy this album a lot. Even though the 70s stuff is the best for me, doesn't mean I can't enjoy this album for what it is and some of these songs played live are just magnificent and the lyrics for some are pretty good.
Discovered AMLOR before I new of the beef with Waters (I think that does make quite a difference). It's probably in my top 5 albums of all time and I actually quite like the 80's sound to it however the production is a bit sketchy at points. In total agreement though regarding Yet Another Movie, I remember listening to it at University for the first time in 2012 and it blew my socks off.
Out of curiosity, sounds like you're not wild about a lot of the 80's production styles, do you have similar thoughts about the 80's King Crimson trilogy - ie. Discipline, Beat, and Three of a Perfect Pair?
It's been a while since I listened.
As ever, good and solid points well made. It’s been many years since I listened to this one. My recall of it was that lyrically it was lacking any sort of punchy wordsmithing or particularly memorable ideas, while musically it was like what pastel is to color…to me, it was muted and bland. This of course is in comparison with what had come before. Compared to most pop drivel or attempts at high concepts, it’s okay stuff. I just expected better. I have not heard the remix. I suppose I’ll have to get to it before I soon get too old to give a shit.
Not sure if I'm unusual, but I've been listening to Floyd for over 40 years, and I've never heard it.
A really cool album cover. For me it's a record that contains some great tracks. But similar to an average movie with a few really good scenes in it. I watched your review of The Final Cut the other day. I'm my onion not only the greatest Floyd album but THE greatest album of all time.
I always called this the "Mister Mister" version of Pink Floyd… a product of its time. The 2019 version is an improvement, though it still misses Rick Wright's vocal contribution.
I absolutely love it, songs like Sorrow, Learning To Fly and On The Turning Away still give me chills to this day. I've always been a bigger Dave fan than Roger. Division Bell is great too.
Dave shouldn’t be allowed to play songs written (music and words) by Waters like Money, Brick 2. You know, the biggest hits. He should stick with Yet another Movie and The Never Ending Crap River.
He shouldn't play a song he sang lead vocals on? That makes no sense.
Yeah Roger keep complaining about hearing his concerts having two thousand people and Pink Floyd having twenty thousand. Oh Well
@@bradking6126 yet music isnt just lyrics, david gilmour, richard wright, and nick mason made lyrics into music making them songs equally theirs. Without the music behind those lyrics you are listening to an audio book
I didnt know about the remix. I'll have to ck it out. I was happy at the time when PF put this out, the world needed this band in whatever compromised condition.
I actually like this album as opposed to Roger’s Magnum Crappus The Final Cut.
lol hell of a lot better than anything with syd or pre meddle/obscured by clouds.
The 2019 MLOR remix makes this record one of their best.
I think its very good bar 'The dogs of war' - the thing with the 2019 mix is, its been changed ALOT its more than a re-mix they'e adjusted the drums and put in keyboard parts and other bits here and there - i didnt agree with that......anyone can go back and adjust things like that and polish it up and present it that way trying to forget and dismiss the original. I only ever listen to the original. Thats how i experienced it first time round and thats how it was/is......
Absolutely love A momentary Lapse of Reason ❤
i love the remaster of this album. its more timeless and u hear nick mason and rick wright actually play. its fantastic. and a classic
I like the 2019 remix as well
It’s brilliant. Driving with it blaring out of my radio cassette player was a feature of my mid 20s.
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"Time makes two" is one of my all-time favorite songs.
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I loved it in the 80s and 90s, but yes it sounds very dated now and I was just a kid back then. Most of the songs are pretty ordinary. Lyrically it's a huge step down. I think Roger was right. It is a clever forgery. The Division Bell is better musically. High Hopes is one of the best things they've ever done, but again, its weak point is its lyrics, particularly the verses. But musically, that combination of Dave and Rick brings something special to it. I think Animals is the high water mark for their career. That album is perfect. Even though most of it was written by Roger, the whole band is still contributing. That electric piano opening to Sheep by Rick comes to mind. That soaring guitar solo by Dave on Pigs at the end is incredible too
I was once asked by a workmate what was my favourite Floyd album. I said, there's two. Peeking his interest, I said Momentary Lapse first. He listened to my reasoning and mostly agreed. Secondly I said Dark Side at which point he kicked off about predictability. I pointed him back to my first choice, and then asked why so many people liked Dark Side? Backed into a corner he accepted the choices. Both Quality, but Momentary Lapse is a joy for me, far more so than the Wall or Final Cut. I still listen to them, just not so much. The remix seems to loose too much in the reworking, I feel it is missing many touches that made the first so good.
" A Pretty Fair Forgery" - title given by Rog, handwritten on the cassette tape sticker of the album copy
I think it's a great album. I like both versions equally - the 1987 version and the 2019 version. It's a much more positive album than The Final Cut.
DSOTM WYWH, Animals, TW certainly my top 4 Floyd albums After that DB and then this one, MLOR. One Slip is a great song , as someone who has been divorced it hits home. Yet Another Movie,one of their best bit ANew Machine 1&2 and Terminal Frost are immense. Having said that my top 2 tracks are On The Turning Away , ( very moving) and Sorrow Ranks amongst my all time favourite Floyd songs, though I haven't done a list. Yes the original does a have a somewhat dated feel and I agree with everything you said about the newer version.
As a fan of those 80s sounds; gated drums, cinematic effects, etc I absolutely LOVE MLOR. Yet Another Movie is my favorite song by any band.