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I love that this looks beyond the initial contradiction, since relativists now readily accept that they claim the only absolute truth is that there are no absolute truths. Useful points for discussion, thank you!
Some people, called ‘relativists’, would answer Pilate’s question 'What is truth?' by saying that each person decides what is true for them. Jesus claims he is true-for-everyone and not just true-for-me. What could a thoughtful person say in response? If my belief is only true for me, then why isn’t your belief only true for you? Aren’t you saying you want me to believe the same thing you do? You say that no belief is true for everyone, but you want everyone to believe what you do. You’re making universal claims that relativism is true and absolutism is false. You can’t in the same breath say, ‘Nothing is universally true’ and ‘My view is universally true.’ Relativism falsifies itself. It claims there is one position that is true - relativism! You’re applying your view to everyone but yourself. You expect others to believe your views (the ‘self-excepting fallacy’). Paul Copan reveals the key fallacies 'relativists' use all the time. Also read John 14:6 and 15:5 in the Bible - Jesus is absolute truth. Jesus Christ is Lord. Amen
You built a really good straw man there. Here is a thoughtful response--try actually listening to others or performing research on the opinions of others before depicting ideas no-one holds. Who is claiming "that each person decides what is true for them"? Name one person in public life.
What is it about Men and Women that make then equal? Can they preform the exact same? What does equal mean? What is truth? Is equal in that context true? If your truth is true and my truth is true either one of us is wrong or neither of us are right. If you aren't asking these questions you may not be thinking at all.
I respectfully disagree. I believe God gave us amazing brains and intellect in order to reason. I am walking with the Lord because I got answers to all my "intellectual" questions and discovered God did not expect me to put my brain on a shelf. You are correct. He is the only way. And it is through even reason that we end up at that very logical conclusion.
I strongly agree that Relativism and Subjectivism lead to Arrogance. The thinking goes like this: “we shouldn’t disagree because we both think we are right.” As a result the relativist takes the view that disagreeing leads to fighting and conflict therefore, passively aggressively he takes the view that everyone is Right in their own eyes (never wrong) in order to avoid conflict. Seems like a peaceful utopian idea but this view is false. People may think this way but they never act this way.
Is the statement "suffer not a woman to teach" a relative statement or an ironic statement? Is "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." an absolute commandment or a commandment for a fantasy world?
I think the whole point of "suffer not a woman to teach" is that no one should try to dominate in a church. It's not necessarily saying that women can't teach in a church but it's more of a contextual thing. Christians do sometimes dominate in a church but it's not the original design. Christ is the head of the Church. We had the same question come up in our church and that was the conclusion we came to. Also, looking at the context of that particular scripture may help.
@@truthseeker2275 Not really trying to add my own opinions here. Just looking at scripture as a whole. Also, looking at the scripture in context is important.
@@truthseeker2275 You've also got to remember that this particular scripture is talking about false teachers in the church and may very well be referring to a particular situation. Read the whole chapter and see how it relates to the rest of the book, then the New Testament, then the rest of the bible. If you want exegesis then you've got to look at the scriptures as a whole. I seriously doubt that God doesn't want women speaking in the church as in later letters Paul encourages women to give their opinions.
@@mementomori1022 It is an ironic comment, she claims that relativism is self-contradictory, but then she would have to use relativism to justify her teaching us that relativism is self-contradictory because she is forbidden to do so :"suffer not a woman to teach" a relative statement ..just like the very first reply to my comment. Exegesis is eisegesis-relativism. The verse is quite clear only through using relativism can you read into it the meaning you would like.
There's no "X is true for me while Y is true for you" if we're talking about truth claims that relate to the reality outside our minds. "This chair is blue for me while it's red for you" makes no sense, does it now? It's the same with religion and the Islam-Christianity example you gave us just as nonsensical. These religions make different claims about reality. Claims that contradict each other. That means that at least one of them is false. We may disagree and respect each other - that's fine and I would go as far as saying that it's preferable. However, we do not have to respect each other's believes. In fact, we should criticize and examine them in order to see which are valid and which are invalid.
Relativism doesn't contradict itself, understood properly. Relativists are not making absolute truth claims. While relativism does present potential problems, so does Christian belief.
Relativism is not an absolute because it is about metaethics, not ethics. It's NOT an inquiry about what is right and wrong but how we "discover" what is right and wrong and the meaning of right and wrong. It's not normative. This woman has no idea what she's talking about.
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"We respect each other far more if we are willing to disagree "
I love that this looks beyond the initial contradiction, since relativists now readily accept that they claim the only absolute truth is that there are no absolute truths. Useful points for discussion, thank you!
Absolutely! Thanks for uploading.
Some people, called ‘relativists’, would answer Pilate’s question 'What is truth?' by saying that each person decides what is true for them. Jesus claims he is true-for-everyone and not just true-for-me.
What could a thoughtful person say in response?
If my belief is only true for me, then why isn’t your belief only true for you? Aren’t you saying you want me to believe the same thing you do?
You say that no belief is true for everyone, but you want everyone to believe what you do.
You’re making universal claims that relativism is true and absolutism is false. You can’t in the same breath say, ‘Nothing is universally true’ and ‘My view is universally true.’ Relativism falsifies itself. It claims there is one position that is true - relativism!
You’re applying your view to everyone but yourself. You expect others to believe your views (the ‘self-excepting fallacy’).
Paul Copan reveals the key fallacies 'relativists' use all the time. Also read John 14:6 and 15:5 in the Bible - Jesus is absolute truth.
Jesus Christ is Lord. Amen
You built a really good straw man there. Here is a thoughtful response--try actually listening to others or performing research on the opinions of others before depicting ideas no-one holds. Who is claiming "that each person decides what is true for them"? Name one person in public life.
I agree
What is it about Men and Women that make then equal? Can they preform the exact same? What does equal mean? What is truth? Is equal in that context true?
If your truth is true and my truth is true either one of us is wrong or neither of us are right.
If you aren't asking these questions you may not be thinking at all.
Pride leads us to intellectual debates. JESUS made it very clear. John 14:6 HE is THE ONLY WAY
I respectfully disagree. I believe God gave us amazing brains and intellect in order to reason. I am walking with the Lord because I got answers to all my "intellectual" questions and discovered God did not expect me to put my brain on a shelf. You are correct. He is the only way. And it is through even reason that we end up at that very logical conclusion.
Nice to see God wants blind thoughtless followers 👍🏼
I wonder what theologians think of Thomas Hobbes and his Social Contract Theory?
I strongly agree that Relativism and Subjectivism lead to Arrogance. The thinking goes like this: “we shouldn’t disagree because we both think we are right.” As a result the relativist takes the view that disagreeing leads to fighting and conflict therefore, passively aggressively he takes the view that everyone is Right in their own eyes (never wrong) in order to avoid conflict. Seems like a peaceful utopian idea but this view is false. People may think this way but they never act this way.
HUH
Is the statement "suffer not a woman to teach" a relative statement or an ironic statement? Is "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." an absolute commandment or a commandment for a fantasy world?
I think the whole point of "suffer not a woman to teach" is that no one should try to dominate in a church. It's not necessarily saying that women can't teach in a church but it's more of a contextual thing. Christians do sometimes dominate in a church but it's not the original design. Christ is the head of the Church. We had the same question come up in our church and that was the conclusion we came to. Also, looking at the context of that particular scripture may help.
@@mryes8 "I think the whole point of X is that no one should try to dominate in a church" - Eisegesis much?
@@truthseeker2275 Not really trying to add my own opinions here. Just looking at scripture as a whole. Also, looking at the scripture in context is important.
@@truthseeker2275 You've also got to remember that this particular scripture is talking about false teachers in the church and may very well be referring to a particular situation. Read the whole chapter and see how it relates to the rest of the book, then the New Testament, then the rest of the bible. If you want exegesis then you've got to look at the scriptures as a whole. I seriously doubt that God doesn't want women speaking in the church as in later letters Paul encourages women to give their opinions.
@@mementomori1022 It is an ironic comment, she claims that relativism is self-contradictory, but then she would have to use relativism to justify her teaching us that relativism is self-contradictory because she is forbidden to do so :"suffer not a woman to teach" a relative statement ..just like the very first reply to my comment. Exegesis is eisegesis-relativism. The verse is quite clear only through using relativism can you read into it the meaning you would like.
There's no "X is true for me while Y is true for you" if we're talking about truth claims that relate to the reality outside our minds. "This chair is blue for me while it's red for you" makes no sense, does it now? It's the same with religion and the Islam-Christianity example you gave us just as nonsensical. These religions make different claims about reality. Claims that contradict each other. That means that at least one of them is false. We may disagree and respect each other - that's fine and I would go as far as saying that it's preferable. However, we do not have to respect each other's believes. In fact, we should criticize and examine them in order to see which are valid and which are invalid.
Relativism doesn't contradict itself, understood properly. Relativists are not making absolute truth claims.
While relativism does present potential problems, so does Christian belief.
That’s just your truth
@Lëê Yō Skepticism of metanaratives is a more modest stance than claiming absolute truth.
THANK YOU
@@mementomori1022 Except actual "relavitivsts" make no such claim. Being non-dogmatic is not in itself dogmatism.
@@mementomori1022 Believing in truth is different from dogmatically asserting that ones understanding of truth is the only possible one.
Relativism is not an absolute because it is about metaethics, not ethics. It's NOT an inquiry about what is right and wrong but how we "discover" what is right and wrong and the meaning of right and wrong. It's not normative. This woman has no idea what she's talking about.